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otp, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

The less someone actually plays games, the more this idea will make sense to them.

Gamers, especially older gamers, will know this is a BS metric.

Bakkoda,

4k+ hours on path of exile. I played D2 probably more hours than my kids have been alive.

Moneo,

“We were going to charge $60 but then we added 40 hours of tailing side quests so now we’re charging $120” - Ubisoft.

Hours of gameplay is a god awful metric and only a corporate dipshit could utter such a stupid fucking sentence.

echo64, do games w ‘Cyberpunk 2077’ Used AI For A Dead Voice Actor’s Performance, With Permission

With permission from the family. Not the owner of the voice, who can’t speak for themselves anymore, obviously.

Whilst I think most people feel like this is the one exceptional case where we will be okay with this, I feel like every exec is seeing it, and the community reaction to it, and saying, “So it is possible”.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

And we get into why everyone is striking. We’re all okay for normal use cases like this, but execs are like “we’ll pay you for 3 hours of work, then build a model and then do 180 hours of voice from that model. And you’ll say thank you for the opportunity”

Aielman15,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

I wouldn’t want my family to make decisions for me after I die, and I think that’s even more true for actors.

“Can we use your grandpa’s voice?”

“No.”

“For fifty bucks?”

“Sure, take it”

Tempotown,

Who would you want to make decisions for you when you die then? Keeping in mind saying no is still a decision.

Aielman15,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

Nobody. I died, leave me alone and ask one of the thousand actors out there who are still breathing.

Stovetop,

I dunno, once you’re dead nothing else really matters anymore, does it? You’re not a person anymore, so why would your opinion matter? If my family can use my legacy to make money for themselves, I would just be happy knowing they’d be a bit better off once I’m gone. And if they choose to protect the right to use my voice/likeness after I’m gone, I’d prefer that they do so because of their own personal beliefs, not because they believe they have to do so for my sake.

Hadriscus,

It matters to society, in the same way funerary rituals aren’t for the dead, but for the living

DoomBot5,

Make a will.

AnonTwo,

I feel like that answer is for you and you alone, and not for actors in general. Personally I don't really see why I would be worried about this after I die (after all, I'm dead ), and if it helps my family a bit then it'd probably just make me rest easier if anything.

rimjob_rainer,

Well the person is dead anyway, it’s not like dead people care in any way.

EveningNewbs, do games w ‘Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League’ Ends Its Weekly Updates

Nature is healing.

ampersandrew, (edited )
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Not until Helldivers 2 dies too. I was tricked into thinking it was healing, and then that game exploded.

EDIT: The truth hurts, but that’s still a live service game that’s actively working against the interests of consumers and preservationists. The more money and playtime people give it, the worse this situation gets.

Katana314,

I still don’t think the enemy is “all live service games” exactly. A lot of us have a style of gameplay we enjoy that makes us go “That was fun! I want some more of it.”

Just that Rocksteady made singleplayer games well, and their poor shift just informs us that not all games need to be live service, especially when the gameplay shifts to something no one likes in order to achieve Number Go Up (similar situation with Gotham Knights)

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Number can go up without being tied to a server you don’t and can’t control. Those games still get made, from Titan Quest to Borderlands. Nothing about the gameplay loop of Helldivers offends me; the totally unnecessary forced obsolescence does. The thing that makes it a live service game is the thing that makes it incompatible with surviving for more than a few years without an Act of God, like Knockout City. I also hate that people have been trained into differentiating “single player” and “live service”, as though multiplayer must inherently be this way when it doesn’t have to be. A live service game is just an inferior version of a game they could have made that would survive offline, because it’s tied to their servers. Do you think Sony could have mandated a PSN account after the point of sale if it was available DRM-free and allowed you to run your own servers?

TachyonTele,

There is some hope for these games. For example Shadow of War works perfectly fine now and doesn’t have any of it’s “battle pass” stuff in it anymore. It can happen.
Rarely.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

If Helldivers 2 gets updated to work offline, including multiplayer, I will no longer wish for its death. I just don’t think that’s at all likely.

caut_R, do games w Report: A Marvel 6v6 Overwatch-Style Shooter Is Coming

The dream duo: Suits that are out of touch with their customers and chasing trends with a multi year delay lol

Neato,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

What about a Marvel battle Royale?!

caut_R,

That’s the kinda forward thinking that I like to hear! Here‘s your 200m, you have 2 years, I expect a prototype of the ingame shop by the end of next week

Andrenikous,

I mean if it actually had good diverse gameplay per character and allowed us to obliterate our surroundings I could see it having a player base for a bit. Trying to balance it would be a nightmare for whatever team was tackling it.

intensely_human,

Any good Marvel game should definitely have heavily destructible environments.

And they need to model different kinds of destruction too, from explosions to melting to being warped or having portions teleported away.

SnotFlickerman, do games w Report: A Marvel 6v6 Overwatch-Style Shooter Is Coming
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Literally nobody asked for this.

It will likely bomb, especially if it’s as crammed with microtransactions as I fully expect it will be.

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

I heard you like microtransactions, so I put microtransactions in your microtransactions.

uphillbothways, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour
@uphillbothways@kbin.social avatar

Executives are assholes and should not be listened to, ever.

paris, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

Can’t wait for them to try this, it flops, half the staff gets laid off, the CEO steps down with a golden parachute, the CEO trades places with the CEO of another tech company, that new CEO makes an even worse decision, another half of the staff gets laid off, the new CEO gets a raise, Microsoft buys both companies, Google makes a competing game studio that gets killed before their first game release, and Apple releases their first video game for $3000 that only runs on M2 and above.

butterflyattack,

Doesn’t seem fair that some people get paid so well for fucking up so badly.

KevonLooney,

One correction:

Apple releases “iTetris” for $3000. Their fans claim it’s way better than the original. It’s the same game with only 8 levels, but you can pay extra for more.

RobertOwnageJunior,

The blocks look fancy but do EXACTLY the same thing.

xavier666,

This dude just speedran 2024 and 2025

nossaquesapao,

We’re living in a dystopia so boring that the future is easily predictable.

stallmer, do games w On Starfield And Hogwarts Legacy’s Single TGA Nomination Between Them

“One TGA Nomination between Starfield and Hogwart’s Legacy” is an odd way to say Hogwart’s Legacy got zero.

Did they just really need to get that game’s title into the story for SEO or something?

stopthatgirl7,
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I mean, he talked about both games. It seems like neither one alone was enough for an opinion article, so he wrote about both.

slazer2au, do games w Massive ‘Apex Legends’ Hack Disrupts NA Finals, Raises Serious Security Concerns

This involved a wild situation where someone was giving the pros hacks like aimbots and wallhacks as they were playing in the Finals event, effectively ruining the entire thing without anyone actually attempting to cheat.

Damn.

Blackmist, (edited ) do gaming w The Main Lesson From ‘Baldur’s Gate 3’ Should Be ‘People Hate Microtransactions’

Didn’t we also learn this from Tears of the Kingdom, or God of War, or Horizon Zero Dawn, or Dark Souls, or indeed hundreds of great selling AAA single player games?

But we also learn from the repeated success of Call of Duty, FIFA, Fortnite or any successful multiplayer games that people fucking love microtransactions.

Different players? Maybe, but I’d suggest there’s also a lot of overlap. I know lots of people that play both. People consume. Some games support the microtransaction model better than others, and those are typically the ones designed to be played in fits and starts all year, rather than completed and shelved.

lolcatnip,

I’m gonna say yes, different people, just based on my own play habits. I’ve played and enjoyed most of the big single-player franchises, but the multiplayer games don’t appeal to me much. I gave Overwatch a try because a bunch of my coworkers were raving about it, but the experience just felt shallow and hollow. They might be great if I was playing with friends in the same room (like back when I was in college), but playing with a bunch of strangers is no fun for me.

Blackmist,

I mean I stay away from the mtx games as well. But then I was raised in an age where you paid the price on the box and that was it.

New gamers don’t know better. And kids especially have all the time and hardly any of the money, they’re happy to throw $10 pocket money at a “free” game they already enjoy for an outfit now, rather than save $70 for a new game they might not like in a few months.

greenskye,

I mean tears of the kingdom make $700 million + and Diablo Immortal made 525 million in it’s first year despite being almost universally rebuked online. Really seems like micro transactions have a really solid, if maybe not top tier return. Lots of companies try to make something like Horizon Zero Dawn and it totally flops instead.

Blackmist,

There’s a lot of games that go with the free with mtx model that flop as well. eFootball comes to mind. They had decades of experience with Pro Evo Soccer, their only real competitor costs $70 and is still laden with microtransactions, and it still couldn’t get off the ground.

None of these games are cheap to make, and they’re certainly not cheap to market.

bankimu,

I have not heard of it yet. Sounded intriguing. But a quick search of “eFootball” took me to a mobile game, with in-app purchases - not looking good and I am staying the fuck away. If they really don’t have mtx then they are doing something very wrong.

Blackmist,

Not sure which part of my post lead you to think they don’t have mtx. They very much do.

I was using it as an example of an expensive flop on that side of the spectrum.

bankimu,

Oh my bad then I read wrong in my sleep 🫣

acastcandream,

or indeed hundreds of great selling AAA single player games?

It’s important to note that the amount of single player AAA games has greatly diminished overtime. Most of those “hundreds” you’re referring to are not in the last 10 years, and the big bucks have been in live service. So yeah BG3 did great but it was a huge, 6+ year gamble ultimately. I WANT those gambles, but businesses would rather push out cheaper games at a faster clip because they make money. People still buy them and they still pay for DLC/MTX like crazy. It’s hard to compete against that.

sirdorius, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

I’ve often come across this sentiment in Steam reviews and it’s very reductive to judge games based mainly on this metric. Getting older I have less time for videogames and I value shorter games more. There are games that are extremely valuable because of their high quality even if very short, like the first Portal.

This is why we have companies like Ubisoft trying to game the system constantly with low quality content to pad the game to 100 hours or whatever is fashionable in open world these days. I will take 6 hours of quality single player anytime over 100 hours of AssCreed grinding and ridiculous ‘story’

filister,

I also have less time to game, but I sure as hell don’t want to play shorter games. I like to play games with good stories, who are engaging and with fun play. Witcher 3 is a prime example of how even the majority of the side quests can be meaningful and not feeling too generic. I also enjoyed the last of us part 2. And I usually feel sorry when I finish a good game.

And shorter games should naturally command a lower price which isn’t always the case.

wim,

I don’t know if shorter games should command a lower price. It depends on the value you get out of it.

filister,

It is debatable, but would you pay 70$ for a 2-hours game and another 10x70$ for DLCs and expansions that would extend the original content?

But this also doesn’t mean that you should feel your game with generic content in order to make it longer either. It is a fine line but I know that I would have a real problem justifying 70€ for 2 hours of game content without replayability, even if the game is amazing.

sirdorius,

And shorter games should naturally command a lower price

This is exactly the thing that doesn’t make any sense. Should The Last of Us be priced at a fraction of The Witcher 3 because it is shorter? What about Bioshock? It’s half the length of The Last of Us 2

Ugetsu, do gaming w The Main Lesson From ‘Baldur’s Gate 3’ Should Be ‘People Hate Microtransactions’

People hate them so much that it became the most lucrative way of monetizing games ever.

Diplomjodler,

Yeah, that statement is so dumb. Even if it’s hugely successful, a game of this type is made for a niche audience. That niche audience does hate microtransactions but they’re in no way representative of the mainstream.

EremesZorn,

I think, with 700k concurrent players, we need to recognize cRPGs may not be as niche as we previously thought. However, your point stands: this isn’t going to hurt anyone’s revenue from MTX.

Diplomjodler,

Compared to the hundreds of millions that play mobile pay to win games, that’s still niche.

SkullBoi, do games w ‘Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League’ Ends Its Weekly Updates

Feels so good to see a live service cashgrab fail

Princeali311, (edited )

Their apparent solution to this is more live service games (at least from a few weeks or so ago).

Edit: Link pcgamer.com/…/warner-bros-aims-to-increase-focus-…

TachyonTele,

“If at first you don’t succeed. Fail, fail again.”

Annoyed_Crabby, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

I agree, that’s why i think Take Two owe me $23 because i finished GTAV in 37 hours.

Though i hope Wube, Bethesda, and Fromsoft won’t bill me for my playtime…

Zeth0s,

I played 3 GTAs, and I only enjoyed gta 2. They owe me money

ashok36,

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nyandere,

I am certain they will count achievements in the playtime.

echodot, do games w GTA 6’s Publisher Says Video Games Should Theoretically Be Priced At Dollars Per Hour

Ok so somebody should ask this CEO how he expects gamers to pay potentially $200 per game.

What an idiot, games are priced at what the market will bear and they’ve pretty much reached that limit now.

Seasoned_Greetings,

When you get paid in 6-7 digits annually, ideas start to form that the peasants aren’t paying you enough of their 2 digits.

He’s out of touch and thinking about profit, like the blizz ceo pushing games-as-a-service

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

What are you, a weenie?

https://i.redd.it/vt177e57gju81.jpg

Meowoem,

Which is what he said

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