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silvercove, do gaming w The Steam Deck is changing how normies think of gaming PCs.

It’s also changing how normies think of Linux.

Also it basically doubled the % of linux users at Steam.

Diplomjodler,

Normies don’t think about Linux. You don’t even need to see Linux if you use a Steam Deck.

ReverseModule,
@ReverseModule@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Still, casual gamers did think Linux couldn’t game. It’s changing this opinion in the best way possible and that’s really important since Linux is the best OS. I personally think we still live in medieval PC times as long as Windows is the main OS used.

Goronmon,

Still, casual gamers did think Linux couldn’t game.

The parent comment is right. Most people don't think about Linux. Ask a 'casual' Swtich owner what OS the Switch uses, and their answer is probably going to be pretty close to the answer that a similar Deck user would give.

callyral,
@callyral@kbin.social avatar

Normies¹ don't even really think about Windows or OS in general, most people just think it's just what a computer is like regardless.

¹ : Normie as in person who is not experienced with computers and PC gaming

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Even so it made it significantly harder for people to make the dated throwaway comment that you’ll lose access to a majority of your games by switching to Linux.

With that I feel like people will see it’s just as usable as MacOS and Windows in a majority of circumstances.

conciselyverbose,

You can use crossover and it isn't awful, but I think Mac is third for gaming at this point.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I’m not too sure. I used to browse /r/MacGaming despite not owning a Mac but I lost of track of things when they killed 32 bit support

conciselyverbose,

There are some games that get official Mac ports, and that's nice, but compatibility on the rest of your library doesn't just work out of the box.

Like I said, crossover is OK but when Mac's biggest strength is ease of use, fiddly manual configuration to make your library work isn't awesome.

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I lost all my games when I swapped to Linux.

But that’s because it was a decade ago, and I was way too lazy to figure out why wine wouldn’t work, tho I don’t really pc game anyway and these were mostly older games, even then. Small loss.

I know there’s a lot of stuff either native dev or ported/cracked for Linux, just never really spent the time to look into it.

The only thing that’s going to cause problems for me now is idk how Linux handles vr. I assume not terribly well, since none (almost none?) of it is native dev. I’m looking to move away from consoles now that they are moving away from physical media (no point collecting if there’s nothing to collect), so Linux being more robust is great! But vr maybe my stick point. Depends how well developed it gets I guess.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

VR headsets and games with anti-cheat software still have issues. I haven’t been able to get Oculus Rift S to work for example.

I think some headsets like the ones made by Valve and HTC work better though. I’m not sure if there’s currently the same degree of rapid advancements for VR Linux gaming as there are for gaming in general on Linux. I know OpenHMD exists but I haven’t tried it out myself.

shadowbert,
@shadowbert@kbin.social avatar

My Vive Pro does work - but not as nicely as it did on windows. Driver support for stuff like reprojection doesn't seem to be there.

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yeah that’s kinda what I was expecting.

I don’t really have a vr setup right now (have a psvr, the tracking sucks but I want to like it) but I was thinking maybe an index at some point…

Tho tbh if I need to keep a windows pc for that to work… I can… I won’t be thrilled for it, but my laptop is touchscreen and running 11… idk how Linux does with touchscreen so I haven’t changed it out yet, probs could upgrade the hardware to game off it.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Have you tried using the PSVR on your computer?

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Not yet, but I looked into it before I bought it and I’ve seen that it can be done as sort of a viewing unit? If I understand correctly that’s all it would be, which is still probably a powerful tool, but I just got the vr like a month ago and then immediately got two surprise kittens so I have not had time to play at all, much less do anything fancy with it.

However if you want to tell me all about it, I am more than happy to learn from a person rather than an impersonal article. Really.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I would have linked an article. I haven’t experimented with it myself but it seems like there’s one paid project available through Steam that aims to support the PSVR

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

No worries.

It’s a thing I’ll probably do at some point. Just for kicks. I’m a big fan of playing around with hardware to save money 😁 but it’ll probably be a while before I get to it. I have some self hosting and automation to learn to do first (not super knowledgeable presently, but omfg is the fediverse helpful with tech stuff 💜)

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Me too. Messing around with hardware is something that’s always stuck with me from when I was a teenager. If you give the PSVR thing a test mind messaging me or commenting so I can hear how it goes?

ApathyTree,
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I was also messing with hardware/software starting in teens. Grew up during the brief period in which home computers were fairly common though still quite expensive, but pc repair shops weren’t really around.

I will try to remember, but it might not be for a while. :)

OverfedRaccoon,

I was going to say I slightly disagree, but then I thought about it some more and realized they probably just see it as SteamOS in the same way Android doesn’t make people think about Linux either.

silvercove,

When some Microsoft simp makes unfounded claims about how you can’t game on Linux, we now only need to point at the Steam Deck.

firecat,

No, this is incorrect, OP thought steam deck is ok because the games are exclusively only in steam. OP never try to consider her mother-in-law. Giving someone linux and just assuming they understand is not going to help make them like the game or machine.

shapesandstuff,

Thats because its linux only in a technical sense

wahming,

We’re talking about software, what other senses are there? :D

shapesandstuff,

Well for the user. Like the mum from the post won’t go like “Oh wow the linux pc that is my steam deck can game”

They only experience steam OS as the console. Like when mum used to say you play “the nintendo” too much :D

hackser,

How is it not Linux?

moody,

Most people probably won’t explore the desktop mode, but SteamOS is basically a full-on Linux distro.

shapesandstuff,

Exactly!

silvercove,

Most improvements on the Deck translate to all Linux distros. That’s pretty good.

shapesandstuff,

Good point, i didnt think about it that way

sci,

that’s like saying apple is changing how normies think of Unix

tetris11, do gaming w More than enough

Remember when games came self-contained on disks?

Bluegrass_Addict,

the only part to waiting to play the game was the drive home, not the game downloading, then downloading again with the updates.

tetris11,

PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN

AtariDump,
tetris11,

I never tire of reading this, just due to how prescient it is

ByteJunk,
@ByteJunk@lemmy.world avatar

Those CD loading screens made me long for my cartridges, to be fair…

iAmTheTot,

The transition away from discs is not inherently bad. Discs read very slowly. Cartridges are better for load times.

otacon239,

I always wondered why we didn’t transition to flash storage. Would be much easier to scale smaller releases, too.

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

The Switch went back to it, or never left if you view it as a DS/3DS successor

otacon239,

I thought about this right after replying. Really, the GC, Wii and Wii U were more exception than rule with Nintendo. They’ve always liked their cartridge formats.

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

I remember Nintendo getting trolled for still using cartridges with the Nintendo 64 when Sony was already using discs and it looked like the future. Nintendo’s response even then was the cartridges were faster, basically eliminating load time.

prettybunnys,

If only they could have figured out storage density back then.

Losing the RPGs to Sony was devastating to someone expecting (hoping) the N64 would be as good to the jrpg as the snes was.

iAmTheTot,

People seem weirdly attached to the idea of discs, in my experience. Without anything but anecdotes to back it up, I feel like people view discs as adult and cartridges as childish.

feannag,

I feel like most people don’t care they just want physical media and not be required to only go digital.

iAmTheTot,

Actually, in that regard I feel like the majority of people are fine with the transition to fully digital.

feannag,

I doubt most are fine with it, but its not a priority enough to not buy a specific game.

salacious_coaster,

Might be a generational thing you’re perceiving. For someone about my age, carts were what we used as little kids (NES, SNES) and a little longer if you stuck with Nintendo (N64) over PlayStation. The PlayStation kids tended to view Nintendo as “kid stuff.”

iAmTheTot,

Yes, I’ve considered that. Nintendo has mostly stuck to cartridges and their games are mostly cartoony, which is associated with childishness.

TORFdot0,

Switch carts are way easier to lose for one. Hard to lose a blu ray in my experience

Gerudo,

Disc was way cheaper to produce

ShinkanTrain,

Kinda moot these days when everything is using flash storage. Transfering a Blu-Ray to storage at 100MB/s before playing is an acceptable compromise if it means you can use the fastest possible storage for all games, without the cost.

Of course, this wouldn’t work on a portable not named PSP

TORFdot0,

I rather a game load a little bit slower than having to spend hundreds more for expanded storage or waste hours manually installing and uninstalling games.

iAmTheTot,

I think you’re probably in the minority on that one.

nuko147,
@nuko147@lemmy.world avatar

Nothing can reach an nvme drive. I heard Switch 2 had longer loading times from cartridges vs loading from internal storage or micro SD express card. And there is no way to store 100+GB games in there. Yeah textures in 4k hurt.

NutinButNet,

And it was the full game, not a broken mess that required updates and DLC to continue the story before the next title in the series.

apftwb,

A DVD can hold 4.7GB. 500GB is 107 DVDs.

tetris11,

Not when the games are over 20GB. A HD-DVD dual layer disc can hold 30GB. That should be more than enough for a self-contained game.

kn0wmad1c, do gaming w Show some respect
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

I don’t know why, but the top screen looks like a 2013-era iPhone and I can’t unsee it.

Tollana1234567,

i wouldnt be surprised if apple stole that design.

SkunkWorkz,

This thing was released in 2017.

stupidcasey,

I’ve always thought that, couldn’t necessarily think on anything wrong with it but it all seems weird.

MentalEdge, do games w What's your favorite case of a game making fun of you?
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Multiple games have done it, but something along the lines “try not dying” as the loading screen tip after dying about a dozen times is always funny to me.

Grandwolf319,

If having trouble with game, get better

brsrklf,

In Hollow Knight there’s an accidental one at a pretty climactic moment. Hornet shouts something to get you ready for the big fight. It’s in her usual gibberish language, but lots of people hear it as “GIT GUD!”

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

“Shoot at it until it dies”

dejected_warp_core,

Blood Dragon?

teft,

This is similar to the tip i give anyone starting new in downhill biking.

Just don’t crash.

KoboldCoterie,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

The Dishwasher: Vampire Smile unlocks and offers to let you switch to ‘Pretty Princess’ difficulty if you die too many times in a row.

redhorsejacket,

TIP TEAM!

Try these cool moves, like, playing the game!

catalyst,
@catalyst@lemmy.world avatar

“You can change the difficulty at any time in the settings screen” during loading screens after dying always gets me.

DigDoug,

It’s really annoying when you’re dying to instant death pits so changing the difficulty wouldn’t help, though. I’m looking at you, God of War.

Lazer365, do games w Why would I buy this?

If you still play CoD nowadays then you are actively supporting the problem.

loutr, (edited )
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

From time to time I’ll still look at their steam page during sales, because I’d like to play a blockbuster single player FPS where I can mindlessly mow down bad guys, with good story and production value.

But the price point and reviews always turn me off… Do you have a good alternative to recommend?

BigDaddySlim,

If you want a CoD game, pretty much any CoD up through Black Ops 2 is still decent, but only if Activision actually let’s the game go “on sale”. Halo games have a fantastic story (up until 5 at least) and the Master Chief Collection is usually on sale for $10.

Klear, do games w Stop Killing Games reaches its goal of 1.4M signatures, covering the risk of valid signatures going under 1M

I wouldn’t call it safe. The required margin is unknown and the initiative could still dip under 1 mil.

Additional signatures could still help. If you know somebody who can and hasn’t signed yet, ask them to.

kemsat, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

If it means developers won’t make “live-service”/trash games anymore, we should hasten the SKG movement.

sugar_in_your_tea,

They still will, this will just limit their ability to force you to move to the next one once the servers shut down.

groet,

Most likely, if they are forced to allow public servers after they shut down the official ones, they will pull some other bullshit. Like claim the game is still available, but the 300$ cosmetics you bought are not allowed on public servers because they are separate from the game.

Goodeye8,

Honestly I'd even prefer that because it diminishes the value of in game purchases and would be a step towards getting rid of them as well.

sugar_in_your_tea,

They should be compelled to either make those cosmetics available for everyone or have some technical means to prove ownership (e.g. blockchain or cryptographically signed file). You can’t lose stuff you bought just because the publisher shut down the servers.

groet,

You can’t lose stuff you bought just because the publisher shut down the servers.

I mean that’s exactly how it works right now. And depending on the exact wording of any laws passed as a result of this petition only the game itself or some or all micro transactions will have to be made available after official support ends.

Public servers will either sell micro transactions themselves to finance servers or make all in game content available to everyone for free. I can see publishers having a problem with that.

sugar_in_your_tea,

that’s exactly how it works right now

Right, I’m explaining how Stop Killing Games would change things if adopted.

Public servers will either sell micro transactions themselves

That can certainly be restricted, since they’re profiting off someone else’s IP. Selling hosting is one thing, reselling assets in the game is another thing entirely and AFAIK would be a violation of copyright’s fair use provisions.

If they’re no longer profiting from a game, surely releasing access to gated content isn’t an issue any more? It’s not like they are losing anything. So I think unlocking cosmetics for everyone would be fine, but it’s up to them. If they want to preserve the restriction, they can find a way that doesn’t reauire ongoing costs, such as the ones I mentioned.

RonnieB,

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  • Soggy,

    Only server browser, no matchmaking.

    JustARaccoon, do games w Old gamers don't understand what mobile gaming has become

    Hmm I’m not sure using gacha games which are designed for addictive gameplay loops and predatory monetisation being the games that your kid prefers over standalone experiences is a good argument to make

    simple, do games w Had a take about Supergiant Games that recieved a lot of pushback fromy teo longest eunning best friends.

    I’m with you on wishing they’ll move on after Hades 2, but I don’t want sequels to Transistor and Bastion. I’d prefer they make something new again.

    But really I can’t blame Supergiant for playing it safe because the last time they tried to make something truly unique it bombed hard (Pyre).

    KoboldCoterie,
    @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

    Agreed on this. They’re just so good at making new interesting things that it feels like a bit of a shame to waste time on sequels. I even really enjoyed Pyre, despite it being generally considered the weakest of their games; it was such an interesting setting and premise.

    Bastion and Transistor both had very satisfying conclusions to their stories and revisiting either doesn’t feel necessary.

    MyDarkestTimeline01,

    They’re obviously a developer that I would be interested in anything new that they put out. But both bastion and transistor were two of my all-time favorites from the indie scene. And I would really and truly love to revisit both of those worlds in a sequel.

    ComfortableRaspberry, (edited ) do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?
    @ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org avatar

    Your question makes it sound like Epic is a small new player at the market and they are trying their best and both is not true.

    Epic is actively working on enshittification, Steam, at least for now, isn’t. For me it’s easy as that.

    nyctre,

    Exactly. The app has been shitty for almost a decade now. How much slack are we supposed to cut to a multibillion dollar company?

    TheFriendlyDickhead, do games w Youtuber Geekerwan has find the motherboard of Switch 2 and after reverse-engineer he have simulate the performance on a similar PC

    A bit of topic, but it pains me to see how powerful high end phones got. Like most people just use them to text and scroll social media. Why do people spend that much money?!

    B0NK3RS,
    @B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

    Who doesn’t want to spend £50+ a month to doom scroll…

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    Yeah, I pay like $15/month to doom scroll.

    desktop_user,

    people that just buy the phone instead of getting a weird contract thingy.

    tobz619,

    If anything, it makes me wonder why we don’t have more small dedicated handheld gaming devices that aren’t phones or pseudocomputers and don’t cost a bomb.

    Like a £220 PSP/GBA/DS-like device with decent first-party support would be really nice for me imo

    gradual,

    Because we already have phones.

    The solution is to release games for phones that require a controller, but most companies aren’t willing to be the first ones to do it.

    Elevator7009,

    I’m probably part of the problem. I’ve never used a controller except a few times at friends’ houses. I grew up with Nintendo DS, Wii, PC, and smartphone games. I don’t want to ever have to pick up a controller.

    pory,
    @pory@lemmy.world avatar

    With a phone, there’s a type of controller that wraps around the phone, turning it into a Switch form factor. That’s probably the middle ground between atrocious touchscreen d-pads (or only playing games that actually work well with touch controls) versus lugging around a Dualsense and some mount contraption or kickstanding your phone on a surface.

    Elevator7009,

    I’ve never had trouble with or resented touch screen D-pads ^^; again I am part of the problem I suppose, because it seems by your post that most people hate the things I’m genuinely satisfied with. I hope the general controller-liking population gets things to serve their needs too, though. Thanks for providing the information for what I’m assuming is the majority.

    7arakun,

    The Switch Lite is exactly this. $200 handheld that runs first party games. There are android handhelds like the Retroid pocket 5 as well.

    A Steam Deck Lite would be incredible. Small, cheap, linux-based, and powerful enough to run indie games and some light 3D. I think that form factor basically needs an arm cpu though.

    tobz619, (edited )

    Yeah, I’m taking a look at the RP5 it looks quite good. I wish its GameCube Performance was better but this might be the one for me :D

    If it can also play Steam games/x86 games, that would also be cracked

    teamevil,

    Or just use a phone that’s a couple years old

    thermal_shock,

    Yeah, I got an S23 for $400, upgraded from a 7 year old S9

    teamevil,

    I’d say go on swappa and pick up an S21 for 125 and be ready to go…leave the S23 for doom scrollin.

    thermal_shock,

    Why downgrade?

    CosmoNova,

    There are plenty handhelds in all shapes and sizes in that price range for exactly this. How many more do we need?

    emeralddawn45,

    You can buy handhelds for like $100 that have basically every console game up to and including ps2/ds preloaded. What else would you need?

    tobz619,

    Something that can play PS2/GameCube games effortlessly

    Maybe even a bit of PS3!

    emeralddawn45,

    www.goretroid.com/…/retroid-pocket-4-handheld

    Can play gamecube/wii games and most ps2. Ps3 you’re gonna have problems with even with a steamdeck sometimes.

    gradual,

    Why do people spend that much money?!

    Conditioning. They have more money so they spend it proportionally.

    aegis_sum,

    I ended up buying a cheap controller that clamps to my phone and run emulators. It works way better than I ever expected.

    tobz619,

    I know but I don’t want to use my phone as a gaming device. The retroid pocket 5 could be the one for me

    Ledericas,

    theres also isnt much difference, so the higher end , aka flagship ones are slightly better than the previous editions. no need to spend 800-1k+, i bought a OPR12 instead. pixels tries to justify thier flagship prices with thier useless AI chips.

    AdrianTheFrog,
    @AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

    Yea, I got the op 12 because it was just $50 more than the r on Amazon at the time.

    It’s definitely powerful enough but I’m slightly disappointed by the software, arcore is just completely broken, and hdr is fairly spotty (works in yt app and photos app but doesn’t work in chrome or Google photos)

    Ledericas,

    the op12 has higher memory capacity storage, and beter telephoto lens, i dont really like the curved screen though, other than that its good. i think 13 or mostly got rid of that curved screen.

    AdrianTheFrog,
    @AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, it’s probably not something I would have chosen if I had the option but I don’t really care about the curved screen.

    orenj,
    @orenj@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    There are real video games for phones now, and I’m pretty sure emulation is up to at least on the gamecube era. Slap a controller on it and a phone is pretty much just a hyper-powered gameboy advance.

    EddoWagt,

    I can totally emulate PS2 and some Switch games on my phone, but never really use the power

    Trainguyrom,

    The big benefit is that much horsepower allows the phone to very very rapidly “race to sleep” in that the faster it can crunch the numbers then return to a much slower clock the less power it’ll consume overall

    AtariDump,

    Especially as the phone gets older and apps get more complex.

    Fenrisulfir,

    I keep my phones for 6-8 years. I’m in my 40s and have only ever bought 3 phones, going back to the iPhone 2 3g

    degen,

    Just say you’ve never cracked a screen, everyone and their brother will be wet

    AtariDump,
    degen,

    I should watch Archer again

    Fenrisulfir,

    I would be too. You know they’re repairable right?

    degen,

    I did assume a thing or two I guess lol. I got a refurb when it was cheaper than a fix. Wonder if that counts as a “new” phone… Theseus would probably like to have a word.

    GaMEChld,

    Genshin Impact does make my phone toasty.

    RageAgainstTheRich,

    Apps by corporations are stuffed with ads, telemetry and other crap. It uses frameworks on top of other frameworks and import libraries for the dumbest shit. For example the reddit app is about 120mb while my lemmy voyager app is 8mb…

    The twitch.tv app is 150mb while an open source twitch app is 25mb. It has even more functionality and options and runs like butter.

    Most of the shit phones have to run and process is in the background to track and sell.

    Its really bad and why i encourage people to use open source versions of stuff they use.

    ampersandrew, do games w What's a cancelled game you really miss?
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Cancelled or shut down? If you wanted a cancelled game to come out, 99 times out of 100, it was your imagination making it into a great game, and they cancelled it because it wasn’t coming together.

    For games that were shut down, for me, it was Robocraft. It was only shut down recently, but the version of the game that I loved from about 2017-ish was basically replaced a year later with a version of the game that I was not a fan of, and it stayed that way until the game’s and studio’s closure. I had to get burned by Robocraft in order to come to some realizations about the rot at the core of live service games, and it informed a lot of where I spend my time and money now.

    bjoern_tantau,
    @bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

    Yeah. Sometimes we’re lucky and get a leak of the cancelled game. Happened with the War Craft adventure game. It was almost finished. And it was really mid. Maybe up to today’s Blizzard standards but not back then.

    BigBenis,
    @BigBenis@lemmy.world avatar

    Cries in Star Wars: Battlefront 3

    baggins, do games w Would "suggest price" be a positive option for steam?

    What if it was a “notify me if this game goes to $x” instead. But the devs could still see it.

    haui_lemmy,

    That would be neat as well. :) thanks for sharing.

    Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    That would most likely be one of the better solutions.
    I think isthereanydeal works similar to that.

    JackGreenEarth, do games w What are some video game quotes that is stuck in your head?
    @JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

    You cannot sleep now; there are monsters nearby

    bighatchester,

    I hate this . I swear there must be monster under the floors in my main house right now . I can never use that bed but can’t find any monsters .

    JackGreenEarth,
    @JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

    You can try using the freecam mod if you don’t consider it too cheaty

    Kraiden, do games w Starfield's first DLC is one of the worst Bethesda DLCs of all time
    @Kraiden@kbin.earth avatar

    worst Bethesda DLC's released of all time

    Are we including Horse Armor here?

    Deceptichum,
    @Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

    Bethesda literally invented shitty DLC

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