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sugar_in_your_tea, do games w Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn't any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?

Why would they? Most people didn’t know about the petition until a few weeks ago, and I think people are largely knee-jerk supporting their favorite streamer (in this case, PirateSoftware). I don’t think there’s a concerted effort here to kill it, just people coming out of the woodwork now that it got a lot of attention.

descartador,

This may have killed piratesoftwares career

sugar_in_your_tea,

Perhaps, which I think is really unfortunate. I think he misread or misunderstood what the petition was about, and doubled down instead of taking a step back.

But he’s not going to be making a bunch of accounts on random message boards like Lemmy to try to kill it. The more reasonable argument is that some of his fans and other people who disagree w/ the petition are attacking it, not that he or the games industry cares enough to come here and spread FUD, I think regular people are dumb and emotional enough to do that for them.

mnemonicmonkeys,

Perhaps, which I think is really unfortunate.

I’m not concerned with it. I’ve looked into it a bit, and it seems like PirateSoftware ruined his own reputation. It just took his very visible cockup in that WoW raid for people to realize that he lies a lot and refuses to acknowledge when he’s wrong.

I think he misread or misunderstood what the petition was about

Possibly. I’m not going to speculate on that because it’s not really important.

But he’s not going to be making a bunch of accounts on random message boards like Lemmy to try to kill it.

I doubt it as well. I’m more suspicious of corporate astroturfing. And Lemmy isn’t too small of a target for it, since astroturfing is pretty cheap.

mnemonicmonkeys,

Perhaps, which I think is really unfortunate.

I’m not concerned with it. I’ve looked into it a bit, and it seems like PirateSoftware ruined his own reputation. It just took his very visible cockup in that WoW raid for people to realize that he lies a lot and refuses to acknowledge when he’s wrong.

I think he misread or misunderstood what the petition was about

Possibly. I’m not going to speculate on that because it’s not really important.

But he’s not going to be making a bunch of accounts on random message boards like Lemmy to try to kill it.

I doubt it as well. I’m more suspicious of corporate astroturfing. And Lemmy isn’t too small of a target for it, since astroturfing is pretty cheap.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Yeah, I haven’t found a reason to care about PS beyond showing courtesy to people who went out of their way to provide receipts for their claims. I also haven’t seen enough to warrant ruining his life. That’s about as much effort as I care to spend here.

The bigger concern is what happens at the EU. Surely that’s where corporations are going to focus their energy, because it’s a lot easier to convince some bureaucrats than millions of gamers. Sure, some negative press helps, but the real impact is made by lobbyists.

descartador,

Why not? He’s done that in other plataforms

sugar_in_your_tea,

Do you have specific examples of him making multiple accounts to amplify a message? If so, that would certainly change my opinion of him and would explain a lot of the unsubstantiated claims made here.

descartador,

I don’t consider this as evidence, but maybe you find it entertaining: youtu.be/1YYNAruSye4

sugar_in_your_tea,

Interesting.

So TL; DW for anyone that made it down this far: PS’s mod made a Twitch alt presumably for the purpose of buying bits to keep a hype train going. Whether this is legal or consistent with the Twitch TOS is debatable.

originalucifer, do gaming w Looking for a "classic" RPG with solid plot (Steam Deck)
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

one of my all-time favs is an ancient one.. phantasy star II. you'll need the sega thing on steam to run it...

the story is good, graphics are very stardew valley.

the only negative aspect from your list is some minor grinding and the randomness of bumping into creatures.

pathief,
@pathief@lemmy.world avatar

I was definitely looking for something less ancient xD Solid suggestion, regardless.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Phantasy Star 4 is also very good and worth checking out, if you’re going back to the early 90s

originalucifer,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

i will check it out! i was not impressed with PS3 back in the day... too scripted.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Yeah, it seems the general consensus is to skip 3. I wonder how the 2000 era Phantasy Star games fare (not counting PSO)

aksdb, do games w What are the best free mmorpgs for a beginner?

If you like Lord of the Rings: Lord of the Rings Online is extremely nice story wise. It’s an old school MMO, but that shouldn’t shock you when you only know old school ones anyway.

If a low initial fee is fine, wait for Elder Scrolls Online sale. You can regularly get the base game for $5 or so. It has no forced monthly cost so those $5 are worth hundreds of hours or quest content.

EvilEdgelord, do gaming w I think my backlog could sustain me for a long time.
@EvilEdgelord@sh.itjust.works avatar

No, the reason I started playing my backlog is because I ran out of money to buy new games.

Coelacanth, do gaming w Looking for a "classic" RPG with solid plot (Steam Deck)
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

Games that I really enjoyed:

  • Final Fantasy 7 through 10
  • Final Fantasy 5

So… did you skip FF VI or did you specifically not like it?

pathief,
@pathief@lemmy.world avatar

I played it recently-ish but didn’t enjoy it. There are a lot of characters and the story is constantly moving between them. I didn’t enjoy that.

Coelacanth, (edited )
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

Interesting, it’s my absolute favourite personally. I don’t hear many people dislike it.

On the subject of pixel art retro styled RPGs though I want to make a case for https://store.steampowered.com/app/1069160/SKALD_Against_the_Black_Priory/. It doesn’t have voice acting, but otherwise should satisfy your demands given you say you tolerate pixel art. It’s very short for an RPG (16-20h) but that also means it’s very concise, has no filler and no grinding. Should play well on a Steam Deck too. I played it back in January I think and had an absolute blast with it. Cool story and world building, fun somewhat simple combat. Very enjoyable.

EDIT: though there is some dice rolling in dialogue, so maybe that’s a no go.

pathief,
@pathief@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t hear many people dislike it.

I know it’s a totally unpopular opinion, I know FF6 is often rated as the best one of the series. Just didn’t click for me.

I’ll check out ot Skald, thanks!

cafuneandchill, (edited ) do gaming w Looking for a "classic" RPG with solid plot (Steam Deck)

I think you might enjoy the Atelier series. There are a lot of games in the series (~26 entries); Barrel Wisdom gives a good breakdown, but, generally, Atelier Ryza is a good starting point

nesc, do gaming w Looking for a "classic" RPG with solid plot (Steam Deck)

Don’t know if by dnd mechanics you mean any games inspired by tabletop rpgs or not and most of the gamesin your list being jrpgs. Age of Decadence is one of my favorite with interesting setting, Serpent in the Staglands is another one. Not exactly a rpg but interesting no truce with the furries Disco Elysium.

woodenskewer, do games w The Steam controller was ahead of its time
@woodenskewer@lemmy.world avatar

I wanted to like this thing so bad. I tried it so many times I just cannot get used to the trackpad for anything beyond top down environment or platformers. Once I need a second joystick as an input it was game over.

Alwaysnownevernotme,

I had a setup for fromsoft games that activated the gyro when I touched the track pad. So I could swipe the pad for fast camera turns and use the gyro for fine aim. My steam controllers battery terminals were both damaged by cell bursts though. I miss the camera agility now.

dualpad,

How did you use the touchpad. My approach has been to adjust the sensitivity of the touchpad until an edge to edge swipe does a 180, and for gyro having a 90 degree rotation of the controller do 675 degree rotation in game for first person and 450 degrees for third person. Made it a consistent aim experience no matter what game I played as long as the mouse input in the game was good and didn’t do things like emulate a joystick causing negative acceleration.

And for the right touchpad I set a dpad modeshift with an inverted outer ring bind so clicking up, down, left, right, center output different inputs so I didn’t have to reach down to the facebuttons as often. And depending on the game I’d set up a chord so holding the left grip and clicking would output a different set of 5 inputs.

And I just saved the template so I didn’t need to set it up all the time.

Liked it for Doom Eternal, since I could activate gyro, swipe the camera to quickly turn, and click to swap between weapons every shot to bypass reloading all on the right touchpad.

And pvp games like The Finals clicking the right pad to switch through gadgets and using the touchpad to quickly turn and activate gyro, and not feeling like my inputs were too slow versus mouse users. And not having to bother with aim assist.

noobdoomguy8658,
@noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org avatar

And pvp games like The Finals clicking the right pad to switch through gadgets and using the trackpad to quickly turn and activate gyro, and not feeling like my inputs were too slow versus mouse users. And not having to bother with aim assist.

Mind sharing the setup, please? I’ve played The Finals on my Steam Deck and gave the trackpads+gyro a fair try, but couldn’t land a scheme that made me really comfortable and let me perform well at the same time - lots of unintentional clicks as well as not pressing shoulder buttons to activate the modifier.

Having a trackpad act like a touch-sensitive dpad with gyro felt very close to perfect, though. Just couldn’t tweak the entire scheme well enough.

dualpad, (edited )

I uploaded the config for the Steam Controller with the name “Dualpad with Gyro Updated…”

Problem is that if you try to use the config on the Steam Deck I don’t think it’ll work the same way, since on the Steam Deck trackpad click is set up through soft press as opposed to the physical click that the Steam Controller uses.

I did play around with trying to set up something similar in the past on the Deck touchpads and did it through action layers instead of mode shift. Set it up so that clicking the touchpad switched to the action layer where the touchpad was set up as a dpad that I had stuff mapped too, and release press removed the same action layer to return back to the default action set.

imgur.com/…/steam-deck-dpad-modeshift-workaround-…

But, when I did this workaround modeshifts weren’t available in the current UI yet, so maybe a normal dpad modeshift setup would work on the Deck pads now. This was how I set it up in the old Steam Input UI youtu.be/4vN1Jj7EPZk. If not then action layer approach is the other method.

Update: so I decided to try it on the Steam Deck and I was able to set up a dpad modeshift on a pad click and even get the chord function to work so the inputs change if I hold one of the left back buttons. Only issue is I couldn’t find a way to adjust the pressure required to register a click for the touchpad when it came to the modeshift pad click.

zero, do games w What are the best free mmorpgs for a beginner?
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I played Albion for a bit, it's quite fun and its free to play. I just started WoW Classic a couple of weeks back and I have never played it before, not too difficult and like some have said its free until level 20.

oyzmo, do games w Looking for a local co-op game to play with my SO (Steam Deck)
@oyzmo@lemmy.world avatar

Would be great if you updated this post with new games you enjoyed 😊

pathief,
@pathief@lemmy.world avatar

We got a puppy so gaming has been pretty much non-existent… We did try a few games, but none of them were good enough for me:

  • Phogs: felt very repetitive
  • Unraveled 2: Can’t really say what turns me off but it really doesn’t spark joy for me. The puzzles just feel uninteresting and with no purpose.
Malix, do games w Day 371 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing
@Malix@sopuli.xyz avatar

ah, Runescape. The version I played aaaages ago is apparently now called “Classic”. The only thing I (barely) remember from those times are my massive piles of Kebab -items in my inventory, they were dirt cheap as healing items, but they did have a chance of dealing damage when eaten, instead of healing. :D

abbotsbury, do games w Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn't any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

No, there was definitely some criticism before. Prior to this month, it wouldn’t be unusual to hear people complain about how it would destroy the live service market and was therefore Bad Actually for games and game preservation

The topic getting much more mainstream just brought all those people with.

rumba,

There are a handful of concerns from insiders are that somewhat valid, more or less things to be careful about when trying to sort out how to make this fair and reasonable to both sides.

You can ponder how long from shutdown of an online server until the companies IP is no longer worth anything because they have to give up keys to playing it without subs. Same goes for anti-piracy. If A goes under and is bought up by B, how long is that timer before the assets aren’t worth anything anymore.

But all those concepts get thrown the hell out the window when CEOS stick their fingers in their ears and start stamping their feet and shouting “nothing is written in stone” “at some point the service may be discontinued” “Nothing is eternal” when in fact all those problems can be solved. Fucking tone-deaf asshats. Costs you money, sorry nothing is eternal. Costs them money, ohhh noooo can’t do that it might cost money.

When you launch a title with online requirements, you have to escrow or insure the servers for X months and escrow code. When you sell or fold, you then have X months to work out a new buyer or maintainer. At the end of X months. you either keep the game online through other means (sales) or provide server binaries, serverless binaries, or details/code to keep the game running indefinitely.

Zwrt,

The implication that “games as a service” is somehow a positive for game preservation is its own kind of illiteracy.

abbotsbury,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

It makes sense if you are completely consumer-brained and only see it as “companies will make less (live service) games if they are forced to support them/let them be community supported”

pugnaciousfarter,

Isn’t that a win win tho? Less live service games?

The industry is already horrible to work in.

abbotsbury,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

No, remember, it only makes sense if you are consumer-brained

Less live service games = less consooming. Some people literally don’t care about things that are in their best interest, they will happily pay $120 for a game that has pay2win microtransactions and requires a monthly subscription and will also shutdown after 18 months, as long as there is a new one to buy after it.

pugnaciousfarter,

Well with the support that’s come from mainstream gaming influencers, I hope the opinion has swayed in the opposite direction.

mojofrododojo,
@mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

so far the only legit critique I’ve seen is the uncertainty of what this will mean to indie devs - will they be forced to sign with publishers who can assist with compliance etc., what will compliance actually look like to small shops, etc.

I will say this: the vast majority of game devs feel the same way and want to be able to play the games we paid for as well. there’s just a bit of fear of the unknown for small devs.

orenj, do games w What are the best free mmorpgs for a beginner?
@orenj@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Warframe is an unconventional mmo, and there’s actually a bit of rpg in there too, moreso than I would’ve expected coming in. It’s great fun though.

I will say the mandatory trading for weapon and frame slots is kinda annoying, but gets less annoying as you progress and get more access to better grinds.

Nighed,
@Nighed@feddit.uk avatar

Also not good if you get RSI, damn that game destroys fingers.

orenj,
@orenj@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

oh fuck i forgot about that. I had to stop playing atlas altogether because his 1 spam was brutal.

GriffinClaw, (edited )

A simple and earnest request to all Warframe players. Please Change. Your. Keybindings.

Damn near broke my pinky from pressing ctrl for bullet jumping. Had to change movement keys to ESDF and ctrl key to A.

Dont actually like playing frames where only 1 ability was viable, but I knew some who did. They’d bind that particular ability to the mouse wheel.

ImplyingImplications, do games w Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn't any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?

I have posts being critical of it from over a year ago. I’d assume most people who have criticism don’t leave a comment because it’ll get you massively downvoted and your inbox will be flooded with angry replies.

chicken,

What are the criticisms? Genuinely curious, have no idea what problems anyone might have with it, other than some quotes from the Ubisoft exec trying to act like implementing user run servers is borderline impossible

Klear,

People don’t have problems with SKG. They have problems with reading and/or comprehending what it wants.

In my experience about half the posts about it (since the start) have some dummy saying it’s unreasonable for devs to support games forever.

ImplyingImplications,

I don’t understand why there’s such a hyperfocus on petitions. The only thing being attempted is signing petitions in various countries. Every country has declined to do anything and the last hope is the EU parliament which is being treated like some all or nothing final bet. Why just petitions?

Why not directly put pressure on some of the worst offenders like Ubisoft? Lots of people are saying they’re not buying another Ubisoft game again. Cool! Start an official boycott. People who cant sign the EU petition can sign a boycott promise. It wouldn’t be binding or anything but it could create more solidarity around not purchasing their next big release. Companies care about their bottom line.

You know the hate campaign against piratesoftware? Why not do that to the official Ubisoft account instead? They’re the company that is actually causing the problem. You might not like piratesoftware but he’s not the enemy. He hasn’t killed any of his own games. He didn’t make the decision to shut down the Crew. The offical Ubisoft account shouldn’t get to post a single thing without pressure from the movement. Critical memes should be made about the company and shared on social media. The CEO shouldn’t get to speak to an audience without being booed. Companies cave to negative PR all the time.

These things can be done in addition to the petitions. Personally, I don’t think any petitions are going to bring about the change people are looking for. Governments rarely listen to them and the EU isn’t much better. There are just 10 citizens initiatives that have passed and all their responses have been pretty lack luster. Even if the EU enacts the exact laws people are hoping for, what about everywhere else? The idea seems to be that other countries will get trickle down consumer protections. Americans are pushing Europeans to petition the EU parliament to make law changes hoping it will cause American companies to change how they sell products to Americans. It’s just such an odd strategy to me. Again, it can be done, but there’s no reason more direct action can’t be taken in tandem with the petition.

I get lots of downvotes and angry replies for this take which I’m not sure why. I can only assume people don’t like hearing that petitions are largely useless.

Dremor,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

Even if mostly useless, not doing anything is even more useless. At least that petition shows support for changes, which may influence some executive to rethink what they think is acceptable from their userbase.

ImplyingImplications,

not doing anything is even more useless.

I agree. I also think if you’re not European, you’ve not done anything. There wasn’t even a petition made in the US so Americans haven’t done a single thing, yet are the most vocal about it. That’s the part that confuses me.

Dremor,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

“Thoughts and prayers!” 😏

gaylord_fartmaster,

It wouldn’t work in the US because the movement doesn’t have lobbyists, and even if it did they would be massively outspent.

ImplyingImplications,

Yes, that’s why I didn’t suggest Americans start a petition. A boycott and/or social media campaign is something Americans could do rather than just hope and wait for Europeans to fix everything.

gaylord_fartmaster,

A social media campaign by an American is exactly what SKG is…

The EU initiative was chosen specifically because it actually has a chance to get traction there, and the market is large enough that it can’t just be ignored by publishers.

Tar_alcaran,

I have posts being critical of it from over a year ago.

Not on this account…

ImplyingImplications,

Maybe an issue with federation? Heres the link https://lemmy.ca/comment/10932620

Tar_alcaran,

I can’t see comments there, but I can see there are 16 comments. So yeah, probably.

To be fair, I only checked your posts, not your comments

radiouser,

Your apparent argument is based off (wilful?) ignorance as to which publishers other than Ubisoft take part in this sort of practice and suggesting a boycott, which fixes nothing…

alessandro, do games w Does anyone else find it suspicious that there wasn't any criticism on here about Stop Killing Games until after it hit 1.4M signatures?
@alessandro@lemmy.ca avatar

One year ago, right at the beginning of the petition, PirateSoftware came out misreading the initiative by suggesting the idea the petition was about forcing indie developer to host their server, at their expense, forever and other stupid idea on this line. A fabricated these narrative to act as the typical popular youtubers that say endlessly: “this is st0pid, they are st0pid”. The fabricated narrative confused other popular YouTubers with mixed feelings; and there was very little support. This assured PirateSoftware the first place on the youtube rankings when you search for “stop killing games”, plus had lot of kids brainwashed into thinking " this is st0pid". This kind of criticism never went away completely, the were partially silenced by the very recent roaring as people understood correctly what it was actually about. As SKG keep hitting its milestone the angered roar did lowered, so now you can ear again the “this is st0pid” team

Luffy879,

You can swear on the Internet. The same way I can say that I want to spray pepper spray on your private parts. And you can then cry about me because I said the big bad stupid word, so I have to una1iv3 myself.

beejboytyson,

I mean, if you wanna KYS because people called you shitty for saying you’re going to do a shitty thing. Then maybe…

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

The same way I can say I want to spray pepper spray on your private parts

That’s assault, dumbass. Swearing is fine; threatening someone is a crime. And because you specifically mention their privates, that makes it sexual assault.

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

That’s not a-salt, that’s a-pepper!

deltapi,

For the sake of semantics, there is a difference between saying “I want to” and “I will” when it comes to threatening, and it’s on par with how saying “in my opinion” can save you from liability due to slander.

“I want to” isn’t a threat in the eyes of the law. Well, American law anyway.

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