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haloduder, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

I’m voting for Donald Trump because of Collective Shout.

Since neither candidate represents the working class and all we have is a culture war, I’m going to fight back against censorship wherever I can.

All of the people on the left pushing censorship and attacking freedom of speech are directly responsible for driving me further to the right.

SmilingSolaris,

Upset about conservatives and their puritanical practices. Votes for puritanical conservatives. What, do you think because he fucks kids he will allow your gooner game?

haloduder,

Useful idiots on the left are the only ones attacking freedom of speech, saying its a dogwhistle.

Useful idiots on the left are the only ones trying to control narratives by controlling what information people are allowed to share.

SmilingSolaris,

My brother in Christ they are a self proclaimed anti queer conservative organization. Do you want to be right? Do you care if you’re correct or not? Or do you want to blame everything on the ghosts in your head?

rmrf,

Ah yes, because the left wing is famous for the proliferation of requiring a government issued ID to use the internet in ways that make them uncomfortable.

pahlimur,

You are one of the worst cucks I’ve ever seen. Go read this guy’s comment history, holy shit.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

But the people on the right are also pushing for censorship. You’re just choosing what flavour of censorship.

In America you don’t have any other parties with more moderate idealogies either. It’s either the one or the other.

So before you go voting for a literal criminal as the opposition, why not first burn down your shitty system and rebuild something better.

haloduder,

The people on the right aren’t censoring me for disagreeing with them.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

You’re really not paying attention, then. Because that’s exactly what they’re doing.

haloduder,

Where? I can say whatever I want on 4chan, but I come to any of the liberal social media sites and get banned for disagreeing with the crowd.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Sure buddy. Let’s just ignore Twatter and Facebook like that.

TerdFerguson,

Freedom of speech is not the same thing as "freedom from consequences for saying something idiotic’

pahlimur,

You aren’t being banned. You’re are being fact checked, cuck.

FlyingCircus,

Collective Shout is a conservative organization you numbskull.

haloduder,

So that means the left isn’t censoring me as much as the right?

FlyingCircus,

Tbh liberals love censorship as much as conservatives (see the proscription of Palestine Action in the UK).

But it’s a bit silly saying you are going to vote for a conservative because a conservative group is censoring you.

haloduder,

These are Australian conservatives, they don’t value freedom of speech as much as American conservatives.

They are willing to abuse censorship to push their agendas, just like American liberals.

FlyingCircus,

You know that American conservatives have been banning books from libraries, and banning topics like racism and homophobia from being talked about in schools, right? American conservatives love censoring anything they don’t agree with. They are the original snowflakes.

I suspect your butt is just chapped because you can’t drop a hard “r” on BlueSky.

13igTyme,

You’re a good example of the average dumbass American.

SmilingSolaris,

Hi. Texas conservatives in Houston took over the city schools and removed libraries to create a prison inside the school itself. Fuck you and your talks of censorship. You don’t know censorship and think the conservacucks don’t do it because they ain’t targeting your white cis heterosexual ass. You have no opinion worth censoring because your just that white bread bland.

simsalabim,

I guess only in a country that is so far leaning on the right thinks that liberals are “on the left”.

FlyingCircus,

Well that’s why I didn’t say “leftists.” But if we’re continuing to be honest, leftist governments also censor. I don’t think you can find any ideology that doesn’t censor, actually.

MithranArkanere,

Collective Shout is a conservative, forced-birth anti-trans sex-nagative women-patronizing christian organization masquerading as feminist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Tankard_Reist

They call themselves “feminist” but they are as “feminist” as the guys who finally allowed women to drive in Saudia Arabia.

BipolarSilence,

This is what we call ragebait! There’s too much going on in the news to even bother with this type of ‘person’.

haloduder,

Not really. You don’t like what I have to say, so you’re trying to get me censored by crying ‘ragebait.’

You’re another example of why censorship on the left drives people further to the right.

I’m going to block you now since I can tell you need the last reply.

13igTyme,

That’s some strong protection. You’ve spent the last hour getting the last word in on everyone replying to you.

5too,

That’s not censorship. That’s just social consequences.

CromulantCrow,

Don’t feed the trolls.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy,

Voting for Donald Trump in which election?

He’s on his last legal term

Atomic,

I’m sorry. Did you just say you want to vote Trump because you think they’re against censorship? The guy that threatens journalists, and politicians that report or say bad things about them. Do you not think that’s censorship?

I don’t even have a bone in this fight. I just want to understand the thought process.

waterSticksToMyBalls,

Censorship means different things to different people. For those on the left censorship means suppression of liberal ideas, suppression of journalism exposing corruption and brutality, suppression of peoples history. For those on the right censorship means they can’t say the n word anymore.

Would you care to guess what censorship means to haloduder?

Atomic,

No don’t want to guess. I’d rather ask him directly instead of making assumptions.

JcbAzPx,

You mean the guy that is president right now, while this is happening, that is doing nothing about it because he’s too busy dealing with his pedophile rape escapades becoming public knowledge?

Railing5132,

Not to mention: the guy that can’t run for president again (yet)

8000gnat,

reddthat please please add a downvote option

big_slap,
reksas, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

since they deny it, then everyone should just revert whatever was done to censor stuff.

surph_ninja, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network.

As Valve correctly points out, this is a blatant & outright lie. They have cut off any number of legal entities over pressure from politicians or groups. Now they have to own it.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

I mean, their own Rule 5.12.7 has that “or” in it, which includes transactions that are fully lawful but “may damage the goodwill of the corporation”.

Atomic,

You will find such language pretty much everywhere. And there are reasons for it. A good example are certain drugs that are technically not illegal. Because they have not been officially classified yet.

That used to be a thing here in Sweden some time ago, where they’d just change some little compound and could technically, legally sell it online until it was deemed otherwise. Because it’s now technically a new formula. Once it was classified, they just repeated the proceas.

MasterCard might not want to be seen as an enabler in the drug trade. So while it’s technically legal. They don’t want anything to do with it. And would like the option to take action.

And according to the articles. It’s not MasterCard pointing to that regulation, but the processors. As MasterCard notes. They’re not a bank, they’re not processing your payment. They just provide the technology to do so.

Furthermore. I’m quite amazed that people seem to think Valve is this really good company that we can all trust and take their word on. Valve says one thing. MasterCard says another. I wouldn’t take either one of them on just their word. Better to take a step back, and see how it develops so you don’t make yourself a useful idiot.

merdaverse, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

“Mastercard did not communicate with Valve directly, despite our request to do so,” Valve’s statement sent over email to Kotaku reads. “Mastercard communicated with payment processors and their acquiring banks. Payment processors communicated this with Valve

This whole thing reads like a telephone game where nobody wants to take any responsibility.

bryndos,

At work when no one wants to pick up a task, I issue the "slopey shoulders" award.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mrmen/images/1/15/Mr_cheeky1.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20170519093913

rozodru,

they did the exact same thing in the porn industry. naturally Visa and MC didn’t communicate directly with the individual porn companies. So thats’ how places like CCBill and what have you took off. and then Visa and MC laid out their weird rules to CCBill who then passed it along to the individual companies.

MITM0, (edited )
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

CollectiveShout did take responsibility & they’re Confirmed to be pedos, so what are we waiting for ?

Passerby6497,

Honestly, I don’t care if MasterCard doesn’t want to take responsibility. It was their rule and their intermediaries that caused the situation and they did not intervene when valve tried to reach out directly.

They are responsible through action or inaction, no matter how they try to deny it.

5too,

It seems like, if they’re publicly denying responsibility, Steam and Itch now have legal cover to restore everything.

I’m not a lawyer, etc. etc., but don’t public statements from these kinds of entities inform how these clauses can be enforced?

NONE_dc, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
@NONE_dc@lemmy.world avatar

Collective Shout says it wasn’t their fault, MC and Visa say it wasn’t their fault, Steam and Itch say it wasn’t their fault. Conclusion? No one is to blame! No one did it! What’s more, it didn’t even happen!! it was all a figment of our imagination!

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

Gee golly I accidentally dropped internet privacy into the garbage and almost threw it out with the trash. Oops didnt mean to! Silly me.

Microw,
@Microw@piefed.zip avatar

I mean, PayPal has not denied responsibility so far. Which is pretty interesting

NONE_dc,
@NONE_dc@lemmy.world avatar

They must be like the guy who is involved in the mischief but since he is not as visible as the others, he pretends that the issue is not with him to see if he gets away with it.

5too,

Which sounds to me like Steam and Itch could restore everything. Unless MC/Visa wants to publicly say they can’t?

Itdidnttrickledown, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

We have seen the same behavior out of the credit card companies before. Its pretty clear that they do pressure companies to remove content they don’t approve of. Its censorship and its legal since the companies are not the government. They are just tied in at a high level to the banking industry. Its a good example of how lack of regulation harms both creators and consumers.

It lets a bunch of poorly adjusted individuals force their personal mental problems on us all.

haloduder,

Taking away our freedom of speech is something to go to war over.

If this trend of giving all the government power to companies continues, well, let’s just say I’m glad we have the 2nd amendment to fight back against tyranny.

I’m not going to live in a reddit cuck-world without a fight.

haloduder, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

So much fucking censorship and agenda-pushing on the internet.

It makes me sick how many useful idiots are being herded like sheep just to satisfy those with more money than them.

UltraGiGaGigantic, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

I guess turn the boobs butts and dicks up to 10,000 then. In every game.

Its time for Gordon freeman to do unholy things with a headcrab!

samus12345,
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kinther,
@kinther@lemmy.world avatar

Oh god why did you have to put that image in my head. No wonder it hides in the vents

Appoxo,
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Grizzlyboy, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

I love how this has damaged Mastercards brand much more than anything Valve sells. MC would rather pressure Valve for selling NSFW games, than clean up billionaires buying and trafficking children.

BarbecueCowboy,

Mastercard is living the corporate dream. They’ve colluded their way to a near monopoly and don’t have to care about the value of their brand. They just have to be invisible enough that they don’t pull heat for something or other from various governments.

PlzGivHugs, (edited ) do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Tl;dr: Mastercard says they didn’t “force” Valve to remove nsfw games. Tery just told them that if they didn’t remove the games that were complained about by Collective Shout, they’ll block them.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Couldn’t they just block collective shout thus probably losing far less business?

PlzGivHugs,

Mastercard? Yes, but then they’d have to admit that they were in the wromg.

HarkMahlberg,
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Unless MC and Visa are run by people who already agree with Collective Shout and are just using them as an excuse to enforce this policy.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t they have shareholders though?

HarkMahlberg,
@HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth avatar

If they do, that includes them. Decision makers at all levels, nobody gets to say "hey I didn't make Mastercard act this way." Because the status quo would have been to carry on processing video game payments, even in the face of a minority faction like Collective Shout.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

You’d expect them to put profits above this kind of petty consideration. That would only be valid if the company was owned by a fairly small group.

CameronDev, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Ok furry artists, you know what to do, I wanna see the filthiest Visa x MasterCard art you can dream off. Payment process me baby

puppycat,

not furry but someone already made mastercard-chan and visa-kun

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/f1bacfe8-6ec4-4718-90ed-e2193555fa35.webp

CameronDev,

Thats hot. And I am going to assume this is canon from now on.

Dreaming_Novaling, (edited )

Is this Merryweathery? I swear he’s always the one doing these gijinkas (Internet Explorer-chan, Twitter-chan, Switch-chan, etc.)

Edit: Just me or does Mastercard-chan have a bulge? Cause like… yes please…

puppycat,

it is!

Dreaming_Novaling,

Figured lol, he’s the usual culprit for any cute gijinka of a current trend.

nutsack,

no don’t do it

Vupware,

No, seriously, why don’t we bombard every customer service line with payment processor themed smut?

Phone sex,

Sex gifs,

Those geeek sculptures,

Etc

TheGreenWizard, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

So obviously somebody is lying. I really don’t understand why Valve or Itch would be the ones lying about this. My money is on the group of self righteous censorship soldiers with too much time on their hands, and the payment companies. I could always be wrong I though.

Rose,

Not necessarily. Valve says they haven’t heard from Mastercard directly. Is there evidence of Itch.io having been approached at all? It seems to me that they just made the move to delist and investigate to be safe in the wake of Valve’s rule changes.

rumba,

MasterCard is so big they don’t even know what all their departments are doing. The PR department probably asked a couple of the top level execs if they were pushing for this and they said no so they claimed it didn’t happen.

GreenKnight23,

MasterCard knows exactly what they’re doing.

executive leadership is varying degrees of Christian nationalist and trump supporters.

source: me, I know people.

gandalf_der_12te,

they’re blaming it on the middle men

In a statement to Kotaku, a spokesperson for Valve said that while Mastercard did not communicate with it directly, concerns did come through payment processor and banking intermediaries.

angrystego, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Isn’t every game NSFW? Funny how language works.

bryndos,

Are you suggesting "professional gamer" is not a real/worthwhile job?

Natanael,

It’s like being a miner, the job isn’t safe for work

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

Don’t dig straight down

fishy,

I only have about 20ish hours of work weekly and I’m on a hybrid schedule. My two days at home I’m essentially paid to game since I need to be available but don’t have anything to do. Am I a pro gamer now?

ipkpjersi,

My first work from home job was a lot like that. My next two after that were only like that sometimes.

fishy,

This same position in another company was a 60 hour job. They required all information to be shared in PowerPoint with images so I’d effectively spend 30 hours a week making presentations that lasted an hour or two at most, but could’ve been a chart in an email.

This spot started as 40 hours a week, but I automated most tasks and just don’t share the files and bi templates. They spend ten hours a week on a task I’ve automated to 30 minutes because their excel guru can’t figure out a formula I googled. They’re promoting me to a Sr. position with glowing reviews and I’ve never worked less in my life.

Korhaka,

I think I did a whole 4 hours of work last week. Really pushing myself lately.

fishy,

Dang, be sure not to overdo it. Don’t wanna burn out, y’know?

mx_smith,

Unless your work has been gamified. I play several games at work, one called Jira, another called GIT they aren’t super exciting but it’s a job.

NigelFrobisher, (edited )

Ironic though that gamification refers to features added to games to make them feel more like jobs (quotas, deadlines, milestones, certification etc).

njm1314, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Why are they lying? I don’t understand what it’s accomplishing. We all know they’re lying. That’s obvious from their statement here.

Mike_Hunt, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

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