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TriflingToad, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

I bought borderlands 2 the other week and it’s been a blast on my SteamDeck. Unfortunately it seems it’s one of those games that loves to connect online all the time, like it’ll kick me out of single player if it detects wifi and make me reload into… singleplayer, but online. with 0 differences.

I probably would’ve been better off pirating it tbh.

Surp, do games w "I don't know" how much Borderlands 4 will cost, Gearbox boss says, but it had "more than twice the development budget for Borderlands 3" and "it might be" $80 like some Nintendo and Xbox games

BL3 was generic and forgettable. BL4 anything more than 40$ is easily forgettable. Don’t these guys know most gamers have backlogs at this point? No one has the money for this shit.

VitoRobles,

The more I think about it, maybe it’s for the whales of PC gaming.

Let the streamers, YouTubers and FOMO folks pay a premium to do all the bug testing.

Then release a polished version for half the price.

A person like me with a massive backlog is absolutely going to wait until this hits less than $20 anyways.

vxx,

My wishlist is long and at least one game on it gets a deep discount every week. I’m busy playing games between 2€-20€.

There hasn’t been a major release that would justify paying 50€ and more for years.

Baldurs Gate 3 was the last game I got at full price and didn’t regret.

commander, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

When Ubisoft introduced always online DRM with AC2, I was out. It’s nice with the Internet how much being anti-Ubisoft has become common enough to be unsurprising

uis,

Unless you worked in Blizzard.

anonymous111, do games w After 350,000 signatures in an EU consumer rights campaign, Ubisoft is adding offline modes to The Crew games - but not the now-dead original

I thought I’d see this and was surprised not to.

Please proselytize your EU brethren. Signing this Citizen’s Initiative is the best chance to fix the dead games issue globally.

www.stopkillinggames.com

The guy behind it has a lot of videos explaining the logic. Here is the short version (1 min vid):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGfqef-IqQ

Call to arms!

aksdb,

While I like and appreciate the campaign, the issue IMO is bigger. IoT devices for example even have environmental impact when services behind them get discontinued.

I would therefore like a more general rule: whenever a product is discontinued for whatever reason, all necessary documents, sources, etc need to be released to allow third parties to take over maintenance (that also includes schematics for hardware repairs).

AnarchistArtificer,

I think many people who are responsible for pushing the campaign forward would agree it’s a much bigger issue. It’s just that the bigger issue is big enough that there are multiple fronts one could fight on, and this is a politically useful opportunity to push forward. A victory from this campaign will be unlikely to lead to the larger developments without more of a fight, because achieving the general rule will take a few instances of arguing the specific case.

For now, I’m excited to see where this leads, even if the answer might be “nowhere”

anonymous111,

Remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

Kyrgizion, do games w Amid EA's unpopular $55 billion buyout, Baldur's Gate 3 director takes time "to remind people that making games faster and cheaper while charging more has never worked before"

The fuck he talking about? Obviously it has worked before. How else can you explain yearly COD releases making billions in revenue?

That it’s a losing strategy in the long term was always obvious, but get this: whomever’s in charge only cares about the numbers of the following quarter. That the company will go under in 10 years is literally not his problem, that’s the next schmoe’s problem.

ampersandrew,
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Yearly CoD releases are taking longer to make and costing more to produce though; the most recent CoD we have numbers for, which was a number of years ago at this point, cost $700M to make, and that was the most expensive one at the time. They used to have two studios alternating releases every other year. Now there are three studios on a rotation with about a dozen support studios that all used to make other games, and now they just make CoD.

“Charging more” is where this gets ambiguous though. A game like Assassin’s Creed charges less these days than it used to, relative to how much content they put in the box. I’m long since checked out of Assassin’s Creed, but I think the average game could stand to be leaner and cost the same in the interest of coming out faster and for less money to produce. That would be called shrinkflation in any other industry, which is the same as charging more.

warm,

You cannot convince me it cost $700M to make any of the recent CoD games. They are rehashes of each other. That has to include literally every dollar spent during the games development lifecycle across all studios and the publisher, right? Otherwise they are just pissing money away.

ampersandrew,
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It is development spend + marketing spend + post-launch DLC spend. Even forking the same code base, you can see where the money goes. The campaigns are original each time, new map design requires time and money, etc. In the past 5 years, there has probably been a CoD game that cost $1B to make, as this data is from 2020.

warm,

If it includes marketing then yeah, it's mostly that. $700M is an absolutely absurd astronomical amount for what CoD is, on a purely development basis.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I usually hear of marketing spend matching development cost, so it’s probably closer to 50/50. The documents that these figures came from didn’t itemize them, but it’s notable that 2020 is when current gen consoles came out, and more fidelity usually correlates to more time and money to make the assets.

nyankas,

I don’t think this is quite right. CoD titles do take a long time to develop. They‘re just rotating studios, so they can achieve a yearly release cadence (the last six entries in the series had five different studios working on them). Also, they are by no means getting cheaper. According to court documents development costs rose from $450 million to over $700 million from 2015 to 2020 alone.

ieatpwns,

Aren’t the cod games made by 3 different studios that take turns with their releases? Or did they stop doing that? I remember infinity ward, Treyarchand I can’t recall the 3rd

warm,

Sledgehammer Games. They never really kept the cycle, they kept fucking up and others had to come in to help etc. There's got to be disatrous management at the studios.

uis, (edited ) do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

EU cutizens can sign European Citizens’ Initiative that aims to prevent publishers using killswitches to permanently disable games. If it gets 1M signatures, it will be discussed in European Comission.

rollerbang,

That’s 1 million signatures, not 100k.

uis,

Derp. You are right.

Embargo, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

I have the fucking disc to prove I do own it, you arseholes.

Stovetop,

Sadly, the legal interpretation of copyright says you own the plastic, but not the data it contains. It sucks but it’s not just Ubisoft.

Embargo,

Well… I can’t say I’ll feel for them when they inevitably complain about myself and many others cracking their games.

The_Helmet_Stays_On, do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.

BranBucket,

A rather astute observation found in an unlikely place, and one of my favorite move lines of all times.

Silentiea,
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-Agent K

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fracture, do gaming w Publishers are absolutely terrified "preserved video games would be used for recreational purposes," so the US copyright office has struck down a major effort for game preservation

if it’s not worth preserving

IT’S NOT WORTH PURCHASING

barsoap, (edited ) do gaming w Publishers are absolutely terrified "preserved video games would be used for recreational purposes," so the US copyright office has struck down a major effort for game preservation

Very relatedly: If you’re a EU citizen make sure to sign this initiative.

If not a EU citizen do not sign it, that’d be the opposite of helping, but do enjoy numbers go up from afar. Also you can spread the word that’s fair game.

magic_lobster_party, do games w Ken Levine says BioShock nearly went nowhere and was almost canceled: "We can't make those games because they don't sell"

It must be some mismanagement issue going on in the games industry. Wrong stakeholders who have no idea of game development influencing the wrong decisions.

DebatableRaccoon, do gaming w Helldivers 2 gets delisted in more countries without PSN access, blindsided devs call for it to be "available worldwide" | Gamesrader

Guess they’ll have to take it up with the overlords

troyunrau, do gaming w Diablo 4's latest microtransaction controversy is a $30 portal recolor.
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

All six people who still play Diablo 4 probably bought it though…

NegativeLookBehind,
@NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

Shockingly, it appears that it still has an average 480k daily players

Kwakigra, do gaming w Starfield design lead says players are "disconnected" from how games are actually made: "Don't fool yourself into thinking you know why it is the way it is"
@Kwakigra@beehaw.org avatar

I wish people knew more about the way business works in general. Focusing on quality of product or service is a strategy only the smallest businesses can afford. In the big leagues it’s all about triggering purchasing behavior and minimizing price sensitivity by using well-proven psychological techniques to sell cheap minimally-viable and soon to be obsolete products to as many people as possible, and sell them the solutions to the problems left in the original product as “optional” add-ons. Developers all want to make good games, but the businesses they work for couldn’t care less since they make their money in other ways. Welcome to the 21t century, consumers!

aksdb,

Yeah but businesses typically don’t go out and rub that in their customers faces. That’s basically what most of the complaints are about: Bethesda should just shut the fuck up and swallow their pride. Is some/most of the stuff people throw at them unfair? Likely. Is it completely unwarranted? No. Should they defend it? Also no.

Kwakigra,
@Kwakigra@beehaw.org avatar

A lot of these comments from developers read to me like “We really tried guys, but you don’t know what it was like.” Given this is usually without commenting that industry norms are toxic since that can get you blacklisted. Their marketing department doing damage control is of course way less sympathetic to me.

aksdb,

I would consider Todd Howard to be part of development (since he directs the creative and narrative angle, from what I understand).

He defended bad performance with “get better hardware”. He defended criticism of the content with “you play the game wrong”.

Both are bullshit “excuses”. The first one was even debunked by modders who showed that there was potential for optimization. And modders are far more limited than engine devs. The game doesn’t look ugly, but there are far better looking games with more scene complexity out there that run better.

And “you play it wrong” is bullshit because if enough people play it wrong to have an effect on the rating of the game, then the game is badly designed. Part of game design is making sure the game explains itself or subtly pulls players in the right direction. Either they failed with that, or there simply is no clear direction. But that’s not the players fault.

millie,

Sounds like a terrible business model that deserves the problems it runs into. If a company doesn’t prioritize the quality of its offerings, why should anyone give them a cent?

Supervisor194, do games w The Plucky Squire devs explain how challenging the wild 2D to 3D gameplay was to pull off: "Can we do this? Is this even possible?"
@Supervisor194@lemmy.world avatar

This looks like a great game, but “can we do this? Is this even possible?” I mean Super Paper Mario did it in 2007.

lazycouchpotato,
@lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world avatar

Crush 3D is also a game I remember doing this.

youtu.be/lyym2v2Ktb4

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