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onlooker, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

Another one of his responses to the same topic: "Code your own engine and show us how it’s done, please”

This is their seventh Borderlands game made in Unreal engine. This isn’t some fledgling indie studio that’s still finding its footing around a game engine. They have 1300 employees, they had 6 years to make this and they have 2K Games’ backing. They have no excuse to release a game in this state, but sure. Let’s blame the customers.

Oh, and I just noticed: the game uses Denuvo, because of course it does.

Deyis,

"Code your own engine and show us how it’s done, please”

Don’t need to be a fucking pilot to know that a plane shouldn’t be upside down in the trees.

ChairmanMeow, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

It’s poorly optimized UE5 slop. Looks like shit, plays like shit.

Hard pass.

I_Has_A_Hat,

Stop using slop for non-ai things.

T00l_shed,

It’s still slop, just not ai slop.

SaltySalamander,

You're not my real mom.

LongMember69,

Guess my hogs will be going hungry.

psx_crab,

Slop is a real word not made exclusively for ai

Snowpix,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

Slop has existed as a word far longer than AI has. Uses for the word slop include:

  • Unappetizing watery food or soup.
  • Spilled or splashed liquid.
  • Waste food fed to farm animals such as pigs.
  • Soft mud or slosh.
FluffMongo,

no. slop be sloppin whether it’s AI or not.

normalexit, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I played lots of borderlands 2 with my friends back in the day it was pretty fun.

Three came out, played it for a bit, but it was just more of the same and somehow worse. Then I watched that God awful movie.

I think I’m over the franchise, but maybe here in a few years I’ll pick it up for $5 in a summer sale.

Barbarian,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

I adored the presequel, did so many interesting things. The verticality, stomp attacks and oxygen masks were awesome. Also the low grav meant the maps could be way more varied and interesting.

Waited for the reviews for the third (never pre-order, always wait for reviews!) and it just seemed so… mid. Definitely happy I dropped out of that franchise when I did.

CheeseNoodle,

I found 1 and 2 were games I could both replay at least once. With 2 the only bad bit to replay is bricks area where the devs just spammed a ton of very spongy enemies in a big map. 3 had more fun vault hunters mechanically but even during the first playthrough so much of it feels like filler content (like literally ALL of Hammerlocks area) and the final boss is somehow even more dissapointing than BL1, trying to play through a second time is at least 2/3 “Oh god not this bit again”.

WorldsDumbestMan,

It was out free, but had some spyware or something, so I refused it for free…

zecg, do games w Star Citizen fans sigh deeply, rub their foreheads as developer casts doubt on Squadron 42's 2026 release: 'I don't know if we're going to make it'
@zecg@lemmy.world avatar

The big problem is how to make it fun for those who are not space nerds. They are making a game for hundreds of thousands of players with a budget of a game for tens of millions. They are getting funded for a feline-shaped bag, once it’s out chances are it’ll be so aggressive, mangy and moody no one will want to play with it. Aiming at a reticle projecting where the enemy will be when the shots land for 30 hours with occassional explanations by hollywood b-listers is not everyone’s cup of space tea.

PieMePlenty,

Yeah… all I wanted was Freelancer 2.
Then I realized, Microsoft had to step in, get rid of Roberts so Freelancer could see the light of day. And it dawned on me, we’re not seeing Freelancer 2 from this guy.

kilgore_trout,

No Man’s Sky is the modern closest to that Star Citizen wants to be.

enbiousenvy, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash

Meh I’ve been feeling that since 2018, release of RTX cards and raytracing marketing hype. Since then my perception towards AAA games have become harder to reach; require newer hardware, bigger disk space, better internet to download and more expensive price.

Though that already happen for a decade maybe. Battlefield 3 and 4 all DLC require 40-60 GB download. That would eat about 10 hours download.

yolahermanto, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

It's sad that a lot of devs just make their game and then slap frame-gen on it and then release it. Like who cares about optimization. Not that I blame them, people still buy those games full-priced, so...

eatCasserole,

Who even has time to play full price games? I have enough unplayed games piled up in my steam/epic/gog libraries to keep me busy for decades.

PrivateNoob,

Well a surprisingly lot of people. Just a guess but maybe this is the main or only hobby for a significant amount of buyers?

Truscape,

Even so, the steam hardware survey seems to indicate that the vast majority of users wouldn’t reach specs to enable developer-approved framegen anyway. (Unless you count Lossless Scaling).

We’re kind of going full circle back to the paradigm of “You are judged on your entry level as much (or more) than your high end [gameplay performance]”.

Cocodapuf,

people still buy those games full-priced, so…

Wait, does nobody pirate games any more? I don’t think I bought a single game until I turned 25.

philosloppy, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

borderlands

premium

lol

lmao

rofl

sad_detective_man, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash

Let’s pretend that it runs. Would I even want to play it with the dialogue turned on?

djsoren19,

From the reviews I’ve seen, it actually seems like they listened to complaints about three and have toned down the cringey dialogue.

Of course, nobody can get the damn thing to run, so hard to independently verify, but it seems like this entry was meant to be a triumphant return to form, far closer to BL2 in tone and style than BL3.

It’ll maybe be worth checking out once the inevitable Game of the Year edition goes on heavy discount in like four years.

sad_detective_man,

Well that’s good then. Maybe it might make my “buy on sale” list. You’re right, not worth buying these until the dlc is all out and discounted

scintilla,

The story is really good so far have beaten 1/3 guys to get the things (trying to not spoil for those who know nothing). I have been having a blast. Only crashed after a hotfix then a second one came out and fixed it as far as I can tell.

The specs required make no sense though it doesn’t look that much better than 3.

_spiffy, do gaming w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash
@_spiffy@lemmy.ca avatar

My mid range 4 year old PC must be hella premium. Because I’ve had no issues playing it.

ApatheticCactus, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I just got a new GPU, and they gave me a coupon for the game for free. My system should be able to run it great, but I’m not even sure how good it actually even is. All the reviews I see all look like paid reviews or early access folk, or people that claim to love it to justify their overpriced rigs.

I loved 1 and 2, and then the series went downhill for me. Now I guess I have 4 but might wait a while to play it because I know a ton of patches are coming. Besides, there are a ton of other great games on my backlog that I’d much rather play with my limited free time.

stringere, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

Bought it to try n Linux. I don’t have the greatest video card but I can play Dune: Awakening, Helldivers 2, Monster Hunter Wikds, Avowed, Black Myth: Wukong…

Borderlands 4 was stuttering on the barely animated character select. I lowered settings all as low as possible and it was still unplayable with delayed/missed input and stuttering.

AdolfSchmitler, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

How tf do companies get to say this shit and still be in business?? Are there that many people who just blindly bend over and take it?? Don’t people have standards anymore?

Flamekebab,
@Flamekebab@piefed.social avatar

Most of their customers don't listen to them. Not hear and disregard, never listen in the first place. Have no interest in game industry gossip.

psx_crab,

Yes. It’s in the top selling list in Steam and have 300k concurrent player top. People give him power to say that.

frongt, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

Is Borderlands really all that popular still? Like I remember seeing the first few games everywhere, and people talking about them, but that was years ago. I realize I’m biased but I would expect to hear something about them…

funkless_eck,

1 was fresh and new

2 was fantastic

prequel was OK

3 tried too hard and was generally average to poor

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe he could try to make another TV series.

Atherel,

Does 1 get better? I have 1 and 2 from a bundle years ago and started the first game. It’s sooo boring, like all the bad stuff from an mmo but single player. I don’t want to walk from a Hub to place A multiple times and just the spawning mobs change based on the quest.

Or if 1 doesn’t get better, can I play 2 without losing to much?

funkless_eck,

yeah it’s a little bare bones, it’s not worth more than a single playthrough really. Because the events of 1 are expanded on in 2 and some of the story beats land a little better if you knew the characters from 1 it’s worth playing once for novelty - but it being a 16 year old game it shows its age.

tankfox,

After what they did to my boy claptrap they can eat it. It’s obvious that the voice acting department is going to go out of the way to deservedly sabotage this series until it finally gives up.

mic_check_one_two, (edited )

2 was where the series really peaked. The first did some new things, and brought some fresh life into the shooter genre.

2 expanded upon it, and had a much better story. It was also in the heyday of matchmaking game lobbies, so it was easy to boot up the match finder and jump into a game with someone. Probably half of my Steam friends list came from playing this game and just vibing with people on voice chat while we ran through the side quests.

The prequel was… Alright? I’d put it about on par with the first game. It didn’t bring anything new or exciting to the table, but it was good at what it did.

Then 3 was just bad. It felt really cringey, in a “how do you do, fellow kids” kind of way. Like it was trying too hard.

And now 4 sounds like more of 3. The game sounds rushed, and the CEO’s attempting to cover for that rush makes him sound woefully out of touch. There’s no good reason that cel-shaded graphics should require a 5090 to run smoothly.

UnsavoryMollusk, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

That’s nice, he is kind enough to tell us that we should not buy his game if we do not have a monster gpu. He is only excluding a very small portion of gamers after all !

Let’s look at the Valve’s hardware survey.

Wait…

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Most popular system RAM is 16GB, and VRAM is 8GB.

Wow! Powerful specs!

aesthelete, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

Sucker game made for sucker gamers.

Are you inclined to blame yourself for the obvious failings of a gaming corporation? Smash that buy button now!

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