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big_duck_energy, do games w BioWare vet says Mass Effect and Dragon Age got "too homogenous," wishes Dragon Age had been more "Neverwinter-like"
@big_duck_energy@partizle.com avatar

I absolutely loved Dragon Age: Inquisition, don’t hate me.

Custoslibera,

Origins was amazing DAII was serviceable Varric did a lot of heavy lifting. DA:Inquisition I played 10 minutes of and dropped it.

I played all games in succession after buying on steam too.

TheyKeepOnRising,

Calling DA2 serviceable is probably some of the highest praise it’s received. The game is steaming dookie. It took out every single thing that made Origins a masterpiece and gave us a dialogue wheel and an entire game made of 5 copy+pasted rooms. Also a nonsensical main plot with no real player agency and the most forgettable ending of all.

DAI is mid af but it looks like a God damn masterpiece next to DA2.

kaitco,

Don’t feel bad, man. I’m one of the 6 folks who enjoyed DA2.

stopthatgirl7,
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I’m also one of that small number. It’s actually my favorite in the series.

Mass Effect 2 is also my least favorite in the series, so I know I’m in the minority for both franchises.

DragonTypeWyvern,

If they hadn’t reused the maps it’d been remembered as one of the greats.

I also thought the balance on Nightmare or whatever was an atrocious mix of ubertank enemies and getting one-shot by rogues but the actual story and companions were fantastic.

stopthatgirl7,
!deleted7120 avatar

I can only imagine how good DA2 would have been if BioWare had been given more than a year and a half to make it.

Murais,
@Murais@lemmy.one avatar

I guess that makes me number 3?

The ending was a bit silly, but the Qunari storyline was fucking incredible.

stopthatgirl7,
!deleted7120 avatar

When I found out that fight with Orsino had been mandated by higher ups who demanded another boss fight be added, it explained so much.

Kahlenar,

What exactly do you mean by that? Like, he could have indeed been a well meaning mage just trying to live under templar thumbs? Instead of also being exactly the smoking gun?

stopthatgirl7,
!deleted7120 avatar

The Orsino fight doesn’t make much sense if you side with the mages - there was no reason for him to go Akira monster when he did. Even BioWare acknowledged how little sense it made, in a conversation you can have with Varric in Inquisition.

chuckleslord,

Listen, it might’ve looked cheap as fuck, but I found a certain charm in the “every dungeon interior is just one of three dungeons with different parts blocked off”. Plus the combat flowed really well. I played that whole game through like… 5 times. One right after the other.

kaitco,

If you play it after coming off Mass Effect 1, the “every colony bunker or mine is one of three options” regardless of the planet just becomes part of that Old BioWare’s aesthetic.

Norgur,

Great ideas, cool combat system, great art style and graphics, ruined by writing that was somehow chaotic and utterly predictable at the same time and stupid ass kill ten rats/fetch 10 letters filler quests.

OscarRobin,

The combat got pretty repetitive imo. Though that wasn’t helped by just how many times you had to do the same fights against rifts/tears etc

GreenMario,

Didn’t finish but liked it a lot more than most people.

Hyggyldy,

Well I wasn’t planning on hating you but due to my compulsive contrarianism we are now bitter enemies. See you in Hell and have a nice day!

L3ft3r1s, do xbox w Starfield surpasses 6 million players to become Bethesda's best launch yet, beating Skyrim and Fallout

100% deserved! Masterpiece with unlimited potential. ❤️

pgetsos, do games w Steam players hate NBA 2K24 almost as much as they hate Overwatch 2
@pgetsos@kbin.social avatar

I just miss the sport games of 10-20 years ago. They were just fun. Of course they weren't perfect but we didn't care. Now microtransactions have ruined everything....

weirdo_from_space,

Good sports games are still made, they just don’t have the offical roster… out of the box.

Maestro, do games w Steam players hate NBA 2K24 almost as much as they hate Overwatch 2
@Maestro@kbin.social avatar

Stupid question: why call it 2K24 instead of 2024? It's the same amount of characters...

pgetsos,
@pgetsos@kbin.social avatar

The company is called 2K. Also, it is their "brand" since forever e.g. 2K5 for the 2005 one

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

It also distinguishes them from EA’s sports titles. Or at least, it did, when they both made games for the same sports.

dyma,
@dyma@lemmy.world avatar

also if you’ve ever asked a 2k player what game they play, they’ll often just say 2k without the year since it almost doesn’t matter

thanevim,

Someone in marketing thought that sounded cooler and would make more sales

sadreality, do games w Steam players hate NBA 2K24 almost as much as they hate Overwatch 2

How are y'all buying this still jfc

GreenMario,

Who else makes NBA games?

That’s why.

sadreality,

Can't you just keep playing year old version? Like NBA22 or NBA21, skip a few years in between?

turddle,

There’re definitely roster updates and other little stuff that gets added and tweaked in the new versions as much as people like to meme about “same game”. The old versions don’t update so that’s how they get new sales. Kinda bullshit but that’s what it is.

PC gets a special short straw though and is the last gen version of the game despite PC being on par or better than the new consoles. 2K knows where they make the money and do the least everywhere else. That part is definite bullshit.

sadreality,

certified toxic.

I think call of duty did that thing recently, where Modern Warfare 2019 got "deprecated" so peasants buy MW2. I am done with tit.

turddle,

Yeah the lack of effort is just too brazen nowadays. Instead of making the new thing better they just make the old thing worse.

But as long as consoles keep selling, these companies won’t be stopping. Terrible

keeb420,

Sports games are one of the few genre where it might make sense as a gaas approach. Make 1 game for the console generation and sell roster updates every year. Add in micro transactions for the dumb stuff and it seem to be a win win all around. The game gets cheaper meaning more people will likely buy it. No one has to complain it's the same game every year because it would be by design. And devs wouldn't have to crunch every year to get the game out.

turddle,

Totally agree. Shoot, even when I was still buying them I’d wait til they dropped to like $20 mid-season. It’s more of a DLC at that point which makes more sense considering what we get

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

Many people do. Yes, there are those that buy every year but I genuinely think they are the minority. You gotta think, even if only 1/3 of all the 2k NBA fans buy every three years, that's... still a lot of sales.

weirdo_from_space,

Is that really the only important aspect? That it has the NBA or Madden or FIFA brand? Does the actual game not matter at all? Because if so, I think sports gamers made their decision and have no right to complain about it’s results.

turddle,

It’s the definitive basketball game and objectively does the job when it comes to that. It has its quirks for sure but the popularity speaks for itself. And given the choice, people would rather play as Lebron James as opposed to some random generated Jebron Lames; they want the real thing as seen on TV.

Now, 2K being dicks about having last-gen on PC after so many years. That’s definitely something to complain about and the reviews are deserved.

weirdo_from_space,

Wasn’t NBA 2K20’s trailer disliked to hell because it dedicated more time to show off the roulette wheel, pachinko and slots than basketball? That really doesn’t look like the definitive basketball game, dude. Multiplayer seems to work well enough but most of the complaints are over single player features, at least you can play a different game for that aspect.

turddle,

I didn’t really encounter all that when I played and I stuck to the single player. But I don’t think that detracts from the core concept: 2K is THE basketball game when you ask most any fan or even NBA players. These guys are coming in for face scans and concerned for their in-game rating so yeah, popularity speaks for itself.

That said, the micro transaction stuff is terrible but it’s more of a thing that got slapped onto the game out of greed. I wouldn’t say it defines the game itself. Hence the complaints; mine included.

GreenMario,

Blitz tried to make a football game without licensed players after Madden got the exclusive.

It flopped real fucking hard. Blitz The League, if you’re wondering.

Sports fans really want those actual rosters.

weirdo_from_space,

Blitz the League came out at a different time, Madden was still a beloved series by this point. You have two sports games, both are good, but one of them has the NFL license and the other doesn’t. I wouldn’t fault anyone for looking at Madden as a no brainer in such a situation.

Times have clearly changed, how many times did Angry Joe made videos ripping the Madden of the year into pieces? If the game is really that bad, giving up on the roster seems like a good compromise if it means a good game. But according to Madden players roster comes first, so I don’t know what they are complaining about.

I get that a good sports game that has the players you know and support isn’t much to ask but it’s what it is.

SatyrSack,

No one said you have to buy basketball games

GreenMario,

Never met a sports ball fan? This shit isn’t negotiable. Having working multiplayer (last years always get shut down) and up to date accurate rosters is crucial.

EA/2K got these people by the balls because there is no competition due to exclusivity. It’s really fucked up and sad for sports ball fans.

NightOwl,

I’m a nba fan though, and I just stopped playing basketball games because I got tired of paying for roster updates. And now monetization is even worse so genre is dead to me. So as a former fan of 2k I don’t understand having to play the games so badly that people keep paying for it every year.

That applies to any game or franchise. If it gets bad enough that I detest it I’d just move on from it even if no option pops up. Especially one so predatory on top of being an annual release.

FARTYSHARTBLAST, do games w Steam players hate NBA 2K24 almost as much as they hate Overwatch 2
@FARTYSHARTBLAST@kbin.social avatar

Oof, that's a pretty low bar.

simple, do games w Steam players hate NBA 2K24 almost as much as they hate Overwatch 2

Yeah but every NBA game gets flooded with negative reviews and these people will buy it again next year. It doesn’t matter how many negative reviews it has if it sells well.

I always have a laugh when half of these reviews are “wow guys this poorly rated game that everyone told me is garbage turned out to be garbage. They’re making the same game every year!”, fast forward to them posting the same review next year.

WarmSoda,

I got Madden 22 for free and for awhile I was enjoying it. It was my first Madden game since the 360. So I start going to forums for the game, and every single post was about how bad the game is, highlighting ridiculous bugs, shitty AI, missing features.

Then details about Madden 23 started to come out and everyone that was tearing 22 apart was absolutely in love with every little thing that was shown.

I stopped reading those forums. It was surreal.

GreenMario,

Civilization series is notorious for that too. Civ -1 is always the best of the series and current Civ is the worst.

WarmSoda,

At least civ tries new things. But yeah the constant release of a new game with less features is pretty common.

Slwh47696,

Man I remember being on the Gamefaqs forums back in like 2005 or so, and people were complaining about this exact scenario back then. Some things never change

______,

I know someone who routinely preorders games and constantly gets disappointed and never fails to preorder again.

Triple A games most of the time. You can probably guess which franchises.

KingThrillgore, do xbox w Starfield surpasses 6 million players to become Bethesda's best launch yet, beating Skyrim and Fallout
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

And it still runs like ass

Devious_Thoughts, do xbox w Starfield surpasses 6 million players to become Bethesda's best launch yet, beating Skyrim and Fallout

I thought it was woke

riceandbeans161,

oh god, PRONOUNS! The horror!

MonkderZweite, do xbox w Starfield surpasses 6 million players to become Bethesda's best launch yet, beating Skyrim and Fallout

Yep, why?!

Astroturfed, do xbox w Starfield surpasses 6 million players to become Bethesda's best launch yet, beating Skyrim and Fallout

It’s on gamepass right? I wonder how these numbers would compare if it wasn’t…

WereCat,

I mean, peak on Steam is still lower than Baldurs Gate 3 daily count after over a month since release. So I don’t think it’s THAT successful, though the numbers are not bad for a single player game.

derekabutton,

But for anybody on both game pass and steam, it’s cheaper to just play on game pass. That skews the data quite a bit. I’ll play it for “free” now and then buy it on steam in 5 years on sale if I ever get the inclination.

PeterPoopshit, do xbox w Starfield surpasses 6 million players to become Bethesda's best launch yet, beating Skyrim and Fallout

The biggest reason I never got into Skyrim or Fallout is because it’s not in space.

WereCat,

I also want a medieval game in space

riceandbeans161,

unironically, yes. Give me some Peter F Hamilton Void-esque stuff.

stratoscaster,

Y’know that would almost make sense tbh. You wouldn’t want to be tossing grenades or shooting guns inside a spaceship lol

XbSuper, do xbox w Starfield surpasses 6 million players to become Bethesda's best launch yet, beating Skyrim and Fallout

Not surprised. I’m just trying to decide if I should get an xbox or a steam deck to play it on. Xbox seems like it’ll play it better, but portability is rather enticing.

forgotaboutlaye,

I have it on PC, and performance is really hit or miss on Steamdeck, so I mostly play on my PC. There are some modded quality presets that help, but in the big cities framerate really dips.

If your options are Xbox or Steamdeck, id go for xbox

Lycerius,

I bought a Series S specifically for this game and it plays great. I’m typically a Playstation person, but so far I haven’t picked up a PS5 because the only game I don’t have access to, that I want to play, without a PS5 is FFXVI.

XbSuper,

Hmm, if the series s can play it well, that’s probably the direction I’ll go. Portability would be nice, but I wouldn’t use it that often, I’d likely get the tv dock and leave it there for 90% of its life. The series s has the best price point, and would probably serve my needs best

riceandbeans161,

i’ve had the series s since release day and have been beyond happy with it, coming from PC gaming. Haven’t found a game that didn’t run well enough to enjoy with a controller. Even Cyberpunk was great fun.

And you can pick up a used one for under £200, can’t beat that.

curiousaur,

Is it JUST for this game? If it is, then it’s fairly even, choose performance or portability. But seriously, get a steam deck, once you realize what an unlock having the entire steam ecosystem in a comfortable portable form factor is, there’s just so many games to enjoy.

slimerancher,
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

I am planning to go for Xbox (actually, I am waiting for Pro version, the activision case brought up that there was plan for PS5 pro soon, so Xbox Series X Pro shouldn’t be far behind). While Starfield is a major reason, there is also Avowed coming up, and I have big hopes for that. Not to mention Fable.

Also, I’ve never had Xbox so want to play older franchises too. So, Xbox makes sense to me. Your requirements might be different.

XbSuper,

Haven’t heard of Avowed, and as much as I loved the old Fable games, I have little hope this one will do them justice. Starfield is literally the only reason I am interested in xbox (that may change once I have it, but for now that’s it)

slimerancher,
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

Avowed is Obsidian’s next game. It’s a bit Skyrim like from the trailers, but not as big.

Also, The Outer World 2 is also going to be Xbox exclusive.

But if you don’t care about any of these, then maybe Xbox will be an overkill. Maybe get it and then sell it aftewards, or if you don’t like to sell stuff, maybe ge Series S.

gravitas_deficiency, do xbox w Starfield surpasses 6 million players to become Bethesda's best launch yet, beating Skyrim and Fallout

Elder Scrolls: Spacerim

turbodrooler,

Outer Worlds 0

mojo, do xbox w Starfield surpasses 6 million players to become Bethesda's best launch yet, beating Skyrim and Fallout

Haven’t tried it yet, too many good games came out recently. It’s on my wishlist though so hopefully it goes on Steam sale soon

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