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kn0wmad1c, do gaming w PlayStation 5 Pro Blog Post
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

Imagine paying $700 for a PS5.5

mtlvmpr,

That’s usually without tax in US, right?

Templa,

Yes.

Fermion,

That’s $700 for a digital only edition without a disk drive or vertical stand. It’s $810 to match the features of the PS5.0

chameleon,
@chameleon@fedia.io avatar

Or 800€...

This whole thing is shaping up to be the PS3's "five hundred and ninety nine us dollars" version 2.

DdCno1,

Adjusted for inflation, that’s $1,082.19, by the way (and they still lost money with every single first-gen PS3 sold).

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Don’t forget the $10-18/mo subscription for the right to play it. And the $60-70/game.

averyminya,

Hey, that’s no fair! You didn’t mention that monthly fee GIVES you FREE games FOREVER!*

*Forever as long as you pay the subscription cost

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

I never uninstalled Disco Elysium and I still can play it even though my subscription ended.

mtlvmpr,

I have some games that I’m sure I didn’t purchase but are not tied to the PS Plus. Maybe it’s a bug?

johntash,

A subscription is required??

B0rax,

To play online, yes. Has been like that for a loooong time on PS

eric5949, do games w PlayStation’s first Remote Play dedicated device, PlayStation Portal remote player, to launch later this year at $199.99

“Let’s charge full on handheld console money for a device that can’t function away from a PS5!”

This should be doa but it’s a PlayStation, it’ll probably sell 30 million.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

I suspect they may have chosen just the right price. People have paid more than this for controllers that don’t come with a screen attached.

SeatBeeSate,

That’s more for enthusiast hardware. People pay $1000 for keyboards, but that doesn’t mean they’ll drop $200 for a remote streaming device.

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

It’s literally the same price as the dualsense edge. You overestimating the capacity for reason among “console enthusiasts”.

SeatBeeSate,

Like I said, I’d consider that enthusiast level hardware. People who game “professionally” or love real flashy things. You can also spend $1000s to make coffee, or get a $10 French press.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

So what’s your point? That people who will pay this price do exist, or that they don’t?

Because now I feel like you’re trying to claim the former, to argue the latter.

SeatBeeSate,

A streaming device is not enthusiast hardware.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Again, I’m confused, are you saying there are people who will buy this, or not?

And that’s a subjective and arbitrary claim. It has no logical merit in arguing for or against whether people will consider this thing worth the price.

SeatBeeSate,

Not, but I think the point has been lost at this point so let’s just move on.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Ok. I was confused because then your argument essentially becomes “there are people who will spend a lot of money on their hobbies and professions due to intense emotional investment, but not on this”.

I agree that the device, based on what we know, is dumb as hell, but I am also pretty sure, that a lot of playstation players will buy, and even enjoy, this thing.

I mean, I use my SteamDeck ten meters from my PC, just so I can play on the sofa instead of an office chair for a bit.

Korkki, do games w An important update on Concord - Being taken offline September 6th, refunds to be issued

Really looks like this game was designed by incompetent suits and marketing teams with the primary goal of turning those millions into more money. The game looked good and didn’t seem to play (totally) awfully either. It just doesn’t stand out or make anybody want to play it, like at all. It really is a another one of those AAA unfinished style over substance tech demos that masquerade as a game that got released into really saturated market at a really bad time, where the competition is usually also free.

Also something, something big capital overtaking creative process is one of the great disasters of our time.

jordanlund, do gaming w Concord is shutting down on September 6.
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

TWO WEEKS! I figured it had 6 to 9 months… but man… + refunds? This is a “sorry, we don’t know why we released this…”

t3rmit3, do gaming w Concord is going offline beginning September 6th

Stop making live service games and “shared world” faux-mmos. If it’s not single player, P2P multiplayer, or providing the server executable for me to host, I’m not buying it. There are already enough good MMOs anyways.

realcaseyrollins,
@realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club avatar

Some of the best FPS games are live service games but it’s because they’re great games at their core. Plenty of companies are focusing on making live service games instead of games so good that they become live services.

t3rmit3,

I loved the first Division game. It had a great community, great gunplay, and prior to the crafting nerf(s) a really good loot/crafting feedback loop. But it could have just as easily been made as a local co-op or self-hosted game. I have yet to encounter a game that can only exist as a live service game, unlike e.g. Eve Online which can only exist as an MMO.

AFallingAnvil,
@AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca avatar

Out of curiosity, what are the good MMOs?

t3rmit3,

for me, Eve Online, ESO, WoW, Mabinogi, FF XIV

apotheotic,

Guild Wars 2!

azerial,

I worked in Star Wars: The Old Republic for ten years. It’s still running and the story is really nice. EA sold it to Broadsword.

AFallingAnvil,
@AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca avatar

You helped develop it?

azerial,

I indeed did. I started working on it as QA and left the project as a software engineer. It was a really fun experience.

edit: I have a lightsaber replica to show for it. Lol

AFallingAnvil, (edited )
@AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca avatar

That’s awesome! Thanks for making an MMO I personally have 500 hours in on steam. It’s actually the MMO that made me open to playing MMOs, I hated the genre before because all I knew was WoW and Korean stuff that’s all walls of bland text and dull repetitive tasks that don’t respect your time.

The stories of SWTOR and full voice acting were something else entirely. I really enjoyed it and have some very fond memories of my first time playing it as a teen years and years ago, it basically absorbed my holiday vacation that year as I found a guild, made friends, got into some RP, and really just found some cool experiences. In a market starving for anything halfway decent that’s star wars I’m glad we have it.

I request lightsaber pictures!

GammaGames,

I also request lightsaber pictures!

azerial,

I am definitely going to share this story with the team. It really touched my heart and I’m sure it will theirs.

I remember when the title went on steam, it was a really big deal.

As for the light saber, lemme look. The box is currently in storage, in it’s original box, neatly packed. I cherish those years.

AFallingAnvil,
@AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca avatar

I actually found it pretty soon after it went free to play, I thought I’d check it out and then BAM I’ve completed all class stories, maxed levels, got into housing decoration, and even have an unhealthy number of alts I’ll definitely get around to playing through again someday.

I remember being so happy it was on steam largely for the auto updates. Seems it’s been a very healthy success since then.

InvertedParallax,

It’s a great mmo because it doesn’t have the grind and time Commitments.

It’s not a 2nd job, it’s just something to do for fun with a good story and atmosphere. It’s what an mmo should be.

papertowels,

It sounds like you’ve already got a curated list of games - what are a few standout multiplayer that you enjoy that meet your criteria?

I’ll start off - when knockout city, an excellent dodgeball “shooter” closed shop, the devs released the server hosting code so the community could still play

t3rmit3,

Multiplayer games that I love, that I can self-host or play P2P?

Project Zomboid, ARK, Grim Dawn, Starbound, Space Engineers, Satisfactory, and Bellwright

I would have included Minecraft Java, but MS went and made it online only recently, where you can’t play at all without signing into their launcher, even singleplayer.

elgordino, do games w An important update on Concord - Being taken offline September 6th, refunds to be issued

Remove from sale. Add more monetisation features. Rerelease as F2P. Cross fingers and hope for best.

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

The Multiversus approach!

simple, do games w God of War Ragnarök is coming to PC on September 19

Give us Demon’s Souls, cowards.

The_Helmet_Stays_On,

And then remake bloodborne

RonnieB, do games w The Last of Us Complete hits PS5 today, physical Collector’s Edition coming July

How many times are they going to release this game

MellowYellow13,

One more, they need 100% complete final edition next

cod,
@cod@lemmy.world avatar

Includes the TV show

Hyphlosion,

& Knuckles

NocturnalMorning, do games w Ghost of Tsushima Director’s Cut PC cross-play and system requirements revealed

Do we really need overlays like this? I’d be fine with just playing the game.

Zahille7,

I don’t know how many different overlays I could have. Like at least 3 or 4. But I couldn’t tell you how to activate most of them besides Steam and Nvidia.

HeyLow, do gaming w PlayStation’s first Remote Play dedicated device, PlayStation Portal remote player, to launch later this year at $199.99

With the price being $200 you might as well spend 120 more to get a refurbished steam deck, install ps remote play on that then you have a handheld that can play ps, Xbox, and pc games on the go without an internet connection.

UnixWeeb, do gaming w PlayStation’s first Remote Play dedicated device, PlayStation Portal remote player, to launch later this year at $199.99
@UnixWeeb@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Waste of money. Why not compete with the switch/steamdeck? Make the remote play an option like you’ve done in the past. A digital ps5 is $400 and the portal is $200. I’m paying $600 and can’t take the device anywhere. Steamdeck starts at $400 and the switch is $300. Hell, I can install remote play on the steam deck and do the same thing the portal does. Sucks this is how sony is getting back into “portable” gaming.

conciselyverbose,

A handheld digital only PS4 could move some units at $200 pretty easily IMO.

theangriestbird,

if it was that easy, we’d have a Switch 2 by this point. The Steam Deck is basically a mini-PS4, and that starts at $400.

conciselyverbose,

The steam deck is significantly more capable than the PS4. Jaguar's CPUs were absolute dogshit when they launched, let along compared to anything Ryzen.

The problem with a switch 2 is nvidia can't make competent CPUs.

theangriestbird,

The steam deck is significantly more capable than the PS4.

Not according to Digital Foundry. In real gaming performance and tuned to PS4-level settings, you’ll see framerates slightly higher than the PS4. Tuned to Xbox Series S settings, you’ll see framerates slightly below the Series S. And all of this is mostly only possible because the Steam Deck only needs to output 720p, which is easier for a GPU than the 900p-1080p that those comparable consoles are usually targeting.

The PS4 CPU was garbage, yes, but that usually didn’t matter because most console games are not very CPU-intensive.

conciselyverbose,

They're only not CPU intensive because the hardware was fucking pathetic and they had no choice. AMD held the entire gaming space back for a decade.

If you're OK with a dumpster fire CPU the cost of chips goes way down.

TheFogan,

also worth going further on library size. There’s twice as many steam deck verified games, than there are ps4 titles. Not counting any titles that work in steam deck but haven’t bothered to be verified.

SuiXi3D, do gaming w Concord is shutting down on September 6.
@SuiXi3D@fedia.io avatar

Meanwhile Destiny 2 keeps trucking right along.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Destiny 2 has the bones of a decent game in there somewhere, it’s just that the devs keep fucking it up.

If it were me, I’d fix it like this:

Split it into 2 games. Story based PvE with paid content, F2P PvP with all the cosmetics, paid currency bullshit.

Allow characters to transfer back and forth at will, but each can be played without the other. Balance weapons independently in both games, so changing a gun for PvE doesn’t fuck up PvP and vice versa.

Restore all the story content removed from PvE. Allow each story mission to be picked from the map like D1 STILL does, and have level markers on them so people can experience the story in logical order.

Sc00ter,

That first part reads as “get rid of everything I don’t like.” I fundamentally disagree and so do the devs. Their core design philosophy was that it was 1 cohesive world. It should stay that way.

They did start balancing weapons between game modes through design. Making perks take kills streaks or rapid kills, or by picking up drops from killing monsters, etc. Things that activate perks that can easily be completed in pve, but not so easily in pvp.

Their biggest problem, frankly, was that they didn’t do d3 or sunsetting anymore. The game got too bloated and unmanageable. You didn’t need new loot to do new activities and they just got stale. I agree they shouldn’t have removed all that content, and the story should be replayable, like in D1… which, had they released a D3, that content probably would have existed in D2 still.

SkyezOpen,

“Turn destiny into call of duty”

Brilliant.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Turn D2 back into D1…

Bookmeat,

You have no idea. As someone who tried to get into d2 not knowing anything about it, I was completely lost. The menu interface is Byzantine. The concept of the game is lost. You have to ask people how to play the thing and what the goals and objectives are because the game is so lousy at helping new players understand it. I gave it a hard pass.

Incidentally, it sounds like you’re describing Elden Ring and DS3.

TheHobbyist, (edited ) do games w An important update on Concord - Being taken offline September 6th, refunds to be issued

The age of DRM means that they can now “unlaunch” the game and force you into a reimbursement while giving up the game. Why? What if someone liked it and wanted to keep playing? is this an online only game? This is just sad.

edit: this is a good time to remind people, if you live in the EU, please support the “Stop Killing Games” initiative, it has just past a third of the required signatures, and has 10 months to go still:

eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It is an online-only game.

UnsavoryMollusk,

So ? We use to have dedicated servers for online only game. There is no technological barrier to continue doing that.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

So the person I responded to asked if it was.

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

And you think it’s cool to just go around answering questions all Willy nilly?

naticus,

I know, how dare they?! Wait, am I allowed to respond in agreement with you???

rustyfish,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

No. No agreeing. Only bitching.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

There is, however, a financial barrier. One that benefits Sony in no way. Clearly no one wants to play this game anyway. Let it die.

Bimbleby,

Done!

Eyck_of_denesle,

Don’t worry. The only people that like the game are the devs and I’m sure they have been playing it for a long time.

squirrelwithnut, do games w Horizon Forbidden West Complete Edition comes to PC on March 21

When’ are we going to get Ghost of Tsushima on PC, Sony?

Batbro,

For real! Hurry up

frazorth,

I had that on Playstation.

The first half was pretty good but the grind to progress get monotonous. It’s like half a poor copy of Uncharted, and half poor Tekan.

Toribor,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

[glances at Bloodborne, cries]

windowsphoneguy, do games w An important update on Concord - Being taken offline September 6th, refunds to be issued
@windowsphoneguy@feddit.org avatar

Could have been a cool single player game

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Could have been a cool split screen and LAN game.

ngwoo,

People can barely find anyone to play with globally over the internet. It wouldn’t work as a lan game.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Any game works as a LAN game. That’s the advantage of being a LAN game. Of course, when you build a game like that, you know not to assume that you’ll always have 10 players in a match, and you build it to scale to that. If they released it with LAN and a deathmatch mode for any number of players, even if they did no rebalancing on the character designs to account for it and the there were obvious top tiers and low tiers, I’d still buy it.

ngwoo,

I’m saying that if there aren’t enough players to sustain a multiplayer game globally you’re not going to find people to play with locally.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

And I’m saying that if you throw in a quick deathmatch mode, it’s playable with only one friend. And when a game has LAN, that means that you can play with a gaming VPN regardless of the presence of official servers.

radix,
@radix@lemmy.world avatar

Gameboy Advance had single-pak link (buy one copy, play with up to 4 linked devices) 20 years ago.

Greed has defeated the technology, though.

GuerillaGorillas,

That’s what I thought it was going to be from the initial trailer, but then seeing it was yet another hero shooter made me lose all interest.

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