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MrNesser, do games w Sid Meier's Civilization VII | Review Thread

I don’t trust any review website anymore. If I did I would have bought cities skylines 2 on release.

I’ll wait for people to play and rate it

Bademantel,
@Bademantel@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed. The reviews are way too good for a Civ game on release. Would be the first in a while that doesn’t need DLCs to be really good.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Really? Because there are plenty of reviews that captured the state of that game at release, and they’re generally better at articulating it than the guy who has 1000 hours in a game and calls it “literally unplayable” in a Steam review.

MrNesser,

It’s more about how does the game function at release is there a performance issue that would prompt a hardware upgrade.

It’s not a dig at the game I’m sure it’s great but these websites are frequently paid for a good review.

Civ is known for having issues at release just because its such a giant game to program

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know which sites you think are getting paid for good reviews (this is a persistent myth), but find one or two that you trust.

glimse,

Individual Steam reviews may be trash but the average rating is valuable and usually pretty reliable. The biggest downside of the system is that it isn’t quick to “respond” to updates but the separate “Recent” rating helps a lot.

The point you’re responding to is that C:S 2 was praised by reviewers at launch despite it having TONS of issues and missing features. The Steam ratings were a way more accurate picture of the game.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

You can read into individual reviews rather than just looking at the aggregate. Plenty pointed out its problems.

glimse,

You can use both :)

simple,

Especially in a game like Civ. it’s hard to know how people feel about it until a week or so later. I remember when Civ 6 was said to be the best game in the series on release, but after spending some time with it, it was lacking. Reviews like these are more of a first impressions.

essteeyou,

Reviews like these are paid advertising.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Why’d they pay for bad ones?

essteeyou,

When Civ VIII rolls around they won’t send review copies to anyone who gave bad reviews last time.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not paid advertising. And review scores only tend to slide by a couple of points in aggregate after everyone else gets their review in.

Ashtear,

Just like they wouldn’t the last time…and the time before that…and the time before that…

It’s not a thing at outlets like these. Paid promo from influencers and independent reviews are not the same thing.

dinckelman,

Unless my friends, who have put a lot of hours into both Civ 5 and 6, unanimously recommend 7 to me, I have no intention of getting it.

I’m both satisfied enough with what I already own, and not sold on the new one yet. Not to mention that it’ll inevitably be a vehicle for more dlc and expansion packs

lud,

They won’t. For some reason you are only allowed to like a single civ game and you must hate every sequent game.

dinckelman,

No one’s said anything about hating it. For me, it’s primarily a co-op game, and if they’re not going to switch to it, it’s better for me to save the cash, and put it towards something else

lud,

I was just making a joke about civ fans always dislike every civ game except their favorite.

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Wait until there’s a steep sale on the Complete Edition later on. I only paid $5 for Civ5 Complete, and I think $15 for Civ6 Complete.

vithigar, do games w Are any games using neural networks for better hard AI that doesn't cheat?

I don’t know what it’s using specifically under the hood, but in Street Fighter 6 Capcom recently added a new AI opponent you can fight that they say is trained on actual player ranked matches and fights more like a human opponent. You can even have it try to mimic your own playstyle if you’ve played enough.

It can do some odd things and its mimicry isn’t perfect. But it definitely doesn’t feel like the typical high difficulty CPU opponent which uses things like input reading to react faster than a real player ever could.

…it also has been seen teabagging.

count_dongulus,

I’m not into fighting games, but that’s pretty neat! I hope the industry follows suit if people like how it works in Street Fighter 6.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

You can train it in mirror matches, but the V Rivals that you can fight other than your own mirror are an amalgamation of a particular rank. There’s a whole lot of skill variance in Master rank alone, so it might be good for training me against Dhalsim, because hardly anyone plays Dhalsim, so no one knows the matchup, but it won’t help me learn how to beat Punk, specifically.

vithigar,

Yeah, there are some disappointing limitations for sure, but it definitely is interesting, and does at least feel more like a human player than the normal CPU opponents.

…if a somewhat schizophrenic one.

TimLovesTech, do games w "Concord servers are now offline. Thank you to all the freegunners who have joined us in the Concord galaxy"
@TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social avatar

Is this the fastest video game death of all time? Not even Lawbreakers died this fast.

The Day Before only made it 4 days.

On 11 December, four days after The Day Before launched to widespread criticism, Fntastic announced their closure, stating that as their game had “failed financially” they could not afford to continue operating. The Day Before was removed from sale on Steam later that day.

SomethingBurger,

It remained online for six weeks, though.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

And they didn’t have quite the same budget

Maven,

The Culling 2 shut down completely in just 2 days

chiliedogg,

Day Before was basically a scam though, and they kept the servers up for a few weeks.

By all accounts this was a real game. It’s just that nobody wanted to play it.

In the last 2 years we’ve seen these live-service games fail at launch time and time and time again. The execs need to just accept that Fortnite already exists and you can’t force that kind of success.

Veritrax, do games w What's up with Epic Games?

I personally don’t like Epic for paying developers for exclusivity deals, keeping games off other PC platforms for a year or more. Artificial scarcity is bad for consumers.

ElPussyKangaroo,

Definitely a terrible idea.

Using money to jump ahead in the line is a terrible mindset. Provide good features, you’ll get your recognition.

hh93,

No it won’t - people are lazy

Even CDProjekt sold many more copies on steam than GOG when you

  1. Actually own the ge there instead of renting a licence for it.
  2. Know that 100% of your money go to the game developers.
  3. Get many additional goodies for free

Don’t tell me people are choosing the better deal when it’s all just steam having the might of “I have most of my games there already” on their side…

JustEnoughDucks, (edited )
@JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

Which they don’t do. Their platform has very few features, and doesn’t even have a cart. (Well last time I booted EGS like a year ago).

They have almost no features and of the features they do provide, none of them are great. Their only “feature” is operating at a loss, subsidized by megacorps, for many years like Amazon to gain a bunch of market share.

Luckily for gamers, steam already existed so they couldn’t corner the market and enshittify the entire industry like amazon did.

MrScottyTay,

It doesn’t really bother me since it’s still on pc anyway, it doesn’t matter massively where you get a game from (unless you specifically want drm free copies).

GeneralEmergency,

Especially when Epic is funding development with those deals.

pivot_root,

Even worse is that they do this while trying to paint themselves as the underdog against the Steam monopoly. It’s not only hypocritical, but also deceitful. A new monopoly is not a solution to an existing monopoly, but a solution to investments paying off.

Killer,

Don’t forget them being hypocritical again for suing google/apple for being monopolistic because they don’t want to have to go through them for payment.

Kecessa,

You guys don’t understand what a monopoly is…

pivot_root,

I do know what it is, and I don’t actually think Steam is one. They have a considerable market share, but they are by no means the only way to get games on PC, nor do they exercise their dominance in a way that stifles competition.

I’m pretty sure Tim Sweeny knows this as well, but he still calls it a “monopoly” whenever he has the chance.

Kecessa,

They were sued in the EU for violating anti trust laws, lost and decided not to cooperate.

They’re currently getting sued for forcing devs to not sell their games at a lower price on other platforms.

Their marketshare is more than enough to consider them a monopoly, you don’t need 100% of the market to be one, you just need to be so implanted that you become the default solution. Google doesn’t have 100% of the market, it still is considered a monopoly for search engines

Kecessa,

Why not say fuck the developers instead? They’re the ones accepting guaranteed income in exchange for exclusivity, maybe you should be mad at then for not taking a chance at the “influencer making your game popular enough that you recoup your cost” lottery.

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Por que no dos?

If I’m not buying anything on Epic then I’m also not buying from developers that agree to Epic’s exclusivity. Two birds, one stone.

Kecessa,

They got paid for the exclusivity, after that if they don’t sell as much then so be it, but just releasing on Steam is like choosing to play the lottery as a retirement plan and signing an exclusivity deal is like having a job, one might pay tens of millions or nothing, the other you’re sure will let you buy food for the next couple of years.

There’s tons of games on Steam that the devs have put everything they had in it only to never see any success and then you’ve got games like Vampire Survivors where nothing happened for months until suddenly a YouTuber started playing it and it became a major success. And I mean, good for Luca (and eventually for his team), but for every successful small dev there’s tens of unsuccessful ones…

Aielman15, do games w Xbox's new policy — say goodbye to unofficial accessories from November thanks to error '0x82d60002'
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s add this to the list of shitty anti-consumer choices that big tech corporations have implemented this year.

IIRC Microsoft still hasn’t reverted on their asinine choice of locking their console players into their overpriced branded SSDs.

Why9,

I don’t think it’s as black and white as that. Not to say that Microsoft isn’t dubious at times, but it seems they’re trying to weed out dodgy devices here.

Give companies free reign to create third party devices and they’ll create things that can be considered borderline cheat-y, or create things that are so bad that they affect people’s experience of Xbox consoles.

All this error code seems to be doing is requiring third party hardware to go through proper checks to verify hardware.

Aielman15,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

All this error code seems to be doing is requiring third party hardware to go through proper checks to verify hardware.

Translated: They want third parties to pay for the “Xbox seal of approval”.

Why9,

I mean I get it, it sucks for third party developers to pay a fee to develop for Xbox

But if you look at the quality of third party hardware available on PlayStation, Apple etc, it’s usually at a much higher quality and that gives people a perception that the hardware is better overall, even though Xbox series X and the PS5 are direct competitors.

If Xbox controllers cost $70 and crappy Chinese knockoffs are retailing for $20 and have no quality control, have cheat-y turbo buttons and break easily, they’re losing money that would have done to official controllers and also losing their brand image.

They’re not outright saying that third party devices are no longer allowed, but it does seem they want to manage the quality a little more

echo64,

You’re looking at this from a “what is good for microsoft” position. You won’t find much purchase for that thought process here. People care more about what is good for consumers and real people over companies.

Why9,

Absolutely! Who wouldn’t want to look at it purely from a consumer’s point of view?

It’s easy to just look at it from the consumer’s POV but the best plan is to check Microsoft when it’s actually being scummy, and not when it’s trying to just keep in line with every other company.

Sony issued takedowns of companies trying to sell PS5 faceplates, because they wanted to sell theirs at a premium. Apple is insanely notorious for proprietary hardware, to the point where the latest iPhone 15 even has its back glass fitted with a ribbon wire, so your iPhone won’t even start unless you’re using an iPhone certified back glass and it’s fitted by an iPhone tech that can enable the flag that lets your back glass work.

In a world like that, it makes no sense for Microsoft to put up with cheap knockoffs of its products especially if those products suck and are ruining its brand image.

Capitalism sucks but it is what it is. What we should do as consumers is vote with our money and not buy any accessories like this until these companies allow more third party developers to sell their parts. It just doesn’t work that way though. People keep buying this stuff no matter how high the prices go

echo64,

You’ve now taken the stance that these other companies did scummy things so it’s okay for Microsoft to do scummy anti consumer things. This will also not find purchase.

Why9,

Dude, my personal stance is irrelevant here.

I’m not saying that that’s my stance. I’m saying Microsoft is one of the largest companies in the world. You’re not going to change their mind by saying “I don’t like it”.

All I’m saying is “this is how businesses work”. If we don’t like it, we need to protest, vote with our wallets.

If you must know, my personal stance is the same as everyone else’s: it sucks that they’re forcing us to pay for first party/verified third party hardware which usually comes with a price rise.

But I thought I’d inform people what Microsoft’s position is in all this. They’re not going to stop taking massive losses just because some people on Lemmy said “that’s not nice”. Reality is that every company wants to make a profit and retain a positive brand image, especially now that Microsoft spent 69 billion dollars on Activision -Blizzard.

echo64,

Yes yes we all know that big companies are going to do bad things, you aren’t revealing new information here. And we know that leaving a comment on lemmy isn’t going to change anything, this is not new information.

We don’t really like this whole “big companies do bad things and we should expect that and not say anything about it” thing. should we just never talk about anything because big companies are big, so do what they want.

Why9,

Yes yes we all know that big companies are going to do bad things, you aren’t revealing new information here.

You’re finding it extremely hard to understand the concepts of this conversation and still have the gall to be sarcastic and patronising. It’s surprising when you’re clearly misinformed.

We don’t really like this whole “big companies do bad things and we should expect that and not say anything about it” thing. should we just never talk about anything because big companies are big, so do what they want.

No one’s said you can’t talk about it? How are you so confused? I’ll break it down for you since you’re obviously struggling:

Companies sell products. Companies like Sony have a tighter control on their third party hardware. Companies like Microsoft are much more lenient, but it causes cheap knockoffs to flood the market and reduce their brand value and first-party profits. Microsoft will now implement a check to control third party hardware. People on Lemmy get upset. It’s hypocrisy.

You’re either upset with the whole system or none of it. Getting upset the moment Microsoft does it makes no sense. At no point is anyone saying that you can’t talk about it.

echo64,

do you really think people are just upset now? and aren’t upset when other companies do bad things?

Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

Wait, you can’t buy regular drives anymore? That’s actually kind of fucked

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

You can, but you can’t play Series games on it. Only previous generation games. Same as on PS5.

echo64,

on PS5 you can buy any brand SSD drive and it will work. only microsoft locks the system to use authorized hardware

Omegamanthethird, (edited )
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry, I took “regular” to mean external drives, not non-proprietary internal drives. Last gen you could use an external HDD to expand your storage without any issues. This gen you can still do it, but its use is limited.

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Their SSD prices dropped significantly this past year when they allowed another company to start making them. But it’s still nowhere near as cheap as PS5’s SSD expansion which isn’t proprietary at all.

pHr34kY,

I threw a 1TB aftermarket SSD in my XBox One S and there was absolutely no attempt to stop me.

The loading speed in Fortnite tripled.

wesker, do gaming w If the same game is available and on sale on GOG and Steam, on which platform you rather buy it?
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Steam, but only because 95% of my library is on there. However, I think often GOG is probably the better choice.

JokeDeity,

This. I love GoG for what they do and their whole ethos, but I have damn near my entire collection already on Steam and like to condense as much as I can as hard as that may be. Steam is still by and far the best launcher, but every year GoG Galaxy gets a little bit closer to being an actual contender; literally all the rest are absolutely terrible dumpster fires.

Why is that by the way? On my PC I have Amazon, Battle.net, EA, Epic, GoG Galaxy 2.0, Itchio, Rockstar, and Uplay clients (along with some individual game launchers) and not a single one comes close to being as feature rich, streamlined, and just clearly built for the customer/player as Steam is. I know Valve has a lot more experience under their belt but it feels like the others aren’t even trying. Most of them are just in your face about their store fronts and barely function as a library after the fact.

worfamerryman,

Steam as it’s more straightforward to running it on Linux.

I bought cyberpunk on gog and it’s just a bit more work to get it installed and running.

If possible, I’d exchange it for a steam copy.

zachary3752, do gaming w What is up with Baldur's Gate 3?

The short version:

  • Game is good, came out at the right time, had a lot of hype and lived up to the hype

Longer details:

  • The game is just really well made. It’s extremely fun, very polished (except for a few weird bugs), and complete
  • It has a massive IP tied to it. This game had impossible levels of hype and it met those expectations somehow
  • The recent D&D movie was a large success, and D&D in general has been the most popular it has ever been lately
  • Divinity OS 2 Definitive Edition was very well received, people trust Larian to deliver a good product
  • People are sharing this game with their friends. They had a strong marketing push as well as really strong word of mouth
  • Final Fantasy 16 left a lot of us wanting a more traditional RPG after FF16 was anything but traditional
  • We currently live in an era of games like Diablo 4 which ask for a $70 price tag, and then also have a paid battle pass and paid cosmetics. This game came out at $60 content complete with no additional microtransactions. Ultimately that makes this game much easier to reccomend to people.
oji, do games w Yep, I actually own 7,255 games on Steam. I’ve played 23% of my library. I regret nothing.

I actually own

The funny thing is, you don’t own them.

atomicpoet,

Say what you will, every game I’ve bought—I can still play. And I’ve been buying Steam games for over a decade.

Meanwhile, none of my GameCube discs work on my Switch.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

You can still play it but increasingly games are becoming very different from what you bought.

I’ve started noticing a disturbing trend. More and more games that are older being sold at steep discounts or “free to play” and simultaneously jampacked with invasive telemetry and/or ads/microtransactions. And since Steam won’t let you play older versions, those games are effectively dead.

atomicpoet,

Out of the thousands of games I have, not once have I noticed anything like you describe.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Oh well if you haven’t experienced it, it must not exist then 🤷

atomicpoet,

I mean, if it’s a trend, you’d think I would have noticed it by now.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

And I suppose my experience doesn’t count? Or you think I’m making this up?

atomicpoet,

I don’t know, you haven’t pointed out multiple examples.

Hadriscus,

hmmm that doesn’t ring a bell here either. Which games do this ?

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

The most recent ones I’ve noticed are Riders Republic and Borderlands 2. Helldivers also introduced a bunch of new microtransactions years after it’s launch.

Dyskolos,

And what there is steam’s doing? Borderland’s a greedy IP from a greedy company. What do you expect?

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

And since Steam won’t let you play older versions, those games are effectively dead.

Dyskolos,

So it’s the fault of the delivery-device? Why didn’t you make a backup of an older version just in case? Besides, last time I checked, you can. With a bit more hassle. All not the case for a “live” online-game. Which borderlands wants to be.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

So it’s the fault of the delivery-device?

…yeah? Of course it is.

Why didn’t you make a backup of an older version just in case?

I pay Steam to do that.

Besides, last time I checked, you can. With a bit more hassle.

Not interested.

All not the case for a “live” online-game. Which borderlands wants to be.

That’s exactly the problem.

Dyskolos,

If BL is “exactly the problem”. And GOG does it better. Why is it still steam’s fault? Use GOG then? Where is it the delivery-device’s fault? As BL2 offers online-coop, and is also the major selling point of that game, a fragmented market is impossible.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Why would you think another company doing it better makes Valve not responsible? I don’t understand the logic.

As BL2 offers online-coop, and is also the major selling point of that game, a fragmented market is impossible.

…no? It’s not. You don’t have to play it online.

Dyskolos,

It doesn’t matter if you prefer offline or not or that you CAN play solo, it is online coop. I never played it coop either, but that’s what it is and hence everyone has to have the same version. Simple as that.

Point with gog was that they do it better. Vastly so. Yet only a tiny fraction of devs choose them. Hence it begs the question whether it’s the platform’s fault per se.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

It doesn’t matter if you prefer offline or not or that you CAN play solo, it is online coop.

Of course it does?

Hence it begs the question whether it’s the platform’s fault per se.

There is no question. GOG is proof that you can do it. Therefore if others don’t do it, it’s their fault.

Once again, all of this is beside the point. The point is that those games are effectively gone.

Dyskolos,

It only matters in the sense that you’re allowed to not purchase online games.

Otherwise we’re circling here.

Hadriscus,

I have to say I never played those. Do these microtransactions lock content that was previously available out of the box?

Dyskolos,

That is what firewalls and sinkholes are for. Stupid telemetry.

Yet I never noticed such a “trend” in direct combination with steam. The whole industry goes to shit, but it’s not steam’s fault.

Ulrich, (edited )
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

That is what firewalls and sinkholes are for. Stupid telemetry.

That shouldn’t be necessary and is beside the point.

The whole industry goes to shit, but it’s not steam’s fault.

  1. Steam has the clout to fight back against this
  2. As I already mentioned, it is partially because they don’t allow you to run older versions of games.
skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

[…] because they don’t allow you to run older versions of games.

They do if the dev makes it available, I’m looking at four different versions of Terraria in the beta menu right now that stretch back four major versions. I’m pretty sure a couple games in my library somewhere have their entire update history in there, though I can’t think of one to name off the top of my head right now, that’s not a feature I use very often. [Edit: Rift Wizard is one that does precisely this, I knew I had at least one in here]

This is not true of all games, but it could be, either directly by game devs without Valve even having to care, or via pressure by Valve by just making older versions available whether the devs want it or not. I think the latter option is probably the better move, but there’s technically nothing stopping the former other than the game devs themselves.

There’s also a valid argument that making downpatching very easy would be a huge boon to piracy. This is a reasonable talking point no matter which side of that fence you sit on. It would also probably benefit modding as well, which I think is a more objective good but some game developers or more likely publishers would probably disagree.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

They do if the dev makes it available

That shouldn’t be their decision.

I’m looking at four different versions of Terraria

Literally never seen that before. I think I see if the dev pushing their 4th update that day and now I have to wait a half an hour to play the damn game.

downpatching very easy would be a huge boon to piracy.

Not my problem. Guess I’d better just pirate the game instead.

Dyskolos,

Firewalls and especially sinkholes are VERY necessary, far beyond silly game telemetry.

They don’t allow this for a good reason. Imagine 1 million clueless gamers running an older version of their game because they’re too lazy too update. And, of course, then complain about a buggy game and the tech-support will drown even more and review would end up more badly. nothing worse than a fragmented game-world. how should online games work if every Joe and Jane got their “own” favorite version? the average user is a total clueless (pc-wise) person.

Also, you can install an older version. Just with more hassles. Also you could by GUI with many games IF the Dev wants you to be able to. Like a select few versions, if you’d prefer an older state. But, of course, only indie devs do that.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Firewalls and especially sinkholes are VERY necessary

You misread my comment. I didn’t say they weren’t necessary.

Imagine 1 million clueless gamers running an older version of their game because they’re too lazy too update.

  1. GOG already does this and it’s not a problem.
  2. It updates automatically but you can choose to roll it back at any time.

how should online games work if every Joe and Jane got their “own” favorite version?

Not talking about online games. Besides, the how or why do not matter, the point is the games are gone.

Also, you can install an older version. Just with more hassles.

I pay Steam to deal with the hassles. I am not a software engineer.

But, of course, only indie devs do that.

Valve has the power to enforce this system-wide.

Dyskolos,

Gog does it, but Gog only offers a mere fraction of what Steam has. Also your example of BL2 is not on gog either. For that reason.

Sure, Valve could enforce that, but…as said…why? They already offer the option for different versions. If the devs don’t use that, they will have their reasons. The biggest one i mentioned before: Fragmentation and the resulting nightmare of customer-support. On steam’s AND the dev’s side. Look at the Android or Windows-market. Someone complaining “my windows sucks”, but still uses Windows Vista. Or people screaming for support because “my favourite app doesn’t work” and use android 10.

Don’t get me wrong, personally I’d value the freedom of choice. But the vast majority of people are clueless (and still use those devices) and need to be “guided”. Every system gets dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. That’s why apple does so well (besides the “brand”-shit ofc).

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Gog does it, but Gog only offers a mere fraction of what Steam has.

And that matters for the purposes of this conversation why?

Sure, Valve could enforce that, but…as said…why?

I explained why in my first comment. It’s why we’re talking in the first place.

Fragmentation and the resulting nightmare of customer-support. On steam’s AND the dev’s side.

I don’t see it. Neither of them have to support old versions.

But the vast majority of people are clueless (and still use those devices) and need to be “guided”.

No they don’t. If people are clueless, they don’t need to utilize this feature. It’s call an “option”.

Dyskolos,

Just because YOU don’t see why support on both sides hate fragmentation, doesn’t matter. They do nonetheless for very obvious reasons unless you are very alien to tech.

And yes, people do need guidance. If they’re not forced to update, they rarely do. And then they complain shit’s not working. People don’t read manuals, FAQs, guidelines and also they don’t update unless forced to (or strooongly motivated or just nagged to death). I’ve been in this industry for nearly 4 decades now. From all sides. The average Joe or Jane is the worst.

And yeah sure, it doesn’t matter at all for some games. You play the version you want and it’s all fine. But either you offer this option (which steam does BTW, as mentioned before) or you don’t. If you don’t, maaaany devs would be going to use another platform. Maybe fucking EPIC. That’d be grand.

smeg,

FYI if seems you can access older versions of Steam games, it’s just a bit hacky

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

If I want hacky, I’ll go pirate the game. I pay for them so I don’t need a computer science degree to play them.

smeg,

You can still play them on your GameCube or Wii though, or take copies of the discs and play them on anything that runs Dolphin

kadup, (edited )
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

While you’re not wrong, by that logic, it’s actually fairly trivial to take my Steam downloads drive and run it on any computer even without my Steam account.

smeg,

Does that work? I always assumed games with DRM wouldn’t work if they couldn’t authenticate to your Steam account.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

It works in the same way that dumping your GameCube games and running them on Dolphin works… It’s quick and easy, but it’s against the ToS and requires breaking DRM.

Steam’s DRM is weak, and in some interviews some Valve developers even gave hints that this is on purpose. Many Steam games will simply run without Steam if you just double click the .exe in the install folder, and the vast majority that only rely on Steam’s DRM can be opened by running a free “Steam Emulator” software that pretends to be an active Steam account with a correct license.

sugar_in_your_tea,

A lot of Steam games don’t have any DRM, and most of the rest are pretty easy to strip.

Give it a shot sometime. Completely quit out of Steam, turn off your internet, and try running some of your older Steam games directly from the Steam folder.

I do this somewhat often when my kids are on my other computer playing games on my account and I still want to play something. It’s a little trickier on Linux since you need something to run the Proton/WINE layer, so I mostly stick to Linux-native games in that pretty rare case.

skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Family share is actually great for this now.

It used to be that if anyone in the group was playing any game it would lock you out of playing anything else on the main account without kicking them off.

But they eased up on it now so you can both play at the same time as long as you aren’t playing the same game at the same time.

So just make a burner account for you or for your kids and family share the library to it and now you don’t even have to go offline unless everyone in the house wants to play BG3 simultaneously.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Really? I haven’t tried that since they revamped the sharing thing. I have three accounts, one for me, my wife, and one my kids share, and they’re all linked. Most of the time my kids use my account, but I can easily change that if it’ll allow simultaneous play (on different games).

Thanks for the tip, I’ll try it out!

Dyskolos,

But the vast majority can be played without steam. Mostly by force coughcough but still. I know, still no legal ownership.

MonkderVierte, do games w What's going on with Borderlands 2? Steam is giving it for free, but the game has 23% positive recent reviews.

🏴‍☠️ is free and without shenanigans.

nutsack,

giving root level access to russian crackers instead

FauxLiving,

Shh, the kids don’t want to hear about the dark side of free things (oh hey, a new Meta service!)

/s

RepleteLocum,

If you go to the right sites you won’t get any malicious code. Stop spreading corpo propaganda.

nutsack,

it isn’t propaganda.

it’s been a while since I’ve used windows, but I remember having to give administrator privileges to software installers, whether they are from legitimate vendors or from ripping groups with modified code

InFerNo,

Thats a windows thing so it can put files in “protected” folders like program files

MonkderVierte,

What’s with this anyway? A remnant from the single-user days?

InFerNo,

Some software installers still ask if I want to install for all users, which require elevated permissions, or only for me, which don’t. In that last option it will not prompt for elevated permissions as it will use one of my user’s folders which I have already all permissions for, obviously.

It’s a security measure that’s half assed. People are so used to it they just click allow but don’t actually look at the prompt anymore. Like I see a lot of people do with cookies on websites.

FauxLiving,

Thats a windows thing so it can put files in “protected” folders like program files

The unfortunate thing about the UAC prompt is that it gives the software permission to put files in protected folders, but it also gives the software root permission so it can do literally anything else without prompting the user. Except, I believe, if it tries to install unsigned kernel drivers, then the user has to click a new prompt… but you can completely compromise a machine with the permissions that users routinely give to executables that they download from the Internet.

muusemuuse,

There is nuance here. Not every crack is malicious but you have to assume they all are because some of them are. Trusting a source is irrelevant. Many security products will falsely tag cracked software as dangerous just because it’s cracked, not because it found a specific bit of nasty code, and this feeds the idea that you can’t believe when people tell you cracked software is unsafe. But there are many truly bad cracks out there. When in doubt, don’t trust it.

And you should always doubt free shit.

Venator,

Same is true of any software these days, not just cracks…

muusemuuse,

This is true. Even projects with good reputations get caught up in shit like the XZ back door in Linux.

If you haven’t read up on that fiasco, you really should look into it. It got way too far before being caught all because people suck and ruin things for others.

MonkderVierte,

Over wine?

sp3ctr4l,

Damn, its such a shame you can’t run a crack in a vm, or on linux via WINE and Proton, aw shucks.

nutsack,

and then run whatever modified code it just deployed on the host, yea

sp3ctr4l, (edited )

A game with a malicious crack that can escape a VM running on Windows and get to the main OS?

Sure, possible, but not by any means common.

A game with a malicious crack made for Windows that can… do anything nefarious when you’re running it on linux via WINE and Proton?

… Theoretically possible, but I’ve never heard of this actually occuring.

The same, but also inside another linux OS inside of a Bottle or Distrobox… or full VM… all running on a linux system that is significantly atomized with a read only core-os?

… At that point I am quite doubtful anyone is bothering to make a malicious crack that capable… when 99% of the existing game trainers and hacks that you can find or buy online… only work on Windows.

The crowd of people making game exploits and cheat engines… and the crowd of people making malicious game cracks… that venn diagram is almost a circle… and 99% of these people do not bother to ‘support’ linux, in anyway, at all, with anything they do.

Is using any random cracked software ever 100% safe? No.

But neither is say, using a Windows system, with 0 cracks or hacks… but with a MSFT trusted vendor’s 3rd party anti malware software… where said trusted vendor is allowed to push an unverified update to their kernel level anti-malware system… that is actually malformed, and then knocks out about 1/4 of every enterprise Windows PCs on Earth for 2 weeks.

AlexisBlackbird, do games w Mini Metro -- surprisingly simple but compelling game mechanics and fantastic UI design

For the longest time i played without knowing you could pause. It’s a totally different game 😂

ActuallyGoingCrazy,

YOU CAN PAUSE??? Thanks for dooming my weekend to replaying this gem.

AlexisBlackbird,

Ikr? It turns out you can keep playing once you get to the point you need a complete refactor!

TheBananaKing, do games w Anyone else suddenly itching to blast Nazis in Wolfenstein for no reason at all?

In wolfenstein? No.

Deceptichum,

Ah a CoD player.

InternetCitizen2,
@InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world avatar

Or John Brown club

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

Oh my god we need John Brown simulator. Old western setting, open world, muskets, horses and hand-drawn maps, tracking down slavers and stalking them across the prairie and conducting raids on their properties.

Archelon,

Have you played Assassin’s Creed: Freedom Cry? It’s not a perfect fit but you do get to hunt down slavers and slave ships.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

I have not but that does sound good. Although I’m thinking something a lot more grounded and realistic, like ARMA style maybe.

MajorHavoc,

I would play that.

kittenzrulz123,

Blasting Nazis in wolfesntein is fun but not as fun as the real thing >:3

DJalexTheGameDev, do games w Guys, what did you buy during the Steam autumn sale?
@DJalexTheGameDev@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry but I don’t see any bikes nor traffic lights on your captcha.

Etterra, do games w "Concord servers are now offline. Thank you to all the freegunners who have joined us in the Concord galaxy"

Exec 1: Should we do research into what gamers want to play?

Exec 2: Nah, just smush together whatever everybody else is doing, slap on a new coat of paint, and then ship that shit. The idiots will eat it up and we’ll be rich.

Gamers: Who asked for this? I didn’t ask for this. I don’t want to play this shit. I’ve got better shit that I can play for free.

Exec 1 & 2:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/db0c6cc5-3335-4383-976b-acb55b94d987.jpeg

Katana314,

There have definitely been times that copying other people worked out well.

Fortnite and Apex copied the BR trend when PUBG wasn’t satisfying everyone’s needs. The former even lazily reskinned a zombie defense game for the battle royale approach. Lots of games reskin the theme of Dark Souls and do okay.

Even if it’s lazy or uninventive, once in a while one of those reskins has a particular element of the concept it reinvents in a much better way. Seems Concord never came up with any such ideas, which could have been great since many people are currently tired of Overwatch specifically.

Rekorse,

Those aren’t re-skins though, they just used the battle royals game type as their main game type.

I can’t really think of a similar game to fortnite before it in regards to the combination of building and competitive shooter, although I’m sure someone can point out an early example, and Apex is smashing together counterstrike and maybe overwatch or something similar for the gameplay.

Personally I don’t think apex would have worked if it just looked like a re-skin but its got a lot of great artwork and the level designs are interesting at least to me.

Also fortnite has become the everything game, they have Lego and rocket racing and a guitar hero minigame, its sort of gone wild IMO.

Evotech,

Fortnite started as a sanbox “everything” game

Wasn’t until they added Battle Royale that it became big, but it was always intended to be a playground / creative shooter

qarbone,

What?

I only remember the wave-based, tower defense main mod. What playground mode was there?

homicidalrobot,

You could build up your base (also a defense map) pretty freely, but it was never unlimited resources creative. You’re right to be confused by this comment

homicidalrobot,

Save The World isn’t sandbox or everything and was the only launch mode for the game. It had more mobile gacha practices than anything tbh. I get thinking that seeing as it has taken cues from Roblox, but it isn’t reality

qarbone,

There have been a number of voxel shooter that have shipped lowkey since Minecraft that attempted to add block placement to the team v team ticket shooter, e.g. Ace of Spades.

bigmclargehuge,
@bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world avatar

Ace of Spades which, for the record, is open source (in the form of OpenSpades), totally free, has mod support, and self hosted servers.

Rekorse,

Thanks for the reference, ever heard of that game!

lowleveldata,

Is this about researching? I feel like the game would have done better if it was free to play

Rekorse,

Considering they are refunding all purchases, it definitely would have but they rolled the dice and this is what they got.

Rekorse,

My guess is its too expensive to convert it to free to play now, it would just be taking another huge risk and throwing away money.

slimerancher, do games w Geoff Keighley: No Silksong in Gamescom. Team Cherry are still cooking.
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

I think we should just forget the game exists. One day they will announce it, but until them, let’s just assume there is no Silksong, and Team Cherry is just taking a long long vacation.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not even the biggest Hollow Knight fan, but as long as Fantasy Critic exists, I cannot forget about Silksong.

simple,

I’ve been trying to forget for 5 years now. The hype train will never stop.

Notyou,

My hype train was put away for a couple years, but it came back out this year. If there’s not a definitive release date by the end of the year, then I will go back to pretending it doesn’t exist.

Renacles,

Silksong is just mass hysteria

drspod,

Silk Nukem SongNever

JadenSmith, do astronomy w Size Comparison: Pluto and Australia

What is Pluto doing so close to Australia?

That shouldn’t be allowed. Someone tell it to go back to it’s usual orbit, this is not on.

makyo,

You didn’t know they had a thing? It lasted until Australia found out Pluto wasn’t really a planet.

Agent641,

Fuck off Pluto, we’re full!

edgemaster72,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

It’s their payback for that whole “clears its orbit” business.

intensely_human,

They’re using it to cool up Australia

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