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towelie, (edited ) do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Already did and it’s glorious! Steam works beautifully and the only final thing that I’m missing is Adobe products.

I recommend, if you want to try Linux, that you try out the ‘Debian’ distribution, and use the ‘KDE Plasma’ desktop environment. It makes for a very Windows-like experience and really assisted me with the transition between OSs.

kuneho,
@kuneho@lemmy.world avatar

for newcomers, maybe this is the best combo. Debian stable with KDE Plasma.

jimerson,
@jimerson@lemmy.world avatar

Unless you’re using NVIDIA. Didn’t work out of the box for me and required a couple hours of fiddling. Mint worked seamlessly.

Monstrosity, (edited )
@Monstrosity@lemm.ee avatar

PopOS (scroll down to the “Pop_OS with Nvidia” link).

It is tailored for Nvidia cards, is Debian(Ubuntu) based, & super friendly for new users.

EDIT: Here’s a link to the 24.04 release that provides only the Cosmic desktop environment (no X11, no gnome or kde). This is what I use, but it’s in alpha so user beware.

DogWater,

Saving this.

Aphelion,

Manjaro with KDE Plasma has been working pretty flawlessly with an nvidia card for me.

skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Wrangling my Nvidia drivers into Mint also took a couple hours for me but I haven’t had problems afterward

Matriks404,

That’s weird. It worked for me just fine. I have GTX 1060 3GB.

metaldream,

Debian is not a good choice for beginners. It’s extremely bare bones compared to Ubuntu or Mint.

Drivers on Debian stable are also heavily outdated

Matriks404,

Drivers being outdated is not a big deal, unless you use recent hardware, then it might make sense to make a jump to current testing release (trixie), or just stay on testing indefinitely.

Also it being “barebones” is a good thing in my eyes, since I can configure it how I want.

metaldream,

It’s definitely a good thing if you’re interested and knowledgeable enough to build what you want. I was just arguing it’s not the best choice for a casual user because a lot things they’ll want won’t work out of the box.

Even updating to the next stable Debian version requires editing system files and running the command line.

Drivers can matter quite a bit if for example you’re on an Nvidia card and the Debian drivers are 2 years old. It happened to me and caused dlss to not work in some games. And with Nvidia you can’t just move to testing, you need to backport the driversc and that’s quite involved.

I run a Debian server and it’s amazing for that.

Matriks404,

I definitely agree with most of the points but I don’t get what do you mean that you can’t move to testing, because that’s what I literally did recently by upgrading from bookworm to trixie with no issues whatsoever and I have Nvidia card, although older one (GTX 1060 3GB).

metaldream,

When I tried it, testing was on the same version of Nvidia drivers as stable so it didn’t solve my problem. It was possible to manually backport them, but it wasn’t straightforward to do.

Cris16228,

and the only final thing that I’m missing is Adobe products.

I miss Affinity Designer! Bought a license and I like it but no linux port 🙄

I can’t get used Inkscape, it’s so different and confusing for me

towelie,

Have you ever seen how to draw a circle in GIMP?

Monstrosity,
@Monstrosity@lemm.ee avatar

Krita > Gimp

tauren,

Krita and GIMP are tools for different use cases.

Monstrosity,
@Monstrosity@lemm.ee avatar

On a more professional/advanced level I agree.

But for average users, they accomplish 90% identical tasks, but Krita, while less mature, is more intuitively designed (superiorly designed I would argue), and uses better algorithms for things like select & fill.

Also Krita is less ugly. Sorry, I’m notoriously shallow.

Cris16228,

I hate you :c that was… Disturbing

Yoga,

I think torrenting a copy of Photoshop would be faster than drawing a circle in GIMP

A_Union_of_Kobolds,

I went with Mint but I’m thinking about KDE (or maybe KDE flavored Arch? Idk I’m new) on my second computer. Pretty painless?

towelie,

So Mint is the ‘distro’, which is actually based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian. In simple terms, a distro is a bundle of programs and configurations assembled for you. Basically, Debian is a stripped down version of Mint.

A ‘desktop environment’ is a separate program(?) that changes what your desktop looks like, and they can be downloaded on any distro. So you can try out KDE Plasma on your Mint installation! The one that you’re likely using right now is called ‘Cinnamon’, which I personally didn’t like and turned me off of Linux my first time trying to switch over years ago.

Something cool about KDE Plasma is that you can download themes and make your desktop environments look really cool. For instance, sometimes I like to rock this Windows 7 theme: www.pling.com/p/2142957/

Damage,

Eh Arch can be quite stable if you’re careful, but it could also be a frustrating experience, there’s lots of manual configuration

Aphelion, (edited )

I went to Manjaro (Arch) with KDE from Mint about 5 months ago, and it’s been nearly flawless, allowed me to easily install a real time processing kernel for audio production, and it’s run every game I’ve thrown at it performs better than Winblows.

A_Union_of_Kobolds,

Yeah Manjaro + KDE is kinda what I was thinking, thanks!

Nednarb44,

I would recommend endeavor os with plasma instead honestly. Its a similar setup, but you won’t have to deal with manjaro holding back updates.

A_Union_of_Kobolds,

Oh okay! Thanks, that’s helpful. So EndeavorOS has pretty frequent updates then? I’m ngl since switching I look forward to them, which is funny! It’s like “oh cool my computer got better and also new toys instead of worse and more bloated!”

Ahh I should’ve done this years ago but better late than never

Nednarb44,

Yeah, it should get updates exactly the same as arch. And I’m the same way, I check for update every time I log in lol. It does feel nice that you’re always up to date

communist,
@communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

Manjaro is legitimately a terrible choice, github.com/arindas/manjarno

I used to give manjaro to a lot of people because i was an arch user and supported a bunch of linux users, it was a massive mistake, arch is just a strictly better version of manjaro, the things manjaro claims to do it doesn’t do well because it’s just kind of hacked onto arch. Let me give you an example of something stupid that manjaro does:

normally, in linux, all packages are upgraded centrally, however, manjaro has decided to make an exception for the kernel, and now the kernel is versioned, and each version upgrades separately… this can result in you being stuck with an ancient kernel. I had to go into peoples computers, boot into a console, manually swap out the kernel, and put on the latest one, because the updater wouldn’t update due to the newest drivers being incompatible with the old kernel.

This happened enough times, that and the concerns raised in manjarno make me think it really isn’t for anyone. The team is laughably incompetent (they can’t even get their certs sorted out? really?) and you don’t want an incompetent team running your desktop.

If you’re enough of an expert to fix these things… just use arch, it’s strictly better. If you don’t know what you’re doing, an arch based distro is a terrible choice and you should go with bazzite.

I’m willing to troubleshoot infinitely over matrix for free and have 15 years of experience, feel free to message me!

A_Union_of_Kobolds,

Very helpful, thank you!

communist,
@communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

Manjaro is legitimately a terrible choice and should not be recommended, github.com/arindas/manjarno

If it works for you, that’s great, but you’re lucky so far and it’s a ticking timebomb.

I used to give manjaro to a lot of people because i was an arch user and supported a bunch of linux users, it was a massive mistake, arch is just a strictly better version of manjaro, the things manjaro claims to do it doesn’t do well because it’s just kind of hacked onto arch. Let me give you an example of something stupid that manjaro does:

normally, in linux, all packages are upgraded centrally, however, manjaro has decided to make an exception for the kernel, and now the kernel is versioned, and each version upgrades separately… this can result in you being stuck with an ancient kernel. I had to go into peoples computers, boot into a console, manually swap out the kernel, and put on the latest one, because the updater wouldn’t update due to the newest drivers being incompatible with the old kernel.

This happened enough times, that and the concerns raised in manjarno make me think it really isn’t for anyone. The team is laughably incompetent (they can’t even get their certs sorted out? really?) and you don’t want an incompetent team running your desktop.

If you’re enough of an expert to fix these things… just use arch, it’s strictly better. If you don’t know what you’re doing, an arch based distro is a terrible choice and you should go with bazzite.

communist,
@communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.

I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.

The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).

How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.

Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.

Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.

I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.

merc,
@merc@sh.itjust.works avatar

I completely disagree. Debian is not beginner-friendly. Go with Bazzite if your focus is gaming.

It is a gaming-focused distribution. It’s also an “atomic” distribution, which basically means it’s really hard to break it. It’s more like Android or IOS where the OS and base system are managed by someone else. They’re read-only so you can’t accidentally break them.

For example, instead of trying to manage your own video card drivers, they come packaged with the base system image, and they’re tested to make sure they work with all the other base components.

I’ve been using Linux since the 1990s, so I’ve run my share of distributions: Slackware, RedHat, Gentoo, Debian, Ubuntu, etc. Even for someone experienced, atomic distributions are great. But, for a newcomer they’re so much better.

towelie, (edited )

I find this interesting as I’m a beginner with only about 3 months of Linux use under my belt, whereas Ive used Windows since I was like 5 years old, and I found Debian to be a really good introduction to Linux. I was originally recommended Mint, like many are, and I found the experience to be a negative one as opposed to my later experience with Debian. (Note I have no experience with Bazzite or any other distros).

The additional ‘bloat’ in Mint obfuscated from me various aspects of Linux. It insulated me from learning how Linux is different from Windows, and that actually hindered me from understanding the OS. By starting with Debian I got a feel for using the CLI, setting up my drivers, package installer, and desktop environment. And, while those aspects can be complicated for new users, i think its somewhat necessary that they get a feel for them if Linux is going to be recommended as their OS.

merc,
@merc@sh.itjust.works avatar

Debian is fine as an introduction to Linux, if that’s what you want. But, as a beginner, you’re going to screw up, and Debian doesn’t do anything to protect you from that.

Atomic distributions let you use Linux but make it harder to shoot yourself in the foot. It’s much harder to break the system in a way you can’t just reboot to fix it.

It all depends on what your goal is. If your goal is to learn Linux by using it, then by all means, go for a traditional distribution. Debian is nice, but I’d go for Ubuntu. But, if your goal is to have a stable system that you can’t screw up as a beginner I’d go with an atomic distribution. If your goal is to play games, Bazzite is hard to beat.

You can still learn Linux if you use an atomic distribution. Configuring and using the desktop environment is basically the same. But, you don’t need to worry about your drivers, and you don’t install packages the traditional way. If you want to learn those things, you can run a VM or a distrobox.

histic,

In what world is a Debian base not beginner friendly my fiancé that could barely use windows is using it just fine

merc,
@merc@sh.itjust.works avatar

Has your fiancé had to update drivers? Has he had to upgrade to a new release? Has he had to figure out how to install a version of something that isn’t in the Debian stable repositories?

If the only application your fiancé uses is Firefox, then he might go a long time before having any kind of problem. It all depends on how he uses it.

histic,

It’s basically a Chromebook for her

merc,
@merc@sh.itjust.works avatar

If it’s a her, you mean fiancée, fiancé is used only for men. And, it’s basically a chromebook in how she uses it. But, chromebooks are designed so that you never have to do any system administration. You never have to upgrade drivers or figure out how to get to the next release.

She probably hasn’t had to deal with that yet, but eventually the system will have to be updated. Over time, cruft piles up and makes it harder and harder to upgrade and manage. Atomic distributions are designed to be much more like chromebooks. Someone else manages the upgrades and the tricky choices, and then you just install their base image.

histic,

Autocorrect on my phone always chooses fiancé for some damn reason but I showed her how to update when I set it up for her and she’s been keeping up with it checking once a week and she’s had a couple questions I’ve had to answer but less then when she was just trying to do basic things on windows so it’s been great for me

merc,
@merc@sh.itjust.works avatar

The thing with autocorrect is that you don’t have to accept the correction.

histic,

Yea iOS does it automatically unless you select it I’m just lazy

metaldream,

Did she set it up herself?

histic,

For the most part

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

How does Bazzite fare when I want to do something a bit different. Install docker, Python, PHP, sqlite, etc. I’d normally just install them, but does this work for Bazzite and other atomic/immutable distros?

merc,
@merc@sh.itjust.works avatar

So, there are multiple ways of installing things. For GUI apps the standard way is flatpaks. Some non-GUI things are installed that way, but it’s less common.

For CLI apps, homebrew is installed by default and it’s recommended as a way to install CLI things.

The method I like for apps that have a lot of interdependencies is to use a distrobox. If you want a development environment where multiple apps all talk to each-other, you can isolate them on their own distrobox and install them however you like there.

I currently have a distrobox running ubuntu that I use for a kubernetes project. In that distrobox I install anything I need with apt, or sometimes from source. Within that kubernetes project I use mise-en-place to manage tools just for that particular sub-project. What I like about doing things this way is that when I’m working on that project I have all the tools I need, and don’t have to worry about the tools for other projects. My base bazzite image is basically unchanged, but my k8s project is highly customized.

If you really want to, you can still install RPMs as overlays to the base system, it’s just not recommended because that slows down upgrades.

More details here:

docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and_Managing_Software/

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Awesome, thanks for the explanation! I’d been put off Bazzite and other immutable distros because I had seen threads saying you basically needed flatpak for everything, but it sounds like that’s not true.

I don’t need a project at the moment but I will give this a go once I am ready for one!

merc,
@merc@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, I only use flatpak for GUI apps that don’t need any special handling. To be fair, that’s a decent number of the things I use most often: Firefox, Thunderbird, Signal, Kodi, Discord, Gimp, VLC. I think it’s also how I installed some themes for KDE / Plasma.

Console stuff I’ve either done in a distrobox using the conventions of that OS (apt for the Ubuntu one, DNF for the Fedora one), or I’ve used homebrew. But, I haven’t used too much homebrew because I want my “normal” console to be as unchanged as possible.

There are a few things I’ve used distrobox-export to make available outside the distrobox.

It took me a little while to understand how you’re supposed to think about the system, but now that I think I get it, I really like it. My one frustration is that there’s an nVidia driver bug that’s affecting me, and nVidia has been unable to fix it for a few months. I think I’d be in exactly the same situation with a traditional distro. The difference is that if they ever fix it, I’ll have to wait a couple of weeks until the fix makes it to the Bazzite stable build. I suppose I could switch to Bazzite testing and get it within days of it being fixed instead of weeks. Apparently just use a “rebase” command and reboot. But, I’m hesitant to do that because other than the nVidia driver, everything’s so stable.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Lucky for me I don’t have any Nvidia so things sail a bit smoother.

Thanks for all the advice 🙂

towerful,

I moved to endeavouros. First time using a rolling release, and I was struggling with some webdev stuff cause node was on a recent non-lts build and a few other things.
Not a problem for building, cause I already have that containerised. But things like installing packages was refusing, and obviously couldn’t run dev workflows.

Until I realised I should just work inside a container.

I know vscode is still Microsoft (and I’m sure I could get it to work with vscodium), but the dev container workflow is fantastic.
Absolute game changer.
And I know I can easily work on a different platform, os whatever. And still have the same dev environment.

merc,
@merc@sh.itjust.works avatar

Until I realised I should just work inside a container.

Yeah, it’s a game changer. Especially if you have different projects on the go. I’m used to having to deal with an ugly path with all kind of random things in it because I need them for one project. But, with containers / distroboxes / toolbx you can keep those changes isolated.

bread,
@bread@feddit.nl avatar

As long as you’re running KDE, it will feel familiar to a Windows user. I started with Kubuntu which was great until I had a system update, and it completely shat itself. Wanted to try Bazzite next, but the installer wouldn’t work properly, so I installed OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, and I’ve seen no reason to switch since.

Creat,

If you’re into primarily gaming, try PikaOS. It’s Debian based and uses the same tooling, but it’s on an optimized kernel. Is generally geared toward gaming.

There are other gaming specific distros of course, this is just the “Debian”-related one. I would not recommend the real debian if you’re mainly into gaming. It’ll need manual intervention and/or optimization to get games running, or at least get them running well. It’s not impossible (it even hard if you’ve got but is Linux experience), but just harder than necessary.

axh,

Not having access to Adobe products is a feature not a bug.

swag_money,

maybe give debian testing a go for a little more up to date software :)

Saucepain,

Outside of Steam, how have you found gaming compatibility? I know Xbox Gamepass doesn’t work as that’s very specifically a Windows app, but how about other standalone games/platforms?

towelie,

Outside of steam will be a case by case basis. I wouldn’t expect a lot of luck, and it may require that you use a compatibility layer like Wine.

ms_lane, do games w How to decide what kind of controller one should purchase?
  • Microsoft has their own controller protocol, xinput, it only works with xbox and PC
  • Sony and Nintendo both use BT HID, but add their own non-standard extras to deal with trackpads and gyros, on PC there are drivers to deal with this (inc. w/Linux kernel, extra on Windows)
  • For Wireless, Sony and Nintendo both use standard Bluetooth, you can pair a Switch or PS4/5 controller straight to a PC (though you will need extra software on Windows)
  • Microsoft uses either their somewhat proprietary 802.11AC implementation (only works with their dongles - you will need extra software on Linux, fully supported in Windows ootb) or standard Bluetooth, their BT has the highest latency of any of the 3 major controllers, but their 5ghz 802.11AC has the lowest. BT mode requires no extra drivers and will work fine ootb on Linux or Windows. You can’t use a headset plugged into the controller or connected by BT (to the controller) if you’re connecting the controller via BT.
  • MS has additional trigger rumbling/tension on the Xbox One/Series controllers, in Windows it will only work with MS Store apps - it won’t work on any Steam game :( on Linux it will work, but nothing really supports it either.
  • Sony has a much better implementation in the PS5 controller, nothing outside Sony published games use it though - but it’s compatible on Windows with additional drivers (DS4Win) (not sure about Linux here)
  • For Nintendo Switch on Windows you will need BetterJoy (previously, BetterJoyForCEMU) to support switch controllers properly, this also makes a DS4Win style gyro server, so anything that support ds4win will support Switch gyro too.
Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah this is a solved problem with a lot of third-party systems though like 8bitdo has, since they just allow you to swap modes. Granted, sometimes it’s a bit wonky since for example the Switch won’t support analogue triggers but eh, it works for everything and everywhere, so I’m happy to have a single pad that has everything anybody can utilize.

xavier666,

If I could award this comment, I would have. Thank you, you answered a lot of my questions!

1Fuji2Taka3Nasubi,

Also, the button layout on switch controllers is different (A & B is swapped compared to XBox). This mostly matters on emulators, although you can remap the buttons, it can get confusing that they don’t match the games’ instructions on screen.

SatyrSack,

X/Y are also swapped.

Doodleschmit,
@Doodleschmit@lemmy.world avatar

This comment is how I always hope my info dumps go when someone asks me a technical question about something I have good experience in using. 10/10 comment, love it.

SatyrSack, (edited )

Sony has a much better [trigger rumbling/tension] implementation in the PS5 controller, nothing outside Sony published games use it though - but it’s compatible on Windows with additional drivers (DS4Win) (not sure about Linux here)

It also does not work wirelessly. The controller itself and its basic rumble obviously do, but you will not experience the fancy haptic features unless the controller is connected via USB.

garretble,
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

How it’s been four years and Sony hasn’t released a dongle to solve this problem is beyond me. Especially now that they are releasing more and more games on pc.

I have my pc in my living room, and while I’d like to just go wireless, I’ve currently decided to compromise with a super long cable just so I can get all the dualsense features.

Hylactor,

I use a ps5 controller on pc and get rumble? Even the weirdo trackpad in the middle works like a cursor.

coriza,

I also have a PS5 controller, as far as I understand, haptic feedback is not humble, it is a resistance in the triggers (L2 and R2) só a game can make pull the trigger be harder of softer depending on the situation.

I don’t know how many or which games uses it seem how many games still does not correctly display PS controller icons and etc and fallback to the MS iconography.

As far as I know haptic and maybe the mic/phone are the only things that does not work over BT. But I also think I read that some things that does work with BT does not work over USB

Hylactor,

Ah, interesting. That sounds pretty negligible, feature wise. Might be fun on a racing game or something I suppose.

Rai,

It’s fucking AMAZING.

I got a Dualsense controller because it looked comfortable. Then Returnal came out and I experienced the haptics and triggers… Absolutely insane. Even the lil controller speaker makes satisfying sounds on a perfect reload, or when you pick up certain things.

You’re right about driving games, though—playing Pacific Drive with it is completely awesome. The triggers vibrate on rough terrain along with the haptics, and the brake trigger feels like you’re actually pressing a car brake down.

I wouldn’t recommend either of those games WITHOUT a PS5 controller after trying it. They would feel so… flat. I’m looking forward to playing more games that support the triggers and haptics.

Rai,

Haptic is different than the adaptive triggers, it’s like a way more 3D rumble. If you have a Dualsense controller, I HEAVILY recommend Returnal if you’d like to really feel the haptics and triggers. It’s AWESOME.

Pacific Drive is another game that takes full advantage of the haptics and triggers. They really being the game to life.

It does need to be plugged in, though.

coriza,

Wow I didn’t know. Do you know if it work Linux the way you described? Even if using USB

ThrowawayPermanente, do gaming w What the fuck do I do now

I expect you to die, Mr Bond

Stamets,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

As with most people online, a funny comment will usually get a quick exhale of breath.

Your comment had me on a 8 second laughing spree, thank you for that

BagOfHeavyStones,

Their reply didn't give me any respiratory variation, but yours gave me a brief snort :)

TurnOnTheSunflower,

I smiled at yours

Coldcell,

18 hours later, someone somewhere is pooping while reading yours.

victorz,

I exhaled at the Bond comment, but this made me giggle and smile from ear to ear. 😂

sundray,

Minefinger.

milicent_bystandr,

He’s the man. The man with the mine-das touch.

Minefinger!

Pretty girl, beware of his numbered tiles: they all are mined!

The truth you won’t find!

Look behind

This square, it’s fine!

Never mind…

sundray,

Bravo!

slazer2au, do games w Does AAAA just mean awful triple A games now?

It’s just a marketing term. Just like AAA is a marketing term meaning we spent more money advertising this product than we spent on development.

PlantJam,

Have any companies besides ubisoft used the term yet?

Aielman15,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

I seem to remember MS claiming they were opening the “first AAAA dev studio” (The Initiative). Since then, the studio has been radio silent, lost a bunch of talent, and needed help from Crystal Dynamics to work on their first game (Perfect Dark reboot).

ms_lane,

iirc Square Enix called Forspoken ‘AAAA’

aciDC14,

Ah, i guess the “A” in “AAA” stands for Advertisement.

quafeinum,
@quafeinum@lemmy.world avatar

Except that there was no advertising for concord lol.

aciDC14,

True dat.

ms_lane,

Monopoly Go is the only real AAAA

CrabAndBroom,

The A is for “Actually this game is $90 now instead of $60.”

sp3tr4l, (edited )

It originated as a marketing term for Skull and Bones, right?

Realistically, its a corporate buzzword that is supposed to mean that the game delivers an exceptionally high quality experience, graphically, narratively, gameplay wise…

…but what it seems to actually mean is that the budget and manhour count and development calendar time ballooned to far greater than the original plan/estimates due to incompetent management.

At this point, I propose that ‘AAAA’ applies to basically any extremely costly game backed by a huge publisher that owns many development studios, that has been in development for over 4 years before any kind of release, ie, stuck in development hell, execs convinced its going to be a massive hit such that they sunken cost fallacy other games or even other studios out of existence so they can keep funding their uber project.

With a definition like this, Skull and Bones qualifies, so does Concord and Suicide Squad.

Basically… it doesn’t have to be from a grandiose marketing campaign attached to a AAA game, its more about being stuck in development hell and continuously funded to the point of destroying other parts of the business making it, like a financial cancer.

clif, do games w PSA: If you still have a Mojang account for Minecraft: Java Edition, you have less than a week left to migrate to a Microsoft account to avoid profile deletion

I tried to recover my Mojang account and migrate it three times. Each attempt gets a stock response asking for certain info (receipt, email, username). When I provide this, I get a response from a different support user asking for the same thing I just provided. After three to five back and forths (with the same questions and the same answers) I get busy, frustrated, and leave it for a few weeks.

Once I have time, I start over and the exact same thing repeats again.

I wrote it off as a loss last year with an asterisk of “another reason to fucking hate Microsoft”

themeatbridge,

Yeah, I bought it during beta testing and my account was attached to an old email. Gave up trying to migrate years ago. I’m actually surprised they still haven’t deleted it already.

andrew,
@andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

Class action time?

baggins, do games w Half Life: Alyx is Five Years Old Today

The reason it’s forgotten because most people aren’t able to play it. If valve really did put important story in a game that they knew most gamers would never be able to play that’s kind of shitty

TachyonTele,

The idea was people would buy the game and play it.

gonzo-rand19,

The idea of sinking $500 into a headset and then another $80 for one game is pretty crazy. Not like Valve doesn't have the ownership numbers from the hardware survey. It was never going to sell like HL2.

UnbrokenTaco,

Plenty of people do that to play a single game.

Given how different it is to other, normal 3d games, I don’t think the comparison is fair. Additionally there are a lot of other, really great games in VR too.

Regardless, I don’t think the problem is financial anymore. Rather that VR requires a sort of “commitment to inconvenience” where you feel cut off from the outside world (among other things) that I don’t think a lot of people are comfortable with.

gonzo-rand19,

Are "plenty of people" enough to make a game commercially viable? And not in an indie way.

I zone out, completely cut off from others, while playing games all the time. What I don't want to do is fork over more cash for things that will collect dust (like a headset for a single game).

Given how different it is to other, normal 3D games, I think it's a bit much to stake your franchise on something most people will never have. It's obvious Valve knew that, they're not idiots and have put out good hardware that didn't see mass adoption in the past (Steam Controller, Steam Link, etc.); it's clear they wanted to try out something new even if it wasn't a huge blockbuster. They have lots of revenue from other sources to fall back on.

They probably hoped that some people would take a chance and get the hardware to play the game, and some people did. But to expect that most would do that? Lol. They're not that dumb.

"The idea" was to do something no one had done before with a beloved franchise. Not to sell headsets.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think they particularly cared if you bought their headset, but they had the premium offering if you were interested. I think they wanted Alyx to be the Mario 64 of VR.

Quazatron,
@Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

It’s both financial (huge investment for a single game) and not. Playing with a thing strapped to your face does not sound fun. Especially with glasses. Or in the summertime. Plus I’m a Linux gamer, so I’d probably run into a lot of issues before I could run it.

antithetical,

I also run on Linux exclusively and I could play Half-Life Alex almost flawlessy on the Steam Index. And other VR games as well, including Beatsaber, Gorn, Walkabout Golf and many others. I’m really grateful to Valve and their Proton.

Quazatron,
@Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, that’s nice to know in case I decide to get a VR headset in the future.

Blue_Morpho,

Its $500 today but at the time it was $1500 and required cable and beacons.

UnbrokenTaco,

True in regards to the index kit but WMR has been around for a long time as well and that was a fraction of the price without base stations.

Also nobody has missed out on playing it yet! There’s still time before half life 3! 😅

AdrianTheFrog,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

True

it’s doomed now, but I love my Reverb G2, I got it for the same price as a Quest 2 (before the q3 released) and, having used both, its a lot better.

CosmoNova,

I mean it‘s 5 years old now and what has Valve released for VR since? A single game isn‘t gonna make a hardware and they know that. It was a failure in the end of the day.

gamermanh,

5 years old now and what has Valve released for VR since?

You know Valve has released a whopping 3 things total in that timespan (didn’t include deadlock cuz I’m not sure that’s officially released yet), right? A free steam deck teaser, the card game they’ve been working on for a while, and the CSGO 2 update

Valve works slow, my guy

A single game isn‘t gonna make a hardware

Good thing there are a shit ton of other games, then

It was a failure in the end of the day

No it wasn’t, you high? They sold out of Indexes around the games launch. Would have sold more if not for COVID, too

CosmoNova,

Hold on. Why are you replying with unrelated things that Valve did instead of focusing on VR to get people onto that platform? Kind of proves my point, doesn‘t it? Also Covid? Seriously? If anything Covid should‘ve accelerated development on VR games.

gamermanh,

Also Covid? Seriously? If anything Covid should‘ve accelerated development on VR games

Your claim was that the game was a failure, my point with COVID was that you would have been extra wrong about that had there not been a pandemic limiting how many headsets they could actually sell, which was the point of the game. In the world that we got they sold out and had Back-orders for a year, had there not been a global pandemic those Back-orders would have been sales, and likely many who couldn’t buy one would have been able to as well

The rest of your comment shows you have 0 idea how Valve works internally. The whole studio doesn’t just work on one project, there are smaller teams that pick and choose what they do. This is why Valve tends to release shit a couple years apart that are wildly different (Alyx and Artefact), but 5-8 years between similar products (Portal 2 and Alyx). It being 5 years or more since their last major VR release is to be expected from them, not a sign of failing at anything

Asetru,

Do you know about gaming consoles? 3D accelerator cards? Graphics cards? Or… CD ROM drives?

People have been buying hardware to play a certain game for literal decades. The games are called “system sellers”. Games so good they sell hardware. It’s usually even the opposite: if your hardware doesn’t have such a game, it doesn’t sell (atari Jaguar anyone?).

Stovetop,

VR has the extra element of needing a suitable living space to play in, though. Other games I can do at my desk or in my tiny, cramped living room, but I have nowhere I can easily set up for VR that would allow for significant range of motion.

I own a VR headset, but I only really use it for games that allow you to be stationary and just use the headset as an immersive monitor with a standard controller. As one would expect, it doesn’t get much use, because not many VR games are made to play that way!

Kecessa,

So people should buy hardware to play a single game and then leave the hardware to accumulate dust after a few hours of gameplay? Quite the waste!

tauren,

I agree, that would silly. Luckily, Half-Life Alyx is not the only VR game.

Kecessa, (edited )

Sure, but if people love Half-Life and don’t care about other VR games it sucks that it’s locked behind hardware requirements that even Valve doesn’t give a crap about considering it’s the only VR game they made.

Edit: I’m sure all of you would be pissed if Sony released a new PlayStation with one game from a beloved series and then just said “now it’s in other people’s hands, let them take care of creating more games for our hardware!”

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

God damn people want to just argue about everything

Kecessa,

Block me if you’re not happy

TachyonTele,

It’s ok, get it out.

tauren,

It isn’t up to Valve alone to push forward the industry and release top-tier VR games every other year. They took a risk and created one of the best games I’ve played, and I’m not alone in that opinion. Valve are trying expand the gaming experience, they are trying to be innovative, and people blame them for “not giving a crap”. Say what you want, but I thank Valve for what they are doing.

skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

This entire argument can be made identically for Half-Life 1 and 2 requiring people to upgrade their PCs to be able to play them.

Kecessa,

Didn’t know Valve was selling PCs back in the day!

pory,
@pory@lemmy.world avatar

$1000 and your gaming PC for Alyx is way beyond buying a PS4 for Bloodborne, and even doing that is a bridge too far for me.

Hadriscus,

I thought you still needed to plug the VR headset into a computer ? is the computer built into the headset ?

Kanzar,

Most of the common ones now do wireless streaming from the PC for PCVR. But yes, for PCVR games you will still need a PC to run it. There are some VR headsets that are capable of running some games on it without a connected PC, like my Quest 2 can run Superhot or BeatSaber etc.

Hadriscus,

Pretty cool I didn’t know that at all

JustARaccoon,

Yes for the standalone devices, but you can connect them via cable or wirelessly to a pc too

AdrianTheFrog,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

The game starts at 60 USD and goes down to 30 pretty often. If you have VR already, it’s not very expensive.

5too,

I’m showing it as $18 right now.

circuitfarmer,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It’s also way different from the goal of HL2. Downloading a launcher called Steam for free is not the same thing as buying specific hardware to play one game.

Jessica,

It’s free if you buy an Index

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

not any more.

Jessica,

Maybe not in your country. I literally just checked on the American store and it’s still included with the Valve Index.

They even give you a free copy of Half-Life Alyx if you buy a pair of knuckles controllers for $279.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

that’s annoying, i certainly didn’t get a copy.

PhAzE,

You could buy a quest 2, connect it to your 5 year old PC and play it just fine. I ran it off a gtx 1070ti with that headset just fine.

baggins,

Valve’s ‘official’ VR hardware costs ~$1500. Ain’t no way 😆

FeelzGoodMan420,

Huh? It’s $1K, not $1.5K. still expensive though for outdated as shit hardware.

baggins,

With the little box doohickeys it’s currently $1300 CAD. Add on tax and shipping. I believe it used to be more.

FeelzGoodMan420,

What boxes? The 1k pack comes with two base stations. You mean if you want to add 2 more? Then yea, fair.

baggins,

the valve index is very expensive

The whole kit is $1300 before tax

FeelzGoodMan420,

Your looking at it in Canadian. I’m talking usd. So we’re saying the same thing, just different currencies lol.

tauren,

But it’s not required, there are much cheaper options, especially today with used quest 2 devices.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

The “other reasons” people aren’t buying affordable VR setups is because they don’t trust Meta or their privacy policies. If the new Valve headset was $300-500 it would go a long way. But $1200 isn’t it.

piecat,

That is why those other VR sets are so cheap.

With valve, you’re paying for the hardware. With Meta, you’re the product

BroiledShit,

Psvr2, plus the pc adapter, i got both for a total of like $400 a few months ago, and got hl alyx on sale.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Have you used any other VR headset? I ask just cuz I wanna know how the PSVR2 compares to other headsets.

BroiledShit,

The only other one ove used is psvr1, and one of those smart phone ones, psvr2 is obvioisly miles ahead of bith, though i cant say how it compares to Index, or quest. Id imagine its probably near quest quality.

Lv_InSaNe_vL,

I’ve used pretty much all of the headsets on the market. I still haven’t tried a Big screen VR headset though :(

For popular headsets I’d rank them kinda like this

  1. Valve Index - it’s just really old and really expensive now, don’t buy one unless you get a hell of a deal on it used
  2. Quest 2 - Still very very good, screens are getting a little dated now
  3. PSVR2 - its a little janky on PC but it works fine and the OLEDs are sublime
  4. Pixmax Crystal - Money not a problem this is the best headset I’ve tried. The FOV is crazy, displays are beautiful, and tracking is damn near perfect. Its just like $2300 for the whole lot
  5. Quest 3 - Overall the best headset on the market. Its $570 (just get the pro strap, trust me) and gets you so close to the big boys in screen quality, plus it’s wireless, plus it has crazy good passthrough (I use it a lot, most people don’t), and streams PC games perfectly.

PSVR2 has really really really good looking displays, but it has some other downsides which really bring it down in the rankings. I’d stay away from it unless you get a deal on a used one, then it would absolutely be worth it.

False,

Plenty of people aren’t interested in vr for different reasons.

TachyonTele,

Don’t tell me that. Tell Valve.

TheLoneMinon,

Kingdom Hearts would like a word.

AbsoluteChicagoDog,

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  • baggins,

    Fair but why not include a traditional mode so everyone can experience it. Otherwise it’s still just a gimmick to sell hardware

    AbsoluteChicagoDog,

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  • baggins,

    Oh I didn’t realize connecting a VR headset to my computer made it not a computer anymore

    nous, do games w Would "suggest price" be a positive option for steam?

    This assumes people are rational and that what they say they are willing to pay matches what they are actually willing to pay. And that is just the people not trying to abuse the system.

    Dran_Arcana,

    Personally I don’t think I’d advocate for OP’s suggestion, but you could solve the problem by making the suggestion also a commitment for X period of time. If you make the suggestion, and the price drops within 90 days, it automatically purchases it, etc.

    JASN_DE,

    And what’d you get? People putting in 0.10. Unfortunately useless, as the poster above said.

    Dran_Arcana,

    potential solution: minimum commitment 10% of original list price?

    Mitchie151,

    You can put in a buy order at 0.1 for a share worth 100. You’re dreaming, but you can still do it. Don’t think it really qualifies as abusing the system.

    XeroxCool,

    I’m guilty of this. So many times, I’ll see something at full price and say I’ll wait to buy it on sale. Then it goes on sale and I don’t feel like spending the money at all. Granted, I’m not trying to sway the market and screaming my bid, this is just my internal monologue. I have a backlog of games and a busy adult life, so it’s not like I’m game-poor. Just regular poor.

    Quacksalber, do games w Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp will end service in Nov 28 - but will transition to a paid offline app

    This is the future StopKillingGames wants us to live in.

    Arkenbon, do gaming w I banned my kid from Roblox.... what next?

    Terraria, for something crafty-buildy with combat and very cartoony/2d blood and gore. 1-8 players.

    Don’t Starve Together, survival crafting in a hand-drawn Tim Burton-esque style. 2-6 players.

    Awesomenauts, 3v3 fast paced competitive game in the style of Saturday morning cartoons. 3-6 players.

    Deep Rock Galactic, coop shooter where you play space dwarves and shoot bugs while doing missions together. Gore may be a bit strong for your liking, but it’s very stylized and only against bugs and robots. 1-4 players.

    Risk of Rain 2, shooter where you try and escape a planet together with lots of different ways to play. 1-4 players.

    Age of Empires 2, old school fast-paced medieval strategy game modernized with new graphics and such. 1-8 players.

    Valheim, viking survival crafty buildy game in which you explore and conquer a dangerous world together. 1-10 players.

    Cassette Beasts, technically not multi-player yet but they’re adding it as a free update January. It’s a Pokémon-esque game where you’ll all be trainers in the same overworld together capturing beasts and taking down challenges together. 1-8 players when it comes out.

    All of these games are rated T for teen, but it sounds more like you’re opposed to M rated violence and language than T levels. They’re all also insular in that this friend group doesn’t need to involve other people to play together and can either play with or against each other or the computer.

    WetBeardHairs,

    Some really solid recommendations here. Thanks a ton. I’ve heard of Deep Rock Galactic but it didn’t pop into mind. And Risk of Rain 2 looks great.

    SatouKazuma,
    @SatouKazuma@lemmy.world avatar

    DRG does have a touch of profanity if you’re concerned about that, btw.

    WetBeardHairs,

    I just want to avoid the porn games on steam, and any super-gory shit like dead space. I thought Diablo would be fun for him but it is a bit too much right now. It was different when super pixelated back in the D2 days.

    SatouKazuma,
    @SatouKazuma@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean, if that’s your only concern then DRG should be fine.

    ICastFist,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    Overcooked can make for some fun chaos, though it tops at 4 players. Team Fortress 2 could work, but it does have graphic violence and I dunno if it’s available for the newer xboxes. On PC, it has loads of mods and custom maps that offer similar experiences to what you can find in Roblox

    Arkenbon,

    Deep Rock Galactic has mtx packs but they’re cosmetic, and there’s a large selection of cosmetics that you can unlock within the game itself.

    Risk of Rain 2 has one proper expansion, with another on its way, and no mtx.

    Grulice,

    I think there is a mod to allow more than 4 players in a session for Risk of Rain 2

    Arkenbon,

    The OP said that the friend group has Xboxes, and I assume that you can’t mod the games. I may be wrong though, I haven’t used an Xbox since the 360 and mostly game with the pc myself.

    Grulice,

    You’re right, I missed that part. I highly doubt it would be moddable though

    ninjabard, do gaming w Spend money and consume!

    The AI slop doesn’t belong on here.

    renegadespork,
    @renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net avatar

    Are you referring to the cartoon version of that “other woman” meme?

    samus12345,

    Yes, and it’s poorly done, too. The “other woman” shouldn’t be noticing the guy looking at her.

    arakhis_,
    @arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

    the guy isnt even looking at her, which is the whole point of the meme too

    ai “artists” really are a talented bunch 💀

    Ganbat, do games w What's up with Epic Games?

    Well, I have four big ones:

    • System scanning: EGS is known to automatically scan your system and send your data back to them. While this seems to be the same type of analytics Steam does occasionally, in Steam’s case, it’s opt-in, and done with full, informed consent.
    • Paid exclusives: Epic has been known to pay publishers to make their games artificially exclusive to their own store. They regularly claim this money is to support the development of the games in question, but this is easily disproven, as they’ve been seen buying games known to be complete more than once. Additionally, this has resulted in bait-and-switch-like situations, where users would prepurchase Steam copies of games, only to be informed that they wouldn’t be getting them.
    • Publisher-centric behavior: Another user here claimed that EGS is pro-developer and anti-consumer, but this is only half true. This only rings true in the case of self-published games. There have been cases of developers getting unwarranted backlash after aforementioned bait-and-switches, when they were just as surprised to learn about all the “development support” they received as anyone.
    • Tim Sweeney: Tim Weeney, the CEO of Epic, is an asshole. A giant, narcissistic, hateful shitbag. Just look at his Twitter, the dudes a giant POS.
    lud,

    Additionally, this has resulted in bait-and-switch-like situations, where users would prepurchase Steam copies of games, only to be informed that they wouldn’t be getting them.

    I didn’t know about this.

    It happened to Metro Exodus (great game btw) but iirc all pre orders were honoured and the game was just delisted.

    Has it happened after that?

    vsh,

    It’s mostly owned by tencent (CCP company). I don’t remember how much but I think it was about 40%

    quams69, do games w So I tried Lethal company... and didn't like it. Does it get better eventually ?

    You don’t have to like games just because they are popular. It’s clearly not for you and that’s really all there is to it, and that is ok. Go try something else that actually piques your interest.

    gunpachi,

    Yup, looks like it’s not my cup of tea. I just bought it to play with my friends. I guess I’ll refund it and get something else.

    kurwa,

    I like the game, but I wish there was more depth to it, hopefully that comes along in the future.

    Blxter, do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?
    !deleted4407 avatar

    My understanding is that it is a complete game with no microtransactions to shove along with it. After that I believe it is because it is really really good and not a common genre to get the spot light. Mainly the first part.

    Lazerbeams2,

    There’s also the reaction from other developers claiming that the game “sets an unrealistic standard for what to expect out of a game” despite it being exactly what people want from a triple A studio. Just a complete, well made, functional game with no microtransactions

    rtxn, (edited ) do games w Cities Skylines 2, Kerbal Space 2, Planet Coaster 2, Frostpunk 2... What Went Wrong?

    I was there with KSP from the early days. Squad was not in the video game business, they were a billboard advertisement company. The lead dev HarvesteR started it as a passion project. It found success with the alpha and full release in 2015.

    Then in 2017 Take-Two bought the rights to the game. Squad kept working on the original, but development of the sequel was handed off to Star Theory with Private Division publishing. The game was delayed, then development was moved to a new studio, Intercept Games, which was owned by Take-Two. They also poached a third of Star Theory’s personnel, which resulted in the studio’s death. They fucked around for a few years, released the early access version, then sold Private Division, closed Intercept Games, and abandoned the game.

    In short: corporate interests. KSP2’s failure had nothing to do with KSP or its developers.

    Lupus,

    I was there with KSP from the early days

    Same, I am still so mad about the whole ksp2 fiasco that I block all of take twos games on steam, they ain’t getting any money from me. I am so glad I didn’t buy it in EA although it looked promising.

    MysteryMeatbag,

    I’m with you. I was excited to learn the other day that some of the KSP developers are working on a game called Kitten Space Agency that might fill the void left by KSP2’s demise.

    C8r9VwDUTeY3ZufQRYvq,

    Oh that’s cool. Hopefully they can do it justice.

    cecilkorik,
    @cecilkorik@lemmy.ca avatar

    That’s exactly right. They also had managers/publishers telling them to do shit like make the rockets even wobblier than KSP1 because it made for funny viral videos that would get more PR.

    Nobody who actually played the game wanted wobblier rockets than KSP1. Nobody really wanted wobbly rockets at all. Sometimes a bug can actually be a feature, but in this case, it really was just a bug. The people in charge didn’t ever care about the people who actually played the game, they just wanted sales, and they made decisions accordingly. That’s why it looks nice, but plays like shit.

    ArchmageAzor,
    @ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

    That thinking is the death of art anywhere. “Stop making unique stuff, stick to what sells.”

    Excrubulent,
    @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

    Yup, and honestly even according to that anti-art logic it was a strategic failure. Funny meme gifs were part of how the game gained notoriety, but you don’t maintain a game long term on meme status alone.

    Even if “haha funni physics glitches” were still the in thing - I think people got over them fast, like with any comedy style - the longevity of the game came from the deep mechanics and impressive missions people could do, and the community support.

    I actually think that sequels to breakout sandbox games are always doomed to fail. Like what if they tried to release Minecraft 2? It would be awful, and I think we all instinctively know it would be, which is kind of a self fullfulling prophecy.

    Minecraft doesn’t have a monopoly on the special sauce that makes their game good. It has a decade and a half of support and cultural recognition from a dedicated following. You can’t make that happen a second time. I don’t like what’s been done with the franchise commercially, but they figured out how to milk it without doing a direct sequel, which I think is part of why it’s still relevant.

    lath, do games w The four horsemen of unmet financial expectations

    Of all the good games hoarded by EA, I only bought Dragon Age Origins, on GOG.

    And despite the low prices, i ain’t touching the Mass Effect series as long as they’re rooted like this.

    Just because I’ve got nothing to hide doesn’t mean I’m an exhibitionist.

    xavier666,

    The last line is gold

    drasglaf,
    @drasglaf@sh.itjust.works avatar

    A couple of weeks ago the Mass Effect Trilogy was so cheap on Steam that it was hard to resist, so I pirated it. I’m already on Mass Effect 3, it’s been a while since I played the trilogy.

    MajorHavoc, (edited )

    I’m no pirate, but if I was, I would pirate Mass Effect 3.

    It’s definitely one of the titles that makes me feel like EA is handing out eye patches.

    Am I misunderstanding that it’s single player?

    Why in the world can’t I just give them some cash and get to play it offline without spyware?!

    I know who will let me play Mass Effect 3 offline without spyware.

    And they be good hearted folk, once ye get to know 'em. Aye!

    __Lost__,

    I bought mass effect legendary edition from epic last year, it was super cheap and I never played. I finally installed it a couple weeks ago and am playing the first game. It’s a great game, but the drm infrastructure is really frustrating.

    To play the game, I need to:

    Don’t click the desktop icon it installed for me, nothing will happen Start EA app Don’t click the icon on the side, nothing will happen Click on library Click on game Ignore the helpful hint to use the icon on the side to save time Click on launch This starts the epic store This then starts the mass effect launcher Click launch on the game I want While the game is loading, the epic store will now steal focus back and I need to alt-tab back to the game Now I can play the game and it works fine

    It really makes me think about pirating the other games instead of continuing this bs. Plus I should be able to then play them on Linux instead of needing to boot into Windows to play.

    Gaben was absolutely correct in saying that piracy is a service problem.

    knightmare1147,

    “I need privacy not because my actions are questionable, but because your judgement and intentions are.” - Stéphane Bortzmeyer

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