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Anafabula, do games w Valve rumored to be working on Android emulator for Steam
@Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Valve throwing some money/developer time at Waydroid would be awesome

offspec,

As far as I understand that’s exactly what’s been happening behind the scenes.

bitfucker,

Proton is throwing money at wine IIRC

Anafabula,
@Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Yes, that’s what I meant. I hope they do something similar for waydroid.

ms_lane,

That’d be great, since it’s basically broken as-is.

lustyargonian, do games w Valve rumored to be working on Android emulator for Steam

SteamDeck, emulate everything.*

  • Proton technically isn’t emulation, but it’s pretty crazy that the device basically doesn’t have anything natively built for it, everything is translated emulated. It took that much effort to break Microsoft’s PC gaming monopoly.
chunkystyles,

The Deck is what have me the confidence to move to Linux on desktop. I wouldn’t have switched if not for Valve.

Persi,

Regardless of what the website says, waydroid isn’t an emulator by any meaningful definition.

It’s a container that runs on top of your regular linux kernel (with some very cool desktop integration features), java/kotlin applications run as natively as they’d run on your phone.

chunkystyles,

That’s interesting. I didn’t know that. I tried working with Waydroid once on Bazzite on an older desktop of mine and didn’t get terribly far with it.

WeLoveCastingSpellz, (edited )

translation is kind of native though. It is almost like porting a winfows app to linux in real time, on the fly. It is pretty cool

lustyargonian,

Yeah it’s pretty cool. Sometimes the translation can even beat native performance.

FreeLikeGNU,

Sadly that’s mostly true, but that may have more to do with devs lack of experience with Linux in general. Often they would have to outsource the port to Aspyr or another team.

MossyFeathers, do gaming w Consumer Nintendo Switch 2 rumored to have more RAM than the Xbox Series S

Nintendo having hardware with some oomph? Bullshit. Their thing is making cheap consoles that appeal to anyone who isn’t an edgy teenager. Dlss, Ray tracing, etc is still too new for them.

ninjan,

More importantly too battery draining. I can’t imagine them making a much bulkier switch but it could be that DLSS and Raytracing is docked only or optional with battery warnings if used undocked.

alehel,

Nintendo never really did complicated. Can’t imagine them doing a battery warning with features you can turn on/off.

red,

I mean the Xbox Series S will be a 4 year old non-high-end console by the time the Switch 2 will be released. I can definitely see them go in that direction.

Maybe it will have more RAM, but it will most likely have slower/cheaper RAM. LPDDR5 or LPDDR5X instead of GDDR6. Should also be more power efficient.

Hypx,
@Hypx@kbin.social avatar

It just needs to be a Steam Deck w/nVidia hardware instead.

SnipingNinja,

Performance wise they may get there, but that’s not what makes the steam deck stand out.

MossyFeathers,

Ram is easy to believe, but imo raytracing and dlss are still too new. That said, something I hadn’t thought about is that with the OG Switch using Nvidia’s tegra, it’s entirely possible that Nvidia pushed them to adopt a next-gen version that includes dlss and rtx support.

dudewitbow, (edited )

Neither are too new. Both features are technically available for volta gpus or newer. The switch was maxwell, and unless you fully believe the switch 2 will use pascal (2016), then it is at the very minimum, using volta, which means it can use rtx/dlss (but i dont expwct it to ACTUALLY use rtx)

Perfide,

Raytracing, no chance just from a performance standpoint even if it “supports” it, but DLSS is a given. If anything, I’m worried they’ll end up relying on DLSS to get games “playable”, just like what’s happening on PC.

red,

I bet the Switch 2’s SoC will include a GPU based on Ampere or newer, which means RTX 3000 series capabilities which. Nvidia Tegra Orin from 2019 already included that much.

Of course it will be very likely more limited than even a 3060 mobile chip, but it could include both RT and DLSS 3.5 if they wanted to. I doubt they use RT but DLSS would make a lot of sense.

SomethingBurger,

Why not? The N64 and GameCube were both more powerful than their era’s PlayStation.

MossyFeathers,

While that is true, the Wii, Wii U, and Switch have all been less powerful than their Microsoft and Sony counterparts.

HellAwaits,

And yet their third party support sucks. hmm wonder why

Never_Sm1le,
@Never_Sm1le@lemdro.id avatar

Good hardware sold bad, bad hardware sold good. Easy choice really

shapesandstuff,

I mean ram means fairly little in terms of raw power

hypelightfly,

Having more RAM than the series S doesn't translate to "having hardware with some oomph". The series S is memory starved. 10GB was a small amount even when it launched.

briongloid,
@briongloid@aussie.zone avatar

The Steam Deck already has +6GB more RAM.

niisyth,

This got a hearty chuckle out of me. Thank You

Kbin_space_program,

Stable internet servers, to me, is probably the single most important thing.

The lack of those is the primary reason all of their online league attempts are failing, despite the games themselves being perfect for leagues.

Blackmist,

DLSS or the AMD knock-off would actually be pretty good for them.

RT is kind of pointless in low end hardware though.

Be interesting to see if they support VRR since they control what screen goes into it. A lot more PC users accepting 40fps since Steam Deck. Forcing everything into 30 or 60 is kind of limiting.

SnipingNinja,

It should be DLSS if they stay with Nvidia, which they seem to be based on the rumors.

lorty, do games w Valve rumored to be working on Android emulator for Steam
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

Guess they want to make it easy for mobile devs to launch their games on steam. Not sure if there’s a market for it though.

dwalin,

Don’t these guys have phones??? (Blizzard style)

skulbuny,
@skulbuny@sh.itjust.works avatar

Uhh… for their steam deck I’d think 😂 not that it’d be a primarily mobile gaming device, but no reason not to put your mobile games on it if you like them

Leg,
@Leg@sh.itjust.works avatar

This was my first thought. I’ve wanted to be able to play mobile games on my steam deck since I got it.

asexualchangeling,

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  • Leg,
    @Leg@sh.itjust.works avatar

    You are so real for this.

    zyberteq,

    Maybe a start for their own Android store? And later an iOS store perhaps? (Although that’s an entire different can of worms, regulations and apples)

    GammaGames, (edited ) do gaming w Consumer Nintendo Switch 2 rumored to have more RAM than the Xbox Series S

    Here we go again with the rumors 🙃 the worst part of the Nintendo console lifecycle

    That being said, DLSS would be awesome on something like the switch

    MossyFeathers,

    I doubt the rumors are true, but DLAA sounds cool (AI-driven anti-aliasing).

    GammaGames,

    A Nintendo console with anti-aliasing in first party games would be revolutionary lol

    bright_side_,

    I mean Pikmin 4 has AA

    Dominic,

    Pikmin 4 is built on Unreal Engine, so it’s already something of a unicorn in Nintendo’s library.

    bright_side_,

    It is not common, true but yoshis crafted world is another ue example. It might get more common

    red,

    I just wonder whether they want to use DLSS for more FPS on the handheld or whether it’s simply their future way to upscale from the native handheld resolution to 4K when docked.

    Surely DLSS would be very taxing on the battery life, but it would be great to improve the docked experience which is often rather bad (stuttering, etc.) with the old Switch.

    GammaGames, (edited )

    Personally, I only want it in the dock. Handheld doesn’t have to be that high res but it would be really nice to have in TV mode

    Lojcs,

    Why should it be very taxing for the battery? Docked or not it ultimately decreases the amount of work the gpu has to do.

    kratoz29,
    @kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

    I don’t remember how the rumours of the Switch OLED were… but I guess some were funny.

    ursakhiin,

    I heard it will have a flux capacitor. I can’t wait to get it on the freeway!

    sim_,

    Why is it the worst part? If you hate rumors, just scroll past.

    TheTechnician27, do games w New Windows gamepad keyboard will soon make typing on Legion Go, Asus ROG Ally more like the Steam Deck
    @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world avatar

    Just a low-effort regurgitation of a MS blog post to then sell you on an ROG Ally X affiliate link at the end. I love modern online journalism.

    jordanlund, do gaming w Consumer Nintendo Switch 2 rumored to have more RAM than the Xbox Series S
    !deleted7836 avatar

    Low bar. :) The Xbox One X has more RAM than the Xbox Series S.

    hypelightfly,

    So does the Steam Deck and some phones.

    jordanlund,
    !deleted7836 avatar

    More shocking is the speed of the RAM involved.

    Xbox Series S
    8 GB running at 224 GB/s
    2 GB at 56 GB/s

    By comparison:

    Xbox Series X
    16 GB @ 560 GB/s

    PS5
    16 GB @ 448 GB/s

    Xbox One X
    12 GB @ 326.4 GB/s

    Steam Deck
    16 GB @ 88 GB/s

    Switch
    4 GB @ 25.6 GB/s

    hypelightfly,

    You're highlighting the slower 2GB but in reality that's not used by games in the first place. They're relegated to the 8GB which is significantly faster.

    The Steam Deck has essentially 2x the available memory but it's much slower. The point being "having more RAM" isn't some amazing feat. It really depends on all the involved specs. Even amount/bandwidth isn't enough. GDDR has much higher bandwidth than DDR or LPDDR but it's also higher latency. It's tuned for graphics, not system RAM depending on the work load one can be faster than the other.

    jordanlund,
    !deleted7836 avatar

    If it had 10 GB at the higher speed it would still be hamstrung, but not as badly as it is with 8 GB and 2 GB that’s essentially unusable except for maybe UI overlays.

    hypelightfly, (edited )

    The 2 is mostly used by the OS. Yes, it would be better if it was all faster but it still wouldn't be used by the GPU as it's segmented.

    It's all moot to my original point though. Having more RAM isn't some miracle or a sign it will be faster.

    jordanlund,
    !deleted7836 avatar

    More shocking is the speed of the RAM involved.

    Xbox Series S
    8 GB running at 224 GB/s
    2 GB at 56 GB/s

    By comparison:

    Xbox Series X
    16 GB @ 560 GB/s

    PS5
    16 GB @ 448 GB/s

    Xbox One X
    12 GB @ 326.4 GB/s

    Steam Deck
    16 GB @ 88 GB/s

    Switch
    4 GB @ 25.6 GB/s

    narc0tic_bird,

    The Series X also has two speed tiers. 10 GB @ 560 GB/s, and 6 GB at 336 GB/s.

    Dominic,

    That 25.6 GB/s memory bandwidth is apparently the Switch’s bottleneck.

    Zoomboingding, do games w Valve rumored to be working on Android emulator for Steam
    @Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

    No idea why it’s difficult to run android on PC in the first place. Windows 11 can do it, but I’m clinging to 10 until it’s gone.

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    Have you heard the good news about Linux?

    SatyrSack, (edited )

    It is still surprisingly far from straightforward to get it working

    EDIT: I mean Android on Linux is difficult. Not Linux itself.

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    Fair enough. I’m just fulfilling Lemmy’s contractual obligation to mention Linux any time someone doesn’t want to “upgrade” to Windows 11.

    xavier666,

    Linus pays me $100 a month for spamming Linux. You also get payed, right?

    hoch,

    Every. Fucking. Thread.

    TheGalacticVoid,

    “Hey instead of complaining about a few minor annoyances on Windows, why not just switch to Linux?”

    Like I have many uses for Linux and appreciate it, but the amount of suggestions that I see telling someone that Linux is the fix is way too many

    The point here is that MS made a pretty killer feature that was easy to set up, and it failed because nobody used it.

    FreeLikeGNU,

    In the end you are still at the mercy of their shareholders and their core mission of EEE over end-user empowerment. Every thing they build is designed with lock-in and obfuscation to protect themselves.

    pathief,
    @pathief@lemmy.world avatar

    I fear becoming that guy, can you call me out if I do? Cheers.

    xavier666,

    Not a priority for Microsoft anymore.

    theverge.com/…/microsoft-windows-11-android-apps-…

    IronKrill,

    Still pisses me off, this was one of the reasons I updated and they half-assed the implemenation then said they’re killing it because no one is using it… no shit no one is using it, you hid it it behind the Amazon App (that no one uses) in the MS Store (that no one uses) and layers of docs for sideloading.

    ms_lane,

    It’s been around in one form or another since the Windows Phone 10 days, it was a weird beta that would sometimes work and required a lot of faffing about.

    t3rmit3, do gaming w Consumer Nintendo Switch 2 rumored to have more RAM than the Xbox Series S

    “8gb of DDR3!”

    lowleveldata,

    DDR3 rams are more expensive than other options at this point

    t3rmit3,

    don’t know where you got that idea, but 16gb of ddr3 can be gotten easily for $30, as where 16gb of ddr5 is going to run you $100 minimum (talking retail prices, obv)

    lowleveldata,

    Really? Where I live I can’t really get DDR3 rams anymore

    Lojcs,

    Just looked up the cheapest new 16G options in Turkey

    • Ddr3: 1195₺ ~ $44
    • Ddr4: 837₺ ~ $31
    • Ddr5: 1179₺ ~ $44

    Ddr5 is cheaper than you think

    b9chomps,
    @b9chomps@beehaw.org avatar

    I think there is a difference (like you said) between you picking up 2 sticks of remaining DDR3 stock and a console manufacturer sourcing it for their new console.

    Poggervania, do gaming w Consumer Nintendo Switch 2 rumored to have more RAM than the Xbox Series S
    @Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

    More RAM doesn’t really mean anything in gaming performance. It helps, but a faster CPU and GPU with a good whack of VRAM is gonna help more.

    Primarily0617,

    arguably RAM matters the most

    gpu and cpu you can just downgrade the quality, but at a certain point everything has to fit into memory

    e.g., baldur's gate 3 literally couldn't be properly ported to the S because of a RAM limitation

    Poggervania,
    @Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

    Oh shit, really? Wasn’t even aware of that lol, I always had the generally recommended amount of RAM in my gaming rig so I never thought that would be a thing.

    dom,

    There is a point where more ram doesnt help and maybe that’s what you are thinking of. It’s more “must be this tall to ride” from my understanding

    EddoWagt,

    Also, textures, usually they don’t really cost performance and absolutely change the visuals of a game, but can be massively limited by a lack of ram

    HellAwaits,

    not even remotely true.

    crmsnbleyd,
    @crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Consoles have shared RAM between CPU and GPU, more RAM is more VRAM

    Never_Sm1le,
    @Never_Sm1le@lemdro.id avatar

    You are thinking from pc pov. PS3 is perhaps the last major home console that have dedicated ram and vram, maybe 3ds had it on the handheld front

    narc0tic_bird,

    Not sure about 3DS, but the PlayStation Vita had 128 MB of VRAM in addition to the 512 MB of system RAM.

    refurbishedrefurbisher, do games w New Windows gamepad keyboard will soon make typing on Legion Go, Asus ROG Ally more like the Steam Deck

    Hard to replicate the typing experience on the Deck when the hardware doesn’t have dual trackpads.

    Corigan,

    I should read the comments before posting. I had the same thought.

    qevlarr, do games w Valve rumored to be working on Android emulator for Steam
    @qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

    If this means I can play my Steam games on my phone… Yay! 🎉

    PieMePlenty,

    More like the other way round.

    You can stream steam games to your phone with steam link thought.

    qevlarr,
    @qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait, but Steam doesn’t have Android games, right?

    bitwaba,

    Yeah. Stream your android games from your phone to your steam deck so you can stream them to your phone!

    squirrel,
    @squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Stream the stream from your stream to stream it to your stream.

    grayhaze,
    @grayhaze@lemmy.world avatar

    Which is what they’re rumored to be working on. Hence the post.

    SatyrSack,

    Yet

    xavier666,

    While I welcome Android games on Steam, a part of me is repulsed by how Android game devs treat their customers; in-game ads, horrendous amount of mtx, p2w. Not saying that Steam games don’t suffer mtx but it’s way lesser.

    Anyway, let’s see how it goes.

    pathief,
    @pathief@lemmy.world avatar

    The main problem is the amount of REALLY bad games. It’s very hard to find decent games, most of them are intentionally unplayable garbage.

    xavier666,

    We need a dedicated Green Light with Dev guidelines for Android games. Or at least a separate store section for them. I really don’t want to get flooded by low-effort mobile games.

    helenslunch, (edited )
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    Honestly Steam is WAY overdue for an Android store.

    Although it seems like putting the cart before the horse if they’re developing Android support for Steam Deck before launching a game store.

    tourist,
    @tourist@lemmy.world avatar

    Finally

    Steam phones on my game

    smeg,

    You can sort of do that with Winlator, but it’s pretty early tech!

    gaytswiftfan, do gaming w Consumer Nintendo Switch 2 rumored to have more RAM than the Xbox Series S

    in typical nintendo fashion the bar for hardware is on the floor

    FreeLikeGNU, do games w Valve rumored to be working on Android emulator for Steam

    Hmm something about this has me fantasizing about a phone sized deck. But considering Valves development of VR and this development, I think they are going to tap into the android based VR dev pool for porting titles to an official Android on Steam platform.

    Renacles, do gaming w Consumer Nintendo Switch 2 rumored to have more RAM than the Xbox Series S

    It really should, the Series S is already looking dead and we are only at the beginning of the console lifecycle.

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