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jjjalljs, do games w I'm the developer of WalkScape, the RuneScape inspired fitness MMORPG where you progress by walking IRL. We're now accepting more people to the Closed Beta!

Mildly interested. Concerned about monetization. I don’t do subscriptions or microtransactions, and “pay once and you’re good” is pretty rare, probably in part because there’s ongoing costs to running a server and in part because lol most people will charge as much as possible. But that’s why the only MMO I play is guild wars 2. You buy the game and you’re good. They sell expansions every couple of years.

Also you should mention lemmy on your site where you mention discord and reddit.

Ruben,

There will probably be an offline/ironman game mode that is a one time purchase

schamppu,

We don’t have an official community here (at least, not yet). And I’m quite hesitant to add one, as we already have our hands full with Discord, Reddit and WalkScape Portal communities.

When it comes to monetisation, the model we’ve planned is what seems both the fairest and most sustainable when compared to any other alternative, which is why I chose it as our plan. You can either buy it once to gain access to the offline “ironman” mode, or pay an affordable monthly subscription to play the online mode - both of which will be free to try out, so you’ll know if it’s worth your money before paying anything.

Going with single purchases only isn’t as sustainable for an online game. It’s much harder to keep it supported and expanding it long-term (and pay for servers) if we’re relying on single purchases, and it would tie us into needing to plan expansions that bring extra revenue to keep things running. By having an affordible subscription, we can keep content coming rapidly without needing to consider what kind of expansion pack and price tag do we need to put these new features behind, which I feel is much better from both game design and player perspective.

Microtransactions and ads are something I’ve clearly stated we’ll never be doing, as those also compromise game design and are predatory or come with privacy concerns.

cows_are_underrated,

I really like the thoughts put into the game. However, I personally think, that micro transactions aren’t necessarily a bad thing, if you do them right. As an example for this I would call Helldiver’s. You can pay to get faster progress, but it isn’t necessary by any means. You can unlock everything with a reasonable amount of grinding.

schamppu,

But this game is tied to fitness and also has competitive elements to it. Imagine you can buy yourself faster progress here, when it’s all tied to physical activity. It would completely ruin the game and any competitive aspects in it, and devalue the feeling of achieving things in it, if players with bigger wallets gain advantage. When there’s only an affordable subscription, there’s a ceiling to spending and no one can gain unfair advantage by paying more than others.

Microtransactions overall pretty much always compromise game design. Games usually make the grind or progress much slower than what would be actually good to drive the purchases of MTX.

I’m also personally very against MTX and ads, I think they’re the worst invention in gaming and I hate when game design is now revolving around what kind of mechanics can make people open their wallets as often as possible instead of what’s fun and cool.

watersnipje,

I’m really glad to have found a fitness app made by someone with the exact same opinion as me on app monetization. I’ve been using the app since March and will happily pay for the subscription. I’m really happy to see this openness, and the fact that you still repeat this promise.

schamppu,

Thank you! The very first post I ever posted to r/WalkScape covers this and I promised that there will be no ads and no MTX, and we’re going to keep what we’ve promised. That’s also why I’ve turned down every investor and publisher, as those could compromise this by having a stake at the company.

jjjalljs,

I agree with your ideas on micro transactions here. They create a lot of temptations to make the base game worse. “Your inventory holds 12 items but for a very reasonable price you can hold 6 more!” may seem harmless but it also sucks. The game is objectively and arbitrarily worse without that transaction.

Purely cosmetic skins are a little better, but you end up taking advantage of people who buy more than they should.

schamppu,

Exactly my thoughts! I was just approached at Gamescom by somebody who was pitching me to put limits to the inventory in order to sell expanded inventory space. He said it’s cool, as it’s just selling “utility” to the player. I think it’s designing your game to be annoying so people would pay more for it, and I like to put game design over anything else. As a game developer, I’m proud of designing things well and would feel disgusted by intentionally designing crap just to make more money.

Also I think the best cosmetics in games are those you earn through gameplay, which is why all of the cosmetics (which there are a lot in WalkScape) are earned by putting hard work inside the game. And also the players are proud to put the rare cosmetics on their characters to flex that they’ve achieved something. I think that’s a lot more cool than just being able to pay real money for it.

Not to even talk about what you just mentioned here. All kinds of MTX, be it cosmetics only, really take advantage of people who can’t limit their spending. They’ll pay a lot more than they should and it encourages unhealthy spending habits.

cows_are_underrated,

But this game is tied to fitness and also has competitive elements to it. Imagine you can buy yourself faster progress here, when it’s all tied to physical activity. It would completely ruin the game and any competitive aspects in it

Okay, you got a point there. Can’t argue against this.

jjjalljs,

You can either buy it once to gain access to the offline “ironman” mod

This sounds relevant to my interests. What updates come with this? Just security? Nothing?

schamppu,

We’re planning that it’ll receive the same updates as the main game itself and all of the features (that work offline). Expansions to the game world might come at a small price so you can enter those, but other than those my current plan isn’t to restrict features, new skills or content additions to existing regions in any way in the offline version.

Also, offline version will include cloud saving so there’s no risk of losing your progress if the device is lost. It’ll cloud save when it has connection periodically while mostly keeping everything on a local save.

jjjalljs,

That sounds pretty similar to how I like Guild Wars 2, except offline. That’s cool. I signed up for the beta thing.

schamppu,

Thank you so much! I hope you’ll enjoy it!

Taser, do games w I'm the developer of WalkScape, the RuneScape inspired fitness MMORPG where you progress by walking IRL. We're now accepting more people to the Closed Beta!

Hi! Sorry if this has been answered, but this uses the phone’s built-in pedometer, right? So, if you’re running you’d get more steps/hr (without triggering anti-cheat)? Thanks! Looking forward to trying it!

schamppu,

Yes, indeed! Currently supporting only phone’s built-im pedometer, and wearable support is coming when Google fixes Health Connect.

Running is fine, and you indeed get better steps/hr due to the increased cadence.

durfenstein, do games w I'm the developer of WalkScape, the RuneScape inspired fitness MMORPG where you progress by walking IRL. We're now accepting more people to the Closed Beta!

Sounds interesting, I’ll apply. I’m a QA engineer and tester, so if i get in i’ll start complaining and suggesting :D

Pronell, do games w Andrew Greenberg, co-creator of the classic RPG Wizardry, has passed away

My first CRPG, and my only RPG had been D&D.

My dad ran a campaign for our family when I was seven or so. Original D&D, not even advanced. It didn’t last terribly long but left a lifelong impression.

I recently inserted Creeping Coins to my Curse of Strahd campaign, as a matter of fact.

It was an unpopular twist, despite the group carrying a fortune in cursed money and having nothing whatsoever to spend it on.

dethedrus, do games w Andrew Greenberg, co-creator of the classic RPG Wizardry, has passed away

My gateway not only into ‘real’ computer gaming but also D&D.

UnpopularCrow, do games w Andrew Greenberg, co-creator of the classic RPG Wizardry, has passed away

Wizardry V, The Heart of Maelstrom was probably the hardest game I’ve ever played. Without the internet to cheat, it was a incredibly frustrating challenge and I never beat it until much later when I used walkthroughs and an emulator. Great game though. RIP, Andrew.

jvw, do games w I'm the developer of WalkScape, the RuneScape inspired fitness MMORPG where you progress by walking IRL. We're now accepting more people to the Closed Beta!

I’m trying to figure out if this is the beginning of CatNet or of Mischief Elves…

obinice, do games w I'm the developer of WalkScape, the RuneScape inspired fitness MMORPG where you progress by walking IRL. We're now accepting more people to the Closed Beta!
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Put in my application for the beta last night, and grabbed Walker Patreon today :-)

I really love the vibes of this project, as someone who loves walking and needs to walk more, and someone who struggles with ADHD, and I’ve always loved RuneScape, this project calls to me haha.

I feel like my character was getting more exercise than me back then, I remember I used to spend a lot of time at the guild coal mine (with those bats), so much time that this is seared into my memory…

Welcome to RuneScape.

You swing your pick at the rock.

schamppu,

Thank you so much for the kind words and for the support, and also sounds like the game is right up in your alley!

I also spent a lot of time back in like 2006 in Falador coal mines. Maybe it’s true that the kids yearn for the mines :D

Blackmist, do gaming w Need tips, when is a non-campaign game considered 'completed'?

When you’re no longer having fun.

Blackmist, do games w Is assasin's creed origins good?

It’s decent, but a large departure from the previous games.

You’ll be doing a lot of levelling up in order to progress. Assassinations on more powerful enemies won’t be guaranteed kills.

It’s a lot more RPG-lite than the other games.

I think Odyssey was better, and very similar in structure. The only problem is it’s so long I don’t even want to look at another AC game for a while, and it was a few years ago that I played it. They all look very much the same now.

Wimopy, do gaming w Need tips, when is a non-campaign game considered 'completed'?

Just to add some even longer time goals to the other replies: you could get all achievements for games that have them. Though some of those, like the ones for Civ 6, are excessive. It could give you ideas or shorter term goals to work towards, then you can decide if you’ve had enough at any point before 100% if things get too BS.

SuperSaiyanSwag,

You’re right, achievements are excessive in some games, that’s why I don’t rely on them too much. I like the idea of short term goals though, and if those goals seem “fulfilling” then I can use them as my completion milestones.

myfavouritename, do gaming w Need tips, when is a non-campaign game considered 'completed'?

I play a lot of board games. And I own a lot of board games. Not all of my games get played very much, so I like to track each play and over time see which games are forgotten gems or which games I’d be best to just trade away.

In the board game community, you might come across people talking about the “Friendless” metric of their collection. It’s a totally made up measurement, invented by a person with the user name Friendless. In that way, it’s like the Elo rating in chess and other games. I find it’s useful to know when I’m “done” with something that doesn’t really have an end, like playing board games. You can always play one more game.

Friendless hypothesized that if you play a game 10 times, you’ve gained 90% of its remaining utility. So after 10 plays, you consumed 90% of the game play that game provides. After another 10 plays, you’re at 99%. By the time you reach 30 plays, you’ve consumed 99.9% of the game.

You can do the same with games. Maybe the number of plays changes a bit. Maybe it’s not the number of plays, but the number of hours. I would say that games of Civ are like games of any other board game: 10 = 90% utility gained. Matches in COD, probably not the same.

SuperSaiyanSwag,

Thank you! I also have a big board game collection, and that sounds genius and fun, I will start doing that with board games. And I can also see it being applied to some games.

Marighost, do games w I'm the developer of WalkScape, the RuneScape inspired fitness MMORPG where you progress by walking IRL. We're now accepting more people to the Closed Beta!
@Marighost@lemm.ee avatar

I’ve been playing since the last round of beta invites, and I love it. Everything’s pretty intuitive so far, and I find myself moving around more to give me those steps. Can’t wait to see what comes next!!

moonpiedumplings, (edited ) do games w Recommendation engine: Downvote any game you've heard of before

Aw yeah! This is where my knowledge of absurdly good but extremely niche games comes in. I think I’ll make multiple replies to this comment.

Chronosphere

Think enter the gungeon combined with superhot, but simplified a lot. It’s a turn based bullet hell, and an excellent arcade game playable in the browser.

EDIT: I’d also like to take this oppurtunity to talk about flashpoint. Flashpoint is a massive archive of basically every flash game and animation, and you can even play them again.

However, in addition to flash projects, I also noticed that flashpoint also archives HTML/HTML5 games… but only a subset of them. Although flashpoint’s primary purpose still is as a flash archive, it can also be used as a curated list of HTML5 games.

Here is a website that lets you search the flashpoint database

moonpiedumplings,

Swarm Simulator

Open source idle game, playable in browser. No clicking, just watching numbers go up.

moonpiedumplings,

A Dark Room

Open source idle game, but not quite. It eventually expands beyond watching numbers go up, into a sort of roguelike, where you can wander the world and collect stuff. And die. Die a lot.

A Dark Room was where I first saw the @ symbol used to represent the player character.

moonpiedumplings, (edited )

Gridland

Also by double speak games, and open source gridland is a variant on the match 3 style. During the day phase, you accrue and store resources, and build stuff. During the night phase, you fight.

moonpiedumplings,

Ember Skull

Fun arcade bullet hell survivors (think vampire survivors) type game. Dodge bullets, and survive as long as you can.

moonpiedumplings,

The glitched attraction

A fnaf fangame that is close enough to feel like fnaf, but has a twist: Every single level also involves a puzzle. While trying to survive enemies fnaf style. Although I’ve never played this game, I LOVE watching it on Twitch. I like to call it “Human’s can’t multitask: The Game”.

moonpiedumplings,

The Game

Absolutely obligatory, the simply named “The Game” is a work of art, and truly a life changing experience. You’ll never think about things the same after experiencing “The Game”.

moonpiedumplings,

Code Romantic

Learn the pleasures of loving another human, and the pain of being a programmer — at the same time!

moonpiedumplings,

Touch Some Grass

A wonderful and life changing experience.

I like to link it without the ending title, like store.steampowered.com/app/1944240/ because it’s funnier when people can’t see the game title in the link.

moonpiedumplings,

Warfork

Fork of the older warsow, open source movement shooter. Think quake.

Sadly, it seems to be dead on steam.

moonpiedumplings,

Bonk.io

A simple but elegant io game. You are a ball, and you want to knock other balls to the ground.

One thing I like is that rounds in small, 4 person lobbies, rather than the massive worlds of other io games. Although you can’t really make friends, you can know personas, and it’s more personable.

moonpiedumplings,

Mole Mania

Gameboy puzzle game. Very high quality.

shrodes,

Always love to see Mole Mania get some love. One of Shigeru Miyamoto’s earliest titles he worked on also

moonpiedumplings,

Cave Noire

Gameboy roguelike that is simple, but very elegant.

Sadly, since romhacking went down, I don’t think it’s possible to find the translation patch for it, unless they uploaded it to the internet archive.

moonpiedumplings,

Spent

A short questionaire game that demonstrates the difficulties of poverty.

Lightsong,

Spent

This game hurts, got a bit of water in my eyes. Hit me in feeling bruh.

moonpiedumplings,

Keep Out!

A webgl/browser based 3d dungeon crawler with proceduraly generated levels.

moonpiedumplings,

PhobosLabs

This site has a few high quality browser games. The one I come back to is X Type, a bullet hell shoot-em up that has ever expanding enemy ship sizes, and never ends. It gets hard fast.

I also like Xibalba, which is a Doom/Wolfenstein style game playable in the browser.

The creator also did a rewrite of quake in 13 kb of javascript

phlegmy,

That guy’s seriously talented!
Among the things he’s made, he’s also made some really nice, easy to understand, high-speed compression formats (QOI/QOA), as well as a public domain mpeg decoder.

I’ve used all three for various projects and I’d highly recommend that most software developers check them out. If only for the learning experience.

moonpiedumplings,

Free Rider HD

Simple bike racing game, although the player is very fragile, which adds some difficulty. Playable in browser.

All the maps are user created content.

moonpiedumplings,

Master Archer

Addictive arcade game about archery. Reminds me of flappy bird, not in the raw mechanics, but in the way they are both addicting in the same manner.

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

this game is really fun

PunchingWood, do gaming w PlayStation's "Concord" is getting absolutely decimated into oblivion by "Squirrel with a Gun".

I’m almost certain the only reason Concord has players is because of social media incessantly talking about it. The only reason I know of the game is because of social media.

Just let it die and move on already.

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