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McArthur, (edited ) w Dusk: Unpopular opinion: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly

Competition sounds great, so long as it has all of the following:

  • Something better than steam input and the steam controller.
  • Something better than steam vr.
  • Something better than steam workshop.
  • something better than proton
  • Something better than steams friends/chat/activity interface.
  • Something better than the steam overlay.
  • Something better than big picture.
  • Absolutely no exclusives, and no deals forcing developers to use it.
  • A nicer store interface than valve, with better community pages, curator pages, discussion pages, etc.
  • An equivalent to steam fest with a strong demo scene.
  • Something better than remote play together

This is of course also ignoring just how efficient, clean, customisable and ergonomic the steam interface is compared to all competition

Oh wait! That doesn’t exist. All we need is some way to guarantee valve doesn’t become public.

JowlesMcGee,
@JowlesMcGee@kbin.social avatar

Not to mention family sharing. I'm not sure of another PC store front that does the same, but it's been a bit help with my friends in being able to show games to each other and letting us try things before buying, similar to sharing discs back in the day.

Duxon,

… And Steam Remote Play.

Imotali,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget that mods often don’t play nice with games off steam

AnyOldName3,
@AnyOldName3@lemmy.world avatar

It kind of doesn’t, though. Because you can still launch non-Steam games through Steam, and activate retail Steam keys without Valve taking a cut, there are plenty of ways for things to compete against the Steam Store without needing to also compete against the Steam launcher.

XTornado,

All we need is some way to guarantee valve doesn’t become public.

I am hoping for aperture science to find a immortality solution for Gabe.

neokabuto,

I think we need some Australium instead. GabeOS will put neurotoxin in the next Steam Deck.

XTornado,

Oh I see I see… that’s why they made current air vent smell so enticing, so when they release it we all go to smell it.

Chailles,
@Chailles@lemmy.world avatar

So is it going to be GAbEOS or Gabe Johnson?

Chailles,
@Chailles@lemmy.world avatar

You don’t even need all of that really. A lot of Steam functionality can be utilized just by adding it as a Non-Steam Game. Steam Workshop isn’t the necessary if you have a modding scene, you just need a good mod manager.

The key point on whether I’ll use your storefront or not is whether your plan for success is to buy out anti-Steam contracts (remember that it’s not exclusivity to EGS, its to not release on Steam) to get customers and low revenue cuts to get developers and most importantly, to run a loss leading business for a number of years until you are profitable. If EGS were to ever become profitable, how long until they switch to squeezing out as much as they can? They’ve already rescinded their “curated” catalog.

gamer, (edited )

This is not a good way to look at it. Competition is good regardless. It doesn’t matter how good Valve is today, if a viable competitor comes out, Valve will be forced to get better in order to compete.

All we need is some way to guarantee valve doesn’t become public.

This is wrong. Valve can enshittify without going public. If you think that public corporations are the only ones that are greedy/evil/anti-consumer, then you’ve never heard of the “private equity” industry. Look up the recent fight between the FTC and U.S. Anesthesia Partners in Texas for a clear example.

In capitalism, free market forces are what keep tug of war between produces and consumers fair, and competition is the fuel that keeps those free market forces moving. The fact that the Valve of today is both good and a monopoly is just a temporary rounding error/outlier. Over time, Valve will go to shit and consumers will suffer simply because Valve has almost no competition. This isn’t a question, it’s a fact of the mechanism of the economic system they exist in. It’s like gravity; just because you haven’t hit the floor yet doesn’t mean jumping off that building was a good idea.

Epic games, whether you hate them or not, is fighting the good fight. They are doing shitty things (exclusivity, etc), so maybe they aren’t the chosen one who will take challenge Valve, but they are on the right side of that fight. Hoping that Valve will stay great forever is foolish.

…but I will add that I don’t think Epic alone should be trying to take down Valve. Valve is way too entrenched in this market to be taken down with any realistic competition (probably why Epic is resorting to exclusivity deals). The FTC needs to step in and regulate the market. Idk what that would look like, but it’s possible to do it in a way that makes everyone happy. For example (off the top of my head, so probably flawed but whatever) the FTC could enforce interoperability between digital marketplaces so that consumers don’t need to install 30 different launchers to access their purchased libraries. That relatively small change could lower the bar to entry for competitors by a lot, and not be a burden to consumers at the same time. EDIT: and it would not be anything drastic like forcing a break up of Valve.

SRo,

What a shittake

Tranus,

“hmm… a well thought out, reasoned response. But I disagree! How should I express my opinion effectively, to both this person and others who wander by?”

What a shittake

“Ah, yes. My masterpiece. Everyone must see this.”

Seasm0ke,

Its funny how you credit the invisible hand of free market forces to keep things fair but acknowledge everywhere else that the only thing that actually intervenes to promote fairness is the FTC as government regulatory body.

If we could drop the obvious bullshit romanticism of capitalism this would be a mostly accurate post.

gamer,

Found the tankie lol

Unregulated capitalism doesn’t work. I don’t think anyone has ever seriously claimed that it does. The FTC isn’t the only thing keeping the market fair, the free market does that on its own. When a company does a shitty thing, they lose customers and die. That’s true in pretty much every market in the real world, except for a few problematic ones where there are bad actors trying to cheat the system.

Seasm0ke,

Plenty of people claim that it does. That is the entire ideological premise you invoke with the free market fetishism (laissez faire, Chicagoan school, Austrian economics) the “free market” means free to exploit consumers, not free to choose. Consumers do not have enough capital to afford any meaningful check against corporate snake oil. This over simplistic narrative youre spinning doesn’t match up with the track record.

Also, you don’t have to be an authoritarian communist to know that the free market is a crock of shit. Anybody with the ability to look at the past few hundred years would know Friedman hayek rothbard and most all libertarians are absolutely full of shit or just plain misguided

Imotali,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

Anti-capitalist ≠ tankie

In fact Communist ≠ tankie

Tankies are specifically defenders of Marxist-Leninist communism and their one party state rule (which is ironically not communism, it’s Stalinism which is a form of autocratic socialism)

gamer,

Sure, but

  • Lemmy == Lots of tankies
  • Tankies == Anticapitalist

So I operate on the assumption that anticapitalist people on Lemmy are tankies. It’s not true in all cases ofc, but without more info, I think that’s a safe default.

That dude calling my post “bullshit romanticism of capitalism” gives a bit more confidence that they’re a tankie with a strong case of grassphobia.

Seasm0ke,

Great example of oversimplification and reaching for conclusions that reinforce your bias. An effective way to shield yourself from valid criticism or any self reflection is to automatically discredit the person who brings it to your attention, whether its true or not is of little importance right?

Imotali,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

Lemmy is not full of tankies, yours truly a communist.

And your post was free market romanticism.

weeahnn,
@weeahnn@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, but

  • Beer == Germans
  • Germans == Fascists

So I operate on the assumption that German people on Lemmy are Fascists. It’s not true in all cases ofc, but without more info, I think that’s a safe default.

And before you call my flawless reasoning stupid… I don’t really have anything to say.

gamer,

logic error on line 2: Beer == Germans

Beer does not equate to Germans, rather Germans equate to Beer. If we fix that error, then it doesn’t fit the original pattern:

  • Germans == Beer
  • Germans == Fascists

That would only work if Beer == Fascists, which of course is not true.

Also, wrong does not equal stupid, rather stupid equals wrong. Which is to say, you comment is wrong, but not necessarily stupid.

CommanderM2192,

Epic games, whether you hate them or not, is fighting the good fight. They are doing shitty things (exclusivity, etc), so maybe they aren’t the chosen one who will take challenge Valve, but they are on the right side of that fight. Hoping that Valve will stay great forever is foolish.

My dude… If you’re doing shitty things, you are in fact not “fighting the good fight”. if anyone is doing that it’s someone like GOG.

gamer,

I meant that they’re fighting Valve, which is “the good fight”. They’re not the only ones doing it, and they’re definitely not the best ones doing it, but they’re doing it. If they do manage to take a big chunk out of Valve’s marketshare somehow, that will be good for everyone, even people who decide to stay on Steam.

Imotali,
@Imotali@lemmy.world avatar

No they permanently lost claim to “fighting the good fight” when they literally bundled their software with malware.

McArthur,

Apologies for the confusion when I said to stop preventing steam becoming public. I was just too lazy to write something along the lines of defining some kind of perpetual way to prevent the downfall of steam. Ideally it becomes an open source utopia tomorrow… but that’s not exactly realistic for a game store or as a business decision by valve and without people beying able to fork it we are never safe.

CoderKat,

All of the following? Why would you need to be better in every way? There’s a perfectly valid use case for trade offs. Eg, let’s say some competitor had exclusives, no VR, the store interface was a little worse, and it was only roughly comparable on many other points. If it’s simply faster and more lightweight, that’s its competitive advantage. Or if it focuses on being open source and DRM free like GoG, that’s a competitive advantage.

Expecting something to be better in every way (than something with a massive head start) or else it might as well not exist? That’s just unreasonable. I don’t require a clothing store to be better than Walmart to shop there. I mean, the clothing store doesn’t even sell fruit! Why would anyone shop there when you can go to the Walmart and buy some grapes with your jeans?

Jakeroxs,

Except these aren’t two different kinds of stores, they’d both be gaming marketplaces and if one has better features in every regard… Why use the inferior one at all?

McArthur,

If It’s not better in every way why would I swap? I’ll just keep using steam. The only selling point you could use to get me to swap is the promise of feature parity with steam and open source. I would support that even if it hurt a lot along the way, but I doubt it will happen.

thecrotch,

Don’t let perfection be the enemy of good

herrvogel,

It can’t exist. You can’t launch a new competitor to a mature and well-developed platform and hope to come anywhere near its feature set right off the bat. That’s never gonna happen, especially when a lot of the “requirements” you presented there are expensive shit that takes years of hard work to develop. You’re gonna have to give them time. And money, as it happens. They’re not gonna be able to develop that VR you present as a requirement if everybody refuses to use their platform because there is no VR. It’s a catch 22.

McArthur,

I’d be happy to support any kind of platform aiming to do these things even if it doesn’t have them yet, so long as it was open source or had some kind of structure that prevented enshitification. I’d contribute, probably force myself to use it where possible much like I do with other things. The issue is that the current competition trying to do what steam does (epic) is just trying to do it but worse.

Honytawk,

Then they should be able to use the same tactics Valve used in the beginning.

But then you Valve fanboys start to cry when specific software requires you to install the Epic store? Which Valve did before.

JackbyDev, (edited )

Something better than steam workshop.

Maybe Nexus Mods’ third mod manager will be better than the first two? lol.

McArthur,

As soon as it has linux support for more than wow… people praise valve for proton lots but workshop has also done so much for Linux nmodding which is otherwise a nightmare.

HeyJoe, w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs

As someone who has played the game from day 1, and almost every day since, it’s a shame that this game that already is on auto drive will be crippled even further. If you have a bunch of friends who just wanna chat and don’t wanna play something competitive it fills all those roles.

I guess we should expect even less changes and content going forward… I know the level creation was just created to allow the community to provide free content so I wonder what else they can do to continue this or if the game will just die off.

greedytacothief, w Counter-Strike 2 - Launch Trailer

I’ll be honest, it’s taken me like all day to realize people weren’t talking about cs:go

Daefsdeda,

Same tho. Was so confused why people called csgo cs2

Zoboomafoo, w US FTC Revives Microsoft-Activision Deal Challenge
@Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world avatar

This is the second big swing I’ve seen the FTC take in the last few days, indicative of a change or coincidence?

Whirlybird, (edited )

This isn’t a new swing, this is a last ditch effort. They’ve already been absolutely embarrassed in court over this case, basically laughed out.

FTC: Microsoft owning COD will give them a monopoly!!! Poor sony will be run out of business!!! Won’t somebody think of Sony!!!

Sony: nah we’re good even if we lose COD. We don’t think they would take it from us anyway because we make them the most money.

All other publishers: Nah this deal is great for us as if they did take cod away it makes it easier for us to sell our games.

Nintendo: this deal is great for us as we’ll now get more games for our players.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

No lol. Sony was crying as well.

Whirlybird,

They were and they weren’t. They literally said they don’t think Microsoft would make COD exclusive like the FTC were saying they would, and that they would be absolutely fine if Microsoft were to buy them and make all games exclusive, unlike the ftc said, but they wanted to stop the deal because of course they do, Microsoft are a competitor.

I’m saying that even Sony disagreed with the FTCs reasons for challenging the acquisition.

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

This is the FTC under Lina Khan; she’s definitely not an ally to the tech giants

NightAuthor,

This is what I’m hearing too, but I’m skeptical. Someone in government, fighting against corporations on behalf of the people?!

Whirlybird,

This case shows she’s not fighting on behalf of the people though, but on the behalf of other corporations - Sony specifically. Their entire argument was how it would hurt sony. They basically didn’t mention the consumers at all lol. It was a complete joke. At least the CMA and EU had concerns, however weak they were, around competitiveness in the cloud market which could hurt consumers.

Whirlybird,

Correct, but unfortunately she’s not a big fan of picking her battles well either.

It’s all well and good to “go after big tech”, but you should only go after them when you’ve got a leg to stand on, otherwise you’re going to be made to look stupid by the ludicrously highly paid big tech lawyers. Under khan the FTC has lost almost everything they’ve tried, and most of the times you could take 1 look at their case and know they had no chance in hell.

The Microsoft/ABK case is a perfect example. There’s no lt even the slightest hint of a monopoly or anti-competitive behaviour. Then the ftc basically made their entire argument about poor old market leader Sony potentially being hurt.

Whoever advised them of their strategy in this case should have their credentials stripped. Who thought fighting for the market leader to maintain their dominance and to keep last place in last place was the angle they should take? They’re supposed to look out for consumers and competition, but this case did the opposite.

Aurenkin, (edited ) w $600 Million And A Decade Later, Where Is Star Citizen

This article leaves a lot to be desired imo. Some of the stuff in here you can see is incorrect just from launching into the main menu of the game.

Here is my personal take on Star Citizen as someone who’s been following the project from the beginning:

If it’s something that interests you, you should wait for a free fly weekend and try it out. The game is far from done but it’s fleshed out enough now that you can have fun if it’s your thing. If you think it’s not worth buying, don’t buy it. Then you can come back on the next free weekend to check it out again and see the progress.

Everything else is just noise. Yes the game has raised a lot of money, yes there has probably been mismanagement and development has been slow. Yes there’s still a ways to go before feature completeness.

TLDR: Who cares. Go play it if it’s your thing and have fun, or don’t and just forget about it until they hit 1.0 sometime who knows when.

entropicshart,

People who paid money expecting the promised timelines instead of useless feature creep, care very much. In fact people cared so much that CIG changed the user agreement to no longer allow refunds.

They took a stupid amount of money from people all while promising timelines that were never kept, and a game that I doubt will ever see completion before bankruptcy.

They need to stop throwing money and precious development time on minuscule features when their alpha can barely run on modern hardware without taking 10min to load and crashing shortly thereafter.

I hope that I am wrong about SC and the game does come out some day, because I will absolutely love the game in stable form; but the last few years have been painting a very grim picture of SC’s future

Cypher,

Fun fact, the user agreement doesn’t mean anything in Australia. Australian’s can get a refund any time they want because legally we cannot sign away our rights.

I got a refund a while back after I discussed this point, and my grievances with their broken promises, delivery failures and increasingly hostile sales tactics with RSIs (at the time) Director of Player Retention, Will Leverett.

Aurenkin,

Yeah, that’s fair enough. I think they should definitely give refunds to folks but that’s also the risk you take with backing a project. I’ve had plenty of disappointment with backing games, I don’t consider SC in that category but I can definitely understand people who do.

entropicshart,

Of course, I’ve had my share of starts go tits up; but we are talking about 600m and a company that is still actively trying to sell more.

Kaldo,
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

If they give me a refund I will stop caring, until then you don't really get to say 'who cares, forget about it for another decade'. I paid money for a product that still doesn't exist and is more than 8 years overdue, and that's even without getting into the discussion about whether the PU is worth it or not - where is sq42?

magic_lobster_party,

People paid money because they were promised a finished game by 2014. It’s still nowhere near finished. It hasn’t had an estimated release date for years.

Sure, if you enjoy the game at its current state, fine. No one should take that joy away from you.

baggachipz,

This article was the same paragraph over and over. “Lot money, lot time, no game, please say date.” I didn’t really learn anything about the situation or controversies.

WrittenWeird,

Welcome to modern “journalism”.

Empricorn,

Well, I don’t think it was written by a “journalist”. It was probably written by AI, at least in part…

o0joshua0o, w Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 builds on accessibility in previous titles and introduces new features

Insomniac has really raised the bar for accessibility features. Even though I don’t necessarily need them, I love that these same features give me the ability to tweak so many aspects of the gameplay to my liking.

iamtrashman1312,

Hear hear, games finally catching on and giving me the ability to turn off screenshake was a godsend

InEnduringGrowStrong, w Creative Assembly faces potential layoffs
@InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works avatar

Gaming studio not as profitable as pachinco machines, requires squeezing to extract short term shareholder value.
Just leaving Sega’s stock price here
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/d10e97e9-dfe3-4948-86f7-499d2d49838a.webp

Their net annual profit is also up


<span style="color:#323232;">2023 45.9b JPY
</span><span style="color:#323232;">2022 37.03b JPY
</span><span style="color:#323232;">2021 1.2b JPY
</span><span style="color:#323232;">2020 13.7b JPY
</span><span style="color:#323232;">2019 2.6b JPY
</span>

While Sega has had problems, 2023 is still a record year for them.

switches, w War Thunder user leaks restricted military documents for AH-64D Apache Longbow
@switches@kbin.social avatar

i feel like every military needs to go through their personnel and fire every war thunder player on principle at this point. like come on.

gibmiser,

Security clearance red flag

HarkMahlberg,
@HarkMahlberg@kbin.social avatar

My pet theory is that the military uses the war thunder forums as a honeypot to catch leakers.

BruceTwarzen,

Isn't that the general theory?

Blackmist, w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs

I played it obsessively for the first season and got pretty decent at it.

The second season started, I got disconnected from my first four games about 3 rounds into each. Played it once more on the day that you could cheese the Infallible achievement by running Hoverboard Heroes over and over.

Never played it again. Certainly never touched it since it went “free”.

gusgalarnyk, w US FTC Revives Microsoft-Activision Deal Challenge

Large Corporate mergers are almost always bad. We should be breaking up companies right now, not letting them combine!

sneezy, w $600 Million And A Decade Later, Where Is Star Citizen

I mean, it’s an obvious scam. Always has been. They only have a few tech demos, and bunch of polished marketing material. There’s nothing to actually release.

HolyDuckTurtle,
@HolyDuckTurtle@kbin.social avatar

I do not believe it to be an outright scam. However, it is horribly managed and I do consider the funding model to be predatory.

The whole "pledge" store should not be a thing at this stage IMO. It's just a cash shop they can justify huge prices with. It's actively contributed to the scope creep by introducing new vehicle roles, which they sometimes admit to not having designed gameplay for yet. Nor does it currently tell you if you can actually rent or buy the ship in-game (subject to progress wipes). Heck, the closest thing to a scam they've had recently was a "new starter bundle" of in-game gear that you lose upon your first death / unrecoverable body. This is a game where 80% of your deaths are to bugs or unintuitive behaviour.

They also keep trying to change their standards to match modern games. Ships have gone through multiple reworks which take months for a single ship. A sensible dev would lock that in and commit to releasing under those standards. It's been pointed out that with the current rate of progress, they'll still be releasing currently announced ships into the 2030s.

That's not even mentioning the single player component, Squadron 42, which got indefinitely delayed a few years back before a major demo showcase which never materialised. Supposedly, it's been scrapped and re-done more than once.

Their last big chance to show they've pulled things together is going to be the upcoming CitizenCon (yes, it has one) where they'll supposedly be making a big Squadron 42 announcement. A former customer service employee, who recently criticised the company's spending practices, claimed they'd taken a much more serious approach to the scope creep and that we'd see some results of that towards the end of this year.

I'm not holding my breath though. They've been known to create bullshit for presentations before (e.g the infamous sand worm) and I absolutely would not be surprised if Chris Roberts feels pressured to one-up Starfield.

As a side note, does anyone else get the impression this article was written by an AI? It repeatedly lists of buzzword features, like the Hangar module which hasn't been relevant for years, and barely discusses what the game is actually like.

arc,

The fanbois have obviously found this story and voting down the people saying how obvious the grift was/is.

I wonder how many other space sim genre games that conspicuously did not hand out the begging bowl, or squander all their money and were actually delivered have happened in the time that Star Citizen hasn’t. Being generous the best that can be said is the project is just badly mismanaged. At worst, and more realistically, much of that money just got siphoned away to fund lifestyles. Maybe the devs know they can run this grift for as long as their people stupid enough to keep funding them, knowing they’ll never have to actually deliver on their promises.

Hovenko, w Yes, Phantom Liberty and patch 2.0 really are Cyberpunk 2077's 'last big updates' and it's finally time to start the sequel, director confirms
@Hovenko@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

See you in 15 years

NOPper, (edited )

It may run properly on mid tier NVidia cards by then!

favrion, w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs
@favrion@lemmy.world avatar

I remember the 29 days when Fall Guys was relevant.

Cypher,

The four days before cheating became rampant were amazing

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

Wait… was it a leap year this year? 🤔

heavy, w Remedy says its Max Payne remakes are ‘a big, big project’

I think Max Payne 3 was really well done. I definitely wouldn’t mind if the previous titles were elevated to that quality or above.

natarey, w Meta Quest 3: New Mixed Reality VR Headset

They can release as many headsets as they want — they’re still Facebook and they can still get all the way fucked.

llii,

Yeah, that’s really unfortunate. I’m in the market for a new VR headset, but I won’t give Facebook my data.

Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow,

Where the fuck is Index 2

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