There’re definitely roster updates and other little stuff that gets added and tweaked in the new versions as much as people like to meme about “same game”. The old versions don’t update so that’s how they get new sales. Kinda bullshit but that’s what it is.
PC gets a special short straw though and is the last gen version of the game despite PC being on par or better than the new consoles. 2K knows where they make the money and do the least everywhere else. That part is definite bullshit.
Sports games are one of the few genre where it might make sense as a gaas approach. Make 1 game for the console generation and sell roster updates every year. Add in micro transactions for the dumb stuff and it seem to be a win win all around. The game gets cheaper meaning more people will likely buy it. No one has to complain it's the same game every year because it would be by design. And devs wouldn't have to crunch every year to get the game out.
Totally agree. Shoot, even when I was still buying them I’d wait til they dropped to like $20 mid-season. It’s more of a DLC at that point which makes more sense considering what we get
Many people do. Yes, there are those that buy every year but I genuinely think they are the minority. You gotta think, even if only 1/3 of all the 2k NBA fans buy every three years, that's... still a lot of sales.
Is that really the only important aspect? That it has the NBA or Madden or FIFA brand? Does the actual game not matter at all? Because if so, I think sports gamers made their decision and have no right to complain about it’s results.
It’s the definitive basketball game and objectively does the job when it comes to that. It has its quirks for sure but the popularity speaks for itself. And given the choice, people would rather play as Lebron James as opposed to some random generated Jebron Lames; they want the real thing as seen on TV.
Now, 2K being dicks about having last-gen on PC after so many years. That’s definitely something to complain about and the reviews are deserved.
Wasn’t NBA 2K20’s trailer disliked to hell because it dedicated more time to show off the roulette wheel, pachinko and slots than basketball? That really doesn’t look like the definitive basketball game, dude. Multiplayer seems to work well enough but most of the complaints are over single player features, at least you can play a different game for that aspect.
I didn’t really encounter all that when I played and I stuck to the single player. But I don’t think that detracts from the core concept: 2K is THE basketball game when you ask most any fan or even NBA players. These guys are coming in for face scans and concerned for their in-game rating so yeah, popularity speaks for itself.
That said, the micro transaction stuff is terrible but it’s more of a thing that got slapped onto the game out of greed. I wouldn’t say it defines the game itself. Hence the complaints; mine included.
Blitz the League came out at a different time, Madden was still a beloved series by this point. You have two sports games, both are good, but one of them has the NFL license and the other doesn’t. I wouldn’t fault anyone for looking at Madden as a no brainer in such a situation.
Times have clearly changed, how many times did Angry Joe made videos ripping the Madden of the year into pieces? If the game is really that bad, giving up on the roster seems like a good compromise if it means a good game. But according to Madden players roster comes first, so I don’t know what they are complaining about.
I get that a good sports game that has the players you know and support isn’t much to ask but it’s what it is.
Never met a sports ball fan? This shit isn’t negotiable. Having working multiplayer (last years always get shut down) and up to date accurate rosters is crucial.
EA/2K got these people by the balls because there is no competition due to exclusivity. It’s really fucked up and sad for sports ball fans.
I’m a nba fan though, and I just stopped playing basketball games because I got tired of paying for roster updates. And now monetization is even worse so genre is dead to me. So as a former fan of 2k I don’t understand having to play the games so badly that people keep paying for it every year.
That applies to any game or franchise. If it gets bad enough that I detest it I’d just move on from it even if no option pops up. Especially one so predatory on top of being an annual release.
I just miss the sport games of 10-20 years ago. They were just fun. Of course they weren't perfect but we didn't care. Now microtransactions have ruined everything....
Yeah but every NBA game gets flooded with negative reviews and these people will buy it again next year. It doesn’t matter how many negative reviews it has if it sells well.
I always have a laugh when half of these reviews are “wow guys this poorly rated game that everyone told me is garbage turned out to be garbage. They’re making the same game every year!”, fast forward to them posting the same review next year.
I got Madden 22 for free and for awhile I was enjoying it. It was my first Madden game since the 360. So I start going to forums for the game, and every single post was about how bad the game is, highlighting ridiculous bugs, shitty AI, missing features.
Then details about Madden 23 started to come out and everyone that was tearing 22 apart was absolutely in love with every little thing that was shown.
Man I remember being on the Gamefaqs forums back in like 2005 or so, and people were complaining about this exact scenario back then. Some things never change
It’s honestly a really well polished game and I’ve only had a very small handful of bug encounters. Its less buggy than curent patches of FO4 and Skyrim
My biggest common Bethesda glitches so far was ONCE, one of the NPCs had the white squares attached to her hair and played miss sparkle for our conversation and then the occasional alien getting caught on geometry and then vibrating because the engine didn’t know what to do. Outside of that it’s been remarkably bug-free so far. Oh, I’m 30 hours in too!
Yeah, i found a couple of crates that decided to co exist in the same location as my most bethesda bug so far. I have had 1 quest fail to progress at one point but a quit out and load an earlier autosave fixed that.
Ironically I think BG3 is buggier than Starfield on release.
I’ve experienced a few instances of bethesda jank, but nothing game breaking or even requiring a reload in ~55 hours of play. Just silly things like bodies getting stuck in a ceiling after an explosion. My SO is playing BG3 and has been getting CTD’s and other more egrigious bugs since hitting act 3.
I mean, peak on Steam is still lower than Baldurs Gate 3 daily count after over a month since release. So I don’t think it’s THAT successful, though the numbers are not bad for a single player game.
But for anybody on both game pass and steam, it’s cheaper to just play on game pass. That skews the data quite a bit. I’ll play it for “free” now and then buy it on steam in 5 years on sale if I ever get the inclination.
Not surprised. I’m just trying to decide if I should get an xbox or a steam deck to play it on. Xbox seems like it’ll play it better, but portability is rather enticing.
I have it on PC, and performance is really hit or miss on Steamdeck, so I mostly play on my PC. There are some modded quality presets that help, but in the big cities framerate really dips.
If your options are Xbox or Steamdeck, id go for xbox
I bought a Series S specifically for this game and it plays great. I’m typically a Playstation person, but so far I haven’t picked up a PS5 because the only game I don’t have access to, that I want to play, without a PS5 is FFXVI.
Hmm, if the series s can play it well, that’s probably the direction I’ll go. Portability would be nice, but I wouldn’t use it that often, I’d likely get the tv dock and leave it there for 90% of its life. The series s has the best price point, and would probably serve my needs best
i’ve had the series s since release day and have been beyond happy with it, coming from PC gaming. Haven’t found a game that didn’t run well enough to enjoy with a controller. Even Cyberpunk was great fun.
And you can pick up a used one for under £200, can’t beat that.
Is it JUST for this game? If it is, then it’s fairly even, choose performance or portability. But seriously, get a steam deck, once you realize what an unlock having the entire steam ecosystem in a comfortable portable form factor is, there’s just so many games to enjoy.
I am planning to go for Xbox (actually, I am waiting for Pro version, the activision case brought up that there was plan for PS5 pro soon, so Xbox Series X Pro shouldn’t be far behind). While Starfield is a major reason, there is also Avowed coming up, and I have big hopes for that. Not to mention Fable.
Also, I’ve never had Xbox so want to play older franchises too. So, Xbox makes sense to me. Your requirements might be different.
Haven’t heard of Avowed, and as much as I loved the old Fable games, I have little hope this one will do them justice. Starfield is literally the only reason I am interested in xbox (that may change once I have it, but for now that’s it)
Avowed is Obsidian’s next game. It’s a bit Skyrim like from the trailers, but not as big.
Also, The Outer World 2 is also going to be Xbox exclusive.
But if you don’t care about any of these, then maybe Xbox will be an overkill. Maybe get it and then sell it aftewards, or if you don’t like to sell stuff, maybe ge Series S.
I’m nearing 100 hours in BG3 and absolutely loving it. I’m not even into the full Act 2 yet, still making my way through the act 1 - act 2 transition/passages.
Choices matter, characters matter, story matters… shit is so fun
I’ve got Starfield through gamepass just waiting to go but I’m still trying to get motivated to start…
If it helps, you have to put in some work. The first group of missions for the Freestar Rangers has a dialogue option where you can ask for a promotion and the Marshal laughs in your face and tells you to get back to work. That’s like 5 missions in and 3-4 hours. No taking the faction over in a couple of hours.
I genuinely want to know how many people actually paid for it, and how many people just downloaded it cause we could. Consider this one vote for “cause I could”
Yeah I’m counted in that number because I downloaded it from Gamepass to try it on release day, thought the graphics were terrible (New Atlantis literally looks like an Xbox 360 game lol and I played at native 4K max settings on a 4090 so it wasn’t my settings), the gunplay was kind of crap, and just overall wasn’t super into it. Stopped playing after about 3 hours and bought FF16 which I’ve been playing nonstop and am loving, but I don’t count in FF16’s launch numbers since I waited to buy it. If FF16 was on PS+ I would definitely have counted towards launch numbers for that one…
Seems interesting enough to keep playing. I’m only about 2 hours in since I’ve had the wonderful chance to catch Covid for the first time and have it spread to both my kids.
Not OP, but I’m loving it. 11 hours in and already done a bunch of side quests and exploration. Spent 5 hours or so surveying a planet, building an outpost, and helping some people I came across.
Not op either but 52 hours in: my verdict is basically Typical Bethesda Game. For better or worse with all the quirks and jank you’d expect from Bethesda. Bugs are hit and miss for all platforms, I’ve played only on PC and had 0 crashes anecdotally. Have had some flashing textures, minor physics bugs like with corpses infinitely jittering around if I walk on them. Had my worst bug this AM when I was talking to my companion she wouldn’t stop walking forward and eventually was just walking into a wall the entire time while we were talking. Difficulty is basically non-existent below hard unless you do something really stupid like sit in lines of fire or take a shotgun blast to the face.
I’ve wasted a lot of time pimping my space ship out because despite having some annoying limitations, it’s a lot of fun to basically build a spaceship Lego style. Spent a lot of time building outposts to mine resources for upgrades and doing side quests for Freestar Rangers(like a sort of Wild West Themed Police Force) and the UC Vanguard(like your stereotypical starship troopers government outfit where service=citizenship) because MQL can take a while to pick up. Overall the stories are entertaining if a little stream lined.
Graphics are hit and miss for a variety of reasons, I have been both honestly awe’d by some of the wildlife, mechs/robots, and landscapes while also thinking, especially with close ups on faces, how last gen so many of the NPCs look and the jarring perspective of seeing both in the same scenes.
Combat is just…barebones. Like Skyrim with guns. You have jetpacks sure, variety of melee and ranged weaponry, but if you’ve played any infantry space shooter before you’ve played the combat in Starfield. It can be fun to come up with strats depending on the scenario like assaulting an outlaw cave versus a space out post or using the landscape to your advantage but ultimately it’s just a sort of modern same old same old. You can at least customize your weaponry/armor except for melee weapons(at least so far). Space combat is also decently fun but every ship feels and fights like a space fighter. It makes no sense especially since it kind of defies the sci fi convention, that capital ships don’t fight like tiny space craft.
Just the base game would be a 7.5-8/10 for me, random Lemmy user. It is on a base level a pretty good game but there is some real rough edges game design wise that some people may have difficulty looking past, like space combat not being anywhere as open as they claimed and lots of loading screens.
I had my first personal annoyance with this when I had to grav jump(like warp from star trek or light speed from star wars) from system to system manually to “explore” the path ways to the system I had a quest at. I went through 6 silly loading screens just to unlock the path and nothing of any super interest happened RNG event wise.
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