bin.pol.social

Restaldt, do games w I accidentally bought a game while my VPN was on

Its already too late.

Every relevant law enforcement and investigation agency from the fbi to interpol have been notified

HawlSera,

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I DON’T WANT TO GO TO JAIL!

hogart,
@hogart@feddit.nu avatar

Texting from the inside. See you soon. I’ll get you a burner from Buba.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

It’s been 3h. I think they nabbed 'em

CmdrShepard,

This is your local sherif, and I demand $10000 paid in ITunes gift cards or else we will issue a warrant for your arrest.

HawlSera,

Oh fuck!

KoboldCoterie, do games w Recommendation engine: Downvote any game you've heard of before
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

In Grotto, you play the role of a soothsayer living in a cave who is occasionally visited by members of a tribal society living nearby. They come to you with problems, and they want you to present your opinion, but you can’t speak. You have access to constellations of stars, which each hold different meanings, and you must present your answers in the form of a single constellation, which the petitioners are left to interpret.

You’ll feel a bit of frustration as your intended message is missed completely in favor of something that the petitioner wanted to hear, and the same constellation might mean different things to different people, but that’s just part of the game. The story unfolds around you and its progression is communicated to you only through the explanations your petitioners give for their visit. Each is a uniquely unreliable narrator, so what you believe is for you to decide.

Two endings, and an interesting story with some occasionally unexpected consequences that might make you feel bad, so if a game giving you a case of the sads is unappealing, maybe take that into consideration.

match,
@match@pawb.social avatar

fantastic game by the makers of Laika, check out their whole ludography

JoMiran, do games w Fuck Ubisoft.
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar
Katana314,

— A man that put his VR game exclusively on his own digital distribution platform.

TonyTonyChopper,
@TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz avatar

…a platform that works much better than the others… and a game that has been made with more love than anything in the past half a decade

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You are fully justified to put your own developed stuff where youwant to.
On this one point I side with Ubisoft.

TwilightVulpine,

Yeah, this particular argument goes back around to validating Ubisoft

A_Very_Big_Fan,

The problem isn’t that Ubisoft is using their own launcher, it’s that their launcher blows ass

Wrench,

On their own game engine.

Built to showcase their specific VR hardware. That they built after getting burned from multiple VR companies who abused Valves good will of providing access to their patent protected VR tech for free, to help accelerate the VR industry.

Signtist, do games w Pop it in your calendars
@Signtist@bookwyr.me avatar

They did all this because they know that the vast majority of the playerbase will never hear about this, and many of those that do will either forget, or simply not care enough to boycott the game. We're in an age of apathy across the board, with so much bad press that any given scandal just fades into the background noise.

RizzRustbolt,

Who’s the streamer that boosted the Don’t Kill Games petition? Get them on it.

AnAverageSnoot,

PirateSoftware

Enkrod,

Accurate but also not. PewDiePie came out in favour and PirateSoftware lied about it. But I think Thor lying created a huge burst of coverage about how he’s wrong and really created lots of noise about it.

AnAverageSnoot,

Oh I misunderstood the question. I thought they were asking who ironically boosted the petition.

osaerisxero, do games w Skill issue
@osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org avatar

🌏👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

🌏👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

I get the meme, but I don’t know how to apply it to this post.

Could someone elaborate?

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

osaerisxero,
@osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org avatar

The line at the bottom, the reply to the wall of text

"Noted. misogyny is a skill issue"

always has been

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Ahh, ok. Thanks. Was focusing on the body/paragraph of the text.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/legalcode.en

PunnyName,

“Always has been”

Balinares,

I am in mad love with this Darmok-ass comment.

osaerisxero,
@osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Damon's Gatsby, his glass raised

TheDoozer,

Damon? Do you mean Dicaprio?

DannyBoy,
ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar
the_riviera_kid,

Darmok and Jalad when the misogynist raged.

TimeSquirrel, (edited ) do games w What are some video game quotes that is stuck in your head?
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

KILLING SPREE!

RAMPAGE!

DOUBLE KILL!

M-M-M-MONSTER KILL!

Edit: oh yeah and Duke at an arcade cabinet of his own game: "Don't have time to play with myself."

spankmonkey,
@spankmonkey@lemmy.world avatar

We had a silly mod for Unreal Tournament back in the day for LAN parties that switched out the headshot theme for crotch shots. Whoever did the voice was spot on with the game’s announcer.

CROTCH SHOT!

CROTCH SPREE!

CROTCH RAMPAGE!

CROTCH DOMINATION!

ramble81,

ULTRA KILL!

HOLY SHIT!

Yes that last one actually existed in UT2004

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Especially when you maxed the graphics

youtu.be/p6oEBrAYowg

Anticorp,

HUMILIATION

JustEnoughDucks,
@JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

Also in UT1999 right? It sits in my memory, but all my friends only played ut1999 until like 2012 lol.

fsxylo,

HEADSHOT

kozy138,

HEADSHOT!

mercano,
@mercano@lemmy.world avatar

I’m curious, what voice to people hear these lines in, the default epic male announcer voice, or the super horny female announcer alternative?

scorp,
@scorp@lemmy.ml avatar

Time to chooooose

caseyweederman,

KILLAMANJARO

bionicjoey, do games w Valve issues DMCA takedown for "Team Fortress: Source 2"

Valve are well within their rights here. This isn’t new content or transformative. It’s literally trying to remake the same game using the same engine. These devs knew they were playing with fire. Never come between GabeN and his hats.

Stovetop, (edited )

Makes me wonder where their line is between this and Black Mesa, though.

Mountaineer,
@Mountaineer@aussie.zone avatar

I’d guess the fine line is “Valve intend to earn money from something official in the future”

duplexsystem,
gamermanh,

Black Mesa is a remake of a single player game that Valve wasn’t planning on remaking any time soon, more profitable to make it official and take a cut

TF2 actively still makes them sht tons of money, no profit in splitting the fan base

Vespair,

Imo, Trademark. Black Mesa is a concept from Half-Life, but “Black Mesa” to the best of my knowledge wasn’t a registered trademark. “Team Fortress/Team Fortress 2” are registered trademarks however, and that significantly changes the value and functionality of the specific terms.

MotoAsh,

That would only allow them the name, not the content. They always had to get Valve’s permission.

Vespair,

Yes, but it’s easier to give permission to use concepts that don’t infringe on trademark than it is to give permission on something that could be argued in court as muddying a trademark.

I know they require permission either way, but what permission they’re actually asking for changes based on what terminology they use

MotoAsh,

Well my point is that since the content is directly related, it actually doesn’t matter what they called it. It would’ve been exactly the same amount of infringement if they called it, “happy fun times at the science lab”.

The only differnce is it would’ve been less obvious to identify.

Vespair,

I get your point, my point is the infringement would be less egregious without trademark and thus easier for Valve to turn a blind eye to, or even potentially officially endorse via some potential deal à la Black Mesa.

But hey, I am fully willing to concede that I am just a layman with enormous distance from this topic and no specific expertise or insider knowledge, so the possibility of me being wrong is high

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

But we just got Portal Revolution some days ago, on steam.

Potatos_are_not_friends, (edited )

My thinking is that it was hot garbage that was trying to milk the TF2 name to grow their own fanbase. And valve didn’t want to be associated with that.

My guess is that Black Mesa looks great, had passionate people who were really communicating and engaging with Valve/community, didn’t infringe on the Half-Life trademark and it felt like a step forward, which is why it was allowed to continue AND even be brought to market.

Cybersteel,
@Cybersteel@lemmy.world avatar

They got a taste of their own medicine. They should have gotten rid of those low effort, asset swop games on the store then.

Draedron,

It being within their rights doesnt make it less shitty. Fuck IP

Vespair,

Unfortunately it’s not just well within their rights, it’s their legal obligation. The stupid situation that is America means that for them to be able to maintain their claim of ownership on the IP trademark, they have to both actively use the trademark and actively police unauthorized use of the trademark by others. If they don’t, they risk losing the right to claim the trademark, which wouldn’t just mean independents running servers for the game, but also would mean unscrupulous entities could produce and sell merchandise featuring the trademark en masse without having to seek permission from or pay any commissions to Valve.

It’s shitty, but it’s more shitty because of the stupid system we’ve built than because of any intentional malevolence on Valve’s part, imo.

Important caveat: I am not a legal professional and it is entirely possible my understanding of trademark law is flawed, but this is my earnest understanding of the situation.

baggins,

DMCA has nothing to do with trademarks

Vespair,

Well then I got nothin’ 🤷‍♂️

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

No, it isn’t.

Petrella v. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Inc.

It is hardly incumbent on copyright owners, however, to challenge each and every actionable infringement. And there is nothing untoward about waiting to see whether an infringer’s exploitation undercuts the value of the copyrighted work, has no effect on the original work, or even complements it. Fan sites prompted by a book or film, for example, may benefit the copyright owner. See Wu, Tolerated Use, 31 Colum. J. L. & Arts 617, 619–620 (2008).

eskimofry,

We need to change IP and copyright law to add a “use it or lose it” clause for games that have been left to languish for eternity.

A_Random_Idiot,

just result in companies releasing even shittier games just to protect their IPs.

Sorgan71,

Not eternity 95 years.

Essence_of_Meh, do games w The EU initiative for Stop Killing Games has reached the goal of 1 million signatures!!
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

Fresh update video from Ross about the campaign.

TL;DW:

  • There’s a chance many of the signatures for the EU petition aren’t real. Keep signing to build up a safety margin. Official suggestions are: 10% more minimum, 20% pretty OK, up to 40% more for an actual safety net.
  • Some countries had problems with signing using the digital ID system - suggests to use the manual method (instructions on the campaign page) or try again later.
  • Someone not related with the campaign released a SKG crypto. Don’t touch it, obviously.
  • Ross heard about people harassing Pirate Software, asks to stop.
  • He’s got a lot of messages to reply to, prioritises ones important to the campaign for now.
  • UK petition cleared 100k signatures. Number is most likely more reliable than the EU one.
  • Link about contacting UK MP’s for those who want to do more than just sign a petition.
Demdaru,

I tried five times to sign using digital ID system, five times failed. Tried once on my phone and…it worked. So try to check other medium if you’re having problem.

capuccino, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?
@capuccino@lemmy.world avatar

Portal 2.

bamboo,

This was a triumph

I’m making a note here

“Huge success”

It’s hard to overstate my satisfaction

warm,

We peaked in 2011.

SaltSong,
@SaltSong@startrek.website avatar

Portal 1 was flawless. Portal 2 had a crucial flaw.

Specifically, it was not Portal 1. Everything else was perfect.

capuccino,
@capuccino@lemmy.world avatar

Are you saying that Portal 2 is not perfect due is a sequel?

SaltSong,
@SaltSong@startrek.website avatar

Not a sequel. Just because it’s not Portal 1. The fact that it’s second is not the problem. The problem is that the first one was flawless.

thatKamGuy,

So the gaming equivalent of ‘chasing the dragon’? That tracks!

SaltSong,
@SaltSong@startrek.website avatar

chasing the dragon

Huh. I guess it might be.

Far from my first game, but my first perfect game. Yea, I guess that does track.

Akasazh,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Too few promises of cake

nogooduser,

In my opinion, Portal 2’s difficulty curve was off. It started in a good place and ended in a good place but was too easy for most of the game.

The two player section was fantastic though.

CTDummy, do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales

Microsoft is literally killing off game studios and dev jobs to fund AI. There’s absolutely no way that customers don’t get fucked when the end goal of game pass is met. Embrace, extend, extinguish. Plus, since SKG is a trending topic, you think they’ll think twice about killing games exclusively under GP or just dropping them? You’re not even paying for the games, just access. I got it a couple times when it was $1. After it went up I realised “oh cool so my entire library would be hostage for future price hikes”. Fuck that.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

What is SKG?

TheButter_ItSeeps,

Stop Killing Games

Tingle,

Stop Killing Games, in short it’s a campaign that’s pushing petitions to force developers to keep games playable when currently if a developer is done with it they will just shut servers and there can be o way to play the games any more, or provide code for someone else to be able to set up a way for them to still be played.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

Thanks. I wasn’t familiar with the abbreviation and of course Google offered no insights.

scala,

Fawkes is doing this. An indie studio, Buying out IPs that have shutdown their service. They re-released Defiance back in April and it’s been a huge success.

anamethatisnt, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Path of Exile, Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, Torchlight 2

toxicbubble, (edited )

this is the definitive list.

path of exile is most popular but has optional mtx(?)

titan quest and Torchlight are on multiple consoles. titan quest has a sequel in production

grim dawn is by the titan quest team, has a small file size, and runs well on older pcs.

glitches_brew,

Does Last Epoch belong on this list too?

toxicbubble,

I’ve only heard good things but haven’t tried it yet, probably does belong!

glitches_brew,

Ive had a ton of fun playing it!

PlantJam,

Yes it absolutely does belong! It’s officially launching on February 21, but it’s currently available in beta/early access.

Thorry84,

Yes! As a die hard Grim Dawn fan I can say Last Epoch is awesome. Grim Dawn is still better imho, but Last Epoch comes close. Both are excellent games one could easily put 100+ hours in and have a blast.

Croquette,

I just wish that I could start at a higher difficulty on Grim Dawn with the appropriate scaling. I don’t want to do the campaign 3 times just like old days.

Ketram,

Didn’t they just change the game with the last patch (still being updated, my God the devs are GOATed) so they you can play to 100 in any difficulty? I still imagine you get pasted in elite and ultimate if that’s your issue though.

Croquette,

I don’t know, haven’t played with that feature. The campaign with expansion is long enough that it was a pain to go through it to get to endgame.

It’s a good thing that you can skip that.

Ketram,

Yeah I’m hoping so as well, haven’t played since that patch. I got really burnt out spamming the story over and over too.

darth_helmet,

Path of exile charges for inventory QoL and with the ludicrous amount of different stuff that drops, it’s arguably kind of mandatory if you’re trying to complete seasonal objectives

bisby,

Its also free to play.

Or as some streamers say: its a $60 game with an incredibly generous free trial.

sadbehr,
@sadbehr@lemmy.nz avatar

For PoE you consider 30gb installed (on PS5 mind you) a large file size? Yes it has mtx, but it is not once pushed or advertised to you, and none of it is required for anything. They does improve the QoL of the game however.

CoD + WZ is around 240gb I think. Most modern AAA games are usually 90gb minimum.

toxicbubble,

true, I thought it was larger for some reason

sadbehr,
@sadbehr@lemmy.nz avatar

Some years ago they pretty much rewrote the entire base game code (or some parts of it) and tidied it up, reducing the overall size. It may be larger installed on PC (I’m on PS5) but I can’t imagine there being too much of a difference.

TheLugal,
@TheLugal@lemmy.world avatar

The MTX for PoE are within the “nice” ones. There’s extra stash tabs, but you don’t need to consider that until after the campaign. And then there’s cosmetics. No pay to win. And the MTX are on your account, so they will be on PoE2 as well.

GraniteM,

How is the couch co-op for Titan Quest? My SO and I spent a ton of time on Diablo 3 together and I might consider trying that again.

anamethatisnt,

No couch coop on PC, so I don’t know.
There is 2 player local coop for Playstation, XBox and Nintendo though
www.co-optimus.com/game/334/pc/titan-quest.html

shneancy, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

gamers, unironically, rise up. this isn’t going to end on niche porn games

Mk23simp,

Since this is caused by activist pressure on the payment processors, perhaps a grassroots activist campaign of our own could change their mind. Especially if we threaten to stop using their services in favor of any competitor that allows all legal purchases.

Katana314,

Hopefully you’re referring to Visa/Paypal, not Itch.

One place that comes to mind is Verotel. I barely know them, but supposedly one of their star attributes is their use for adult businesses. Likely someone else knows them better.

pupbiru, (edited )

visa have similar restrictions… the issue is that payment processor, merchant, card network, issuing bank, and acquiring bank (and a few more) are all different layers to facilitating a transaction… there are very few card networks in the world, and essentially people pay online using mostly either just visa or mastercard

technically you could probably run a site that only accepts amex, diners club, jcb, discover, etc but it really wouldn’t go well: people want to whip out their card (often their only method of online payment) and just pay and go

you’d also need to find a payment processor that would be comfortable taking on the risk of facilitating transactions around mastercard and visa… they might just cut them off from access to their network. sounds like extortion? yeah welcome to the world of banking, where in any other industry it’d be called a cartel

making things even more difficult is that by law in the US payment processors must offer at least 3 (i think? it might be 2?) “routes” (these things aren’t always straight forward - sometimes there are multiple card networks involved), so you probably have to have a pretty mature payment processor because they’d have to accept several of the alternative card networks

oh and you have to push various stats to the federal reserve which is a massive back and forth bureaucratic challenge even above the technical challenge of interfacing with some pretty awful systems. it often takes over a year to get things sorted unless you’re a “too big to fail” type customer

there are a buuuuunch of other spanners that get thrown into the works, but i’m not sure where the NDA line hits so i’m gonna just leave it there and say trust me, payment processing (distinct from payment gateway) is an absolute nightmare mess

Cocodapuf, (edited )

I’m not sure that works, like on a purely game theory level. If gamers start to apply pressure, threaten to stop buying games, the stores need to make a choice:

A. Risk facing the wrath of the gamers, sales are likely to drop. Possibly by a lot, perhaps 15-20%. That could keep up for months before stabilizing.

B. Risk facing the wrath of the payment processors, credit card sales will stop immediately, only alternative payment types get through. Sales drop by 80% overnight, over time some users will seek alternative payment methods, possibly resulting in only 50% less revenue than expected…

While both of those options are bad, one of them is totally fatal to their business.

Those numbers are of course only speculation, but that’s my best guess.

Mk23simp,

I meant pressing the payment processors, like those prude activists are.

skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

I find it offensive that the only effective way to combat this is to fight fire with fire and also make a big bitchy noise about this like the conservatives love to do. I have better things I would rather be doing with my life. But such are the times we live in I suppose.

Mk23simp,

In the short term, I think that collectively being Karens about it would be able to reverse the pressure, by steering the monopolists away from oppressing us. Because they are mainly motivated by money.

In the long term, take away their monopoly power.

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Any games with even mild nudity is next (like Nier)

ssroxnak,

Yep, then lgbtq games, then games with guns, then games with blood, so on and so on

XeroxCool,

Are you sure gun and violence culture is on the chopping block? In the American market?

hibsen,

It absolutely is. We only encourage gun and violence culture in real life, especially by authoritarian figures and their representatives. Allowing such in virtual spaces where no one can actually be hurt or killed runs counter to our patriotic ideals.

ssroxnak,

The big payment processors won’t let you buy firearm parts

troglodyke,
@troglodyke@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

It absolutely is, it’s naive to think these puritans will just decide to stop here

Xande,

GUNS are you nuts… Murican “morale” apostles might have infuenced the media worldwide, but if you take away guns… you lose Murica!

ssroxnak,

Collective Shout is Australian.

Xande,

Doesn’t matter… No guns… Murican outcry! 😁

Or they mope about you not wanting their “culture” and offer to bring their democrazy…

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

Activision, EA, Ubisoft, etc. would never let that happen.

DeLacue,

It’s already expanded. It started as going after “rape and incest” but now it’s all adult games. But a bunch of lgbtq games have already gotten hit. I am beyond furious.

Gloomy,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

Shit. Would you provide a source please?

shneancy,

i don’t know if any source has caught up yet, but a few days ago it was indeed just taboo kink games that were being targeted, now it seems all of itch.ios NSFW games are disappearing

RandomVideos,

Isnt that addressed in the post?

NikkiDimes, (edited )

I think all games being hit is a temporary measure while they get some sort of new process in place. We’ll see where things land.

Either way, card processing companies shouldn’t be dictating what kind of art consumers can consume, even if I don’t personally agree with the content of some of the worst offenders. If it’s not outright illegal, they can fuck off.

chunes,

You’re being too gracious. These companies could have given itch.io enough time to classify the games properly, but they didn’t.

NikkiDimes,

Oh for sure, fuck these companies. I’m just saying don’t take it out on Itch.io and their current scorched earth approach, their hands are tied.

belluck,

Here’s one example I came across on Bluesky

belluck,

Direct link to the game because the creator restricted who can view their posts on Bsky. Only viewable via a link or from their profile now, searching the name only returns a bunch of other dress-up games, but not this one, presumably because of the „Transgender“ tag.

Gloomy,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

Thanks for the context. Might have been caught up in the crossfire, but very worrying indeed.

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

It’s gonna stop once they hit a category that includes big AAA games. Once they start cutting into the revenue of Call of Duty or Assassin’s Creed the big developers should take a stance.

Baylahoo,

I’ve already seen a pretty big YouTuber cover that they are targeting GTA 6 now. It was either moistcritical or mudahar

SharkAttak,
@SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org avatar

How do I tell politely in a letter to MasterCard, that if I want to buy a horse dildo it's only MY fucking business?

shneancy,

buy a horse dildo with bitcoin and flaunt how they didn’t get any money from your transaction? idk man, i’m good at vague ideas, specifics are harder

Mustakrakish,

Neighbors being kidnapped: I sleep

Taking my fetish games: Real Shit

shneancy,

most of the world isn’t american. we can’t do anything about your government

Mustakrakish,

Capitalism is a global problem, its not contained to america. Replace neighbors being kidnapped with which ever country you’re in supporting a genocide and it still fits, and is likely accurate unless you’re like in Yemen.

TheAlbatross, do gaming w I'm still in full denial, personally.

Oh no I no longer can play the incredibly toxic matchmaking multi-player games and instead have to enjoy the automation, exploration, story, management and strategy games I’ve always loved

IDew,

Factorio, my beloved

capuccino,
@capuccino@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah. Now I only have like 3 hours to play by day and I’m not gonna waste them in losing.

Physnrd,

I’m the same way. I know some like the feeling of beating a hard boss after trying for hours, but I just don’t have that time.

ech,

The secret is they like the process of beating them too. It’s not all about “winning”.

FordBeeblebrox,

Hmm should I try different party combos in BG3 to see how the dialogue changes or run around a COD map getting shot in the back of the head every 9 seconds while ads for mtx strobe flash my corneas?

saltesc,

Feel kind of lucky. They weren’t so toxic when I was good. The only place to really find that was from the notorious Xbox Live kids experimenting with their first ever swear words.

It was when gaming reached a broader audience and wasn’t just for “nerds” that toxicity became commonplace. Went from making friends with strangers all the time to just default muting mics and avoiding communities.

Nowadays, the less reflex-deoendent, the more you’ll be surrounded by players from those days and the less toxicity. Compare HLL to MW, for example.

sp3ctr4l,

As always, the closer a game gets to being a full blown simulator, the older the playerbase tends to be.

Almost like arcady bs with autoaim and automatchmaking and very short game round times and superhuman movement capabilities appeal to people with poor impulse control.

… of course you can then go way, way too far into fullblown sim territory and end up with actual geriatrics and/or turboautists, lol.

(I say this lovingly as a turboautist who has spent probably an unhealthy amount of time in various niche sim communities, lol)

saltesc,

Kind of. Growing up playing Counter-Strike and Battlefield titles, toxicity was still a much rarer thing than these days. Hell, smacktalk wasn’t even a thing unless playing with friends and joking around.

sp3ctr4l,

Hrm, I encountered plenty of toxic assholes back on CS and BF/42/Vietnam/2, to the point that I had to explicitly seek out better communities, and then landed at Project Reality, being an alpha/beta tester / gameplay design concept discussion enthusiast (lol) with them for years.

Maybe I just had worse luck back then, or maybe its just way, way worse now with modern casual shooters.

Could be a bit of both.

I still remember the final test before PR 0.5 was released.

DBzao had written the first iteration of the injected python script that was to govern how you could request which kits depending on which squad you were in, who had what kits in your squad, how many kits were available to your whole team, etc.

Problem was… sometimes, for a completely indiscernible reason… some players just couldn’t use the system at all.

We spent 3 hours in TS … or maybe it was Ventrilo?.. we spent hours trying everything we could think of, could not identify any pattern.

As the session was being wound down, as we had basically given up… I had a realization.

I pulled up the in game scoreboard… many times.

I then started barking orders at various remaining players to see who could and could not use the kit system.

If a non alphanumeric character was in your username, you could not use the kit system.

DBzao didn’t believe this at first, pulled up his code, and then screamed.

… yep, he hadn’t properly handled strings or string conversions or special characters at some stage of the code.

We’d been stuck on this for almost 2 weeks, and 6 hours later, it was fixed and released.

sp3ctr4l, (edited )

Or you can graduate to milsims.

The controls and game mechanics tend to be so complicated that… well, people tend to have more realistic expectations from their teammates, and if you find a decent community, people tend to be more mature and friendly.

It actually requires a part time job level of commitment to be an exceptional shooter or tanker or pilot or even medic if you’re playing with a sufficiently complex health simulation… so, somewhat true to life, people tend to specialize and thus have much, much more incentive for decent communication standards.

Downside: Also true to life, a lot of games will end up feeling like 90% camping/hiking/road trip, punctuated, often essentially randomly, by 10% sheer terror.

You are not authorized for retirement unless you want a dishonorable discharge, soldier! If you need a wrist splint and vertical ergonomic mouse to continue your duties, check the nearest supply depot! Dismissed!

lol

IncogCyberspaceUser,

What milsims would you recommend?

sp3ctr4l, (edited )

Well, you got Arma 3 or Arma Reforger…

Those are pretty much the most commonly played milsims, with tons of available mods and dlc, huge expansive maps, players have their own inventories, can customize your whole load out and such…

SQUAD is sort of a milsim lite, maybe? It evolved out of Project Reality for Battlefield 2, they eventually made their whole own game in Unreal.

It retains the round based, class base core concept, but greatly expands on the more arcady nature of the Battlefield series with many more realistic gameplay concepts, much of them revolving around playing a role in a squad.

The maps aren’t as big as Arma, but you can still end up with a whole game session taking an hour or two.

There are also other games that basically aim for what SQUAD does, but not in a modern combat setting, Hell Let Loose for WW2 as an example.

I think Gray Zone Warfare is trying to be a new sort of milsim on the block, but so far I’ve heard roughly mixed reviews of it… and there are tons of ‘tactical shooters’… but they tend to be smaller in scope and usually lack vehicles, or don’t include near as many, or simulate them as extensively… and a whole lot of them tend to be developed by basically people who vastly overestimate their ability to make a game, and can be very toxic / in denial about this… so be careful with those, haha, probably check youtube for some reviews before diving in.

There’s also Gunner Heat PC if you want a very tank oriented tank sim, and DCS if you want an excruciatingly detailed, combat oriented flight sim, and you also hate money, lol.

Oh right, for basically most of these, you’re probably going to want to try and find and join some kind of larger community on discord or something like that… usually they’ll have guides, tutorials, plan matches/games on a schedule, maybe even offer some kind of psuedo boot camp / training for enthusiastic noobs, hehe.

IncogCyberspaceUser,

Thank you so much for the detailed response, a upvote wouldn’t be enough. <3

sp3ctr4l,

I threw in some more details after I made the comment, more context and hopefully more useful info =D

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

On the other hand, sims tend to get a lot of guys that are a bit too into it.

sp3ctr4l,

Yep, thats also true lol.

Quoting myself from another comment in this thread:

… of course you can then go way, way too far into fullblown sim territory and end up with actual geriatrics and/or turboautists, lol.

(I say this lovingly as a turboautist who has spent probably an unhealthy amount of time in various niche sim communities, lol)

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w UK petition of "Require videogame publishers to keep games they have sold in a working state" just got thrown back to the Government

This is honestly pretty funny. Even another government agency recognized how bad the response was. That was literally like someone asking how old you are, and you respond by telling them the definition of age.

pycorax, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)

If Discord is going to be abandoned by people, I wish we’d go back to proper forums that’s much more accessible and searchable. Continuing down this road is just going to lead to the continued burying of useful information behind these services.

vividspecter,

I think there’s room for both, as in the old days there was typically an IRC channel along side forums that was typically a secondary channel (but not always).

But yeah, forums would be ideal, preferably with federation support so there is no need to make an account with every single one.

PassingThrough,

Well, you see IRC and forums went together because they filled two different needs and we understood that back in the day.

IRC was for chatting, short, quick real time communication that would be lost to the ether as soon as you signed off, unless you had a bouncer or log bot.

Forums were for long information, be that long posts or posts that needed to endure for a long time. Sure you’d get some one liner responses to those posts, but forums were not at all instant like IRC. Though the information did stay much longer, and was much more searchable and organized.

Discord has spoiled us, being quick and chatty while also allowing for longer posts and being searchable. At least within the Discord client. Shoot they even added those “forum” channels to replicate the old forum feel. But real time.

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

i wouldn’t say discord “spoiled” us by trying to reinvent forums, i’d say it unnecessarily blurred the lines. classic case of feature creep.

libra00,
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Forums are just not great for real-time interaction like discord chat is, not to mention the integration of voice chat, video streaming, etc is just too convenient to give up without replacing it with something similar. I too wish discord/whatever replacement gets attention was more searchable and kept stuff long-term, but… if you want to post info that lasts, post it on lemme and link it on discord or whatever.

Hyphlosion, (edited )

True, but I can’t help having nostalgia for ye olde forum days.

Edit: Not sure why I keep being downvoted. I never said forums would replace anything. I was merely acknowledging my nostalgia for old forum boards from a now bygone era. Didn’t realize having fond memories of a time period on the Internet was a bad thing. Jesus.

eronth,

Reasonable, but you’d be fooling yourself to act as if forums will meaningfully replace Discord for most users.

libra00,
@libra00@lemmy.world avatar

Fair enough.

I kinda don’t though. I quite enjoy real-time chat and voice and video with friends. It’s not like forums don’t exist at all anymore tho - you’re on one right now. I get my forum experience from places like reddit or lemmy, and I use them for very different things, so I’m glad both exist.

Pika,
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discord is not a forum (even if they want it to be with the forum channels), its never been a good location to store information. That being said, its amazing for real time communication unlike forums. I hate that devs use it for FAQ and bug forms and stuff. I stopped reporting bugs if it requires me to join a discord.

Korhaka,

Discord is more of a chat room than a forum though, lemmy is a federated alternative to forums.

SW42,

Amen! I remember the good old days of speciality community forums based on VB or even phpBB or in some cases Woltlab. I miss the simpler times.

criss_cross,

I think we just need to split roles again.

Discord did there best to be an all in one solution and we just need a return to real time chat and voice along with asynchronous communication like forums

mic_check_one_two,

We need both for different purposes. Discord is amazing for voice, video, and IM chatting. All things that happen in real-time. But forums are intended for a vastly different use case. Forums are play-by-post. They’re asynchronous. They’re meant for responding at your earliest convenience, not for talking to someone right now. The fact that so many people began using Discord as a forum replacement is a travesty, because Discord is a fucking atrocious medium for forums… Not due to any fault of Discord’s, but because they’re completely different use cases.

randomblock1,

You’re on a forum right now, no? I think a lot of Discords have accompanying Reddits and vice versa, hopefully they start using Lemmy. But forums are still popular. Just not Ye Olde BBS

pycorax,

Not nearly enough of them. Too many frameworks or libraries have their QnAs on Discord instead of a dedicated forum.

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