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notgivingmynametoamachine, do games w As The Outer Worlds 2 hits $80, director says "we don't set the prices for our games" and wishes "everybody could play" Obsidian's new RPG

Yar har fiddle dee, 80 bucks a game just ain’t for me, yar har fiddle and fat, I’ll just fucking sail the high seas numbnuts publishers, good job trading the 60 bucks I was willing to pay for the 0 you’ll be getting from me now.

And remember kids, if buying isn’t owning, pirating isn’t stealing.

boonhet, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

I’ve never read the books, but… It was clear from game 3 that she was going to play an important role in the future. The entire plot of the main campaign in Witcher 3 was about HER powers. The Wild Hunt wanted her, not Geralt.

Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!

Honestly I’d rather be looking at a cute girl dashing around than an old man, even if I identify more with the latter. Video games are for exploring things. Fantasy worlds, dragons, wraiths… And the biggest problem with suspending disbelief is playing a character who isn’t the same gender as the player? lmao.

Maybe I’m just not enough of a gamer. Only been two and a half decades or so since I first touched a computer and played games.

el_abuelo,

Tomb Raider. That’s all I’m gonna say.

Tristus,

Tomb Raider is not a woman protagonist game though, at least in the first game they wanted to have Indiana Jones but didn’t got the rights to it. So the developers replaced the assets with a female.

In whole series there is not much that makes her a woman, more like an American gun-maniac guy that looks like a girl.

swelter_spark,
@swelter_spark@reddthat.com avatar

The first game didn’t have much in the way of story. The focus was on the puzzles and adventuring. I don’t think that makes her less of a woman character. In a video game, the assets are the only difference, anyway. Not that women can’t be rough and adventurous and physical and like guns.

el_abuelo,

The protagonist is a woman.

faythofdragons,

I’ve only played Witcher 3, and I thought it was obvious that it’s Ciri’s story being told from the perspective of the supporting cast, and that is an incredibly cool literary device.

boonhet,

Yeah. I haven’t played 1 much beyond the first 10 minutes, was too janky. 2 was mostly focused on the war, with Geralt being the most important character IMO. In 3 he was no longer THE most important character, but he was a close second - out of a large cast of supporting characters that aided them on the way.

Trainguyrom,

Honestly the longform books take a similar approach, telling several very important people’s stories from the perspective of how their stories intertwined with Geralt’s and later Ciri’s

ipkpjersi,

Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!

That’s what I don’t understand, like, have people not played the Horizon games? They’re awesome, they’re fun as hell.

Glytch,

The main bullshit complaint I’ve seen about the Horizon games boils down to “Aloy doesn’t make my peepee hard”. There are dudes out there who only want to see women they can goon to.

ipkpjersi,

Something tells me their “peepee” never worked to begin with tbh.

CitizenKong,

Also, Tomb Raider. One of the most well known videogame characters is literally an ass-kicking woman.

ipkpjersi,

Yep, I love the Tomb Raider games too, I still play Rise of the Tomb Raider sometimes, it’s such a great game.

boonhet,

have people not played the Horizon games? They’re awesome, they’re fun as hell.

I have actually not. Thank you!

Evotech,

People like Geralt, they like his brooding attitude. Making. Game about ciri means they don’t get a game with Geralt. And they really want another game with him for some reason.

Idk why they blame woke though

Trainguyrom,

Cranky brooding swordsman is kinda a one trick pony. It’s brilliant and hilarious to respond to everything no matter how threatening with just a grunt or dismissive comment, but after 3 major games, it’s time for something else

Evotech,

I agree

Tristus,

I didn’t played the game or read the books but I think if you are playing a game that is called Witcher and the Witcher himself is missing that is a big issue.

Normally you would get a new game with a new title but big companies want to use the IP and think using a known title is always better than coming up with a new title.

As I said I didn’t played Witcher 3 so dunno if it makes sense, but I wouldn’t be surprised if people are unhappy when their main character is missing in the game.

zod000,

I guess if they didn’t read the books, watch the show, or play the most popular and most recent game in the series, then it is fairly reasonable for them to be confused as they won’t know shit.

dgbbad,

Ciri is a Witcher. The Witcher isn’t missing at all.

Demdaru,

I slightly puffed out out the nose in amused manner lol. The Witcher. <_>

It’s literally a job title in-universe. xD

boonhet,

Yeah so others already explained it to you, but I’ll give you a quick summary.

Witcher is kind of a job title, but to get in you pretty much join a cult that gives you mutagens that give you cool powers, but also make you infertile and I believe resistant to STDs (this is why Geralt fucks so much).

Ciri trained with the witchers of the Wolf school. I don’t remember if she went through the mutations or not, but she has elder blood so she’s already more powerful than Geralt. She’s part of an end of the world prophecy. She’s also essentially Geralt’s adoptive daughter.

By the end of Witcher 3, Geralt is getting kind of tired. There’s literally no other Witcher in the universe more deserving to be the next lead than the spacetime manipulating princess who doesn’t even want to inherit her real father’s continent spanning empire because she’d rather be a badass Witcher.

muusemuuse,

I’m trying to remember the first game I played with a female lead and I think it was portal. And that woman didn’t speak. Strangely the next was transistor and she technically didn’t speak either.

boonhet,

Female protags are rare. They used to be epic loot, but it’s getting better now.

I guess it’s Portal for me too. Then Oblivion with a female character with that golden armor from shivering isles for shiny boobs. I was a horny teen and porn was getting boring lol

ynthrepic,
@ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

She is great in the books. One of the most unique characters in fiction imho. CDProjekt did really well adapting the continuation of her story in the games.

njm1314, do games w The Witcher 3 dev says "one of the longest email threads in our company history" was about "how naked Geralt should be" in the iconic bath scene: "When he gets up, how much butt should we show?"

Same

TropicalDingdong, do games w The Witcher 3 dev says "one of the longest email threads in our company history" was about "how naked Geralt should be" in the iconic bath scene: "When he gets up, how much butt should we show?"
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

100%

And all, ideally with a

nice fruitbowlhttps://files.catbox.moe/47ze7c.mp4

Deceptichum,

The only way we could see 100% is if an invisible ghost hand spread his cheeks without blocking the view.

atomicorange,

Let’s get the writers working on it!

pntha,

so, a tropical ding-dong?

Rivalarrival,
@Rivalarrival@lemmy.today avatar
peteyestee, do games w The Witcher 3 dev says "one of the longest email threads in our company history" was about "how naked Geralt should be" in the iconic bath scene: "When he gets up, how much butt should we show?"

I was expecting it to be extremely xxx and I was let down enough to install mods.

samus12345, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

If a game is deemed “woke” by right-wing shitheads, that’s like a seal of approval for me. Now, the game might still suck, but it’s not because of being inclusive and diverse.

Rose,

If it does “flop”, they undoubtedly would chalk it up to it being inclusive and diverse though. Otherwise they just quickly move on to the next target.

samus12345,

Yup, with movies and games alike if it’s “woke” and flops they always say that’s why, when the truth is it just sucked.

Aux,

It’s a lot easier - if Americans don’t like what Europeans are doing, then it’s a great thing they’re doing!

samus12345,

Plenty of American developers are making “woke” games. This isn’t a country-specific thing. But in general, yes!

Aux,

No one cares about woke bs.

samus12345,

No one who matters does, no. “Woke” is in quotes because it’s a bullshit term.

Aux,

No, woke is bs because it’s an American crap. Remember when CDPR got under fire for not having black characters in Witcher 3?

Here are some links to refresh your memory:

That’s your typical American woke mental diarrhea.

Once again - if Americans are complaining, then Europe is doing the right thing. It doesn’t matter what type of American is complaining.

Iambus,

This is the first I’ve heard of this game being deemed woke.

overload,

Didn’t you hear? Ciri is older and therefore ugly now. The worst offence that a designer could make for a female character.

samus12345,

If a game has a non-white or non-male protagonist, it’s automatically “woke.”

k1ck455kc, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

As long as they remake the original Witcher(and maybe the 2nd one too) so i can experience it in a similarly cinematic way to The Witcher 3… I will be happy and excited to see what a Ciri-based game or even trilogy would look like.

Will definitely miss the masculine indulgences of TW3 in the Ciri game though…

BmeBenji,

If you’re avoiding the first two Witcher games because they’re somehow not cinematic, you’re sorely mistaken.

Both of those games are incredibly atmospheric to the point of mastery. (tbf you have to be able to forgive the character models in the first game and that can be admittedly difficult because HOLY HELL ZOLTAN ARE YOU OKAY)

also wtf do you mean “masculine indulgences?”

pezhore,

Definitely not OP, but I wouldn’t mind remasters of the first game to address the wonky controls. Witcher 2 was fine, but trying to go from Witcher 3 back to Witcher 1 for the first time was not a great experience for me.

orgrinrt,

Yeah. The controls, the fighting. Even with all the patches and community stuff laid on top, it was a bit too uncomfortable to actually play through for me.

The second one was brilliant. And to this day, despite me having almost 200 hours in Witcher 3, the only Witcher game I’ve actually finished. I think second’s format was perfect. 3 is just too open and beautiful, I get lost in wandering around too easily.

BadlyDrawnRhino,
@BadlyDrawnRhino@aussie.zone avatar

They are remaking the first game, but I don’t know if there are enough details about it yet to know how extensive the overhaul will be. The second game doesn’t need one.

Trainguyrom,

The second one might benefit from a remaster by the time 4 comes out, as some of the models are a bit too XBox360 era, with the strangely wide shoulders and oversized arm muscles of the time

BadlyDrawnRhino,
@BadlyDrawnRhino@aussie.zone avatar

That’s fair. I was thinking more about the overall aesthetic, as it’s a bit more stylised rather than leaning towards realism like in 1 and 3.

kbotc,

Ciri has a relationship with a woman in the books, so I’m not sure you will miss what I assume you’re referring to as “the masculine indulgences” as much as you think you will.

On the other hand, CDPR retconned a shedload of that book so we shall see.

NotForYourStereo, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

Bitchford wishes he could be part of something that was even near a single iota of the same quality of BG3.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

he did though? borderlands 1, 2, pre sequel, and 3

desertdruid,

lol

M137,
@M137@lemmy.world avatar

I’m a Borderlands fan, but it absolutely isn’t even in the same universe of quality as BG3. Borderlands is dumb, pretty shitty and lost quality with each game. It’s mindless fun, like B movie popcorn flicks.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

mindless fun is the best quality a video game can ever have

Cethin,

I would absolutely disagree. Fun, maybe. Mindless fun? No. I’m fine with games that are mindless fun, but it isn’t what all games should strive for. I personally much prefer games that require your focus and consideration.

Mindless fun is cheap and easy. Making a game that sits in people minds for years is difficult and takes effort, but is much more rewarding. BG3, for example, is anything but mindless, which is why it’s been able to still be in conversations for so long after it released. How much do people talk about Call of Duty, even though it sells like crazy?

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

i hear talk about call of duty all the time, and especially in its heyday it was talked about pretty much everywhere. meanwhile i only hear BG3 talked about online or from my brother who’s currently playing it. so i think you just proved your own self wrong there. CoD and borderlands are 2 game franchises that are already talked about a lot. hell just look at this own post, its about borderlands

Cethin,

People talk about playing CoD. They don’t discuss the game really, and also this is being discussed because it’s news, and also because they’re being greedy and stupid. Again, it isn’t the game being discussed.

BG3 people talk about the story, the writing, the gameplay, etc. They talk about how the game is something actually made for players, to be enjoyed, not by business people to make money. They talk about the game.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

i dont get it. talking about playing a game isnt talking about the game? what sense does that make

Cethin,

Saying “do you want to play CoD tonight” is different than discussing why the gameplay of CoD is good/new/innovative/whatever.

I actually did see people discuss the campaign of the new CoD (or maybe the one before) because it was actually fairly unique for them. Other than that, the only time I hear about CoD is people talking about how much money it makes, how bad the skins are, or things like that. It holds almost no relevance in game discussion circles because everything they did well has been innovated on since then.

People talked about how smooth and responsive CoD 4 was, because it was innovating. People don’t talk about the mechanics of whatever the latest CoD is, because it’s not doing anything worth copying.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

not talking about “do you want to play cod” but hey at least people talk about it

whos talking about bg3 besides you here? i havent seen them

Elevator7009,

!baldurs_gate_3

I also see posts about it often on !games, although admittedly I don’t pay attention to the usernames of the people who make those posts, or the usernames of the people commenting. But I’d doubt the comments are all just @Cethin talking to themselves ;)

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

well you never know with turn based strategy game fan

Vespair,

People eat and talk about McDonalds every day, but that doesn’t make it haute cuisine.

Elevator7009,

Eh, I wouldn’t say even mindless fun is easy, from what I hear game dev is hard and a lot of effort and hard work can still end up in something unfun. Probably not your intention but I don’t want to devalue the efforts of people who probably want to make something to help other people enjoy a bit, that I probably don’t have the skill to make myself.

Cethin,

I’m a hobbyist game dev, and I have friends in the industry, and yeah it hard to make anything at all. I meant more that it’s easy to conceptualize mindless fun. Implementing either is just as hard really.

Empricorn, (edited )

This is as wrong as Ebert saying games can’t be “art”.

I love silly, junk-food sitcoms. But I would never say they are the best quality.

SuperSaiyanSwag,

But that type of fun is something I can get from many other games, making borderlands way less desirable if it’s $80. On the other hand if larian says that their next game is $80, I already know that I won’t find that type of experience anywhere else and I might just splurge.

echodot,

Yeah and they didn’t cost $80.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

didnt cost 70 either, like bg3

NotForYourStereo,

Damn, I’m sorry.

Hope you get to play something that isn’t pure dogshit one of these days.

BigBananaDealer,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

what game would you consider “not pure dogshit”? seriously, what games? give me a list, because if an acclaimed franchise that was widely praised and birthed a literal genre is considered dogshit, then what isnt dogshit?

omarfw,

borderlands wasn’t the first looter shooter. that was hellgate london.

Grandwolf319, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

Unpopular opinion:

Witcher 4 won’t be as good as Witcher 3 cause the third one was very good.

So no matter who they chose, it’s probably gonna be underwhelming.

Gonzako,

also the formula is starting to feel old so it won’t have as much lustre as long as they don’t reinvent themselves

BuboScandiacus,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

It can be better

If they fix the horrendous gameplay

mic_check_one_two,

Fix two things:

  1. The weird loot range issue, where if you’re not standing in juuuuust the right angle, you won’t be able to loot certain corpses or containers.
  2. The fact that, outside of combat, controlling Geralt feels like driving a boat. Weird large turn radiuses, slow start and stop, etc… The devs did this to make his movement look more natural, but it feels like the game is constantly fighting against or trying to correct your inputs.

Combine those two things together, and you get a consistently frustrating experience outside of combat. Installing a ranged loot mod was one of the biggest quality of life upgrades. You walk near a corpse or container, and it automatically gets looted.

The combat can also get repetitive at times, and the difficulty scaling is weird too. But as long as those two things and still deliver a good story, I think players will ultimately walk away happy.

Hadriscus,

If I ever replay it I’m going to try and remember the existence of this mod because it was painful

Trainguyrom,

I feel like the repetitive combat is more a result of combat that actually encourages dodging and using signs rather than just standing still and slicing while the enemy either hits or not based on RNG, and the fact that in combat you truly are jumping around, dodging, parrying, etc. makes it more true to the source material.

The style of combat in The Witcher 3 also makes it so that if you do find yourself in a much higher level fight than you should be you can with enough tries manage to beat it. I had one playthrough where I took on the werewolf quest while too low level for it, didn’t preserve any saves before the no turning back point for the battle. In order to save my save file I had to keep trying and failing to defeat the werewolf until I finally got the hits and dodges just perfectly enough to defeat the werewolf. It sucked but ultimately it was possible to complete and not just by an attempt with golden RNG rolls results

ZeroHora,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

People downvote you but I feel you.

The gameplay just doesn’t hold up, the combat is too basic, has no depth and become stale really quickly

surewhynotlem,

This is why we’ll never see elder scrolls 6

Hadriscus,

Oh we will see it ! I’m confident it’s going to be shit, but who knows

sugar_in_your_tea,

Eh, I didn’t like Skyrim as much as Morrowind, so I think there’s some room for ES6 to improve on ES5.

Jtskywalker,

Morrowind is the best. Oblivion remaster is better than skyrim (in my Morrowboomer opinion) and that was just refreshing a 20 year old game. I feel like there is a lot of hype for TES6 that it may not live up to, but surpassing skyrim is definitely doable.

Trainguyrom,

Honestly TES6 has one thing going for it and that’s that Skyrim is over a decade old now so matching the scale and scope of Skyrim is much more achievable.

In my opinion when a sequel falls flat or is outshined by an earlier entry in the series, it’s usually because the studio messed with the formula for the gameplay, not because of a change in characters

andros_rex,

Oblivion and Skyrim were both massive disappointments to me.

If ES 6 comes out, it’ll have maybe three skills - magic/combat/sneak. Any interesting/complicated lore will be retconned and shoved aside. (Why wasn’t Cyrodil a jungle? Where are my river drakes? What happened to Sutch? Where is my Colovian armor set?)

MS06Borjarnon,

But it’s being made by the Bethesda that made Starfield. It’s going to have a terminal case of Emil.

sugar_in_your_tea,

He apparently worked on Oblivion (and Skyrim), so there’s a chance. He took a chance on Starfield and failed, so hopefully he learns from that instead of doubling down.

MS06Borjarnon,

Yeah, but I don’t have a ton of faith in him, especially given that one whiny twitter thread he made.

RampantParanoia2365,

I thought the same thing about Cyberpunk, they couldn’t make lightning strike twice. But in the end, once the issues were fixed, it’s also one of my favorite modern games.

Grandwolf319,

Although I really liked cyberpunk and I’ve finished both that and Witcher 3 and cyberpunk is my favourite…

Really? I thought Witcher 3 was iconic, like it broke out of the regular gaming culture and into the mainstream, idk if cyberpunk did that.

My world would be better if Witcher 4 is better than 3 but I have doubts

RampantParanoia2365,

That’s probably true, W3 is iconic in that regard. But Cyberpunk is just a great follow-up.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Nah, if the next Witcher MC was Dandelion, that would absolutely be the best one.

CatDogL0ver, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

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  • Kirca,

    Because just having two characters with the exact same lines is boring, Gerry has had 3 games now, I want to explore someone else as a character, with new motivations, character flaws etc

    IEatDaGoat,

    Let’s be honest, he’s only got 1 game. I tried going back to Witcher 1 and 2 after playing 3 and it’s impossible to adjust to the older game UI. Modding or tweaking it is also not worth it imo so I wouldn’t mind another Geralt game.

    mycelium_underground,
    @mycelium_underground@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t like 2 out of the the 3 geralt games, so I’m going to pretend two don’t exist too support my beliefs is some serious snowflake energy

    IEatDaGoat,

    Snowflake energy? Na man I’m just realistic. I have never met anyone who recommended Witcher 1/2 online or irl. It’s always about Witcher 3, and that’s because it’s still very playable and one of the best games ever.

    It’s the less extreme version of Baldur’s Gate 3. Technically, there are two other games, but you won’t seriously recommend games 1 and 2 to anyone.

    I know you understand my point, and it’s easier to say I’m a snowflake rather than actually say anything useful.

    zebidiah, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    hot take: i fucking hated the way ciri and every single other woman in witcher3 was written/portrayed…

    they all felt like they were written by incels who have never met or conversed with an actual real woman. they were shallow game of thrones/fantasy tropes and felt like walking talking cliches. i literally cringed through every interaction…

    mildlyusedbrain,

    I get this somewhat but including ciri? I feel like there was none of that with her character. What about her struck you as that?

    zebidiah,

    she was basically wesley crusher, without the character growth… she was a plot device, not a character.

    NotASharkInAManSuit,

    “Shut up, Ciri.” - Captain Picard

    Kellamity,

    And if I’m honest the books are similar. I like them, but all the women are super sexy super hot and they exist for Geralt to have sex with

    lingh0e,

    These types of comments ignore the fact that Geralt is written in the exact same way.

    The “romance” dialog options tend to be god awful.

    oyo,

    And this also explains why they’ve “grown” her into a plastic, lip-plumped, reality-TV-star banshee. The character model looks awful.

    capuccino, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"
    @capuccino@lemmy.world avatar

    If you need consume X media to be able to enjoy Y media, we have a problem there, pal :/

    tb_,
    @tb_@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s not what he said??

    LandedGentry, (edited ) do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

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  • Zwrt,

    People call me a conspiracy theorist but the message that is woke has been purposely molded into something for conservatives to hate.

    Nothing threatens a “democratic” capitalist state more than social awareness, not even facism.

    madjo, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    The reactionary women-hating alt-right gamer-gate neo-nazi losers should just be ignored at this point.

    MorningThunder,

    To be fair, this post is the first I’ve heard of people upset about it

    TheObviousSolution,
    @TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee avatar

    The thing about them is that they are loud, directed, and often affect the first impression a game gets. If this wasn’t with The Witcher fame, the effect would be more notable, and oftentimes they don’t admit why they really have a problem with the game directly.

    Zink,

    and oftentimes they don’t admit why they really have a problem with the game directly

    I think in many cases they aren’t even admitting it to themselves. Self-delusion is kind of a recurring theme with them.

    Dasus,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    “at this point”

    You’ve paid attention to them at some point?

    Rooty, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    My man Geralt looked like he was in dire need of a nap during the entire run of Witcher 3. Let him rest, people.

    Dasus,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    No rest for the wicked, and witchers be real wicked.

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