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criss_cross, do games w Ubisoft EULA demanding consumers destroy delisted games adds fuel to Stop Killing Games movement

Jesus Christ that’s like comic book super villain bad.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Ubisoft is the Shredder of game companies. Evil, but ultimately their plans would fall apart even without the Turtles intervening because they are just awful.

Lost_My_Mind,

Shredder never even has defined plans. Now granted, I was a kid in the 80s. If the new series is different, I don’t know. I didn’t even see the micheal bay movies. I saw the original cartoon, the first 3 movies, and the “coming out of our shell” tour.

Shredder always just kind of showed up, and maybe robbed a jewelry store. Or kidnapped April and that skinny news reporter guy.

There never seemed to be a plan. It was always just vague “do crime and evil shit…”

Then they introduced the mafia, who for some reason just liked tickling everybodies feet.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I only know the OG cartoon and movies, myself. Shredder wasn’t even the true villain in the OG cartoon after a certain point; he became Krang’s bumbling henchman in like the second or 3rd season. Krang, being the literal brains of the operstion had plans and Shredder, well… Shredded them.

jacksilver,

So I ended up reading up on the original comics because I knew they were a bit darker than the cartoons. It seems shredder is only in volume 1 of 4. In it he’s basically a New York Yakuza boss that kills splinters master. So splinter trains the turtles to kill shredder. After that he does get resurrected once, but after that he stays dead.

Volume 2 cover a full on battle with DARPA (for experimenting on aliens and turtles), Volume 3 has a possible daughter of shredder trying to get revenge, but volume 4 retcons volume 3 and focuses on a future where aliens come to earth and the turtles can roam the streets as “aliens” (which isn’t that weird for the series as aliens first appear in volume 1).

So, yeah, it gets kinda weird.

the_q,

In the original comics the Shredder is killed in the first issue.

maxprime,

Also shredder was kinda cool, even if evil.

Tollana1234567,

they even attempted some propaganda by using a show, mythic quest in the pandemic.

slazer2au, do games w Nintendo stock falls after mixed reaction from Switch 2 announcement

This is not big daddy N loosing a bunch of money, this is a market correction. People purchased shares 2 days ago expecting an announcement and the price has returned to normal

finance.yahoo.com/quote/NTDOY/?guccounter=1

The shares were at 15.56 and are now at 14.81.

It is still up 2% over the past week, 6% over the last 6 months, an 8.5% over the last year, and a whopping 51% over the last 5 years.

rustyfish,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for the clarification. The headline sounded fishy.

slazer2au,

They always do. I remember when EA shares dropped by like 3% in a day after an announcement about a game people were like " it’s the end of EA". But then you look at the graph beyond a week and it was still up be several percent.

bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Stocks almost always fall after such an announcement.

psx_crab,

So basically it’s not falling because of mixed reaction, it’s falling because people cashing in

slazer2au,

You could say it is falling because the announcement didn’t meet investors expectations but we must never use that as a gauge of success.

False,

Aka “buy the rumor, sell the news”

FabledAepitaph, do games w EA reportedly shelves Need For Speed completely to focus on other projects

Apparently they do -not- have a Need for Speed

NarrativeBear,

I was in Hot Pursuit to post this first, but you beat me to it.

bridgeenjoyer,

I hate to do it, but we should Shift the conversation to something else.

mfdoom,

Way to drive home the point

tonytins, do games w EA reportedly shelves Need For Speed completely to focus on other projects
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

Gotta pump out more Sims DLC.

Trainguyrom,

I think the saddest part was observing a clear wind down of Sims 4 then last second “lol JK we’re not releasing another sims game” and the entire player base seemed to release a collective sigh that some of the structural problems that have plugged TS4 are here to stay

Naz, (edited )

Project Rene or whatever the hell Sims 5 was supposed to be was suffering from significant takeoff, vision, conceptual and design issues.

Every day, five or six designers would argue about if a feature was inclusive enough, a gesture was offensive, a Simlish term or phrase was close enough to a real life slur.

What they learned was that reality is actually quite cruel and biased and creating their perfect garden hedge-maze of a game removed the essence and life out of it. Sims 5 did not reflect the reality that players actually experienced or had day-to-day, and it was entirely the designer’s fault.

They had created the very thing they despised, a cookie-cutter digital suburbian barbie doll house. With multiplayer, ripe for trolling.

So yeah, I’m not surprised Sims 5 was cancelled.

other_cat,

…What? Where in the world did you pull that from?

what?

Trainguyrom,

Do you have a source for any of that rage bait so we can laugh at it?

Naz,

It’s difficult to find, Project Rene is over two years old now, this is some early test demo footage:

youtu.be/IKn3mskT5yM

Trainguyrom,

Project Rene was literally the biggest news in the Sims space a couple of years ago, it’s not hard to find info about it.

But you know what is hard to find? Anything supporting the wild story you spun to dunk on people who are trying to be decent to their fellow human

Linktank, do games w Nintendo touts high employee retention rate after loss of Microsoft jobs rocks Xbox Game Studios

Nobody cares nintendo, you’re still an asshole.

masterspace, (edited )

Nintendo, the company that makes gamers pay them $500 for a new console every 4 years, and then $80 for a new skin of the exact same game every 2 years, and calls it innovations and consumer friendliness.

Nintendo is a fuckwad company. Gamers are just gaslit cause they like a character that Nintendo owns the copyright to.

mcforest,

I’m pretty sure the Switch 1 is older than 4 years (and was cheaper than $500). And their games are actually quite good.

So Nintendo might be a fuckwad company, but your comment is still full of bullshit.

masterspace,

No my comment just uses normal human language to convey a point instead of min/maxing precision.

Goodeye8,

Using years and hundreds of dollars is not min/maxing precision. That's a stupid excuse for something you should own up because your made up numbers detract from your point. If the numbers don't matter then this shouldn't make your argument look ridiculous.

Nintendo, the company that makes gamers pay them $5000 for a new console every year, and then $800 for a new skin of the exact same game every month, and calls it innovations and consumer friendliness.

You can't just make up numbers and expect to have reasonable argument. By making up numbers you're just opening yourself up to criticism (which it seems you can't take) even if the actual point you're making is right.

masterspace,

Using years and hundreds of dollars is not min/maxing precision. That’s a stupid excuse for something you should own up because your made up numbers detract from your point. If the numbers don’t matter then this shouldn’t make your argument look ridiculous.

Counterpoint: you understood my point, literally just as well as if I had looked up the right numbers and adjusted them for inflation.

Nitpicking is not the same thing as conversing. Grow the fuck up.

pycorax,

You’re also not having a random conversation on the street, this information is just a quick search away. By making up numbers and creating a bigger issue when existing issues are already strong enough of an argument, you hurt your own credibility and attacking people for pointing that out is even worse.

masterspace,

No, it’s just a good way to filter out people who want to engage in pedantry and people who actually want to discuss the issue at hand.

tyler,

Your numbers are so far off as to be meaningless. If the real numbers are half that, and you compare to their competitors, then it’s an entirely different story. The numbers you provide are completely integral to your argument, and your numbers being so wrong means you’re just complaining about nothing.

masterspace,

Why don’t you explicitly write down what you think my argument is?

Then we can see whether or not what you’re saying is accurate, or whether you just can’t read good.

Goodeye8,

I understood your point because we're on the same side and I took a generous interpretation of what you said. Now that I've taken a really critical look I have no fucking idea what you were trying to say because the numbers make no sense.

If I correct your 500 and 4 years, your statement becomes "Nintendo sold their consoles at industry pricie for the average console lifecycle". Oh the horror, Nintendo does what every other console seller does. And the part about selling a reskinned game at full price every 2 years? If I'm being generous I'd say you're talking about BOTW and TOTK. But that's not 2 years and it's not a reskin and your argument implies multiple games but I can barely come up with one.

Your entire comment could've been only the second part and it would've been just as informative as what you actually wrote. That's how worthless your fucked up numbers have made the point.

masterspace,

If I correct your 500 and 4 years, your statement becomes “Nintendo sold their consoles at industry pricie for the average console lifecycle”. Oh the horror, Nintendo does what every other console seller does

No, Nintendo historically produces under powered consoles and overcharges for them so they can make a profit on every console from day 1. That is not what the other console makers do.

And the part about selling a reskinned game at full price every 2 years? If I’m being generous I’d say you’re talking about BOTW and TOTK. But that’s not 2 years and it’s not a reskin and your argument implies multiple games but I can barely come up with one.

Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Mario Party, etc etc etc

Nintendo sells

Cyv_,

Here’s the thing. You’re not arguing against their point you’re arguing about the specific figures not being entirely accurate.

Watching you two go feral over specificity doesn’t convince anyone of anything, it just makes people hostile to talking to you because now they feel they have to hedge everything, because if not you’ll reply with

“You’re*”

And ignore the whole argument they made. Nobody wants to engage with that level of nitpicking pedantry.

Being right isn’t always worth it, because you put the other person in defense mode, show you don’t care about the spirit of the argument as much as the letter, and essentially insult the person in the process.

You’re right, you’re just shit at conversational strategy. Enjoy the fights. That’s all you’re having.

tomalley8342,

When the point is that the Nintendo company charges gamers too much money, the accuracy of the amount of money being charged is relevant, no?

RedStrider,
@RedStrider@lemmy.world avatar

i HATE nintendo, they literally FORCE GAMERS to pay $500,000,000,000,000 dollars for a NEW CONSOLE every month, and then they have the audacity to RELEASE VIDEOGAMES which cost $100,00,000,000 ultra dollars without any care for innovation. just last week they released donkey kong bananza which is a clear RESKIN of far cry 4

nintendon’t wheeze is a stupid ass company, GAMERS are just GASLIGHT because they enjoy things

::: spoiler note Please do not seriously reply to this. It’s 2am and I think I’m going insane.

burgerpocalyse,

i sentence this user to 25 circuits of intermission tracks in mario kart world

RedStrider,
@RedStrider@lemmy.world avatar

nooooooooooooo

Sp00kyB00k,

… Or look up the lifecyle of most of their products. The support is a whole lot longer than four years.

They have no micro transactions and the games are finished when released. Yes, they have their bad side too. So does Sony and Microsoft. There are no good guys in business. Just less bad.

But the beauty is, vote with your wallet. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it

Anafabula, do games w Valve rumored to be working on Android emulator for Steam
@Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Valve throwing some money/developer time at Waydroid would be awesome

offspec,

As far as I understand that’s exactly what’s been happening behind the scenes.

bitfucker,

Proton is throwing money at wine IIRC

Anafabula,
@Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Yes, that’s what I meant. I hope they do something similar for waydroid.

ms_lane,

That’d be great, since it’s basically broken as-is.

Broadfern, do games w Nintendo touts high employee retention rate after loss of Microsoft jobs rocks Xbox Game Studios
@Broadfern@lemmy.world avatar

TBF, even if they’re a shit company to their consumers it’s kind of funny for them to point out they still make boatloads of money while keeping employees since it makes others look bad.

“Efficiency” is smoke-blowing bull for the sake of putting a few more pennies in shareholder stocks. Stable profits are far more sustainable and better for the real economy (where real people spend real money) than infinite growth since having a regular paycheck allows people to continue buying things.

haui_lemmy, do games w Nintendo Switch 2 is already running custom graphics through exploit one day after launch

Device remote bricked in 3…2…1

thatradomguy,

Beat me to it. :)

arudesalad, do games w Nintendo touts high employee retention rate after loss of Microsoft jobs rocks Xbox Game Studios

Nintendo are horrible to consumers but at least they understand the value of their staff. That’s something I value more from a company. (depending on the extent of their anti-consumer practices, nintendo have definetly gone too far with their’s)

lustyargonian, do games w Valve rumored to be working on Android emulator for Steam

SteamDeck, emulate everything.*

  • Proton technically isn’t emulation, but it’s pretty crazy that the device basically doesn’t have anything natively built for it, everything is translated emulated. It took that much effort to break Microsoft’s PC gaming monopoly.
chunkystyles,

The Deck is what have me the confidence to move to Linux on desktop. I wouldn’t have switched if not for Valve.

Persi,

Regardless of what the website says, waydroid isn’t an emulator by any meaningful definition.

It’s a container that runs on top of your regular linux kernel (with some very cool desktop integration features), java/kotlin applications run as natively as they’d run on your phone.

chunkystyles,

That’s interesting. I didn’t know that. I tried working with Waydroid once on Bazzite on an older desktop of mine and didn’t get terribly far with it.

WeLoveCastingSpellz, (edited )

translation is kind of native though. It is almost like porting a winfows app to linux in real time, on the fly. It is pretty cool

lustyargonian,

Yeah it’s pretty cool. Sometimes the translation can even beat native performance.

FreeLikeGNU,

Sadly that’s mostly true, but that may have more to do with devs lack of experience with Linux in general. Often they would have to outsource the port to Aspyr or another team.

CEbbinghaus, do games w 'Powered bv SteamOS' gaming handheld validation leaks in Valve documentation, Asus ROG Ally may be among first handhelds with official SteamOS support
@CEbbinghaus@lemmy.world avatar

Not gonna lie. That is hella hype. Although it does make it harder to target hardware as a game dev. It does however make the whole ecosystem way better.

Hope they introduce some minimum hardware requirements that a hand-held has to have for it to be steamos compatible. That way devs can target that hardware and it will run on any steamos verified device

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Minimum hardware requirements are likely to be performance (at relevant minimum resolution) and battery life at least on the same level as the current Steam Deck.

MudMan,

I don't think that's feasible. The current set of handhelds have the OG Deck at the bottom end of the performance tier anyway, that'll only become relevant if and when a Deck 2 releases, and at that point it will be the same problem to solve with or without third party hardware.

CEbbinghaus,
@CEbbinghaus@lemmy.world avatar

You are assuming that all non steam deck handhelds are going to be better than the steamdeck performance wise. While this may be the case with the ROG Ally I don’t think it holds true with all handhelds so there is possibility for a hand-held with less performance than the steamdeck to be verified

MudMan,

It's 100% true of all Windows handhelds released after the OG Steam Deck, yes. This is not because the Deck is bad, it's because they all are running the same two or three APUs, all built on the same AMD architecture. If it came after the Deck, it's a 6800U with a 780M or slightly better than that, and no new handhelds going forward will launch with anything significantly worse than that.

So beyond retroactive support for first-gen AyaNeo or GPD handhelds that are older than the Deck, I don't think this is a major concern. And if you're on one of those, which were incredibly expensive at launch compared to the Deck, I think you should be pretty well used to underwhelming performance by the time SteamOS verifies them, if ever.

It's really not a realistic scenario. Our floor for performance is well established and this is coming so far down the line that we shouldn't expect to return to it at this point.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

What about someone targeting a handheld spec that actually fits in your pocket? Surely that would be weaker.

MudMan,

Would it?

The GPD Win 4 is roughly the size of a thick PSVita and that ran on a 6800U as well and they released newer ones all the way up to 8800U without increasing the size. Ditto for the Ayaneo Flip, which is still chunky but it's clamshell, so I guess you could cargo pants it.

Ayaneo also makes the Air, which is supposed to be exactly that, and I think there is a model that targets a smaller APU and is super thin, but the next in line already jumps to the 7840U and is comparable to the Deck. I have to imagine that even small PC handhelds will match that performance going forward.

There are pocketable handhelds out there, but they're generally Android-based, which makes a lot more sense. I think for PC we'll see people trying to hit this level of performance in a compact form factor, but I'd be shocked if people tried to go back to sub-6800 performance on PC on new devices.

Again, the point of the Deck is standardized performance, and it quickly became exactly that. Things will get messier once the Deck is replaced by a higher spec, but in the meantime, if it's certified for baseline Deck you're either probably fine or in such a tiny niche (you own 5840u version of the AyaNeo Air? Who are you) that you probably know what you can do with it.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I would not be shocked to find that people are willing to go back to sub 6800 performance in exchange for something the size of those Android devices. There are tons of 2D and low spec 3D games that are very popular that they would run, and pocket sized handheld x64 machines are a niche to fill to stand out from the Steam Deck.

MudMan,

You won't be shocked, though, because like I just told you there is already a couple of those and they didn't do well, only to be replaced by 7800U variants in the same form factor (plus a tad of battery chonk, perhaps). This is not a hypothetical.

Seriously, man, just read what people are telling you. If somebody is threatening to tase you unless you're immediately contrarian irrespective of the information being presented to you blink twice and we'll send someone.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Hi. I'm the guy that wants a low-spec model that fits in my pocket. I exist. Just gimme something that can run my favorite 2D indie games and I'm happy.

I bought a Miyoo Mini Plus last year and ended up loving it far more than my Deck, which is actually just gathering dust still. And now I dream of seeing SteamOS in that size.

But nothing you're describing will fit in that kind of form factor. So if you want to enforce minimum specs, you're really telling me I can't have my dream handheld.

MudMan,

To be clear, I'm not advocating to enforcing a minimum spec. I'm saying that there isn't a need to add a performance rating to a SteamOS certification or to the SteamOS compatibility badges because if they're all based on Steam Deck performance they will be valid for all the other certified devices by default. At least until a Deck 2 is released.

I love small handhelds. The Retroid Pocket Mini is great (shame about the bad scaling on the screen). But those are typically Android handhelds for a reason. I don't think a PC handheld in that form factor is worth it. You can just run Linux on ARM and get the form factor without the whole thing running like a hot potato for 15 minutes before it dies. There's a lot of native ports of small PC indie games in that space and ongoing work for per-game port support, too.

Now, all that could change if the upcoming mobile chips we get are great at running at very low wattages and somehow get amazing power management options on the software side out of nowhere. But... I just don't think that's a priority for anybody specifically because ARM chips already have a well established ecosystem to give you basically what you want without having to tie the X64 platform in knots for the sake of running this over Steam instead of Android.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

An Android device doesn't run my Steam library.

I'm aware of Portmaster, but that's a manual process that is only possible for certain engines. Whereas SteamOS can just run all my games.

MudMan,

Well, yeah, I get that, but honestly, if you can't get what you want on that front from a GPD Win 4, an Ayaneo Air S1 or Flip... well, then what you want is better Windows on ARM support. These are still laptop chips we're cramming into handhelds, it's not a matter of size vs performance at that point. There's a reason the Steam Deck is that size.

Honestly, at that point I'd try streaming, which those smaller ARM devices will do just fine. But even that I don't think is worth it. That's mobile hardware territory.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

I absolutely do not want Windows.

MudMan,

Cool? I mean, it changes nothing. Whether you run the ARM handhelds on Android or barebones Linux and the X64 handhelds on Windows or Linux the results are the same. Bazzite, JelOS, Windows, Android, whatever. Go nuts.

Heat is still heat and batteries are still batteries, though.

atrielienz,

Definitely not with the AYN Loki. So I do see your point.

MossyFeathers, do gaming w Consumer Nintendo Switch 2 rumored to have more RAM than the Xbox Series S
@MossyFeathers@pawb.social avatar

Nintendo having hardware with some oomph? Bullshit. Their thing is making cheap consoles that appeal to anyone who isn’t an edgy teenager. Dlss, Ray tracing, etc is still too new for them.

ninjan,

More importantly too battery draining. I can’t imagine them making a much bulkier switch but it could be that DLSS and Raytracing is docked only or optional with battery warnings if used undocked.

alehel,

Nintendo never really did complicated. Can’t imagine them doing a battery warning with features you can turn on/off.

red,

I mean the Xbox Series S will be a 4 year old non-high-end console by the time the Switch 2 will be released. I can definitely see them go in that direction.

Maybe it will have more RAM, but it will most likely have slower/cheaper RAM. LPDDR5 or LPDDR5X instead of GDDR6. Should also be more power efficient.

Hypx,
@Hypx@kbin.social avatar

It just needs to be a Steam Deck w/nVidia hardware instead.

SnipingNinja,

Performance wise they may get there, but that’s not what makes the steam deck stand out.

MossyFeathers,
@MossyFeathers@pawb.social avatar

Ram is easy to believe, but imo raytracing and dlss are still too new. That said, something I hadn’t thought about is that with the OG Switch using Nvidia’s tegra, it’s entirely possible that Nvidia pushed them to adopt a next-gen version that includes dlss and rtx support.

dudewitbow, (edited )

Neither are too new. Both features are technically available for volta gpus or newer. The switch was maxwell, and unless you fully believe the switch 2 will use pascal (2016), then it is at the very minimum, using volta, which means it can use rtx/dlss (but i dont expwct it to ACTUALLY use rtx)

Perfide,

Raytracing, no chance just from a performance standpoint even if it “supports” it, but DLSS is a given. If anything, I’m worried they’ll end up relying on DLSS to get games “playable”, just like what’s happening on PC.

red,

I bet the Switch 2’s SoC will include a GPU based on Ampere or newer, which means RTX 3000 series capabilities which. Nvidia Tegra Orin from 2019 already included that much.

Of course it will be very likely more limited than even a 3060 mobile chip, but it could include both RT and DLSS 3.5 if they wanted to. I doubt they use RT but DLSS would make a lot of sense.

SomethingBurger,

Why not? The N64 and GameCube were both more powerful than their era’s PlayStation.

MossyFeathers,
@MossyFeathers@pawb.social avatar

While that is true, the Wii, Wii U, and Switch have all been less powerful than their Microsoft and Sony counterparts.

HellAwaits,

And yet their third party support sucks. hmm wonder why

Never_Sm1le,
@Never_Sm1le@lemdro.id avatar

Good hardware sold bad, bad hardware sold good. Easy choice really

shapesandstuff,

I mean ram means fairly little in terms of raw power

hypelightfly,

Having more RAM than the series S doesn't translate to "having hardware with some oomph". The series S is memory starved. 10GB was a small amount even when it launched.

briongloid,
@briongloid@aussie.zone avatar

The Steam Deck already has +6GB more RAM.

niisyth,

This got a hearty chuckle out of me. Thank You

Kbin_space_program,

Stable internet servers, to me, is probably the single most important thing.

The lack of those is the primary reason all of their online league attempts are failing, despite the games themselves being perfect for leagues.

Blackmist,

DLSS or the AMD knock-off would actually be pretty good for them.

RT is kind of pointless in low end hardware though.

Be interesting to see if they support VRR since they control what screen goes into it. A lot more PC users accepting 40fps since Steam Deck. Forcing everything into 30 or 60 is kind of limiting.

SnipingNinja,

It should be DLSS if they stay with Nvidia, which they seem to be based on the rumors.

absquatulate, do games w Ubisoft EULA demanding consumers destroy delisted games adds fuel to Stop Killing Games movement

IANAL but wasn’t that text just some “standard” legalese relating to the way they license software and it was basically unenforceable anyway? I know it’s cool to pick on ubisoft for being a shit company, but BG3 had a similar requirement in the game’s EULA: https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/35f2d0ff-69f1-4dea-95ba-79e0154893a8.png

Same for GOG iirc, but I’m too lazy to search.

bright_side_,
@bright_side_@lemmy.world avatar

Nice observation. Nonetheless it is wrong in any circumstance.

ImplyingImplications,

I can’t find it on GOG’s but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in most EULAs. I’ve seen emails saying “confidential, if you are not the intended recipient of this email you must delete it.” There’s no way to enforce that. Ubisoft isn’t coming to your house to review the contents of your drives. I’m guessing it’s to stop some loophole like “you said I can’t resell your game so instead I sold my hard drive (that has the game installed on it)”.

nightlily,

It’s why no legitimate site is reporting this, because it’s nonsense rage bait.

Nighed,
@Nighed@feddit.uk avatar

That’s saying that if YOU stop the agreement, you have to delete the game though.

mriswith,

That’s one way to tell everyone that you didn’t understand the comment.

Nighed,
@Nighed@feddit.uk avatar

Care to explain then?

I didn’t want to dig out the EULA for more context of that snippet.

HereIAm,

I read it the same way you did. If you want to terminate the EULA, then they request you remove your copies of the game. In that snippet it says nothing about them arbitrary demand you delete all your copies.

kurcatovium,
@kurcatovium@piefed.social avatar

Exactly this. And it's kind of logical actually, when you go crazy like writing Larian "fuck this shit I hate the game, you can shove it up your ass" it's no surprise you're fed up with the game and don't want to have it anymore. It's like when you literally destroyed diskette/CD/DVD back then in a rage (or fighting addiction).

Blueberrydreamer,

They both are. Both agreements can be terminated for any reason. Larion’s says nothing that would prevent them from terminating the agreement, it only clarifies that the signer can. There’s no real difference here.

Klear,

This being “standard legalese” sounds fine to you?

Maalus,

Gog doesn’t have this. They specifically market it that you get to download a binary install and keep the game forever.

pupbiru,

yes but there’s still a EULA you agree to about redistribution and how you’re allowed to use the software etc…even FOSS software has licenses. if there’s terms in there about being able to back out of the agreement, i’d imagine there would be a clause about destroying copies of the software

that all seems very reasonable

newthrowaway20,

Yep I believe that’s what this is. I’ve seen clauses like this in other stuff too. Pretty boiler plate. Not like they can actually enforce it.

ayyy,

Then why the fuck did they write it?

newthrowaway20,

Because a good lawyer looks for any sort of far reaching authority they can legally get away with, and will continues to push boundaries as legally far as they can until they get challenged. All in the name of protecting their clients from liability.

I don’t like it, but I get it. And these things can fall apart when challenged in court or public opinion.

Makes me think of the guy who died from an allergy at Disney land and Disney tried to say he couldn’t sue because of his Disney plus agreement.

Lawyers put in all kinds of legal clauses specifically to try and avoid any and all liability on anything imaginable or unimaginable. Most times it’s beyond what anyone would call reasonable. But we aren’t dealing with reasonable people.

Say I broke a game disk that they told me I had to destroy and I cut myself on it, deep enough to need medical attention. I wonder if I could sue them for the costs, since they specifically told me I had to break my game.

chakli,

Isn’t the conditions quite different, from your screenshot, you get to devices if you want to terminate. But in the other case, they decide.

AnarchistArtificer,

It seems like the relevant section in the Ubisoft EULA says

“Upon termination for any reason, You must immediately uninstall the Product and destroy all copies of the Product in Your possession.”

I read this wording of this to be stricter than the BG3 example you shared, because the BG3 one seems to be saying “if you don’t agree to this EULA (or if you agree, but later terminate that agreement), then you must uninstall the game”. Whereas the Ubisoft one seems to include Ubisoft terminating the agreement, rather than just the user. That’s just my interpretation of these snippets though, as someone who is not a lawyer. It’s possible that the BG3 EULA also includes other parts that would mean similar to what people are unhappy about on the Ubisoft EULA

CheeseNoodle,

afaik both are unenforceable since you can only read them after paying for the product.

dinckelman, do games w Nintendo touts high employee retention rate after loss of Microsoft jobs rocks Xbox Game Studios

Japanese corporations overwork people to literal death, but at least you’re not going to be laid off 2 months into a new job. Not as big of a flex as they think it is

tiredofsametab,

Worker protections and their enforcement have improved in recent years, but things still aren't fully there yet. That said, the whole karoshi thing is getting less and less, which is good. The problem now is less in the big corps and more in the smaller businesses since they end up having less oversight. My company even requires I record hours at my other job (my own company) and submit them to make sure they and I are not in violation of labor law for hours worked.

mnemonicmonkeys,

Worker protections and their enforcement have improved in recent years, but things still aren’t fully there yet.

You’d think they’d have fixed it faster, since it’s the primary factor in why so few Japanese people are having kids

tiredofsametab,

I don't know that it is the primary factor, honestly. Jobs keep moving to places like Tokyo where daycare has a lottery system and is super expensive if one doesn't get into the free one. Add to that that, since corona and Russia's invasion of Ukraine, prices for a lot of things have gone up leading to a cost of living crisis. for many as wages stay stagnant.

Indeed, there was an election yesterday and these were some things that were being mentioned by politicians in the lead-up. In Tokyo, it looks like they are trying to make daycare and school tuition free, which would be a big help. Several schools have even had trouble properly providing meals lately because of the sudden rising costs of food (fees for school are paid at the beginning of the school year so schools have to budget for higher prices and will have worse meals at the beginning to avoid having money for none at the end). Even the far-right anti-foreigner party ran on some kind of payments for kids. Another party talked about getting things less centralized in Tokyo and trying to spread the population out or at least support hose that remain in the countryside.

As for why it wasn't faster, rules have been on the books forever, but people and culture make it different. People feel huge pressure not to make waves so they will clock out and continue working. The more recent legislation has actually addressed this and put some responsibility on the worker themself in my understand, which may help. Corona also showed people what could be and many were angry when forced to go back to the old status quo (and one can see comments about people's manners and patience on the train and other places getting worse in the time since). There's also what is called "power harassment" and the like and lots of old, entitled fuckheads in positions of power at companies who think they are untouchable and, thankfully, are slowly going away.

RightHandOfIkaros,

You will never be laid off at a Japanese company.

They will just unassign you from tasks or reassign you to a boring menial task to make you resign.

That way they don’t pay you severence and they pay way less for your unemployment insurance.

lorty, do games w Valve rumored to be working on Android emulator for Steam
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

Guess they want to make it easy for mobile devs to launch their games on steam. Not sure if there’s a market for it though.

dwalin,

Don’t these guys have phones??? (Blizzard style)

skulbuny,
@skulbuny@sh.itjust.works avatar

Uhh… for their steam deck I’d think 😂 not that it’d be a primarily mobile gaming device, but no reason not to put your mobile games on it if you like them

Leg,
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This was my first thought. I’ve wanted to be able to play mobile games on my steam deck since I got it.

asexualchangeling,

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  • Leg,
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    You are so real for this.

    zyberteq,
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    Maybe a start for their own Android store? And later an iOS store perhaps? (Although that’s an entire different can of worms, regulations and apples)

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