Is It Farewell To The Internet Archive? angielski

Another one is close to biting the dust. Sci-Hub is out, Z-Lib got ran off like a dog and now IA is going to remove a host of books because these publishers just can’t stop being money-hungry bastards.

This is why I support piracy. Knowledge should be free. To go after a nonprofit organization that just wants to make digital books and other formats accessible to everyone when majority of uploads can’t be downloaded only borrowed, is just so devious and greedy.

I’m so tired of it. Laws around copyright and intellectual property need to be reformed. I feel so helpless :c

Link to blog post:

<a href="">https://blog.archive.org/2023/08/17/what-the-hachette-v-internet-archive-decision-means-for-our-library/</a>

pewgar_seemsimandroid,

pirating doesn’t do much instead hack them or ddos

lemmyngsadmin,

They’ve forced me into the high seas with their destructive greed.

xspurnx,

I can’t believe these are the times we live in. The services of the Internet Archive are invaluable for scholars and students alike. No library can afford all the printed books/journals or licenses needed for an adequate approach to most topics. And to be honest, shadow libraries are also much needed when publishers lock away vital knowledge (which was often gained through support from public grants).

This seems just another example of how capitalism will bring about the downfall of our civilization as it hinders the progress of science.

DrQuint,

Uh zlib and sci hub are both still alive.

Pearlescence,

Sci-Hub stopped adding new articles since its court case and Z-Lib had most of its domains seized by the US. I didn’t say they were dead, but tried to convey that they were attacked and forced to either cease their operations or shrink significantly.

janguv,

Right but zlib is full strength at this point, and libgen remained unaffected. Annas archive gives an extensive coverage of it all.

princessnorah,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Can you chuck me a link, can’t find the post.

oozynozh, (edited )

annas-archive.org

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Not like theres a certain onion to connect to it…

riley0,
@riley0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

And it was IA’s increased activity during the pandemic that spurred the current trouble. Brewster Kahle is a saint.

Pearlescence, (edited )

That’s what I read as well. You would think they would’ve gotten some leeway since it was done during an event comparable to war and they were following the footsteps of other digital libraries. They had a pretty stellar reputation and system in place for nearly a decade already, so I can only assume that they were simply waiting for an opportunity to target them.

dewritochan,

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/fdee88c4-7ada-4bc7-85c6-0baca6cef433.png

was getting really confused for a second there.

Pearlescence,

Lmao I’m so sorry! I realised afterwards what was happening, but have no idea how to fix it since I’m still fairly new to Lemmy. I hope it didn’t inconvenience you too much!

Harry_h0udini,
@Harry_h0udini@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Piracy the moral imperative of sharing knowledge:

…vercel.app/…/piracythe-moral-imperative-of-shari…

DieterParker,
@DieterParker@feddit.de avatar

I was of the impression that the ia doesn’t delete, but instead puts files in quarantine until copyright runs out. Else they’d have to digitize it again later.

people_are_cute,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Honestly, for Sci-hub I think it’s just that Elbakyan got tired of maintaining and updating it constantly. That “waiting for court results” part was just an excuse, just because Indian law enforcement is too unequipped to go after pirates doesn’t mean the country magically became lax on IP law. There was no good chance she could’ve won the dismissal plea.

imgonnatrythis, (edited )

This is depressing as hell.

Most people have no idea how much sci-hub has advanced medical and basic scientific discovery.

We need things like the archive more than ever now too as the the disease of thinking truth is a maleable substrate continues to spread.

u202307011927,

I still can access zlib what are you talking about??

Pearlescence,

I didn’t say it was dead, most of its domains were seized by the US, so they were in fact run off like dogs. I made a post a month or two back mentioning the new domain they have.

FractalsInfinite,

Anna’s archive acts as a drop in replacement for libgen and z-library, also doesn’t cost anything

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

doesn’t it rely on them ? more of an indexer…

FractalsInfinite,

No, more like a mirror in that it hosts all of zlib and libgen’s content as well as providing torrent and ipfs links for the files (which they seed)

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

And yet when libgen was broken a couple of days ago it sent me to the broken libgen for the (admittedly obscure) thing I was after. Perhaps caching I dunno. Still, glad it’s there…

FractalsInfinite, (edited )

From what I see, there are 4 5 options on annas-archive.org

  1. Use fast(but fee charging) direct download
  2. Use ipfs
  3. use torrents
  4. Go to source pages (libgen and/or zlibrary)
  5. Slow direct download [Edited]

It sounds like you clicked the link to the source as opposed to the mirrors

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Nah, in this case there was only 4. I’ve seen the others before.

FractalsInfinite,

Huh, it seems it depends on the existing sources, I’m not particularly sure how that works

5ubieee,

Not everything is mirrored yet, so some searches will only lead to external sources

annas-archive.org/datasets

randompepsi,

Sci Hub is not down or did I miss something?

gressen,

Looks fine from here.

florge,

Zlib still works as well

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

No longer taking new papers for a couple of years? now. Crying shame and a pox on scientific advancement.

koper,

It seems like this order is rather limited and the IA can continue almost all of their work.

Pearlescence,

I hope this is where it stops. Current laws aren’t too favourable towards projects like these and the IA depends heavily on donations so I don’t think they’d be able to withstand multiple drawn out court battles. I’m just waiting to see what gets affected exactly and to what extent.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Internet Archiv will go .onion

AllNewTypeFace,
@AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space avatar

It’ll be hard to do when the bailiffs have seized their building and all their servers

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Federate it!

totallynotfbi,

That only helps for shadow libraries whose operators are unknown. The Internet Archive, on the other hand, is a registered non-profit organisation, so how would they be able to hide themselves?

AAA,

Just like the OG Pirate Bay. They closed down, and someone else, unknown, took over.

That’s not unproblematic ofc as the new owner can do whatever they want without the oversight of the non-profit.

NotSteve_, (edited )

It’d be harder for IA since they have hundreds of PBs of hard drives. You need like a warehouse for it so it’s a lot harder to hop around

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

They could give the entire data as download and others could take over

totallynotfbi,

It’s not so simple, unfortunately. The sheer amount of data they have - 212 PB as of December 2021 - makes it practically impossible for most people to mirror. Unless they physically hand over all 745 server nodes to another operator, there’s no way of someone

There are some solutions to this - for example Archive-Team has proposed a method of mirroring the Internet Archive using distributed clients, although this method currently only has a fraction of the total dataset. Still, at this point in time, there’s no real solution to resharing IA’s data in the event they go under

turkalino,
@turkalino@lemmy.yachts avatar

how would they be able to hide themselves?

It’s literally in the name for a .onion website: hidden service

Tor hides the identity of servers just as much as it does for client users. So as long as the IA hosts in a country where publishers don’t have jurisdiction, I believe they’ll be fine

WarmApplePieShrek,

Customs and emigration will notice the hundreds of server racks on a boat

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