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donuts, do gaming w Sony raising PS Plus pricing by 33%
@donuts@kbin.social avatar

Save your money, buy a Steam Deck or a desktop PC, play games online with the internet service that you already pay a shit ton of money for, and don't look back. It's really stupid that we allowed game consoles to charge us to play online.

arefx,

Steam deck is a great way to get into PC gaming if you don’t have a lot of money or a PC. It can run a lot of games. Enough that you won’t get bored any time soon.

RogueBanana,

I would say a pc would be cheaper if ur on a budget as u can easily get a bunch of used hardware and rig it together till you can afford something better for an upgrade

arefx,

Eh maybe if you’re hands on and want to take the time to find the deals on the parts. You could just dock a steam deck and plug in a key board mouse and monitor.

bitwolf,

Agreed. I built up a nice console PC using a used HP Pavilion Gaming PC.

Threw in a 50$ 32gb ram kit and a 60$ 2tb SSD.

Total cost <450$ and it’s a bit faster than a Steam Deck.

I wouldn’t call this beginner friendly compared to a deck, but the potential cost savings are real.

verysoft,

Yeah, if you can, get a PC, they might cost more initially but they pay for themselves in the long run. No reason to own a console.

I bet Steam machines would do better if they were released now.

sarsaparilyptus, do gaming w Sony raising PS Plus pricing by 33%

I’m not a console owner, are PlayStation owners really giving Sony $60 a year to play online multiplayer? It shouldn’t cost anything in the first place. If Valve or GoG or anyone else started trying to tell me I had to pay them extra to send certain packets through my router, I’d have a good laugh.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

It used to be charging you to send packets through servers that they (in this case, Sony) own, but now that may or may not be the predominant use case in this era of games as a service where the developer needs to run the game through their own servers anyway. The reason Valve, Epic, and CD Projekt don't charge you for it is because you're paying for it every time you buy a game through their stores, which also used to be a less prominent situation on consoles, but now well more than half of games are bought digitally on consoles as well. So PC has taken more and more market share while consoles continue upping the price of their mandatory subscription fees for online play, and one day they'll sit there scratching their heads, wondering where all of their customers went.

NightOwl,

I never did. I only got a PS4 for single player exclusives back in the day. Refused to pay for online access and had no interest in paying a monthly fee for rentals when I already had a backlog. And had my PC for everything else.

incendiaryperihelion,

While this is true, it does at least provide access to a large library of games 🤷‍♂️ im certainly not thrilled about the increase but when your primary game platform is ps5, what can you do

NightOwl,

Sell the PS5.

Teils13,

Large library of games is factually incorrect, you just do not know the scale of games in existence. Far more titles in Steam, gog, itch io, and with emulation this all goes to the square power, the largest library of games is a PC.

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

I did for a long time, now its to expensive to subscribe. Not to mention AAA games being a $80 piece of bloated garbage.

Gordon_Freeman,
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

I’m not a console owner, are PlayStation owners really giving Sony $60 a year to play online multiplayer?

It all started with the Xbox, since people did not questioned it and received it with open arms the others (Sony and Nintendo) just copied it. It's just matter of time we end up paying on PC too

Satiric_Weasel,

Yo-ho-ho matey.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

PCMR. No paid online bullshit

Teils13, (edited )

PC gaming is actually a competitive market that would still give players options to escape that (Gog, steam, Epic, itch and humble dumble, hell even Microsoft store and company launchers), it is not guaranteed to never happen because cartels happen, but it is far more hard and improbable than consoles, which are locked-down computers with unbreakable monopolies installed in then, at the mercy of the feudal lord of choice. PS: not to mention, Piracy, emulators and Libre games on linux.

strongarm,

Agreed, the best attempt was the subscription model for mmorpgs, but even that hasn’t been ubiquitous

belated_frog_pants,

Microsoft is seeing to that as fast as they can

ombremad,

Microsoft actually tried that during the 360 era with their “Games for Windows Live” service. You had to pay Live “Gold” in order to play online for those games, the exact same subscription required for online gaming on Xbox.

The whole service was so poorly done, so intrusive, and so un-PC, that it didn’t stick with PC gamers.

Nowadays, with quite a few PC gamers already paying for the Game Pass subscription and a rather streamlined experience for PC, I wonder if things would turn out differently somehow.

Omegamanthethird,

It was a discussion. And XBox Live was a significantly better experience than PSN. A lot of people were happy to have the premium online experience on PS4 vs the barebones PS3 experience.

To be clear, I had PS Plus on the PS3 when it was just unlocked (free-ish) games and extra discounts. And most of my favorite playstation multiplayer was on the PS3. So I was mostly indifferent to the change.

RxBrad,
@RxBrad@lemmings.world avatar

Multiplayer and three free games added to your library every month.

vinceman,

Do you keep them or do you have to be subscribed to play them? Really gonna sway my opinion on this tbh.

Mr_Buscemi,

You gotta keep your subscription active to play those games.

At least Xbox let you always keep the Xbox 360 games that were on free each month until they canceled that earlier this year.

Xanvial,

If it’s free games (like Fortnite) there’s no need to pay ps plus subscription

Telorand, do gaming w OlliOlli, Kerbal Space Program Teams Shut Down by GTA Publisher

The news follows confirmation from Take-Two it plans to let go of 600 full-time workers to save $165 million annually, which was shared a few weeks ago. That is despite making billions upon billions of dollars as a result of the GTA series.

Why make billions of dollars when you could make billions and one? /s

Shirasho,

You know they aren’t paying their employees $275,000/year average. There is way more to that number than just letting go 600 employees.

shiveyarbles, do gaming w Sony raising PS Plus pricing by 33%

It’s a good thing we all got 33% pay raises… Right?

Sparkko, do gaming w Sony raising PS Plus pricing by 33%
@Sparkko@kbin.social avatar

The higher upfront hardware costs of a decent PC become more worth it every day. Screw Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.

NightOwl,

And it’s capable of productivity with free tools like blender, visual studio code, and da vinci resolve. So that extra hardware can be used beyond just gaming.

SirSauceLordtheThird,
@SirSauceLordtheThird@beehaw.org avatar

I view my pc as a hobbyist’s tool, instead of solely a gaming device. It has helped me learn many things outside of gaming, all the information it can get me and all the things i can do on it are frankly overwhelming.
Totally worth what I paid for this pc, 100%.

NightOwl,

Yeah, looking for non video game related reasons to make use of the hardware makes me appreciate the flexibility that more open hardware allows.

jcarax,

And let’s not forget porn.

Zevlen,

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  • Exec,
    @Exec@pawb.social avatar

    kek

    bur

    bitwolf,

    And you can play all of your historical games, and emulate every console since the dawn of time.

    Jaxseven,
    @Jaxseven@beehaw.org avatar

    Let’s not forget to mention the Steam Deck’s low price for pretty great PC gaming. Even more so for the refurbished entry models which are nearly the same price as the last GPU I recommended to someone (secondhand 6700 XT). I’ve been surprised how good of an experience I’ve had with Baldur’s Gate 3 on the Deck.

    Onihikage, do gaming w OlliOlli, Kerbal Space Program Teams Shut Down by GTA Publisher
    @Onihikage@beehaw.org avatar

    Why are you all so upset? These stock buybacks don’t pay for themselves, you know!

    God I hate the stock market.

    DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w Sony raising PS Plus pricing by 33%

    Does Sony really think they can charge more than fucking Game Pass???

    Fapper_McFapper, do gaming w Sony raising PS Plus pricing by 33%

    Well goodbye PS plus it was nice while it lasted. Jesus Christ why does every fucking service have to enshitify? Why goddamnit?!

    Richie030,

    I’ve got premium till May next year, always buy on Black Friday sales, cancelled my renewal, I can’t justify that price. Hopefully everyone cancels their renewal, they get the message and undo the damage.

    Omegamanthethird,

    I’m probably switching from Premium to Essential. I might drop it completely. I really don’t game online much.

    whatthecaptcha,
    @whatthecaptcha@lemmy.one avatar

    Yeah I’m not going to pay any more than what I already pay for PS+ just to help people on Elden Ring. I don’t play any of the shit they give you on PS+ anyway so I’m out.

    VentraSqwal,

    I know it’s become a meme, but because capitalism. I’m surprised gamers more gamers aren’t against it because it only ever makes our favorite hobby so much worse.

    NightOwl,

    I stopped being amazed when console gamers argued on behalf of a billion dollar corporation for why online multiplayer had to be paid.

    popcap200, do gaming w The Last of Us 2 PS5 Remaster Announced, Has a Brand New Survival Mode, $10 Upgrade Path

    These remasters after only a few years are wild.

    DebatableRaccoon,

    I think the term you’re looking for is “greedy”

    knokelmaat,

    I find 10$ a very decent value, far from greedy to be honest. This is not the same as TLOU part 1 where you had to pay full price even if you already had a previous version.

    DebatableRaccoon,

    It’s 10 extra dollars for a game you already own which is why it’s greedy.

    knokelmaat,

    You are still able to play the PS4 version on your PS5, so no you’re not paying 10 dollars for a game you already own.

    You’re paying 10 dollars for Dualsense rumble support, extra roguelike mode and lots of other PS5 specific updates like support for fast loading.

    Never_Sm1le,
    @Never_Sm1le@lemdro.id avatar

    At least it seems decent. I’m a fan of Rune Factory franchise but can’t fathom the latest Rune Factory 3 Special, which is an AI upscaled of the original on NDS

    Never_Sm1le,
    @Never_Sm1le@lemdro.id avatar

    At least it seems decent. I’m a fan of Rune Factory franchise but can’t fathom the latest Rune Factory 3 Special, which is an AI upscaled of the original on NDS

    Thalestr,
    !deleted6828 avatar

    Gotta double-dip for more profit.

    conciselyverbose, (edited )

    The tech difference between the PS4 and PS5 is massive.

    It genuinely can be a complete overhaul, more than just graphically. Also worth noting is that the $10 cost is just the difference in pricing from last gen, and doing split gen like that has let them keep the PS4 versions the same pricing without making them rebuy games when they get a new console. They just make up the difference.

    I don't and won't buy a lot of full priced games because I can wait, but their approach really isn't that bad.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

    I have trouble reconciling that with the PC market, where the same version of a game I bought 4 years ago would be able to run at better resolutions and frame rates the next time I get a new machine. From where I sit, it does just appear to be worse value in the console space.

    conciselyverbose,

    PC would just not offer the discounted last gen version.

    And also can't do either the seamless loading (or the controller features unless it's hard wired) that are the defining features.

    MossyFeathers, do gaming w OlliOlli, Kerbal Space Program Teams Shut Down by GTA Publisher

    Just Take-Two being Take-Two.

    Take-Two? More like, Take-Two-Massive-Shits-On-Your-Favorite-Games.

    Anticorp, do gaming w Sony raising PS Plus pricing by 33%

    Are they still going to auto renew this shit even though they massively increased the price? That should be illegal. I would have never seen the increase until after it was billed if not for this post.

    Do you guys remember when prices used to go up like 3-5%? I guess corporations started taking notes from the fricken DMV.

    gk99,

    Considering their subscription competitor costs $204 a year while they were at $120/yr, I think it’s pretty clear why they boosted the upper tiers so much. Even with this price increase, it’s still $44 cheaper than Ultimate and imo a better overall value in terms of game quality.

    What’s really trash is that they’re increasing the price of the base PS+ membership, and by so much. It now costs $150 a year to play just Madden, CoD, or EA Soccer, on top of a minimum $400 console purchase. That’s absurd. I would say this is a W for Xbox, but they already tried to increase the price of Gold and they’ll definitely try again now that they know there’s no escaping it.

    …Other than buying a PC.

    Skiptrace,

    Gold is going away and getting a value increase. It’s becoming “Gamepass Core” it retains Online function, and gets 25 Gamepass Games.

    Microsoft only increased the price by like, 2 dollars. Not this nonsense.

    Anticorp,

    The base tier is entirely bullshit. You shouldn’t need to pay them money to access the internet that you already pay another company for. The base tier shouldn’t exist.

    szczuroarturo,

    Oh yeach paying for playing online games is such a bulshit. I never really complained about it online beacuse i was buying ps plus on ps3 when it only gave you games ( beacuse i do buy it only for games and i would never pay it to play online games) so it never really affected me but this is such a bs. Im suprised there wasnt a bigger outcry against it.

    XTornado,

    I mean… Usually in this cases once they charge you you can still ask for a refund as long as it hasn’t passed a lot of days but yeah I agree is shit.

    mino, do gaming w Sony raising PS Plus pricing by 33%

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  • red,

    The subscription also includes free games, though

    Aradina,

    Only if you continue paying. You lose access when you stop. So, they’re not free, you pay monthly for them.

    Whirling_Ashandarei, (edited )

    Those are the catalogue games, but you also get the monthly free games that once claimed are yours. They are considered “purchased” I believe.

    Edit: I’m wrong, did some googling.

    ScoobyDoo27,

    Those games are not purchased. You lose them when you unsubscribe to ps plus.

    Whirling_Ashandarei,

    Yep, just looked it up to make sure and I’m wrong. Wow, that sucks. I was already halfway out the door on my way to PC, this just confirms that.

    Gordon_Freeman,
    @Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

    To have access to those "free games" you have to pay first, so how come they are free when they are asking money for them?

    Free is this:

    https://www.gog.com/en/game/hero_of_the_kingdom_ii

    No payments required and you keep it forever

    NightOwl,

    “rentals” since they cease to work once the subscription lapses. Just like how Netflix isn’t giving away free movies and TV shows.

    viking, do gaming w OlliOlli, Kerbal Space Program Teams Shut Down by GTA Publisher

    I guess KSP 2 won’t ever be better than KSP 1. That sucks.

    sub_, do gaming w The Last of Us 2 PS5 Remaster Announced, Has a Brand New Survival Mode, $10 Upgrade Path

    Normally I’d say it’s a greedy cash grab, but it’s $10 upgrade path for existing owner, instead of reselling it for $50 - $70? Also there’s a new rouge-like / souls-like mode? Maybe branding this release as ‘remaster’ is not doing them any favor, it’d probably better for them to market it as free PS5 upgrade and a survival mode expansion for $10.

    Jordan Middler from VGC heard that this might be a project for new hires https://postimg.cc/gX28TY3r

    Ian Stokes (@IanVanCheese) from Twitter posted that “If I was Sony, I would maybe let my S-tier studio that excels at making new IPs and interesting games actually make new games, instead of forcing them to photocopy their previous A+ report card for eternity”

    to which Jordan Middler from VGC (@JordanMiddler) replied “From what I was told from one person, this was more of a project for new hires to get them in the game. Druckmann’s team is full steam ahead on original. One doesn’t takeaway from the other afaik”

    I really hope that Naughty Dog would move on to do something more cheerful than TLOU, the mood is just too oppressive and taxing, especially in TLOU2 where the game is very long.

    ConstableJelly,

    I personally think TLOU2 is one of the most effective works of art in the entire medium and I love the game top to bottom, but I’m also overjoyed to hear they’re working on something else now.

    I too hope it’s more cheerful, for the exact same reasons.

    dinckelman, do gaming w Sony raising PS Plus pricing by 33%

    If you guys ever wonder why a seemingly modern computer goes for half of what a normal PC costs, this is why. They'll milk you dry with subscriptions like this

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