Save your money, buy a Steam Deck or a desktop PC, play games online with the internet service that you already pay a shit ton of money for, and don't look back. It's really stupid that we allowed game consoles to charge us to play online.
Steam deck is a great way to get into PC gaming if you don’t have a lot of money or a PC. It can run a lot of games. Enough that you won’t get bored any time soon.
I would say a pc would be cheaper if ur on a budget as u can easily get a bunch of used hardware and rig it together till you can afford something better for an upgrade
Eh maybe if you’re hands on and want to take the time to find the deals on the parts. You could just dock a steam deck and plug in a key board mouse and monitor.
People have been telling me that consoles are dying and everyone will play on PC instead for over 30 years. The convenience factor of the all-in-one hardware, and the supported lifetime of the platform, can’t be understated. I can see docked phones being a replacement at some point. But I’d be surprised if PCs ever squash out consoles.
PC is already larger than active users on both PlayStations combined, and it didn’t used to be that way. Given the Steam Deck and what Microsoft have been saying about handhelds and their next console(s), you’re looking at a very real possibility that the next Xbox is just a PC with a different UI, like the Steam Deck.
It’s honestly the best of both worlds. A well built and tested hardware platform with well known specs and manufacturer support, that’s capable of running any third party software at the drop of a hat
Now we’re in philosophical territory with questions like, “What is a console?” It runs PC games, but you can navigate it with a controller. It has most console features but is malleable enough to have most PC features.
sure, it’s a spectrum. but to me the biggest defining feature of a console is being a self-contained wad of hardware, unable to be upgraded or repaired piece by piece.
Then it arguably isn’t that either. They give you full instructions on how to repair and upgrade it, and they partnered with iFixIt. People have modded in more storage, battery life, and better screens. Personally, I think I draw the line at the part where it runs the same executables as any other PC, so I’ll call it a PC.
I upgraded my Steamdeck joysticks to a 3rd party with hall effect sensors, the ssd to one with double the capacity, and the fan to one that is silent. There’s people that have upgraded even more things, to the point of using a pcie flat cable to connect a full pcie GPU card.
Steam Deck checks this, but so do laptops, raspberry pis and smartphones.
unable to be upgraded or repaired piece by piece.
Again Steam Deck is almost as upgradable and repairable as a laptop, and more repairable than a raspberry pi or a smartphone.
So that definition of console doesn’t work, otherwise raspberry pies, laptops, and especially phones would also be consoles. The differentiating factor is locking of the system with the hardware, in that sense Apple is more “console-like” than non-Apple competitors. Also The primary function of a gaming console must be gaming.
With those two extra points the Steam Deck hits one but misses the other. It is primarily for gaming, but the system is not locked down, you can change it how you want and even remove it entirely and put a different one.
So with any definition you can find the Steam Deck is not quite a console, but it does provide a console experience, so it’s in a weird space.
Not really? Conceptually maybe. But if you can install whatever OS you want and aren’t forced to use official distribution methods then that seems pretty PC to me
The steam deck is a PC in a handheld form factor. It simply runs Linux and defaults to steams big picture mode (a console esque interface). You can still enter a desktop mode and use firefox and a word processor
Aside from convenience, the price really is a lot cheaper than equivalent PCs. An RTX 4070 alone costs as much as a playstation 5 (with disc), and that comes with a controller too.
But you don’t really need a 4070 for gaming. Just like you don’t need a F150 to drive to work (most people don’t at least). Plenty of lower end hardware does the job well. Over the course of the systems lifetime a PC can be very competitive in terms of prices for games. And it can be used for more than just gaming.
Yeah, it’s the wrong generation and has a little too much power, the closest would probably be a 3060 which was available shortly after the launch of the PS5. But it was still more than half the price of a PS5 and you need more than a GPU for a computer.
But you also don’t have to pay for online monthly you get better deals on games and or free if you’re one to sail the seas imo they save you money in the long run and you can do so much more then just play games on it compared to a console
That’s not really a fair comparison though. The ps5 has nowhere near the gpu power of a 4070. The PS5 is equal to like a low-mid range PC. Also console players are paying yearly subscription fees to play multiplayer. Plus you can think of the display as a cost as well. You need a monitor or TV, just like a PC. PC is likely more expensive overall, but not by as much as people think. Plus PC gives you so many perks over consoles. So you’re getting a ton more functionality for your money. It’s really not a HUGE DEAL to get a console once you factor these things in. Deal, sure. But not a huge deal.
Game passes exist for PC as well, and offer even more variety there.
Boot time should never take 30sec on PC as well. But most consoles are actually not much faster in boot and loading times. People tend to compare a PC booting from cold with a console just booting from sleep/hibernation mode.
Boot times on PC however can easily be further optimized, especially when not using Windows for gaming. A gaming Linux distro will be faster by leagues, even in a cold start.
I think in the near future, game-passes will cost one AAA game per month. Otherwise, I don’t see how it will be sustainable business. Microsoft has already started increasing the price. I hope it doesn’t happen though.
Eh I’m not sure I really do agree on the cost. Because like you need to add another $400 onto the ps5 cost for 5 years worth of online fees to pay miltiplayer (assuming they don’t raise prices in 5 years, which they most definitely will) so now you’re up about $1K USD or more. I just used 5 years of fees since i figured new consoles come out every 5ish years. Could even be longer. No one seems to factor this in when describing console prices. Rember, there are NO online fees with PC (unless it’s a MMO with a subsciption fee or something but 99% games do not charge for online play.)
Also again, remember that a ps5 is a low-mid range PC. I think you can build a low-mid range PC for $1k or a bit higher, (crazy how expensive it is these days. $1k used to be a high end PC lol.)
Lastly, you’ll need to buy another controller for ps5 probably. So that’s another $50 or $60 or whatever the hell they cost these days. Maybe even a headset/microphone - not sure if those come with the ps5.
A comparable PC is probably still more expensive, but not really by that much…
Sure. It’s probably like 20% cheaper with much less functionality, like none to little customization/modding, and gives an inferior HDR presentation. But it’s cheaper yes. so your point is proven, but it’s badly wounded.
I have about 100 games at this point I’ve gotten for free from Epic alone. Add in a few every year from steam and GOG, yeah not a great argument against PC…
Yeah, but now you can buy an all-in-one convenient PC to plug on your TV with almost 100% retro compatibility, it’s called the Steam Deck and it’s awesome.
It may not be a replacement, though they can work hand in hand amazingly.
I’ve found that as long as I leave my pc running at home, I’m able to just hop on 4G mobile data through my phone and stream the vast majority of games.
I wouldn’t try this for multi-player games, but when I want to play Warhammer when I’m away this does the trick!
Or even at home, no more hauling the pc to the TV. Stick it in the corner, and simply stream over wifi.
Personally the only games not able to played on my deck are games like Starfield, which thankfully doesn’t bother me one bit. (Though it worked perfectly being streamed from my 1660ti).
Now if you’re a graphics snob then no, the deck can not compare to a pc. But neither can a console.
Yup, you can buy the official dock or really any usb-C dock. Resolution can be set, so you can even do 4k on it if the tv supports it and the deck can handle it for that game
Im with you except for the “supported lifetime,” I have a PC that can play the original Doom alongside Cyberpunk 2077 with raytracing, and literally everything in between.
My PS3 can play at most a decade worth of games. It is obsolete.
Not necessarily. You can incremently upgrade your pc over time. Typically for cheaper than a brand new console. Generally as long as you have a nice enough mobo, you could just replace the GPU and suddenly “be able to play next gen games”
I still believe mobile PC’s (like the ROG or Deck) will be the new consoles of the future. Why the hell would I trap myself to a room every time I want to play a game? Now I can walk to any random forest, lake, area, and go play Cyberpunk 2077 for 4 hours with nothing but nature.
Right. Fair enough. But, as another user said, I can upgrade that PC. I’ve technically had the “same PC” since like 2015. At this point, there are no pieces of the original left, but I never went out and spend $1000 on a new rig up front.
Also, that still doesn’t make consoles look amy better. Because, when the PS3 became obsolete, and I went and got a PS4, what happened to my PS3 library? It’s still locked to my PS3. Even if we did have to go buy new computers every 7 years, they’s still all run the original Doom as well as newer games, and everything in between. All this, while also being able to file my taxes.
But the non-pro version with a disk drive is half that price. The thing is they haven’t even been that many games for the PlayStation 5 anyway so I can’t imagine it’s going to be a lot that’s going to take advantage of the pro.
Damn… originally it was rumored to be the late ‘00s meme price. With how powerful the regular PS5 is, I don’t see the value in that… even more if you want a disc drive? That’s close to mid-high end computer price.
I’m not a console owner, are PlayStation owners really giving Sony $60 a year to play online multiplayer? It shouldn’t cost anything in the first place. If Valve or GoG or anyone else started trying to tell me I had to pay them extra to send certain packets through my router, I’d have a good laugh.
It used to be charging you to send packets through servers that they (in this case, Sony) own, but now that may or may not be the predominant use case in this era of games as a service where the developer needs to run the game through their own servers anyway. The reason Valve, Epic, and CD Projekt don't charge you for it is because you're paying for it every time you buy a game through their stores, which also used to be a less prominent situation on consoles, but now well more than half of games are bought digitally on consoles as well. So PC has taken more and more market share while consoles continue upping the price of their mandatory subscription fees for online play, and one day they'll sit there scratching their heads, wondering where all of their customers went.
I never did. I only got a PS4 for single player exclusives back in the day. Refused to pay for online access and had no interest in paying a monthly fee for rentals when I already had a backlog. And had my PC for everything else.
While this is true, it does at least provide access to a large library of games 🤷♂️ im certainly not thrilled about the increase but when your primary game platform is ps5, what can you do
Large library of games is factually incorrect, you just do not know the scale of games in existence. Far more titles in Steam, gog, itch io, and with emulation this all goes to the square power, the largest library of games is a PC.
I’m not a console owner, are PlayStation owners really giving Sony $60 a year to play online multiplayer?
It all started with the Xbox, since people did not questioned it and received it with open arms the others (Sony and Nintendo) just copied it. It's just matter of time we end up paying on PC too
PC gaming is actually a competitive market that would still give players options to escape that (Gog, steam, Epic, itch and humble dumble, hell even Microsoft store and company launchers), it is not guaranteed to never happen because cartels happen, but it is far more hard and improbable than consoles, which are locked-down computers with unbreakable monopolies installed in then, at the mercy of the feudal lord of choice. PS: not to mention, Piracy, emulators and Libre games on linux.
Microsoft actually tried that during the 360 era with their “Games for Windows Live” service. You had to pay Live “Gold” in order to play online for those games, the exact same subscription required for online gaming on Xbox.
The whole service was so poorly done, so intrusive, and so un-PC, that it didn’t stick with PC gamers.
Nowadays, with quite a few PC gamers already paying for the Game Pass subscription and a rather streamlined experience for PC, I wonder if things would turn out differently somehow.
It was a discussion. And XBox Live was a significantly better experience than PSN. A lot of people were happy to have the premium online experience on PS4 vs the barebones PS3 experience.
To be clear, I had PS Plus on the PS3 when it was just unlocked (free-ish) games and extra discounts. And most of my favorite playstation multiplayer was on the PS3. So I was mostly indifferent to the change.
The news follows confirmation from Take-Two it plans to let go of 600 full-time workers to save $165 million annually, which was shared a few weeks ago. That is despite making billions upon billions of dollars as a result of the GTA series.
Why make billions of dollars when you could make billions and one? /s
And it’s capable of productivity with free tools like blender, visual studio code, and da vinci resolve. So that extra hardware can be used beyond just gaming.
I view my pc as a hobbyist’s tool, instead of solely a gaming device. It has helped me learn many things outside of gaming, all the information it can get me and all the things i can do on it are frankly overwhelming.
Totally worth what I paid for this pc, 100%.
Let’s not forget to mention the Steam Deck’s low price for pretty great PC gaming. Even more so for the refurbished entry models which are nearly the same price as the last GPU I recommended to someone (secondhand 6700 XT). I’ve been surprised how good of an experience I’ve had with Baldur’s Gate 3 on the Deck.
The improvements of steam and proton, steamlink and big picture mode make it possible to run great games on your TV. Its not „just turn on“ yet but we‘re getting there. I wanted a PS5 when they were unavailable but I since managed to play my favorite games on my tv with a ps4 controller and dont see the point to buy back into a locked up computer with a fancy case for games that have microstransactions gallore.
Not to mention that if you’re already playing PS4 games, a PS5 isn’t opening up a lot more games for you and many PS4 ports to PS5 run worse than their PS4 counterparts.
Its not „just turn on“ yet but we‘re getting there
I think we are 99% there. If you make a decent AMD based machine, install Bazzite on it, you can set it to “Open in Big Picture mode on startup”. After the initial configuration in desktop mode (you need to do this only once during installation), you can just start the PC and sit in your couch. No need to download drivers or any desktop shenanigans. You control it using any standard game controller. No need for a mouse/kb; just start and play.
Thats pretty awesome! :) thanks for sharing. Do you know by any chance if kodi has a steam app somewhere? I‘m going with a raspberry pi and it works well as a client for media but not yet for steam.
If it’s a game I’m going to get hundreds, or sometimes thousands of hours from, then I’ll pay more. If you look at price per hour spent on entertainment, it’s hard to compare. However, you often have to wade through a bunch of shitty overpriced games to find those gems.
I’m kind of in a different boat with this. I’m paying for quality, not quantity. Especially since I don’t have as much free time as I did 20 years ago.
So if I can play through a phenomenal story within a couple months over a 20 hour game (which usually takes me 30 hours) at the height of the hype when people are still talking about it, I love it. Give me efficient storytelling.
In fact, if it’s something longer, it kind makes me rethink it whether I want to pay full price. Why rush?
I am the same. Game could take 60 hours to complete, and 50 of them are dogshit. Then it’s not a fun game. It’s all about the overall quality of the entire experience.
I would gladly pay $100 for Subnautica 2 if they could pull off another amazing adventure. Would do the same for another Larian studio game.
While I agree with the mind set, I don’t feel the industry is set up to allow consumers to make such informed decisions.
We have review embargos (hey just don’t preorder bro), paid for reviews, blatant lies or mis representation in ads. Demos are few and far in-between. It’s hard to want to pay for more than 60 these days given the constant anti consumer practices that happen in the gaming industry. Why would I pay you more when you clearly don’t respect your customers (most publishers)
I’m at the point where I don’t buy a game until it is on sale and has a ton of reviews. I have such a huge backlog, it doesn’t bother me to not play the latest thing.
I do the same, follow my patient gamer philosophy.
Until that time I can play guitar and likely have more fun repeatedly failing to learn a new rift. It’s sad that sucking at a guitar is more fun than most modern games.
I don’t think there’s ever been more game demos than there are right now, even going back to the PC shareware era. I can’t even keep up with all of them on Next Fest these days, much less play any significant number of them.
Also, if your desired game is on GOG, they have a friendly return policy. That hasn’t been a thing since the compact disc era started, so it’s nice to have again.
Sits back in porch chair, Back in my day you could get a fully complete console game wið online multiplayer and all ð bells and whistles, for just ÞIRTY DOLLARS
alþough I stand by the opinion þat þe voiced-voicless distinction between þorn and eð is someþing superimposed onto English later on, as eð and þorn were used interchangeably for a time and it was more a question of time period raþer þan voicedness
I mean ð distinction is well and truly ðere now, so a spelling reform ðat tries to reinstate a spelling convention from a period when it wasn’t is really just slapping a coat of paint on the same kinds of historical spelling issues ðat English still has.
To me bringing ðem back isn’t a matter of restoring old spelling, it’s a matter of using what once was to make something ðat works for the here and now.
My point is more þat we don’t really need þe distinction, a lot of other phonemes are ambiguous in English, and þey’ve not coexisted for a long time historically. Early English mostly used eð, middle English mostly þorn. Not faulting you for using boþ at all, I þink þat’s also valid
Games have been around 60 dollars for over 30 years now. Not sure what you’re on about. If they had gone up 10 bucks with each console generation they would be like 150 at this point.
Moderate Inflation (around the 2% target) is necessary for the current economical system to function. It incentivizes people to either invest or spend their money instead of sitting on it.
I’ve got premium till May next year, always buy on Black Friday sales, cancelled my renewal, I can’t justify that price. Hopefully everyone cancels their renewal, they get the message and undo the damage.
Yeah I’m not going to pay any more than what I already pay for PS+ just to help people on Elden Ring. I don’t play any of the shit they give you on PS+ anyway so I’m out.
I know it’s become a meme, but because capitalism. I’m surprised gamers more gamers aren’t against it because it only ever makes our favorite hobby so much worse.
I find 10$ a very decent value, far from greedy to be honest. This is not the same as TLOU part 1 where you had to pay full price even if you already had a previous version.
At least it seems decent. I’m a fan of Rune Factory franchise but can’t fathom the latest Rune Factory 3 Special, which is an AI upscaled of the original on NDS
At least it seems decent. I’m a fan of Rune Factory franchise but can’t fathom the latest Rune Factory 3 Special, which is an AI upscaled of the original on NDS
The tech difference between the PS4 and PS5 is massive.
It genuinely can be a complete overhaul, more than just graphically. Also worth noting is that the $10 cost is just the difference in pricing from last gen, and doing split gen like that has let them keep the PS4 versions the same pricing without making them rebuy games when they get a new console. They just make up the difference.
I don't and won't buy a lot of full priced games because I can wait, but their approach really isn't that bad.
I have trouble reconciling that with the PC market, where the same version of a game I bought 4 years ago would be able to run at better resolutions and frame rates the next time I get a new machine. From where I sit, it does just appear to be worse value in the console space.
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