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CTDummy, do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales

Microsoft is literally killing off game studios and dev jobs to fund AI. There’s absolutely no way that customers don’t get fucked when the end goal of game pass is met. Embrace, extend, extinguish. Plus, since SKG is a trending topic, you think they’ll think twice about killing games exclusively under GP or just dropping them? You’re not even paying for the games, just access. I got it a couple times when it was $1. After it went up I realised “oh cool so my entire library would be hostage for future price hikes”. Fuck that.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

What is SKG?

TheButter_ItSeeps,

Stop Killing Games

Tingle,

Stop Killing Games, in short it’s a campaign that’s pushing petitions to force developers to keep games playable when currently if a developer is done with it they will just shut servers and there can be o way to play the games any more, or provide code for someone else to be able to set up a way for them to still be played.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

Thanks. I wasn’t familiar with the abbreviation and of course Google offered no insights.

scala,

Fawkes is doing this. An indie studio, Buying out IPs that have shutdown their service. They re-released Defiance back in April and it’s been a huge success.

xxce2AAb, do gaming w Imagine being this cool

“When you were a baby, Mommy was ripping out people’s spines while breastfeeding you.”

“…I can respect that.”

“You’d better, honey.”

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world avatar

The husband was one of her victims in the tournament too, so everyone in the house should be wary of crossing her.

damnedfurry,

It looks like she was playing in these events all throughout her pregancy, including a win at 7 months.

BeMoreCareful,

BRB

anamethatisnt, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Path of Exile, Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, Torchlight 2

toxicbubble, (edited )

this is the definitive list.

path of exile is most popular but has optional mtx(?)

titan quest and Torchlight are on multiple consoles. titan quest has a sequel in production

grim dawn is by the titan quest team, has a small file size, and runs well on older pcs.

glitches_brew,

Does Last Epoch belong on this list too?

toxicbubble,

I’ve only heard good things but haven’t tried it yet, probably does belong!

glitches_brew,

Ive had a ton of fun playing it!

PlantJam,

Yes it absolutely does belong! It’s officially launching on February 21, but it’s currently available in beta/early access.

Thorry84,

Yes! As a die hard Grim Dawn fan I can say Last Epoch is awesome. Grim Dawn is still better imho, but Last Epoch comes close. Both are excellent games one could easily put 100+ hours in and have a blast.

Croquette,

I just wish that I could start at a higher difficulty on Grim Dawn with the appropriate scaling. I don’t want to do the campaign 3 times just like old days.

Ketram,

Didn’t they just change the game with the last patch (still being updated, my God the devs are GOATed) so they you can play to 100 in any difficulty? I still imagine you get pasted in elite and ultimate if that’s your issue though.

Croquette,

I don’t know, haven’t played with that feature. The campaign with expansion is long enough that it was a pain to go through it to get to endgame.

It’s a good thing that you can skip that.

Ketram,

Yeah I’m hoping so as well, haven’t played since that patch. I got really burnt out spamming the story over and over too.

darth_helmet,

Path of exile charges for inventory QoL and with the ludicrous amount of different stuff that drops, it’s arguably kind of mandatory if you’re trying to complete seasonal objectives

bisby,

Its also free to play.

Or as some streamers say: its a $60 game with an incredibly generous free trial.

sadbehr,
@sadbehr@lemmy.nz avatar

For PoE you consider 30gb installed (on PS5 mind you) a large file size? Yes it has mtx, but it is not once pushed or advertised to you, and none of it is required for anything. They does improve the QoL of the game however.

CoD + WZ is around 240gb I think. Most modern AAA games are usually 90gb minimum.

toxicbubble,

true, I thought it was larger for some reason

sadbehr,
@sadbehr@lemmy.nz avatar

Some years ago they pretty much rewrote the entire base game code (or some parts of it) and tidied it up, reducing the overall size. It may be larger installed on PC (I’m on PS5) but I can’t imagine there being too much of a difference.

TheLugal,
@TheLugal@lemmy.world avatar

The MTX for PoE are within the “nice” ones. There’s extra stash tabs, but you don’t need to consider that until after the campaign. And then there’s cosmetics. No pay to win. And the MTX are on your account, so they will be on PoE2 as well.

GraniteM,

How is the couch co-op for Titan Quest? My SO and I spent a ton of time on Diablo 3 together and I might consider trying that again.

anamethatisnt,

No couch coop on PC, so I don’t know.
There is 2 player local coop for Playstation, XBox and Nintendo though
www.co-optimus.com/game/334/pc/titan-quest.html

shneancy, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

gamers, unironically, rise up. this isn’t going to end on niche porn games

Mk23simp,

Since this is caused by activist pressure on the payment processors, perhaps a grassroots activist campaign of our own could change their mind. Especially if we threaten to stop using their services in favor of any competitor that allows all legal purchases.

Katana314,

Hopefully you’re referring to Visa/Paypal, not Itch.

One place that comes to mind is Verotel. I barely know them, but supposedly one of their star attributes is their use for adult businesses. Likely someone else knows them better.

pupbiru, (edited )

visa have similar restrictions… the issue is that payment processor, merchant, card network, issuing bank, and acquiring bank (and a few more) are all different layers to facilitating a transaction… there are very few card networks in the world, and essentially people pay online using mostly either just visa or mastercard

technically you could probably run a site that only accepts amex, diners club, jcb, discover, etc but it really wouldn’t go well: people want to whip out their card (often their only method of online payment) and just pay and go

you’d also need to find a payment processor that would be comfortable taking on the risk of facilitating transactions around mastercard and visa… they might just cut them off from access to their network. sounds like extortion? yeah welcome to the world of banking, where in any other industry it’d be called a cartel

making things even more difficult is that by law in the US payment processors must offer at least 3 (i think? it might be 2?) “routes” (these things aren’t always straight forward - sometimes there are multiple card networks involved), so you probably have to have a pretty mature payment processor because they’d have to accept several of the alternative card networks

oh and you have to push various stats to the federal reserve which is a massive back and forth bureaucratic challenge even above the technical challenge of interfacing with some pretty awful systems. it often takes over a year to get things sorted unless you’re a “too big to fail” type customer

there are a buuuuunch of other spanners that get thrown into the works, but i’m not sure where the NDA line hits so i’m gonna just leave it there and say trust me, payment processing (distinct from payment gateway) is an absolute nightmare mess

Cocodapuf, (edited )

I’m not sure that works, like on a purely game theory level. If gamers start to apply pressure, threaten to stop buying games, the stores need to make a choice:

A. Risk facing the wrath of the gamers, sales are likely to drop. Possibly by a lot, perhaps 15-20%. That could keep up for months before stabilizing.

B. Risk facing the wrath of the payment processors, credit card sales will stop immediately, only alternative payment types get through. Sales drop by 80% overnight, over time some users will seek alternative payment methods, possibly resulting in only 50% less revenue than expected…

While both of those options are bad, one of them is totally fatal to their business.

Those numbers are of course only speculation, but that’s my best guess.

Mk23simp,

I meant pressing the payment processors, like those prude activists are.

skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

I find it offensive that the only effective way to combat this is to fight fire with fire and also make a big bitchy noise about this like the conservatives love to do. I have better things I would rather be doing with my life. But such are the times we live in I suppose.

Mk23simp,

In the short term, I think that collectively being Karens about it would be able to reverse the pressure, by steering the monopolists away from oppressing us. Because they are mainly motivated by money.

In the long term, take away their monopoly power.

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Any games with even mild nudity is next (like Nier)

ssroxnak,

Yep, then lgbtq games, then games with guns, then games with blood, so on and so on

XeroxCool,

Are you sure gun and violence culture is on the chopping block? In the American market?

hibsen,

It absolutely is. We only encourage gun and violence culture in real life, especially by authoritarian figures and their representatives. Allowing such in virtual spaces where no one can actually be hurt or killed runs counter to our patriotic ideals.

ssroxnak,

The big payment processors won’t let you buy firearm parts

troglodyke,
@troglodyke@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

It absolutely is, it’s naive to think these puritans will just decide to stop here

Xande,

GUNS are you nuts… Murican “morale” apostles might have infuenced the media worldwide, but if you take away guns… you lose Murica!

ssroxnak,

Collective Shout is Australian.

Xande,

Doesn’t matter… No guns… Murican outcry! 😁

Or they mope about you not wanting their “culture” and offer to bring their democrazy…

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

Activision, EA, Ubisoft, etc. would never let that happen.

DeLacue,

It’s already expanded. It started as going after “rape and incest” but now it’s all adult games. But a bunch of lgbtq games have already gotten hit. I am beyond furious.

Gloomy,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

Shit. Would you provide a source please?

shneancy,

i don’t know if any source has caught up yet, but a few days ago it was indeed just taboo kink games that were being targeted, now it seems all of itch.ios NSFW games are disappearing

RandomVideos,

Isnt that addressed in the post?

NikkiDimes, (edited )

I think all games being hit is a temporary measure while they get some sort of new process in place. We’ll see where things land.

Either way, card processing companies shouldn’t be dictating what kind of art consumers can consume, even if I don’t personally agree with the content of some of the worst offenders. If it’s not outright illegal, they can fuck off.

chunes,

You’re being too gracious. These companies could have given itch.io enough time to classify the games properly, but they didn’t.

NikkiDimes,

Oh for sure, fuck these companies. I’m just saying don’t take it out on Itch.io and their current scorched earth approach, their hands are tied.

belluck,

Here’s one example I came across on Bluesky

belluck,

Direct link to the game because the creator restricted who can view their posts on Bsky. Only viewable via a link or from their profile now, searching the name only returns a bunch of other dress-up games, but not this one, presumably because of the „Transgender“ tag.

Gloomy,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

Thanks for the context. Might have been caught up in the crossfire, but very worrying indeed.

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

It’s gonna stop once they hit a category that includes big AAA games. Once they start cutting into the revenue of Call of Duty or Assassin’s Creed the big developers should take a stance.

Baylahoo,

I’ve already seen a pretty big YouTuber cover that they are targeting GTA 6 now. It was either moistcritical or mudahar

SharkAttak,
@SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org avatar

How do I tell politely in a letter to MasterCard, that if I want to buy a horse dildo it's only MY fucking business?

shneancy,

buy a horse dildo with bitcoin and flaunt how they didn’t get any money from your transaction? idk man, i’m good at vague ideas, specifics are harder

Mustakrakish,

Neighbors being kidnapped: I sleep

Taking my fetish games: Real Shit

shneancy,

most of the world isn’t american. we can’t do anything about your government

Mustakrakish,

Capitalism is a global problem, its not contained to america. Replace neighbors being kidnapped with which ever country you’re in supporting a genocide and it still fits, and is likely accurate unless you’re like in Yemen.

Grimy, do games w Lara Croft is a Sociopath
TheAlbatross, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.

Oh no I no longer can play the incredibly toxic matchmaking multi-player games and instead have to enjoy the automation, exploration, story, management and strategy games I’ve always loved

IDew,

Factorio, my beloved

capuccino,
@capuccino@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah. Now I only have like 3 hours to play by day and I’m not gonna waste them in losing.

Physnrd,

I’m the same way. I know some like the feeling of beating a hard boss after trying for hours, but I just don’t have that time.

ech,

The secret is they like the process of beating them too. It’s not all about “winning”.

FordBeeblebrox,

Hmm should I try different party combos in BG3 to see how the dialogue changes or run around a COD map getting shot in the back of the head every 9 seconds while ads for mtx strobe flash my corneas?

saltesc,

Feel kind of lucky. They weren’t so toxic when I was good. The only place to really find that was from the notorious Xbox Live kids experimenting with their first ever swear words.

It was when gaming reached a broader audience and wasn’t just for “nerds” that toxicity became commonplace. Went from making friends with strangers all the time to just default muting mics and avoiding communities.

Nowadays, the less reflex-deoendent, the more you’ll be surrounded by players from those days and the less toxicity. Compare HLL to MW, for example.

sp3ctr4l,

As always, the closer a game gets to being a full blown simulator, the older the playerbase tends to be.

Almost like arcady bs with autoaim and automatchmaking and very short game round times and superhuman movement capabilities appeal to people with poor impulse control.

… of course you can then go way, way too far into fullblown sim territory and end up with actual geriatrics and/or turboautists, lol.

(I say this lovingly as a turboautist who has spent probably an unhealthy amount of time in various niche sim communities, lol)

saltesc,

Kind of. Growing up playing Counter-Strike and Battlefield titles, toxicity was still a much rarer thing than these days. Hell, smacktalk wasn’t even a thing unless playing with friends and joking around.

sp3ctr4l,

Hrm, I encountered plenty of toxic assholes back on CS and BF/42/Vietnam/2, to the point that I had to explicitly seek out better communities, and then landed at Project Reality, being an alpha/beta tester / gameplay design concept discussion enthusiast (lol) with them for years.

Maybe I just had worse luck back then, or maybe its just way, way worse now with modern casual shooters.

Could be a bit of both.

I still remember the final test before PR 0.5 was released.

DBzao had written the first iteration of the injected python script that was to govern how you could request which kits depending on which squad you were in, who had what kits in your squad, how many kits were available to your whole team, etc.

Problem was… sometimes, for a completely indiscernible reason… some players just couldn’t use the system at all.

We spent 3 hours in TS … or maybe it was Ventrilo?.. we spent hours trying everything we could think of, could not identify any pattern.

As the session was being wound down, as we had basically given up… I had a realization.

I pulled up the in game scoreboard… many times.

I then started barking orders at various remaining players to see who could and could not use the kit system.

If a non alphanumeric character was in your username, you could not use the kit system.

DBzao didn’t believe this at first, pulled up his code, and then screamed.

… yep, he hadn’t properly handled strings or string conversions or special characters at some stage of the code.

We’d been stuck on this for almost 2 weeks, and 6 hours later, it was fixed and released.

sp3ctr4l, (edited )

Or you can graduate to milsims.

The controls and game mechanics tend to be so complicated that… well, people tend to have more realistic expectations from their teammates, and if you find a decent community, people tend to be more mature and friendly.

It actually requires a part time job level of commitment to be an exceptional shooter or tanker or pilot or even medic if you’re playing with a sufficiently complex health simulation… so, somewhat true to life, people tend to specialize and thus have much, much more incentive for decent communication standards.

Downside: Also true to life, a lot of games will end up feeling like 90% camping/hiking/road trip, punctuated, often essentially randomly, by 10% sheer terror.

You are not authorized for retirement unless you want a dishonorable discharge, soldier! If you need a wrist splint and vertical ergonomic mouse to continue your duties, check the nearest supply depot! Dismissed!

lol

IncogCyberspaceUser,

What milsims would you recommend?

sp3ctr4l, (edited )

Well, you got Arma 3 or Arma Reforger…

Those are pretty much the most commonly played milsims, with tons of available mods and dlc, huge expansive maps, players have their own inventories, can customize your whole load out and such…

SQUAD is sort of a milsim lite, maybe? It evolved out of Project Reality for Battlefield 2, they eventually made their whole own game in Unreal.

It retains the round based, class base core concept, but greatly expands on the more arcady nature of the Battlefield series with many more realistic gameplay concepts, much of them revolving around playing a role in a squad.

The maps aren’t as big as Arma, but you can still end up with a whole game session taking an hour or two.

There are also other games that basically aim for what SQUAD does, but not in a modern combat setting, Hell Let Loose for WW2 as an example.

I think Gray Zone Warfare is trying to be a new sort of milsim on the block, but so far I’ve heard roughly mixed reviews of it… and there are tons of ‘tactical shooters’… but they tend to be smaller in scope and usually lack vehicles, or don’t include near as many, or simulate them as extensively… and a whole lot of them tend to be developed by basically people who vastly overestimate their ability to make a game, and can be very toxic / in denial about this… so be careful with those, haha, probably check youtube for some reviews before diving in.

There’s also Gunner Heat PC if you want a very tank oriented tank sim, and DCS if you want an excruciatingly detailed, combat oriented flight sim, and you also hate money, lol.

Oh right, for basically most of these, you’re probably going to want to try and find and join some kind of larger community on discord or something like that… usually they’ll have guides, tutorials, plan matches/games on a schedule, maybe even offer some kind of psuedo boot camp / training for enthusiastic noobs, hehe.

IncogCyberspaceUser,

Thank you so much for the detailed response, a upvote wouldn’t be enough. <3

sp3ctr4l,

I threw in some more details after I made the comment, more context and hopefully more useful info =D

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

On the other hand, sims tend to get a lot of guys that are a bit too into it.

sp3ctr4l,

Yep, thats also true lol.

Quoting myself from another comment in this thread:

… of course you can then go way, way too far into fullblown sim territory and end up with actual geriatrics and/or turboautists, lol.

(I say this lovingly as a turboautist who has spent probably an unhealthy amount of time in various niche sim communities, lol)

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w UK petition of "Require videogame publishers to keep games they have sold in a working state" just got thrown back to the Government

This is honestly pretty funny. Even another government agency recognized how bad the response was. That was literally like someone asking how old you are, and you respond by telling them the definition of age.

Sanctus, do games w Begun the kernel wars have
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Games dont belong in the kernel. Shit should have stayed in userspace. No, I dont care how many billions are on the line, games are not that important.

mavu,

alternative: Games do not belong on computers that do non-game things.

Anyway, this is going to be resolved as soon as north korea finds out who many people have important stuff on PC they game on, and hack some hapless devs source to install a rootkit on 100m PCs via steam.

ms_lane,

I guess only Nintendo is allowed to release games then.

Sony can’t, Playstation has a web browser and therefore games do not belong on it.

mavu,

I mean, i expected some comments on this, but that ? really?
very weak. back to the drawing board.

Wispy2891,
@Wispy2891@lemmy.world avatar

Checkmate, the playstation 5 doesn’t have a web browser

ulterno,

Neither did Playstation from what I remember

Wispy2891,
@Wispy2891@lemmy.world avatar

Playstation 2, 3 and 4 could run a web browser (although in all cases it was netfront, worse than Microsoft explorer 6)

Korhaka,

Yes they do. If I want games and non games on my PC then that is up to me, I am the fucking admin.

mavu,

Yes they do. If I want malware and non malware on my PC then that is up to me, I am the fucking admin.

Fixed your post, and yes you are the admin, you can do what you want.

Euphoma,

Do you think every videogame is malware?

Xatolos,
@Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

That was one hell of a leap in (il)logical thinking…

Charzard4261,
@Charzard4261@programming.dev avatar

Bait used to be believable.

reddit_sux,

I don’t think you understand people don’t have money to buy one computer to work, one to play, or a console to play. People are cheap that way, when it comes to food or a gaming console they choose food.

kittenzrulz123,
Electricd,

Those are not games but anticheats

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

True, your wording was my intention.

Electricd,

But is your intention my wording?

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar
pycorax, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)

If Discord is going to be abandoned by people, I wish we’d go back to proper forums that’s much more accessible and searchable. Continuing down this road is just going to lead to the continued burying of useful information behind these services.

vividspecter,

I think there’s room for both, as in the old days there was typically an IRC channel along side forums that was typically a secondary channel (but not always).

But yeah, forums would be ideal, preferably with federation support so there is no need to make an account with every single one.

PassingThrough,

Well, you see IRC and forums went together because they filled two different needs and we understood that back in the day.

IRC was for chatting, short, quick real time communication that would be lost to the ether as soon as you signed off, unless you had a bouncer or log bot.

Forums were for long information, be that long posts or posts that needed to endure for a long time. Sure you’d get some one liner responses to those posts, but forums were not at all instant like IRC. Though the information did stay much longer, and was much more searchable and organized.

Discord has spoiled us, being quick and chatty while also allowing for longer posts and being searchable. At least within the Discord client. Shoot they even added those “forum” channels to replicate the old forum feel. But real time.

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

i wouldn’t say discord “spoiled” us by trying to reinvent forums, i’d say it unnecessarily blurred the lines. classic case of feature creep.

libra00,
@libra00@lemmy.world avatar

Forums are just not great for real-time interaction like discord chat is, not to mention the integration of voice chat, video streaming, etc is just too convenient to give up without replacing it with something similar. I too wish discord/whatever replacement gets attention was more searchable and kept stuff long-term, but… if you want to post info that lasts, post it on lemme and link it on discord or whatever.

Hyphlosion, (edited )

True, but I can’t help having nostalgia for ye olde forum days.

Edit: Not sure why I keep being downvoted. I never said forums would replace anything. I was merely acknowledging my nostalgia for old forum boards from a now bygone era. Didn’t realize having fond memories of a time period on the Internet was a bad thing. Jesus.

eronth,

Reasonable, but you’d be fooling yourself to act as if forums will meaningfully replace Discord for most users.

libra00,
@libra00@lemmy.world avatar

Fair enough.

I kinda don’t though. I quite enjoy real-time chat and voice and video with friends. It’s not like forums don’t exist at all anymore tho - you’re on one right now. I get my forum experience from places like reddit or lemmy, and I use them for very different things, so I’m glad both exist.

Pika,
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

discord is not a forum (even if they want it to be with the forum channels), its never been a good location to store information. That being said, its amazing for real time communication unlike forums. I hate that devs use it for FAQ and bug forms and stuff. I stopped reporting bugs if it requires me to join a discord.

Korhaka,

Discord is more of a chat room than a forum though, lemmy is a federated alternative to forums.

SW42,

Amen! I remember the good old days of speciality community forums based on VB or even phpBB or in some cases Woltlab. I miss the simpler times.

criss_cross,

I think we just need to split roles again.

Discord did there best to be an all in one solution and we just need a return to real time chat and voice along with asynchronous communication like forums

mic_check_one_two,

We need both for different purposes. Discord is amazing for voice, video, and IM chatting. All things that happen in real-time. But forums are intended for a vastly different use case. Forums are play-by-post. They’re asynchronous. They’re meant for responding at your earliest convenience, not for talking to someone right now. The fact that so many people began using Discord as a forum replacement is a travesty, because Discord is a fucking atrocious medium for forums… Not due to any fault of Discord’s, but because they’re completely different use cases.

randomblock1,

You’re on a forum right now, no? I think a lot of Discords have accompanying Reddits and vice versa, hopefully they start using Lemmy. But forums are still popular. Just not Ye Olde BBS

pycorax,

Not nearly enough of them. Too many frameworks or libraries have their QnAs on Discord instead of a dedicated forum.

jedibob5, (edited ) do games w Game wikis just aren't as popular anymore?

I wonder how much it has to do with how much of a shithole the Fandom network is. Between the godawful UX, aggressive SEO to bury competing wikis in search results, and scummy business practices that effectively prevent wiki admins from migrating to other hosts, the idea of maintaining a game wiki probably isn’t all that appealing these days.

I miss Wikia…

Illecors,

Would you care to elaborate on what’s preventing wiki admins from migrating?

jedibob5, (edited )

They don’t actually let admins shut down their wikis or remove content from them. They can leave and start a new wiki, but they have to leave the old one in place (for which Fandom could potentially just find new admins), and they can only link to the new wiki from the Fandom wiki for a period of two weeks. With Fandom’s SEO, there’s a good chance the Fandom wiki will still be ahead of search results of a new wiki even after migration. Source

ono,

I wonder if this could be mitigated (or even nullified) by a cooperative game developer, through DMCA takedown notices sent to Fandom. There is a lot of art on these wikis, after all, and I imagine the copyright holder has some say in who is allowed to distribute it.

Illecors,

Thank you. I’ve been dabbling with the idea of establishing a non-profit for my lemmy instance. I’m not a user of game/movie/etc wikis, but I do love looking after my servers. I wonder if a non-profit owned wiki site bear any weight over time.

DrQuint,

Man this was an issue already some 10 years ago when touhou wiki went self-hosted. It took a whole year for google to get memo and link the new one above the old.

Nowadays I assume it’s pretty much impossible to reverse the flow unless if your game is huge and highly sought after.

EnglishMobster,

What are they going to do? Ban them?

Honestly if I was migrating away from Fandom I’d do everything I can to burn every bridge. Go through and edit every page to have every link redirect to the better wiki. Ignore their 2-week period, and don’t inform the Fandom overlords that the wiki is being shut down (it’s not like they’re going to check without being prompted).

I’d make them ban me, and then good luck finding an admin.

jedibob5,

It’s not too hard to roll back changes on a wiki. Any attempts at sabotage wouldn’t be very difficult to undo.

AlexWIWA,

I am forever grateful that halopedia rolled their own wiki and was spared from the fandom plague.

deranger,

Another stark comparison is UESP vs. Fandom for elder scrolls lore. Fandom is absolute cancer, poor UX even with an adblocker.

AlexWIWA,

Yeah I find it completely unusable. I can’t use wookiepedia anymore because it is just awful to use. Like you said, it’s awful even with an ad blocker

bionicjoey,

UESP is such a gem

GrammatonCleric,
@GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Wikidot was the shit for Dark Souls games 😙👌

setsneedtofeed, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?
@setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

objective

MEDIA APPRECIATION DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, GOOD NIGHT!

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pelerinli, do games w What are y'all buying on the steam sale?

Zero. I’ve too much already unplayed and unfortunately working now (sucks to be adult).

ColeSloth,

Buying a steam deck significantly increased by gaming time. The ability to immediately suspend and resume my gameplay, and not have to go over to my desktop helped a lot. I’ve played more this past year than I have in the last 3 years combined.

TwinTusks,
@TwinTusks@bitforged.space avatar

unfortunately working now

Try also have some kids

thorbot,

No thanks

Gabu,

I’m not a masochist, why would I do that?

TwinTusks,
@TwinTusks@bitforged.space avatar

Good thinking, I love my kids but they suck your time/energy and money like a blackhole.

skisnow, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

“curtail developer choice” is such a weak argument because you could equally apply it to literally every piece of regulation ever passed. Of course it curtails choice, that’s almost the dictionary definition of an industry regulation.

maxwells_daemon, do games w Thank you, Thor! 🥳

Absolute fucking clown. He’s just scared of open sourcing old games because everyone will see how shitty his code is…

AlolanYoda,

That’s completely misguided, because people can see his code anyway (in his streams), and also because he will never finish or release his game

fartsparkles,

Probably little incentive to do so given how much money they’re making from Twitch, YouTube, etc.

lobut,

I mean, he’s said before that shitty code doesn’t make for a good or bad game. He gave examples of lots of successful games that have “bad” code and that it doesn’t matter and people should just make games.

SkaveRat,

Not sure if it’s still the case, but the code of balatro was a single giant file with if cases for every card

Bad code can make great games. But it will also make them very hard to maintain

Ghoelian,

It can alsoake fes that perform way worse than they have anything to. See yandere simulator for example

Feathercrown,

Undertale also has really bad code and it’s a great game

null,

But that’s not even what Stop Killing Games is about…

maxwells_daemon,

It’s one possible solution for one of the problems under the same umbrella. If you can’t or don’t want to run the servers for your online game (eg: Echo VR), just open source the server’s code and let the community keep the game running.

Goodeye8,

But even then it's astronomically unlikely to be retroactively enforced. Old games will be grandfathered in and it would apply only to future game releases.

Ledivin,

But even then it’s astronomically unlikely to be retroactively enforced

It’s not unlikely, it’s literally impossible.

null,

You don’t need to open source the code to release the server binaries.

SaharaMaleikuhm,

But you could open source it and have the community figure it out themselves

null,

Of course, but the point is that it isn’t a factor in Thor’s decision.

JokeDeity, do gaming w Rant: Valve's new Steam Deck screws speak volumes about their ethos.

When Gaben dies there will be fucking riots.

Onihikage,
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I really hope he’s cultivating at least one successor within the company to carry on his vision.

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