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Virkkunen, do games w It genuinely upsets me that Valve spent their time and resources on another Dota variation
@Virkkunen@fedia.io avatar

"An overwatch looking moba shooter"

No, it plays like Battleborn and Monday Night Combat, a third person shooter with moba elements. It's not overwatch, it's not Dota.

Geth,

The point stands that it’s derivative. I’m convinced Valve can do better.

Virkkunen,
@Virkkunen@fedia.io avatar

And isn't everything derivative? What's the issue with that? If feel like you're really trying to gather negativity towards this game simply because it doesn't pander to your tastes

Geth,

Well, I guess your are right that everything is derivative. I also think some things are more alike than others and also some markets are more saturated than others. When Half-Life came out it was in a saturated market of FPSs but it also revolutionized the market. When Portal came out no one could compare it to anything other that a student project. Half-Life Alyx is still considered the no 1 most polished and complete game in the VR space. We’ll see the impact that Deadlock will have I guess.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Even if it is, it’s a derivation I’ve been sorely missing. Ever since Battleborn got shut down, there’s been a Battleborn shaped hole in my heart. Deadlock fits in that hole really well.

It’s possible that the whole impetus for creating Deadlock came from something like that. Someone at valve, like me, enjoyed the hell out this particular mix of mechanics.

There’s nothing like it. Dota doesn’t do the trick, neither does Overwatch. Of all things, the closest thing might be Titanfall 2’s titan combat.

jacksilver,

Did you ever try Paladins? I somehow ended up playing Battleborn when it came out and really liked it, even though it got panned. Always thought Paladins was a close second.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

No. Some also like Gigantic, but they never appealed to me enough to try em.

I was in the Battleborn beta, and had such a blast I absolutely had to keep playing, so I bought it day one.

I was really sad to see it be loved by those that played it, and hated as an “Overwatch clone” by everyone else.

KombatWombat,

Gigantic: Rampage Edition is free to claim on Epic Games this week, so if you might be interested in the future, it would be worth grabbing now.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Also calling Overwatch a “MOBA shooter” is like calling Mario Kart a “Rogue like racer” because you start each race fresh with everything reset. It’s just an FPS, nothing MOBA about it.

Daedskin,

I personally think MOBA should be used to broadly describe a style of game rather than what’s done while playing it. I know that when Riot coined the term, they were referring to games like DotA, LoL, etc.; to me the whole approach to a match’s flow is echoed similarly enough throughout multiple games, that applying the term MOBA to other games is a logical extension.

To me a game is a MOBA if:

  • The way to interact with it is primarily designed around playing with other players online (the M and O of MOBA.)
  • The goals of the players are against the goals of other players — ie. it’s competitive rather than cooperative (the B of MOBA.)
  • Any player at the beginning of a match has access to all the same options as any other player. This one is a little more vague, but as the A in MOBA stands for arena, I imagine it like a group of gladiators standing before a communal weapon rack that they’ll all pick from; no one has any options that the others don’t have access to.

Following these criteria, something like Overwatch is a MOBA, as is DotA, and ironically LoL isn’t as you have to unlock options meaning you don’t satisfy the arena condition. To differentiate games like DotA, Smite, Awesomenauts, Deadlock, etc., I prefer the term lane-pusher as that’s a lot more specific and understandable.

Does it really matter what it’s called? Not really. I mostly just do it so I can feel superior to Riot for coming up with a vague term that is applied, how I deem, incorrectly, while also excluding their own game from the term that they made to describe it.

bigboig,

I think they’re calling deadlock a moba, not overwatch

domi,
@domi@lemmy.secnd.me avatar

Monday Night Combat

Well, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a while.

I_Has_A_Hat,

I don’t get how everyone keeps comparing it to those games when Smite exists and it’s damn near identical?!

Virkkunen,
@Virkkunen@fedia.io avatar

Because it's not identical. SMITE plays like the top down mobas but in a third person perspective. Deadlock plays like a third person shooter with moba elements.

bigboig,

I think they’re comparing it visually to overwatch

PhlubbaDubba, do games w Mafia: The Old Country will offer voice acting in Sicilian

There are some sicilians who are about to be horrified listening to all the characters suddenly sounding like their third cousins from America who insist they can speak “italian”

PunchingWood,

Lol I can imagine, it’s often the same with shows and movies trying to do Dutch and then it ends up being the most incomprehensible and cringe attempt with an insane accent.

Hopefully they just hire legit Sicilians to do the voice acting. Otherwise they might just as well not bother.

PhlubbaDubba,

I was talking more about how Italian Americans that are native speakers tend to speak a dialect that largely derives from Sicilian and other southern dialects that have since fallen out of use in favor of common italian, which is technically an entirely different language based on a northern dialect.

The joke is that these sicilian speaking mafiosos will sound like the american cousins because the dialect the Americans speak is closer to sicilian than the modern italian Sicilians are more likely to use in their everyday right now.

It’s actually a pretty hilariously documented phenomenon across the old world and in multiple places within the new world, where countries that endured a nationalist unification period adopted a common tongue, and in doing so diverged the language from native speakers that had migrated to the Americas.

Similar sitch with “inauthentic” ethnic cuisine being criticized by others in America and elsewhere in the Americas, it’s not different because it’s inauthentic, it’s different because it’s a preserved cultural artefact which predates a prescriptionist change dictated from the elites (who tended to be from a single language/culture group) to the common public, while the forms seem in the Americas are those predating cultures and traditions.

freeman,

I don’t know about Italian but I can tell you Greek Americans plainly can’t speak Greek.

Same with ‘ethnic’ cuisine, they don’t put lettuce in “Greek” salad because that’s how it was originally but because that’s what was available and accepted in the US.

Its also far more likely that very regional or even just family traditions/customs/recipes got attributed to whole nations rather than an elite managing to wipe it out from the original group.

JustEnoughDucks,
@JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

Wait wait wait, can you give an example? I have to see this 😅

PunchingWood,

One recent example that comes to mind from recently is a scene in Oppenheimer where apparently there’s a bit of Dutch during a lecture, but nobody can really tell what they’re even saying lol

code, do games w Can anyone suggest some good co-op games for two people?

My son and i play weekly. Heres our faves

Deep rock galactic

Helldivers II

Enshrouded

Remnant and remnant II

Valheim

ThunderWhiskers,
@ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world avatar

How is the Helldivers community these days? I had so much fun with that one before the whole PSN debacle. It kinda killed the vibe for me at the time and I have since moved on to other things, but I was so surprised how much a third-person online shooter sucked me in at this point in my life.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Games playerbase is like, less than half what it was on Steam. Arrowhead has put out like 3 or 4 “apology” letters about “we hear your feedback, we will fix stuff” but its like, how many times you gonna say that? You know?

I haven’t played for a while. Last I played, the bots spawn rate was too high when only two people loaded into a 4-5 star mission. They said they put out an update so I played to check, and they actually made it worse. Maybe it has improved since, but I haven’t been back to check.

capt_wolf,

They just put another one out last week.

The fact that they’re still apologizing for not listening to the player base and then going ahead and just not listening to the player base really doesn’t fill me with confidence.

copd,

I remember just a handful of months ago when everyone was saying how “helldivers is already game of the year”

Lmao how the mighty has fallen

unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov,

They just added a bunch of new missions, planet modifiers, and ship call downs, which was a pleasant surprise. Also, there is a lot of speculation that they’re going to introduce the third enemy race pretty soon, so if you were enjoying it before, now might not be a bad time to dip your toe back in the pool.

ThunderWhiskers,
@ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world avatar

I have considered it a few times and I even have Helldivers installed still, buuuut I’m balls deep in my first run of Elden Ring right now and I haven’t even hit the DLC yet, so 🤷‍♂️.

unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov,

Ah, well I’m sure it will still be here if/when you escape from Elden Ring. Have fun!

code,

We easily fill with friends so its a blast. We have a group we’ve been playing with for over 15 years when we need more than 2

Nacktmull, do games w What are the best indie games you've ever played?
@Nacktmull@lemmy.world avatar

FTL - Faster Than Light

Dead Cells

HonorIsDead, (edited ) do games w What's up with Epic Games?

Instead of offering anything to be a better platform they are burning money on the platform in hopes they can pay their way to dominance by paid exclusivivity and giving away games. One of those isn’t bad for users. Now consider what Epic offers beyond being able to buy and download a game. Nothing. Epic is only a storefront and they’ve had years to work on this at this point. Steam has gained dominance and maintains it in no small part due to all the additional features available to everyone. Do you use the steam workshop for any of your games? Have you used the steam community forums to troubleshoot a problem? Do you use big picture mode for a more console like experience? Do you customize your controller settings with the pretty expansive controller support built into steam? The overlay? How about the custom profiles and badges and trading cards? Epic is only a storefront. That’s it. That’s all that’s on offer. So they supplement it with bribing devs to be exclusive to their store and giving away games to try and attract users.

Aussiemandeus,

I love the steam chat, as someone who doesn’t use discord very often at all. Having the chat is an easy to too flick a message off to someone while i play

silentknyght,

These are true criticisms, but I’m not sure if they’re fair. To the best of my recollection, Steam had none of those things in 2008, either, about the time they were the age of the EGS, now.

You could say they should (be able to) compete on the merits alone, without free games or paid exclusivity, but that argument wouldn’t reflect reality: you need a hefty carrot to lure people away from their comfort zone.

Strepto,
@Strepto@sh.itjust.works avatar

Steam had none of those things in 2008

Yes, true. But it’s not 2008 anymore. It makes no sense for companies to compete based on features and functionality equivalent to their age.

If someone starts a company today offering only old 1960 color TVs, I’m not going to say “Well they’re new, and that’s what TV manufacturers would have had at the time”. That makes zero sense.

If Epic wants to compete with steam they need to actually compete. They offer nothing of value presently. They have the money and the technical talent to make a good launcher. They just appear to choose not to.

HonorIsDead,

They have the money and the technical talent to make a good launcher. They just appear to choose not to.

This is completely the case. You can’t tell me the makers of Unreal Engine couldn’t figure out how to replicate at least some of the more commonly used features of Steam. Of course they can do it. Someone somewhere in the corporate ladder decided they don’t need the extra features to compete with steam. Maybe burning money on the exclusivity contracts and game giveaways will work out in the long run, but I doubt that when they flat out said they’re spending more money than they earn in their 800+ person layoff just a few months ago.

SuperSpruce,

Not only that, the storefront runs atrociously slow and the privacy policy is invasive.

Mini_Moonpie, do games w What's up with Epic Games?

Epic doesn’t see gamers as their customer - they see developers as their customer and shape the customer experience around that. For example, Epic said that if/when they add reviews, developers could choose to opt their games out of reviews. That’s very pro-developer, but very anti-consumer, whatever you might think of the value of reviews. Informed customers can rattle off a long list of reasons they don’t like Epic and why they’re bad, but they are a small minority of PC gamers. The “silent majority” doesn’t keep up with this kind of stuff or really care about it, so they are literally judging stores on their merits and Epic is a bare bones platform that doesn’t offer customers a good reason to spend money in their store because they don’t think they need to.

loganberryq, do games w Recommend a game for me to play with my partner

“It Takes Two”, check it out.

reluctantpornaccount,

I also recommend this game as one of the best co-op / split screen games I’ve played.

jmdatcs,

My wife and I loved that.

boothin, do games w Steam wishlist is buggy and sometimes lies about discounts

I believe the developer is in complete control of the pricing on steam, so it would be the developer being shady

DocMcStuffin,
@DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world avatar

Could be, IDK. I’ve seen that with a regular discount and the price gets raised when a sale starts, but never with a double discount.

Perhaps someone that has published on steam could shed more light.

KingRaptor,
@KingRaptor@sh.itjust.works avatar

In the store I’m not seeing what you’re seeing. I think what you’re looking at is actually these two bundles, not the base games:

steamdb.info/bundle/35041/steamdb.info/bundle/23853/

Also, as it was pointed out, Steam does not control pricing, that would be entirely in the hand of the publisher or developer, not to mention it is against TOS (and also illegal in some markets)

DocMcStuffin,
@DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world avatar

That looks like it. I checked one of the bundles.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/32fcee57-d14e-4aa5-897c-b88f81de5c75.png

Then tried adding to cart from my wishlist. It added both games, but on my wishlist it only shows the one game. That’s just really buggy, and fortunately only unintentionally deceptive instead of intentionally.

FractalsInfinite, do piracy w Is It Farewell To The Internet Archive?

Anna’s archive acts as a drop in replacement for libgen and z-library, also doesn’t cost anything

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

doesn’t it rely on them ? more of an indexer…

FractalsInfinite,

No, more like a mirror in that it hosts all of zlib and libgen’s content as well as providing torrent and ipfs links for the files (which they seed)

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

And yet when libgen was broken a couple of days ago it sent me to the broken libgen for the (admittedly obscure) thing I was after. Perhaps caching I dunno. Still, glad it’s there…

FractalsInfinite, (edited )

From what I see, there are 4 5 options on annas-archive.org

  1. Use fast(but fee charging) direct download
  2. Use ipfs
  3. use torrents
  4. Go to source pages (libgen and/or zlibrary)
  5. Slow direct download [Edited]

It sounds like you clicked the link to the source as opposed to the mirrors

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Nah, in this case there was only 4. I’ve seen the others before.

FractalsInfinite,

Huh, it seems it depends on the existing sources, I’m not particularly sure how that works

5ubieee,

Not everything is mirrored yet, so some searches will only lead to external sources

annas-archive.org/datasets

tom5760, do gaming w What's the funniest game you've played?

Untitled Goose Game comes to mind as a great “slapstick” game.

honk

turtlepower,

I love me some honkus!

demystify, do piracy w What's the deal with Steamunlocked.net?

I remember it being blacklisted in Reddit’s r/piracy megathread, supposedly they used IGG’s cracks or something. I, however, never had any problems with them.

Tread with caution. Use steamrip.com or other safe sources if you can, and if you have to use this site, at least be wary, read comments and scan the fuck out of everything.

squaresinger,

Thanks for the warning. What’s IGG?

Platform27,

IGG is a cracking group with a mixed reputation. Early on they distributed malware, which continues to give them a negative reputation. Though, I haven’t heard of anything bad about them, in some time… some repackers also use their cracks, with no issues. I think they were the first that cracked the latest Armoured Core, for example.

HerculeanTardigrade,

Since when was IGG a cracking group? They're just uploaders. TENOKE is the one who cracked Armored Core. Repackers use SCENE/P2P cracks like RUNE, TENOKE, EMPRESS, SKIDROW, etc.

IGG is not a cracker. I personally don't trust them. I don't understand why they include unimportant files in their uploads.

  • Free Premium Accounts at OfficialMrB.com.txt (0.8 KB)
  • IGG-GAMES.COM.url (0.2 KB)
  • PCGAMESTORRENTS.COM.url (0.2 KB)
  • README.txt (0.3 KB)
  • _INSTALL TUTORIAL.txt (1.7 KB)

What is the point of including these files? They're irrelevant.

https://old.reddit.com/r/PiratedGames/comments/ulsttu/proof_that_i_g_g_games_is_unsafe/i7xbf32/

With or without malware, I ain't risking downloading my games from their uploads.

MazonnaCara89,
@MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml avatar

IGG is bad because some of their repacks had their drm inside dll files, there were Ads built into the game at runtime, were found Cryptominers and startup malware included in their games and many other things.

Rocketpoweredgorilla, do gaming w I don't want to "Press any key to continue" to the main menu
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@kbin.social avatar

It annoys me when you close down a game, and it only has the option to send you to the title menu instead of closing out. It's not the worst thing ever, but it's kind of annoying when you need to go, and you have to "quit" the game just to wait for it to go back to the title screen and make you hit "quit" again a second time.

delitomatoes,

It’s for console ports. They have a power button…so on PC you’ll need to go to that button created specifically to quit to desktop

XTL,

Or, they have a hypervisor, so instead of needing to quit from inside, you just hit the magic button and go back to the console UI. Game is suspended and might resume after power off or switch, or not, depending on the system and user.

You could just ctrl-alt-del or window switch or whatever to get the same experience on a computer.

phoenixes,

I honestly will just slap cmd-q on most games. If they don’t handle it properly… well, sucks for me I guess, but most do. (on a mac)

I wonder how most games treat alt-f4 on windows?

N1cknamed,
@N1cknamed@feddit.nl avatar

It differs, on some games it doesn’t work or still takes a long time. For those programs I like to use SuperF4, which kills the process when you press ctrl+alt+f4.

erwan,

They need to be less lazy on the ports and add the option to quit to desktop on the PC version even if it doesn’t exist on the console version.

Some games do, however I hate when I have to go to the menu before being able to quit to Desktop.

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@kbin.social avatar

Clicks quit
Are you sure you want to exit?
Clicks yes
Goes to title
Clicks Quit
Are you absolutely positive you want to exit?
*Clicks yes DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK I CLICKED THREE TIMES TO GET HERE BY ACCIDENT??
Game hangs.

chaorace,
@chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

This is a long-shot question, feel free to disregard… but I have to ask: is that you, Joost?

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@kbin.social avatar

Joost? Nope sorry... I assume that's a username or something?

chaorace,
@chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Ah, nevermind sorry about the trouble. He’s a cofounder of the company whose logo you’re using as an avatar (“Ronimo”, i.e.: “Robot Ninja Monkey”).

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@kbin.social avatar

Ah ok lol... I got this png off one of those free image sites because I was too lazy to make my own and been putting it off so far.

NotSteve_,

FromSoft games are the worst for that. They log you off the servers and then make you login again to get to the title screen to quit

LinyosT,

Just alt-F4 once you quit the game and hit the title screen or you’re sure the game has successfully saved.

nottheengineer, do gaming w Pet peeve, games that won't let you save

Implementation probably. Checkpoints are easy because you don’t have to save the entire game state, just the progression.

nlm,
!deleted4210 avatar

Yeah, good point and that’s a valid reason I suppose.

It’s still very nice when you have more flexibility.

Wish PC games could implement something like the xbox quick resume or something.

nottheengineer,

That’s already a thing on the steam deck and it works with almost any game.

Microsoft could implement it for Windows too, but people will want still use their computer when pausing a game so it’s a lot harder to do.

nlm,
!deleted4210 avatar

Wonder is Valve could implement that on windows as well?

Piers,

Iirc they are working to integrate it into the Steam client on desktop wherever possible (and to try to allow for cloud syncing the game state between devices.) Not sure how it’s been going but iirc it was never going to be made available until after the UI update (which came out quite recently.)

nlm,
!deleted4210 avatar

That would be awesome, I hope they can do it!

DosDude, do gaming w Time to Move on From PS5?

Who cares what you play the games on. I built myself a decent pc a few years ago just to play Duke Nukem 3d some more. If you’re burnt out, just stop playing. If you dislike “triple eh…” games just play something else. Or play something older. Or something completely out of your safe zone. Play a genre you’d never touch otherwise.

If you need the cash, sell it. If you don’t, then why trade it in to buy something that does the same in a different form factor. But don’t sell something just because it’s too good for the job. A Porsche can still bring you to work.

socsa, do games w What are some good examples of "Where the fuck do you go" kind of games?

Ecco the Dolphin is literally impossible without a guide.

mudstickmcgee,

designed that way to make more money on people renting it over and over to try and beat it IIRC

brsrklf,

I am not really seeing it. I did finish it without a guide back then. It was the Windows 9x port, but I don’t think it changes much.

Really in my case a guide would not help for the hardest parts, which were mostly the crazy moves needed to push those floating things to break rocks and to swim against currents with boulders.

A_Union_of_Kobolds,

That game was like an unforgiving crack rock

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