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Brkdncr, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party

Open source “Xbox”:

  • Peg the performance requirements and a utility to verify them.
  • Allow devs to build games with those specs in mind.
  • filter in the store for games built for that spec.
Truscape,

"We have steam deck verification at home"

  • Microsoft (in a year)
AngryCommieKender, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party

So what is Microsoft going to be doing?

Dozzi92,
@Dozzi92@lemmy.world avatar

Slapping that ™®© on it and raising the price.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Copilot on PS5, somehow

ADTJ,

Buying the successful studios to obtain their IP and then sacking all the employees to cut costs.

chronicledmonocle, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party

Nice idea to make Xbox and PC one platform, but given how badly the ROG Xbox handheld was implemented (since you can’t play Xbox games on this “Xbox”), good luck with that.

Alaknar,

Doesn’t it fully support GamePass? Doesn’t GamePass have all the XBox games?

scrubbles,
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Problem isn’t that, since the handheld is just running windows it can only run games with a PC release. If the game was never ported to PC they currently have no way to play it. They really thought through the whole release real well.

frezik,

Wonder if this will force the issue on a PC release of GTA VI sooner rather than later.

Or maybe Rockstar won’t care.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

Honestly I’m surprised they’re still thinking about that. The last major release they had was RDR2 in 2018. That was 7 years ago now. In that time not only have handhelds and more PC devices exploded but also PCs as a whole thanks to COVID. It’s just more popular than it ever was. If they go forward with console only they better have a massive kickback from Sony now that Xbox isn’t playing as much, otherwise they’re missing out on tons of sales.

Edit: Actually writing that out, I bet the PC port is planned a year behind and always was, but GTA 6 was planned years ago before the boom. I wonder if we’ll see RDR3’s PC come at the same time.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Yes. Kinda. Some games from the X1 era aren’t available on PC, like Halo 5. X360 games that are backwards compatible but weren’t actually released for PC, like Red Dead Redemption, won’t be available either.

Prove_your_argument, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"

If game performance is what makes games better then consoles will never reach the heights of PCs.

markz,

It says there that graphics performance doesn’t matter that much.

its_kim_love,

If it’s not graphics what is the PS5 doing that makes the games better on a PS5 if not performance?

vateso5074,
Arcane2077,

PS5 doesn’t make the exclusives, exclusives make the PS5

Katana314,

The only occasion I could buy that a “console makes the exclusives” is when the costs are so high that the investors decide a $60 price tag isn’t enough.

That can be alleviated with DLC, or live service bullshit; or it can become an incentive to buy a particular console.

Then, when someone is braindead and doesn’t want a big epic award winning adventure, they’ll use that same console to play Fortnite. Thus, God of War helps sell VBucks or whatever.

It’s a weird analysis, but even though we no longer see console exclusives and it’s seen as a pro consumer move, I also think it was just a way for managers to boost one quarter’s revenue, and it wasn’t really good for the console ecosystem as a whole, especially considering how it would fund future exclusive epics.

Truscape,

Emulation my beloved

Goodlucksil,

Emulation won’t exist for current-gen console until at least next-gen

Truscape,

I’m a patient gamer :)

Also, name 10 PS5 exclusives that aren’t remakes of prior generation games (since those can be upscaled and played via emulation)

Goodlucksil,

Even games released by Sony (e.g. Stellar Blade) are released on Windows. The age of Sony exclusives is no more (except Astro Bot, maybe)

Btw, Xbox releases on PS (like Sea of Thieves).

I’m going to guess that since only 14 games sold over 1 million on PS5, PlayStation is mostly used as a few-games machine

HeyJoe,

Im guessing speed. To me, one of my favorite improvements over the ps4 was load speeds of everything. It felt like I went back in time to SNES days when walking into the next room was instant, unlike on the ps1 for the same games.

its_kim_love,

Another word for less loading time could be performance right?

markz,

“I think PS5 and SSD has made almost every game a better game,” he concludes.

You could read the article too

its_kim_love,

Right, so performance over graphics.

its_kim_love,

Right? Consoles used to exist because specialized equipment would perform better than general consumer electronics. That hasn’t really been true for a long time now.

Jarix,

That’s not exactly accurate, it’s ignoring significantly that hardware in consoles is mostly static. The consistency and limitations on hardware undoubtedly is an important part of that equation

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party

Meta Quest was the last innovative games console.

brsrklf,

Quest is cheap and good hardware, but its software layer is dystopian hell. Obviously, I mean, it’s meta.

I love the cheap access to decent PC and embedded VR on my quest 3, I absolutely hate this OS and its constant corporate spam. I know, this is kinda why its so cheap. Doesn’t mean I have to like it.

ShinkanTrain, (edited )

Yeah, I didn’t think an OS could feel more skeezy than Windows until I got a Quest 3.

A shame too, cause it’s legitimately great hardware, implemented well (outside the corpo bullshit)

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

Totally agree. At the moment the Meta involvement is tolerable, but all it takes is a couple of forced ads or intrusive personal information demands.

FalseTautology,

Isn’t buying a quest giving money to Zuckerberg directly? I don’t think I could sleep at night

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

They are sold at a loss, so you are technically stealing from Zuckerberg directly.

ClassyHatter, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party
@ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz avatar

Xbox consoles have been mostly sold out in Finland. Some retailers still have some stock left, mostly Series S, but it seems that Microsoft has exited Finland.

FalseTautology,

You didn’t miss anything significant in since like Halo Reach.

MonkderVierte, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party

Like Nintendo, who still sue emulators.

missingno, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

I want shorter games with worse graphics made by people who are paid more to work less and I'm not kidding.

its_kim_love,

Generally games where people had fun making them feel better to play.

Ephera,

Yeah, for me it’s not even just the creative freedom, but an actual fuzzy feeling that me and the devs are having fun together. Open-source games also hold a special place in my heart for that reason, no matter how scrungy they are.

Lost_My_Mind,

Have you heard of stardew valley? Made by one guy, 16 bit sprite pixelart, although he does still work his ass off.

Two outta three ain’t bad, right?

mnemonicmonkeys,

TBF, the dude has made millions off the game, and he doesn’t make the updates paid dlc. He just keeps adding to SDV because he loves it

frongt,

But most importantly, more fun!

Ephera,

Yeah, I might be showing my age, but my interpretation of “a better game” was right away “a more fun game”, which got followed up with the thought: Did it make them more fun?

I feel like we had fun figured out pretty well in the last century already. And in many ways, the higher specs are used to add realism and storytelling, which I know many people enjoy in their own way, but they’re often at odds with fun, or at least sit between the fun parts of a game.

Like, man, I watched a video of the newest Pokémon game and they played for more than an hour before the tutorial + plot exposition was over. Practically no fun occurred in that first hour.
Just imagine putting coins into an arcade cabinet and the first hour is an utter waste of time. You’d ask for your money back.

SilverCode,

I would love to buy a game at a reasonable price that I actually have a chance of finishing in a weekend, or maybe one marathon session. A game with a great story and good gameplay that isn’t drawn out over 30 hours.

As for graphics, I’m quite happy if they drop all the shiny new bullshit that you have to watch a Digital Foundry video on just to even know it exists in the game, and rather focus on a good art style.

And it goes without saying, pay the people who make the games more, and the mega corp CEO’s less.

prole,

Sayonara Wild Hearts… Only 1.5-2 hrs. Fun, good story, and outstanding music.

OrgunDonor,
@OrgunDonor@lemmy.world avatar

Shinobi: Art of vengeance. It is a 2D brawler with stages that end with a boss, but they have metroidvania elements to add value for replaying them. It is about 10 hours to go start to finish while doing a lot of the back tracking stuff. Simple story but incredible combat and good level design(only one level I thought was a bit meh), the art and animations are fantastic as well. Very much a new take on the old games, and has a demo to try as well.

teawrecks,

The “paid more to work less” part is not tenable. The games that fit that bill that you’re thinking of represent less than 1% of their peers. They are outliers, not a sustainable industry; the exception, not the rule. For every Silksong there are maybe 100 that make just enough to make ends meet, and 1000 duds that will never pay for themselves that you’ve never heard of.

What you’re saying is you want fewer steady incomes and more lottery winners. Sure, that’d be nice, but it’s not a sustainable strategy.

Ex. Wildgate launched recently. They deliberately opted to sell the game for a flat $30 rather than going F2P/P2W. As a result, they regularly get reviewed negatively by people saying “dead game, greedy devs won’t lower the price to compete with F2P games” and “the cosmetics you unlock by playing look better than the ones you can buy” (yes, there are people unironically posting those as negative reviews).

So at least understand why the most common strategy is often exploitative, and why it’s actually not a simple solution that a bunch of armchair experts have figured out in a comments section.

AwesomeLowlander,

The “paid more to work less” part is not tenable

We could have the major publishers and devs paying better salaries. They can afford it.

phoenixz,

I want a game that upon release is 70% finished

But I also even more want what you just said

Ugurcan,

Hey come play Bannerlord sometime!

vane,

bonk

frezik, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"

Moore’s Law was originally formulated as the cost per integrated component being cut in half every x months. The value of x was tweaked over the decades, but settled at 24.

That version of the law is completely dead. Density is still going up, but you pay more for it. You’re not going to build a console anymore for the same cost while increasing performance.

High end PC’s can still go up, but only by spending more money. This is why the only substantial performance gains the last few GPU generations has been through big jumps in cost.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Important to note, the current chip fabrication process of 5nm is very close to limits imposed by the laws of physics. Unless a wholly different chip making process is invented that can go even smaller, we might be looking at the actual limit of the tech.

RedWeasel, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"

Doesn’t surprise to hear this. If Nvidia was really holding back, then AMD would have past them. I feel like they are starting to experience what the cpu side started seeing when they hit 4ghz and had to start chipping away at more clocks. It took longer as they are doing easily parallel operations, but it was bound to happen. I really wonder how both AMD and Nvidia will compare to their prior architectures next iteration. Will my 4080 still be faster than a 6070(ti)?

eleijeep,

If Nvidia was really holding back, then AMD would have past them.

Did you know that Jensen Huang and Lisa Su are cousins? AMD only makes graphics cards to protect NVIDIA from antitrust lawsuits.

LettyWhiterock,
@LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world avatar

Okay but hasn’t AMD been making GPUs long before she was with the company

troed, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party
@troed@fedia.io avatar

Hate to agree but yeah. We're buying everything for Steam now since we put a Steambox (Bazzite) in the gaming room. The PS5s are now just legacy boxes.

Truscape,

Yay! Make sure to check out some of the cool couch gaming indies - Enter the Gungeon and Duck Game are some of my favorites.

Lfrith,

That would be the case for techy people like us, but growing number of people cant handle anything more complicated than a phone OS these days that I think consoles will continue to have a purpose.

troed,
@troed@fedia.io avatar

I find SteamOS to be as un-complicated as any other modern console tbh.

victorz,

The complicated bit isn’t the OS, it’s installing it. A console comes preloaded with an OS. That’s what sets us apart from non-techy people.

troed,
@troed@fedia.io avatar

Ah ok, yeah. I expect there to be SteamOS/Bazzite boxes you can just purchase.

victorz,

That would be pretty dope! That’s even something someone can start a small business selling without needing a license, I guess! Take orders for hardware and then assemble and install a gaming environment based on Linux. Stoinks go brr!

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

By the numbers, that demographic appears to be shrinking, not growing. PC has grown while consoles have shrunk.

ShinkanTrain, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party
AwesomeLowlander, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party

This is the asshole who presided over a significant portion of the enshittification of both Xbox and Blizzard, so we know exactly what his opinion is worth

Agent_Karyo,

I would argue that this actually makes his opinion more relevant, as executive management is more likely to think like Ybarra, as opposed to someone that regrets the decline of Blizzard.

AwesomeLowlander, (edited )

Know your enemy corporate overlord, eh?

MeekerThanBeaker, do games w Xbox ditching hardware and exclusive games "makes sense," former Microsoft exec and Blizzard boss says, as "only a moron would continue" making consoles as games go third party

I would love it if I could play all my Xbox games on any PC that has the correct specs.

If I have to keep game pass to play the games I purchased then we’ll have a problem.

Truscape,

Emulation General Wiki Check the Xbox category section.

If you have physical media there are ways to rip them using a commodity DVD/Bluray drive so you can back them up, load them in the emulator, and prevent data rot on the actual disks.

If you’re asking for a direct way to play straight from an XBOX handheld (native play) that’s unlikely to happen for the 360 because of it’s unique architecture, and the Xbox One and beyond I believe have some significant departures from the standard x86 architecture that would make it impractical (it would be more logical to give you steam codes instead lol).

purplemonkeymad,

I kind hated whenever i was looking at solutions to running pc game pass games on my steam deck, everyone was like: “install edge it works on Linux, that will let you stream the game.”

Like, that was not what I was looking for. It also required you to go to a higher tier of sub.

Both happy and sad that I already canceled it.

givesomefucks, do games w Ex PlayStation exec says Sony can't keep "increasing the graphics power" with new consoles after tech plateau, but PS5 has already "made almost every game a better game"

Everyone’s different, and you can get used to a lot.

So some people might not be able to tell 90fps from 120fps, but I definitely notice. But if I played something at 90 for long enough, I’d get used to it and stop noticing how much worse it was from 120 fps.

I will say they don’t get near enough credit for not only adaptive triggers, but them working on damn near any game that appears on PlayStation even while on PC.

I bought a ps5 just for those triggers, and gave it away (but kept a controller) once it worked on PC.

That’s the direction Playstation needs to go. If they made a new controller with Hall Effect sticks and 4 back buttons they’d absolutely clean up. They came so close with the edge, but didn’t give a back button for half the face buttons. And went “replaceable” sticks that will eventually break instead of Hall Effect.

victorz,

Awesome take, all of it. 100% agree. I don’t own a PlayStation console, never have, but you make perfect sense.

lobut,

I can’t tell the diff in FPS performance. I wish I could.

When I got my PS5 and played some games I was like, wow the future is here! Turns out I was playing PS4 games. Also I turned on and off ray-tracing for SpiderMan and couldn’t tell either.

Dariusmiles2123,

Why would you wish to be highly sensitive to an increase/decrease in fps.

That’s just a curse and you should be happy you don’t have it.

You can just enjoy more games with a cheaper pc/console.

lobut,

lol, just to fit in with everyone 😂

Atropos,

I solve this by turning off my FPS counter, so I can no longer tell :)

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