FauxLiving

FauxLiving, wczoraj (edited wczoraj)

No, it’s misinformation and people who uncritically repeat things without verification.

I’ve had the game installed for years and have to manually apply updates, there hasn’t been one. e: I just checked, last update in Steam is dated 2022

All they’ve done is make their TOS universal across all of their games.

e: adding this from last post. TL;DR: People are spreading misinformation

So, let’s look into the claims.

Here’s the TOS:

www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

There is nothing about root level access.

In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

So, to be clear: There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.

FauxLiving, wczoraj

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If you’re worried about personal data collection then I have some bad news for you…

FauxLiving, wczoraj

He said it

That not misinformation…

It is misinformation if the things he said are not true.

So, let’s look into the claims.

Here’s the TOS:

www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/

There is nothing about root level access.

In addition, if you look at the patch history for Borderlands 2 on SteamDB, you will see that the last update for the game was 4 August 2022.

So, to be clear:

There is nothing in the TOS that requires you to submit to a rootkit and there is no spyware that has been added. The comment in the OP is simply wrong.

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This is what happens when you simply read social media and repeat what you’ve heard without checking to see if you’re spreading misinformation.

FauxLiving, wczoraj

Shh, the kids don’t want to hear about the dark side of free things (oh hey, a new Meta service!)

/s

FauxLiving, wczoraj (edited wczoraj)

So…if Steam is running in a Flatpak, and Borderlands is launched from Steam, how much can they even see…really?

Without using exploits to escape the container, not much. A very empty Windows environment with a single game installed, your network interfaces and any directories that the Flatpak has access to (usually just the SteamLibrary directories).

The TOS (www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/) changes are mostly related to data that they collect via their interfacing with Steam and through their website. This idea that they’re requiring you to agree to a root level access or installing a spyware rootkit is just nonsense.

FauxLiving, 14 minut temu

They added spyware to it.

No, they didn’t.

Just because something sounds outrageous, doesn’t mean it is true.

Borderlands 2 hasn’t been updated since 2022:

Borderlands - Last updated: 3 August 2016 Borderlands 2 - Last updated: 4 August 2022 Borderlands 3 - Last updated: 8 August 2024

No Borderlands titles include anti-cheat: areweanticheatyet.com/?search=borderlands

Here is another person, 7 years ago trying the exact same outrage-based engagement farming strategy of linking a TOS update and implying a nefarious intent: www.reddit.com/…/take_two_a_spyware_apocalypse/ It’s exactly the same “Take two is spying on you!!!” content and yet, none of the Borderlands games have added spyware and none have added kernel anti-cheat.

Also, if you read the 2018 and 2025 TOS you will notice notice that the information that they collect in the 2025 TOS ( www.take2games.com/legal/en-US/ ) is exactly the same as it was in 2018.

TL;DR - Just because you read it on the Internet, doesn’t mean it is true.

FauxLiving, 9 minut temu

Thats a windows thing so it can put files in “protected” folders like program files

The unfortunate thing about the UAC prompt is that it gives the software permission to put files in protected folders, but it also gives the software root permission so it can do literally anything else without prompting the user. Except, I believe, if it tries to install unsigned kernel drivers, then the user has to click a new prompt… but you can completely compromise a machine with the permissions that users routinely give to executables that they download from the Internet.

FauxLiving, 42 sekundy temu

The point is that the license agreement for this game and others owned by this company didn’t say this shit before, and now they do.

That’s just not true.

Here’s a Reddit user trying the same kind out outrage farming 7 years ago using Take 2’s TOS and implying it allows spyware: www.reddit.com/…/take_two_a_spyware_apocalypse/

If you look at Valve’s TOS or any other game developer who has games with an online component, you will see the exact same language regarding data collection. The language being added is to comply with laws, like the GDPR, which requires specific language indicating what data is collected and how it is used.

The data that is being collected is the same as it was 10 years ago. There’s nothing new here, just a YT video that got a lot of views and social media being full of people who don’t fact check anything.

FauxLiving, 2 miesiące temu

Co-Optimus is a great resource for this.

Here’s their database with a filter showing all PC games that support LAN play:

co-optim.us/3PFAKyZ

FauxLiving, 3 miesiące temu

I am certain, having never read this agreement, that there is a binding arbitration clause.

No judge would ever see this case.