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RichardDegenne, do games w Vampire Survivors devs launch official wiki "free of ads, banners, and all of the junk that gets in your way"

We did the same for The Talos Principle Wiki.

The community is hosting its own MediaWiki rather than rely on Fandom.

CH3DD4R_G0BL1N,
@CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works avatar

The Monster Hunter community just did the same: monsterhunterwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

Folks finally got tired of the several horrible options and did it themselves. There’s also a discord for coordinating contributions if so inclined.

duchess,

Honorary mention of Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages, which existed as a fan documentation hub since the mid 90s.

TreseBrothers,

Same for us with the Cyber Knights: Flashpoint wiki. More devs should learn that self-hosting a community wiki for their game is not that hard.

hiddengoat, do games w Cities: Skylines 2 "absolutely cannot" have the decade of DLC features that the original game added | GamesRadar+

"We absolutely cannot have ten years of Cities Skylines 1 content done" for the launch of the sequel, Colossal Order CEO Mariina Hallikainen says in the latest issue of PC Gamer. As a result, the studio decided to focus on "those things that we feel should have been in the original Cities: Skylines, but we didn't have the time or manpower."

Anyone that's not a fucking idiot already knew this, because we understand how temporal reality works. But the whiny "everything sucks and is bad" Stephanie Sterling crowd won't care.

HobbitFoot,

But it looks like they did incorporate DLC into the sequel; it just isn’t obvious. The current implementation of extractive versus value added industry looks better than what they did with Industries. The quantity of different transit types also feels like an equivalent to a couple of DLC for the original game. I also feel like the sequel’s approach to power would also be most of a DLC for the original.

It isn’t perfect, but it looks like Collosal Order at least implemented a lot of lessons learned from the original game. It doesn’t seem as empty as C:S at launch.

chunkystyles,

I’ve played enough CS1 to know that I can’t play it any more, no matter how much content it has. Its absolutely braindead traffic AI destroys my enjoyment of if the game once a city gets sufficiently big.

The traffic AI fixes were all I needed to see to be interested in CS2.

Not_Alec_Baldwin, (edited )

I too am an Adam Something fan. 😂

Edit: the reference www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHnYod32PCk

chunkystyles,

I don’t actually get that reference.

Not_Alec_Baldwin,

Oh!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHnYod32PCk

Adam Something just released a C:S2 video where he removed roads and messed with traffic logic.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

I see a whole new generation of gamers who have grown up on these new games that they think are perfect, who didn’t see the decades of toil and crap that we did growing up. They expect everything to be the most amazing game they’ve ever seen, not understanding that perfect games are in fact, exceedingly rare. That most games have bad mechanics, quirks, boring areas, and things we put up with. But younger folks just stamp it as a “bad game” and refuse to see the nuance.

Things like games are a spectrum. There’s only 3ish games I mark as perfect. Most will have some things wrong with them. If you don’t like that, then just be content with maybe one perfect game a decade.

Frostbeard,

What three games are perfect?

stankmut,

I don’t know about the other two, but I know one of them is SimAnt.

Paradox,
@Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

I can guarantee you that if SA were released today it would be riddled with micro transactions and covered in dlc

Sandbox mode basically wouldn’t exist

HobbitFoot,

Or it would be made by an indie studio.

makingStuffForFun,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

Dessert Bus. Boulder Dash. Antix.

Pheonixdown,

While that’s true, there’s also a huge difference from like 20+ years ago when they more often than not released games as a complete functional product as opposed to a “we hit the date” buy-in beta test. Games just tend to release with less features and polish than they used to, for the most part companies will keep working on it and get it where it needs to be so the final product is comparable, but it makes for a murkier cycle, buy in at release and probably suffer or wait and try to time when it’s actually ready.

capt_kafei, do games w Valve adds "all the Team Fortress 2 client and server game code" to its Source mod tools, letting modders "build completely new games based on TF2" and publish them on Steam
@capt_kafei@lemmy.ca avatar

Wow, this is an awesome move! We are honestly so lucky that Valve hasn’t enshittified like so many other gaming companies out there.

Maestro,

That's because Valve isn't owned by investors

modifier,
@modifier@lemmy.ca avatar

Exactly.

RedditRefugee69,

This!

(upvotes are to the left FYI)

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

I would say the marketplace is a form of enshittification. They’re not burrowing headfirst into the shit like some platforms, but it’s an inevitable trend regardless.

Plus who knows what happens when gabe isn’t around any more. Best case scenario is he leaves the company to the workers as a co-op and then it has a chance to be a lasting legacy, but maybe it goes to someone who puts it up to be publicly traded and that’s game over.

zalgotext,

Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, or what enshittification is, but how is the steam marketplace an example of it?

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

The steam marketplace is an attempt to monetise the user base by creating a bunch of microtransactions and taking a cut for the store. They have created a speculative market, which is essentially gambling, and made it available to minors. This market is designed to exploit people’s psychological weaknesses.

Yes, users and devs get a cut too, and that’s better than some sites will do to you, but creating a market also has a bunch of externalities - extra problems that are offloaded onto other people and not borne by valve.

So suddenly we’ve got a bunch of scammers creating accounts to make money, which obviously can scam users, plus it generats spam, and it creates a need for user-hostile security. Now I can’t friend my kid’s account without spending money on it for instance,

Also there’s the item spam. Now when I get a notification I don’t know if it’s a community forum reply, or just more worthless junk in my inventory. The inventory could have just been a way to store game gifts and other things of actual value, now I never look at it because it’s just full of trash.

Some of these are minor inconveniences, but that’s how enshittification happens. It’s little, creeping annoyances that get worse and worse until it starts to make people look for alternatives.

And like I said, it’s not as bad as other places. Steam is still the best distribution platform out there, but it has enshittified a little bit. It has to, because the interests of the owners and the interests of the users are fundamentally at odds - more money spent means more money for the owners.

zalgotext,

Some of these are minor inconveniences, but that’s how enshittification happens. It’s little, creeping annoyances that get worse and worse until it starts to make people look for alternatives.

Ok, maybe my definition of enshittification is off then. I thought it was when some company offers some product/service for a certain price (or free), then gradually removes features from that product/service while increasing the price. Am I off?

If that definition is right, I don’t understand how the steam marketplace, a completely optional (borderline tangential) part of the steam platform, qualifies as enshittification.

And I’m not trying to defend the steam marketplace, I think it’s stupid and terrible and at minimum needs age restrictions. But like, you can absolutely just not use it and your experience using the steam platform is totally unaffected.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

That’s one way it happens, but in general the term appears to be about decline in quality for the purposes of profit-seeking, regardless of whether services were offered for free or not.

The wiki article starts with this:

Enshittification, also known as crapification and platform decay, is the term used to describe the pattern in which online products and services decline in quality over time. Initially, vendors create high-quality offerings to attract users, then they degrade those offerings to better serve business customers, and finally degrade their services to users and business customers to maximize profits for shareholders.

Other articles I looked at seem to agree with this basic concept.

And like I said, spam from scammers and inbox spam are examples of shittiness that seep in regardless of if you engage or not. There is no “no marketplace plz” option, and even if there were scammers can still send you friend request spam.

zalgotext,

Eh, maybe I’m being pedantic, but I still don’t really see how the addition of the steam marketplace is an example of the steam platform declining in quality. It was a feature that they added a long time ago, and it doesn’t interfere with or worsen the experience of buying, organizing, or playing my video games. Sure it’s a needless addition (in our opinions), but one that I can easily ignore because it’s so isolated from the main product. Plenty of other products and services out there have features that some don’t like or don’t use, but that isn’t the same thing as enshittification. And I feel like the spam would happen regardless of if the marketplace was there or not. That feels more like a moderation problem, not an enshittification problem.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Sure, if you ignore the worst parts of it that I explicitly laid out and only focus on how it makes you feel personally, then I can see how you might feel that way.

zalgotext,

I’m not ignoring anything, I just don’t agree that the steam marketplace, and all the stuff you’re talking about related to the steam marketplace, fits either of our definitions of enshittification.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Okay, I don’t understand how and you haven’t explained it, you’ve just said that you don’t personally care about it, which isn’t an argument I can respond to. You’re free to have your opinion, but I don’t see how it’s relevant here.

zalgotext,

It was a feature that they added a long time ago, and it doesn’t interfere with or worsen the experience of buying, organizing, or playing my video games… Plenty of other products and services out there have features that some don’t like or don’t use, but that isn’t the same thing as enshittification.

I have explained it though

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Yes, you ignored the worst parts of it in favour of things you could dismiss for yourself, and then you ignored me pointing that out. I’m not going to keep explaining this to you any further.

zalgotext,

The only one ignoring things is you. You’re ignoring my whole point. Which is that your personal bar for enshittification is lower than any of the definitions we’ve given in this thread, because it’s basically “anything I think is bad is enshittification”

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Your point is that the issues don’t affect the core experience, and I’ve explained how that’s wrong, and you’ve ignored it.

You’re also now blatantly mischaracterising what I’ve said.

If you want me to keep talking to you, I need you to tell me that you are actually curious to understand what I have to say.

zalgotext,

Nah I don’t really want you to keep talking to me

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

In future you can just say that rather than talking in circles and making no sense. Goodbye.

DudeDudenson,

Imagine being this salty about steam cards and C’s skins

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Yes, I’m so angry and salty that I checks notes wrote a detailed and even-handed analysis of the situation with appropriate caveats. How dare I state facts with sources and explanations of my reasoning.

I’m just absolutely raging. It’s embarrassing, frankly. I’m making a fool of myself. I can’t believe I lost control like that and said words that I believe to be true. Who does that? Unhinged behaviour. Just wild. I should be banned.

KickMeElmo, do games w "I don't know" how much Borderlands 4 will cost, Gearbox boss says, but it had "more than twice the development budget for Borderlands 3" and "it might be" $80 like some Nintendo and Xbox games

Got it, so wait for it in humble bundle or buy it once it sinks to $5.

LuxSpark,

$80 I can wait.

generaldenmark,

I mean. Of course vidya games’ gonna get hit with inflation from time to time… just like every other product…

every link in the chain, from producer to consumer needs to have an ever growing increase in profit for capitalism to work

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

ok whats your point besides outing as a shill

generaldenmark,

I don’t think I’m shilling for everything… I’ve been sailing the seas for as long as I can remember… I just don’t understand why people keep getting surprised at games increasing in price - have you guys forgotten how capitalism works?

Like do you go to your local grocery store and see that cheese has yet again shrunk in size, and increased in price, and then think “this’ll never happen to my precious videogames”?

If so, then I guess I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

just because its common doesnt mean its justified.

i see youre pirating ok. doesnt make your pro-opinion of increase due to “link from producer to customer” any more true…

the only blatant justification for n-letter company is exploitation. literally

generaldenmark,

I’m not justifying it anymore than justifying the increase in price of cheese.

But instead of spending your time being angry or annoyed at individual companies. Spend your time being angry with the system that requires the companies to have an ever increasing profit.

And stop being surprised by it, accept that this is a symptom of the capitalism, and if you want change… well, then… it will not happen by itself, and it will not start in the gaming industry.

LuxSpark,

It’s not worth $80 to me, and that’s also the way prices work. Things are worth what people are willing to pay. I’ve purchased so many games for $20 and less that have given me more enjoyment than any borderlands game.

generaldenmark,

And that’s completely fair as well, but there will be compromises… because 100DKK is not worth the same 100DKK as for 10 years ago, so as time goes by - the games you’ll be able to buy for 100DKK, will have reduced effort equally to the reduction in value of your currency

smeg,

That’s a sensible way to buy all video games

sness,

With all the dlc.

KickMeElmo,

But of course.

NotForYourStereo, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

Bitchford wishes he could be part of something that was even near a single iota of the same quality of BG3.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

he did though? borderlands 1, 2, pre sequel, and 3

desertdruid,

lol

M137,
@M137@lemmy.world avatar

I’m a Borderlands fan, but it absolutely isn’t even in the same universe of quality as BG3. Borderlands is dumb, pretty shitty and lost quality with each game. It’s mindless fun, like B movie popcorn flicks.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

mindless fun is the best quality a video game can ever have

Cethin,

I would absolutely disagree. Fun, maybe. Mindless fun? No. I’m fine with games that are mindless fun, but it isn’t what all games should strive for. I personally much prefer games that require your focus and consideration.

Mindless fun is cheap and easy. Making a game that sits in people minds for years is difficult and takes effort, but is much more rewarding. BG3, for example, is anything but mindless, which is why it’s been able to still be in conversations for so long after it released. How much do people talk about Call of Duty, even though it sells like crazy?

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

i hear talk about call of duty all the time, and especially in its heyday it was talked about pretty much everywhere. meanwhile i only hear BG3 talked about online or from my brother who’s currently playing it. so i think you just proved your own self wrong there. CoD and borderlands are 2 game franchises that are already talked about a lot. hell just look at this own post, its about borderlands

Cethin,

People talk about playing CoD. They don’t discuss the game really, and also this is being discussed because it’s news, and also because they’re being greedy and stupid. Again, it isn’t the game being discussed.

BG3 people talk about the story, the writing, the gameplay, etc. They talk about how the game is something actually made for players, to be enjoyed, not by business people to make money. They talk about the game.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

i dont get it. talking about playing a game isnt talking about the game? what sense does that make

Cethin,

Saying “do you want to play CoD tonight” is different than discussing why the gameplay of CoD is good/new/innovative/whatever.

I actually did see people discuss the campaign of the new CoD (or maybe the one before) because it was actually fairly unique for them. Other than that, the only time I hear about CoD is people talking about how much money it makes, how bad the skins are, or things like that. It holds almost no relevance in game discussion circles because everything they did well has been innovated on since then.

People talked about how smooth and responsive CoD 4 was, because it was innovating. People don’t talk about the mechanics of whatever the latest CoD is, because it’s not doing anything worth copying.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

not talking about “do you want to play cod” but hey at least people talk about it

whos talking about bg3 besides you here? i havent seen them

Elevator7009,

!baldurs_gate_3

I also see posts about it often on !games, although admittedly I don’t pay attention to the usernames of the people who make those posts, or the usernames of the people commenting. But I’d doubt the comments are all just @Cethin talking to themselves ;)

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

well you never know with turn based strategy game fan

Vespair,

People eat and talk about McDonalds every day, but that doesn’t make it haute cuisine.

Elevator7009,

Eh, I wouldn’t say even mindless fun is easy, from what I hear game dev is hard and a lot of effort and hard work can still end up in something unfun. Probably not your intention but I don’t want to devalue the efforts of people who probably want to make something to help other people enjoy a bit, that I probably don’t have the skill to make myself.

Cethin,

I’m a hobbyist game dev, and I have friends in the industry, and yeah it hard to make anything at all. I meant more that it’s easy to conceptualize mindless fun. Implementing either is just as hard really.

Empricorn, (edited )

This is as wrong as Ebert saying games can’t be “art”.

I love silly, junk-food sitcoms. But I would never say they are the best quality.

SuperSaiyanSwag,

But that type of fun is something I can get from many other games, making borderlands way less desirable if it’s $80. On the other hand if larian says that their next game is $80, I already know that I won’t find that type of experience anywhere else and I might just splurge.

echodot,

Yeah and they didn’t cost $80.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

didnt cost 70 either, like bg3

NotForYourStereo,

Damn, I’m sorry.

Hope you get to play something that isn’t pure dogshit one of these days.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

what game would you consider “not pure dogshit”? seriously, what games? give me a list, because if an acclaimed franchise that was widely praised and birthed a literal genre is considered dogshit, then what isnt dogshit?

omarfw,

borderlands wasn’t the first looter shooter. that was hellgate london.

ICastFist, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Let’s see if the physical disc once said anything about needing an online connection for single play. Oh look, it did not, the subscription required was only for 2-8 players network play.

Let’s compare with Destiny 2’s back cover, a game that is a MMO and thus “cannot be owned” by the players. Hey, a “Online Play (Required)*” sticker that is not present on The Crew! The fine print has a bit that states that “Activision makes no guarantee of regarding availability of online play or features, and may modify or discontinue online services at its discretion without notice.”

FF14 . It clearly states on the rectangular bit above the T Rating: “Users are granted only a limited, revocable license and do not own any intellectual property in the game or game data”

You deceived consumers, Ubisoft. “Online Play Required” is not there, so the game should remain playable offline.

Rekorse,

Technically right but the game required network access to play anyways so I’m not sure that people were deceived by this as it happened.

JustARaccoon,

Did you like, not read any of the comment you’re replying to? Click any of the picture links?

Rekorse,

I did and have read about it and disagree. I dont think anyone was tricked and thought they’d have the crew forever. This all seems very self entitled in my opinion. Point out any technicalities that you want to, people should have expected the game to be sunset eventually, and that it would be gone after that, just like every other online only game.

emeralddawn45,

Which was a deception in the first place, because it clearly distinguishes between ‘1 player’ where it doesn’t say anything about needing a network connection, and 2-8 player where it says network and playstation plus required. It also says network features can be removed at any time, but nowhere does it say 1 player is a network feature. It specifically does not say that.

Rekorse,

Why weren’t people upset when they first bought the game and realized they needed to be online to play it then? Why did it only become a talking point after the fact? You could argue it was shitty to make it a network only game and I might agree, but to say people were deceived and didnt realize it couldn’t be played offline until the servers were shutdown is absurd.

emeralddawn45,

They probably were upset, but not upset enough to do anything about it because they still wanted to play it. I personally would have refunded it right away, and lots of people probably also did that.

Rekorse,

Sounds pretty fair to me.

uis, (edited )

You deceived consumers, Ubisoft.

Ubisoft is being fucked on consumer protection grounds, not on false advertisement. It doesn’t matter what they said on box, they broke the law.

EDIT: fuck, this is USSA lawsuit. I thought it was French(and EU in general) one.

krinks73,

☝️ This guy lawyers

TIMMAY, do games w EA flop Immortals of Aveum reportedly cost around $125 million, former dev says "a AAA single-player shooter in today's market was a truly awful idea"

I play a lot of games but Ive never heard of this game before this post

dan1101,

Same. This seems to be getting more common with various media and products. Too many choices which is a good thing for consumers but not good for publishers.

rickyrigatoni,

“Nobody bought our game we didn’t market. Guess we’ll stop making an entire genre of games.”

Damage,

I mean, it’s my favorite genre, so if EA can stay the fuck away from it, that’s not a bad outcome

TropicalDingdong,
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, it’s my favorite genre, so if EA can stay the fuck away from it, that’s not a bad outcome

Had you heard of it?

I’ve literally never heard of it, but not my genre.

ArachnidMania,

I think they mean single player shooter is their favorite genre, and would be happy for EA to stay away from them. Not the ‘game nobody heard of’

1371113,

I’m not the person you replied to but I’ve been a first person shooter fan since Wolfenstein 3D and original doom. I had NEVER heard of it til today. First person and tower defense games are basically all I play.

JJROKCZ,

They claim to have spent 40 million usd marketing it, I saw some people on twitch playing it when it first came out but it looked meh and was priced way too high so I didn’t watch much

Passerby6497,

There are many genres EA needs to stop making, but I doubt they’ll take the right lesson from this

Salix,

From the article:

“At a high level, Immortals was massively overscoped for a studio’s debut project,” the former employee said. "The development cost was around $85 million, and I think EA kicked in $40 million for marketing and distribution…

They must have done extremely bad marketing even though they spent so much on marketing because I’ve never heard of this game

DrQuint,

They did market it. A lot.

It’s just that the game’s trailers were wildly forgettable.

TIMMAY,

I mean im on my ps5 every day, browse a ton of game related content on lemmy and such, and share a lot of game news with my friend group, and Ive literally never heard of or seen marketing for this game.

PanArab, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@PanArab@lemm.ee avatar

If buying isn’t owning then sharing isn’t stealing…

By principle I avoid “online required” games.

uis,

Avoiding doesn’t work, grab pitchforks and torches(EU citizens only).

sirnuke, do games w Acclaimed roguelike studio behind Slay the Spire releases new deckbuilder after publicly abandoning Unity over fee debacle
@sirnuke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Have they posted anything about their experiences developing this? I’m curious on their thoughts of Godot vs Unity. This might be the most established studio to ship something in Godot.

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever,

Godot is pretty heavily documented at this point. I would recommend finding videos from over a month ago (so it isn’t just posturing), but it is consistently a solid “B” engine as it were.

But the real issue hasn’t changed. Because of licensing and ideological reasons, adding in hooks for console development remains a mess. And that is not something that any company (… okay, Rami Ismail/Vlambeer would totally talk about this and burn a few bridges in the process) is going to really talk about because it is a lose lose. It pisses off the platform owners AND will be viewed as “unfair” by the fanboys.

roguetrick,

“unfair” by the fanboys

There can't honestly be a lot of them. I'm sure even folks who donated don't have that much of their personal ego wrapped up in a game engine. Not to say there aren't none, of course, because there's always people who really will cling to anything.

wahming,

I see you’re new to the Internet

simple,
Schaedelbach,

Cassette Beasts was also made with Godot! godotengine.org/…/godot-showcase-cassette-beasts/

Defaced,

Cassette beasts is so damn good! It’s pokemon, but better and unique.

ManjuuLemmy,

It’s an amazing game! I never felt pressured to collect all the beasts, but at the same time looked forward to trying to level the cassettes up! If they ever do sequels, I hope they figure out an alternative solution to what is now Pokemon’s massive design strength/flaw.

HumanitysHammer,

One of the MegaCrit devs, Casey Yano, wrote a little blog post on his experience of it: On Evaluating Godot

micka190,

That was an interesting read, thanks!

Fraylor,

Thanks for this. Good article.

EarMaster,
@EarMaster@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair it would have been interesting to read this from someone who actually liked using Unity in the first place…

CrimsonMishaps, do games w The creator of upcoming life sim Inzoi says he was "recklessly brave to even think about creating a game of this scale"

Anyone that declares that he himself is recklessly brave doing anything is a self-promoting ass.

SatansMaggotyCumFart, (edited )

You don’t understand this is No Man’s Sky meets Spore with a touch of Daikatana.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Oh, is the developer Peter Molyneux’s protoge?

darkfyre,

Not yet but that’s absolutely road map

psx_crab,

Ohh no i won’t become nobody’s bitch anymore.

Keeponstalin,

To be fair, at least No Man’s Sky followed thru with all the updates down the line. Should’ve launched like that, but at least they added it all for free after the terrible launch

harrys_balzac,

What do giant radishes have to do with anything?

tonytins,
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

Games are very difficult software to create. The only reason publishers like EA or Ubisoft can get away with pumping theirs out at an rapid (and unhealthy) pace is because they have a massive team

Cruxifux,
@Cruxifux@feddit.nl avatar

You have to understand that telling other people how brave and cool you are makes them think you’re an idiot though, right?

dxc,
@dxc@sh.itjust.works avatar

Best example is the US president

3dmvr,

Hes not praising himself, I was recklessly brave going into the lions den, isnt prasiing yourself, its admonishing yourself, like you took on some insane challenge without thinking

Eyck_of_denesle,

Am I the only one that interpreted it as him calling himself foolish?

catloaf,

No, that’s how it was intended, and how most people read it.

Eyck_of_denesle,

Some lemmy users really love getting mad xD. Can’t believe I thought I would say this but reddit gaming subs are not this bad. Idk if it’s just me but It doesn’t excite me to check the comments anymore.

tonytins,
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

You have to have a certain amount of bravery and humility to program because failure is with you at every step of the way. I know. I do this shit as a hobby.

Get_Off_My_WLAN,

I don't think he wasn't praising himself there. I interpreted it as calling himself foolish.

shalafi,

Bravery is doing a thing that scares the hell out of you. The reckless part is being brave when it’s foolish. He’s saying he was foolhardy. Probably doesn’t know the word exists.

CrimsonMishaps,

I guess it didn’t hit me that English may not be his first language so I see your point!

Ilandar,

It didn’t “hit you” that the Korean creator of a Korean video game might not have English as his first language? Yikes…

Klanky, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

It may be legal, but it certainly ain’t ethical.

danc4498,

Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should do it.

Quill7513,

i have the legal right to stand on the street corner and call everyone who walks by a stupid slut.

that does not mean i will at no point get punched

Lost_My_Mind,

Really unclear if you’re misquoting Jurassic Park, or if Jurassic Park just universally applies to EVERYTHING.

Klear,

Clever girl finds a way

GeeDubHayduke,

Hang on to your DODGSON OVER HERE!

uis,

Maybe in developing countries, but in developed world(Europe mostly) it isn’t.

Melonpoly, do games w Sony boss admits forcing PC gamers into PlayStation accounts can "invite pushback," but insists they have to keep games safe – which doesn't really track in single-player

Yes, because games without PSN accounts are so unsafe and Sony definitely isn’t susceptible to having their servers hacked.

ByteOnBikes,

Sony has a history of being terrible with security.

They literally built malware two decades ago.

Juvyn00b,

I still have an audio CD with their malware embedded. Ripped it under Linux, no problem.

NeilBru, (edited ) do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

Look, you can charge whatever you want.

“Is your game worth $80 to average gamers dealing with (gestures broadly at state of world economy)?”

That is the question every studio executive needs to ask themselves.

Given the recent trends in AAA-funded projects, for the most part, that answer is “Oh, hell no.”

goodeye8,

Exactly. They can charge $200 if they want to but it doesn't mean people are going to buy at that price. The price point needs to be where people are okay paying for it and I don't see it happening at $80. Okay, I lied a bit, I see it happening for some games but not for BL4.

SolidShake,

How do you know for certain without seeing gameplay or trying it? No one knows what’s in the game except the devs.

What if it’s OG borderlands and there’s no battle pass or microtransactions.

This is more of a don’t pre order type thing.

whotookkarl,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

What if it’s OG borderlands and there’s no battle pass or microtransactions.

Ha, good joke

goodeye8,

I'm willing to eat my words but I doubt I need to. In a world where Clair Obscur costs $50 I don't how see how BL could be $30 better than one of the best games released this year.

nuko147,
@nuko147@lemm.ee avatar

I always trying my games before i buy them.

overload,

IMO If they made a game exactly like BL1/2 with better graphics and updated gameplay, it still wouldn’t be worth $80.

BL just isn’t all that great, but fortunately the price of their games falls to what they’re worth pretty quickly.

Moose,
@Moose@moose.best avatar

If Ubisoft can convince themselves that Skull and Bones was the first “quadruple A game” and worth $70, then I doubt most studio execs can pull their heads out their ass for long enough to properly ask themselves that. Studios have completely lost touch with what people actually want and are willing to pay.

SaharaMaleikuhm,

I just think it’s funny. Big game corpos failing is just hilarious. I’m glad Larian is doing well tho.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

How in the heck would Ciri not be the main character after the events of Witcher 3? Did anyone actually think she wouldn’t be?

kinther,
@kinther@lemmy.world avatar

She is the main character toward the end. The story was great and I need to replay it

goodeye8,

She's not just the main character towards the end, she is the main character of the story. We play Geralt, who is a side character in Ciri's story.

kinther,
@kinther@lemmy.world avatar

I never really thought about it like that. Is that how the book series goes? I probably should read those as well

thedirtyknapkin,

kind of, it’s more like it starts a geralt’s story, but becomes ciri’s story. the first two books are all geralt. after that it’s about geralt and ciri’s relationship. then by the last book we barely even see geralt.

then after the series was finished he started writing more little stories from earlier in geralt’s life.

as i said in another comment. it’s downright bizarre that ciri doesn’t get mentioned until the third game. she almost makes more sense as the protag anyway.

wrekone,

Came here to say this. Anyone that’s played Witcher 3 should have already known that Ciri was going to be the protagonist in the next game. I can’t wait. Ciri is badass.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

Someone who can tame unicorns and jump through time and space is much more interesting than a berserker monster slayer.

Blackmist,

Well, unless you fucked up the choices near the end. Really not fond of CDPR’s habit of that.

wolframhydroxide,

Yeah, there were a couple of tiny decisions, any of which failed you out if you got them wrong, and several of them had deceptive descriptions during the QTE.

thedirtyknapkin, (edited )

anyone who has read the books was likely surprised that ciri wasn’t the main character of any of the games when they first started coming out :::especially since geralt dies at the end of the books :::

ciri was more the mc than geralt for most of the books. she’s the child of destiny. she’s the young character that grows up as we follow their journey. she’s the one that finds herself and shows major character development throughout the books. the only character development geralt goes through is accepting his bond with ciri.

the first two games never mentioning ciri was outright bizarre tbh. only even remotely possibly because geralt lost his memory. like, with where geralt as at by the end of the books the only thing you could possibly expect him to do on regaining his memory is frantically search for signs of his adopted daughter

to a longtime book reader my reaction to ciri being the protag of the next game was “FINALLY”

my only curiosity at this point is how much she’ll be like book ciri. does she know magic? in the books ciri goes to sorceress school and then gets trained in primal magic by unicorns and immortal space elves. can you fuck a horse? that was one of the more… questionable scenes in the book.

tangent: sapkowski’s politics occasionally bleed through in weird ways in the books. like three’s a scene where a woman finds out she’s pregnant mid way through a literal war that our band wades through on their journey to save the world. the party basically needs the woman to proceed. she does not want the child. i believe it was the product of rape. yet for some reason geralt and a literal fucking vampire convince her that abortion is wrong and she should keep it instead of drinking a potion about it. it was so randomly out of character for everyone involved. but hey, that’s catholics for you i guess… /tangent

i think they generally said that ciri lost her elder blood powers after the king of the hunt was killed right? otherwise I’m gonna be really curious how handle that as well. she should be sort of the world’s greatest sorceress otherwise. ooh, i wonder if she’ll make quips about cyberpunk and/or other worlds she’s traveled to. like, she spent Decent bit of time in Arthurian legend. she shows up briefly in Victorian London.

also, what will the world at large look like? they can’t do it like the last time where your previous save could alter the new game based on your decisions. you were simply able to do too much. they’d need to make like 3 entirely separate stories at the very least. like, who rules the north? are you the empress of nilfguard? is the church burning all the nonhumans at record pace? you can basically decide the entire fate of the northern realms and all of its people in multiple ways… unless it just takes place elsewhere. maybe we’ll be in zerrikania this time or some shit. there are many distant lands that the games never take us. it would be much more doable that way. then you’d just have to change dialogue and maybe swap out a few characters.

aaaanyway… yeah, anyone mad about her being the mc is a dumbass that doesn’t know shit about the story.

wolframhydroxide,

I was under the impression that it wasn’t Victorian London, but The Plague Year. IIRC she, canonically, brings a blanket infested with plague lice from here to there, and ends up dropping it next to the ship Catriona, which is how the Catriona plague actually gets started. It was one of those “oh shit, yes, that explains everything” moments for me when I first read the books.

thedirtyknapkin,

oh yeah, it’s been a while. details at foggy.

Trainguyrom,

She does also extremely briefly travel to Edwardian or Victorian London (I forget exactly what year it was). It’s mostly depicted through a newspaper clipping from The Sun and a rebuttle from another newspaper calling out their quoted witness for trespassing and strongly implying he was inebriated at the time and being an unreliable source. It’s quite comically written really

cactusupyourbutt,

hold up… ciri fucked a horse?

thedirtyknapkin, (edited )

no, but she kind of wanted to… but it’s also way more fucked than that. please don’t make me type it out here. I’ll just say it involves violent rape while she’s still under age. it could be construed as a trauma response, but it’s debatable… I’m not convinced that sapkowski would have known what a trauma response was when he wrote that scene in the… 90s?

can’t actuality remember which book that happened in.

Trainguyrom,

By thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world’s description I know what scene they’re talking about. It’s not great but it’s not as bad as they make out. Basically she ends up traveling for a bit with this really smarmy dude. Think incel used car salesman. He’s described as having greasy hair, he’s clearly not trustworthy and acts only in his own best interest, and is constantly trying to get into Ciri’s pants. But, he’s riding this incredible horse the likes of which Ciri has never seen before (and it turns out to in fact be a magical horse) and Ciri is just entranced by this incredible and majestic horse, and smarmy dude can tell, so he makes sure to use the horse to get Ciri to interact with him even though they both know she wants nothing to do with him and only gives him the light of day to see his horse.

Anyways smarmy dude and Ciri end up running from some bandits, smarmy dude is injured but plays down how badly, and basically uses this plus gifting her the horse she’s so entranced by to manipulate and guilt her into agreeing to sleep with him (from her perspective it’s been made clear how curious but nervous she is about sex, so she’s not entirely opposed, but it’s also implied up to this point that she’s far more into women than men) and then just as she’s starting to potentially enjoy the pity sex with the asshole but before either of them can actually get their pants off, he fucking dies!

Trainguyrom, (edited )

can you fuck a horse? that was one of the more… questionable scenes in the book.

Uhhh which book is that? If it’s the section I’m thinking of with Kelpie the horse, she’s entranced by its beauty and it’s rider/owner tries to use that to get into her pants (and ultimately died before he was successful) but I don’t believe she ever expressed sexual attraction at all to it by my memory from reading the books a couple of months ago.

the party basically needs the woman to proceed. she does not want the child. i believe it was the product of rape. yet for some reason geralt and a literal fucking vampire convince her that abortion is wrong and she should keep it instead of drinking a potion about it

The party is trying to find Ciri after her disappearance. Geralt and Cahir are having visions indicating that she’s presently in great danger and suffering (and at that she was!). Finding out while practically at the front lines of the great war that their incredible archer, Milva is pregnant completely derails their entire journey because she can’t ride, shouldn’t travel, and will need to rest in a safe area for a while (which they are at this point constantly far from anywhere safe), plus they can’t exactly bring a baby onto the battlefield they’re actively crossing. It’s one moral quandry wrapped in another. Ultimately Geralt and Cahir leave it to Milva’s decision, as does Regis the barber-surgeon/vampire who created the abortion potion.

Also it wasn’t rape. While guiding a group of elves to safety, they hid in a thicket for a night with Nilfgaurdians surrounding them and searching for them. The elves decided that since they were likely to die a horrible death at any moment that they should take the time they have to find what enjoyment they can, and Milva decided to join in. It just so happened they did not die that night and now Milva is carring a halfling for whom she does not know the fathers name (for safety no names were shared with the elves she guided)

i think they generally said that ciri lost her elder blood powers after the king of the hunt was killed right? otherwise I’m gonna be really curious how handle that as well. she should be sort of the world’s greatest sorceress otherwise.

She gave up her magic after trying to use fire as a source of power out of desperation while navigating out of the “Frying Pan” desert. She wanted to save Little Horse the unicorn after an unfortunate battle with a monster she hadn’t yet learned of, but no other sources were available. My understanding is fire as a magical source is all consuming so it is forbidden to pull from for safety reasons, but that was largely left up to interpretation.

Upon pulling from fire, she saw the imense power that presented her, the ability to rule the entire world, but also how that would hurt those she cared so deeply about, so she instead gave up her sourceress’ powers.

If you want anything to complain about in the books it should be Milva’s winging about being an illiterate farm girl that honestly was out of character and just seemed written in so she wouldn’t outshine the others

Edit: Cahir’s attraction to Ciri is also creepy as hell the way it’s written, but that might be intentional, since that’s at a point where she’s coming to realize that everyone wants something from her, everyone will tell her why she should want to give them what they want from her but nobody ever seems to care or ask what she actually wants.

Coelacanth,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

I mean, I prayed to the nether gods that we’d get a Letho game. He’s the perfect protagonist if they wanted to move away from the books and more firmly into their own OC. Always had huge main character energy, and would be perfectly suited for exploring the morally grey areas of the Witcher world.

imecth,

If anything, Ciri's the character whose story is wrapped up by the end of Witcher 3, she saved the world and fulfilled her destiny. Unlike Geralt or the sorceresses, she does get old too.

It's definitely understandable that a lot of players would feel betrayed at having Ciri becoming the MC after 3 games of Geralt. People would riot if you made someone else than Lara Croft the MC of tomb raider. A better solution would probably be a character creator for a new generation of witchers. Ciri is too powerful to be the MC.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

Isn’t the good ending geralt giving her a Witcher blade and calling her an official witcher? That to me sets up part 4. End of the day im glad geralt gets a rest. Besides they’re remaking 1 and 2 so the geralt fix will come

imecth, (edited )

There's plenty of different endings, but yeah that's probably the one they'll make canon.

The thing is Geralt is The Witcher, making Ciri the protagonist is a bastardization of the saga. Imagine that J.K rowling came up with a new book, titled it Harry Potter 8, and made the protagonist Hermione. To me this shows a real lack of understanding of their audience, people play The Witcher for the fantasy of being Geralt, of being a monster killer, of hooking up with every sorceress. But obviously IP sells, and they aren't gonna change the title of the saga to something like "child of the elder blood".

I wish them the best of luck, maybe they'll pull off a fallout 3 and reinvent themselves. But I personally will be passing on this spinoff.

Banzai51, do gaming w Starfield design lead says players are "disconnected" from how games are actually made: "Don't fool yourself into thinking you know why it is the way it is"
@Banzai51@midwest.social avatar

I may not know how the sausage is made, but I do know if it tastes good or not.

sukhmel,

No-o-o, you must offer a solution to be eligible for criticism111

!Man, this is such a lame argument 😅 can’t believe people use it!<

dillekant,

100% this. The whole process of creation and critique goes way back to the dawn of film and probably before. The entire construction of positions and job titles (creative director, design lead, etc) all draw from these theories. This requires the critique to be separate from the process of creation.

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