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gradual, do games w Blizzard's Overwatch Team Just Unionized: 'What I Want To Protect Most Here Is The People'

Cool, but it’s not going to make the game any better.

They’ve been listening to the wrong people for too long.

rigatti,
@rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

It’s… not supposed to make the game better? It’s supposed to make working conditions for the team better.

gradual,

I never said it was to make the game better, only that it probably won’t which is what’s mostly relevant to me.

I don’t really have sympathy for people working for blizzard.

rigatti,
@rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

You said it’s not going to make the game better, so is the implication not that it’s supposed to make the game better somehow?

gradual,

Alright bud, I’m just gonna ignore ya.

Goodbye.

Glad I’ve gotten pretty good at identifying the insufferable people that just aren’t worth engaging with.

rigatti,
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    you identified yourself?

    gradual,

    No, I’m not the one who is desperately trying to drag people into an internet debate.

    ArmoredThirteen,

    Are you a Magikarp because you seem like you’re hurting yourself in your confusion

    gradual,

    It seems like you’re just trying to fit in with your peers.

    Also, confusion has nothing to do with Magikarp. Magikarp uses splash.

    ArmoredThirteen,

    Nah I’m not worried about my peers I just think you’re easy to string along and it amuses me

    gradual,

    Sigh, more censorship.

    Gonna need better communities without the mod abuse soon.

    AstralPath,

    You’re self-filtering yourself from the community. Based on these interactions, I think you’re doing the lord’s work. Keep it up!👍

    gradual,

    Ok.

    Dremor, (edited )
    @Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

    So you just go and post an off-topic rant, because you feel like those people, whose vast majority works to feed their family, do not deserve to have better working conditions?

    Do you even realize how narcissistic you sound like?

    Looking at your comment history I’m not really surprised, all you contributions looks like similar to this thread, but I’d like to give you a chance before banning you to keep this community turning toxic because of people like you.

    gradual, (edited )

    Lol, what? If they want better working conditions, they can work somewhere other than Activision Blizzard, one of the scummiest companies in the world that’s actively contributing to tarnishing the integrity of the medium.

    Also, I literally said “Cool” in response to them unionizing, so you’re just straight up lying when you say “you feel like those people, whose vast majority works to feed their family, do not deserve to have better working conditions”

    I even clarified by saying what I prioritize.

    It’s sad watching you get this mad at me because I said I don’t like a game and then threaten to abuse your power to ban me.

    Seek help.

    turning toxic because of people like you.

    The real toxicity is from the people responding to me like you lying, calling me a narcissist, and threatening to ban me just to support the dogpile.

    Dremor, (edited )
    @Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

    Lol, what? If they want better working conditions, they can work somewhere other than Activision Blizzard, one of the scummiest companies in the world that’s actively contributing to tarnishing the integrity of the medium.

    Sound like someone who never had any difficulty to find work (or do not work at all). Many worker do not have the possibility to easily change work, either because of the lack of similar companies in the vicinity, added to various reason for not being able to easily move home (kids, mortgages, among other). And even when they can, changing company is a jump into the unknown. It can be better, on the start of an even worse nightmare. At least in a company they already know, they have contacts, friends, and now, an union to protect them.

    Also, I literally said “Cool” in response to them unionizing, so you’re just straight up lying when you say “you feel like those people, whose vast majority works to feed their family, do not deserve to have better working conditions”

    Cool, but it’s not going to make the game any better.

    You are right, I’m caricaturing it a bit. The problem is that you immediately rant about it not going your way. If you’d really want to congratulate them for that, you wouldn’t immediately go on a rant about yourself immediately. Let’s get another example. Would you say to a friend announcing getting engaged “Cool, but I still can’t get laid”? No you wouldn’t, only a narcissist would.

    I even clarified by saying what I prioritize.

    That a bit the problem. You prioritize yourself, in a context that has no reason to. We are talking about the employees, not you. Either talk about the topic of the thread, even if you are against it, but don’t drag it to yourself at every occasion.

    It’s sad watching you get this mad at me because I said I don’t like a game and then threaten to abuse your power to ban me.

    Seek help.

    If I’m that much into banning everyone, I would have done it without giving you a chance of arguing back. The people I banned indefinitely are all spambots or bad faith trolls. Other than that I usually give 3-7 days bans when things go too far, to give people time to self-reflect and join us again on a later date. Considering how well your comments were received by the community, I doubt the community will miss you while your enjoy your alone time.

    The real toxicity is from the people responding to me like you lying, calling me a narcissist, and threatening to ban me just to support the dogpile.

    I see we don’t have the same definition of toxicity. If you consider that warning you to take a bit of time to self-reflect as toxicity, then you probably don’t have your place in this community.

    Tiresia,

    Besides, better working conditions for the team means more mentally healthy workers means a better and more creative product.

    JDPoZ,
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  • gradual,

    It would be nice if this improved the game or resulted in better games, but I won’t hold my breath.

    JDPoZ,
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  • gradual,

    Ok. It’s nice that you believe that unionizing is guaranteed to make better products no matter what.

    I still think it won’t improve the game as they’ve been listening to the wrong people for too long.

    But hey, maybe they can make a new game that’s good.

    echodot,

    Why are you arguing? You’ve stated your opinion, great we’ve heard it, but unfortunately it’s based on zero knowledge, so it’s worthless.

    gradual,

    Who’s arguing? We’re agreeing to disagree.

    It looks like you’re getting mad at me for disagreeing with you though. It’s ok for you to think what you want.

    bright_side_,
    @bright_side_@lemmy.world avatar

    Hey just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate your perspective. I know that unions result, in general, in better working conditions. However me as a customer not only supporting such companies, if I choose so, but also benefitting from better products in general is a nice perspective. food for thought!

    Elevator7009,

    Did not know Tillamook was employee-owned. Their ice cream is great, now I have a reason to prioritize buying from them.

    mrodri89, do games w Blizzard's Overwatch Team Just Unionized: 'What I Want To Protect Most Here Is The People'

    Im happy. Best state the game has been in and can only get better from here.

    eugenevdebs, do games w Blizzard's Overwatch Team Just Unionized: 'What I Want To Protect Most Here Is The People'

    Blizzard probably allowed it because Overwatch is bleeding player count, and then can use the union as “proof” that that unions harm the bottom line.

    I’m happy for them and I hope they can do something on even across other titles/teams, but I suspect Blizzard didn’t hire the Pinkertons like Amazon for a reason.

    Genius, do games w Blizzard's Overwatch Team Just Unionized: 'What I Want To Protect Most Here Is The People'

    Hopefully the union can crack down on the frat culture they have there. No more stolen breast milk please

    Poopfeast420,
    @Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    I think the OW team was already pretty good in that regard, and Jeff Kaplan tried to “protect” them, even if that didn’t always result in the best decisions for the game.

    Angry_Autist,

    Narrator: It won’t

    You really have no idea how deep this runs at Blizzard

    Angry_Autist, do games w Blizzard's Overwatch Team Just Unionized: 'What I Want To Protect Most Here Is The People'

    Only a decade too late

    miguel, do games w Blizzard's Overwatch Team Just Unionized: 'What I Want To Protect Most Here Is The People'
    @miguel@fedia.io avatar

    That's excellent news. Good for them

    endeavor, do gaming w Polygon Sold To Valnet And Hit With Mass Layoffs

    I’ve never liked either kotaku or polygon but less variety is bad.

    endeavor, do gaming w Even Atari Game Cartridges Are Getting More Expensive Because Of Tariffs

    I touched base with the 2600 repro fanbase and both of them are devastated but promise to support the hobby despite the hardship

    BevelGear, (edited ) do gaming w Even Atari Game Cartridges Are Getting More Expensive Because Of Tariffs

    Retropie and a ship solves that problem.

    Don’t forget to bring a raspberry pi, I’d suggest the 4, for when you get hungry.

    tias, do gaming w Even Atari Game Cartridges Are Getting More Expensive Because Of Tariffs

    Well, duh

    ranandtoldthat, do gaming w Polygon Sold To Valnet And Hit With Mass Layoffs

    This is a big hit to gaming. Polygon was a reliable source and employed a lot of knowledgeable and passionate writers and creators. It had its critics because it didn’t cater to gamergate, but for most of us that was a good thing.

    Valnet has blown up many sites before to make unreliable content farms. They practically invented the business.

    I hope the laid off writers at Polygon are able to make something like 404media.

    ByteOnBikes, do gaming w Polygon Sold To Valnet And Hit With Mass Layoffs

    I gotta admit, I was pretty amazed when they built Polygon out of scratch. It was just passionate game writers who is wanted to share the content they like reading. The first year was full of great writing. Then it kinda faded into the background, which isnt a problem.

    Seeing how that happened gives me hope that a new website filled with passionate game writers will sprout up.

    wreckedcarzz, do games w Gaming Website Polgyon Sold To Valnet And Hit With Layoffs
    @wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

    Kotaku: “sold to click-farm powerhouse Valnet”

    That very same page: click-bair links after paragraph 1, paragraph 2, a top-anchored video link after paragraph 3, and an endless list of links at the bottom of the page. And that’s with DNS ad-blocking and ublock. I’m curious what it looks like without, but I don’t want to get tech-cancer.

    Don’t throw shit if you are also covered in it, Kotaku. I never really liked the site but I don’t remember it being in this sad of a state…

    YesButActuallyMaybe,

    That site just isnt the same anymore. It’s like being run by the mittani

    9point6, do games w Gaming Website Polgyon Sold To Valnet And Hit With Layoffs

    Hmm, had to look up who these guys were

    Apparently they own XDA and Android Police too, which haven’t gone entirely to shit

    I’ll tentatively put the pitchfork away

    ilinamorato,

    Mass layoffs, though. That doesn’t usually presage a great time in a news site’s life.

    9point6,

    No, not at all, generally not a good sign whatsoever (unless you’re wall st apparently). I guess there’s the chance it was particularly inefficiently staffed, but then Vox seem like they should have known what they were doing, so that doesn’t seem likely.

    The new owner seems to have a few gaming brands already, Game Rant being the only one I’ve heard of though. Perhaps they’re planning a consolidation and this is the redundancy from that?

    Not necessarily saying there’s a silver lining, just trying to rationalise

    Aielman15,
    @Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

    The new owner seems to have a few gaming brands already, Game Rant

    Isn’t GameRant, like, 90% AI-generated clickbait content nowadays? Can’t talk about what they were about a few years ago, but every time I find a GR article when looking for something, it’s clickbait AI slop. Like “When will the sequel to X release? Everything you need to know” (scroll down to read post) “there’s no confirmation about a sequel”.

    9point6,

    TBF it’s not something I really read, just that I’ve heard of it. Though that’s a pretty clear signal of what the future holds for Polygon then

    ilinamorato,

    There’s also a complete rehash of the Wikipedia article about the game, its release and reception, and maybe even a slideshow of memes before you get to the “No confirmation” part. And then a list of all the times the developers have said, “yeah, if they want to do another one, we’d take their money.”

    ilinamorato,

    Looking through their portfolio, I honestly don’t know how XDA and Android Police maintain their quality levels. Everything else is Taboola-level click farming junk.

    j0ester,

    Damn! I never knew.

    ampersandrew, (edited ) do games w Gaming Website Polgyon Sold To Valnet And Hit With Layoffs
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Giant Bomb also going through some shit right now. They just put up a podcast with a big middle finger to their new bosses, and it got pulled.

    EDIT: Giant Bomb may be dead as of this afternoon.

    9point6,

    Oh that’s actually pretty sad to hear—I did not realise they had new owners

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    They’ve been owned by Fandom for a little while now, and they even made some good changes lately, but then someone a few rungs up the corporate ladder was replaced with someone who decided to make a pretty huge change to the company that basically compromises the entire point of Giant Bomb, if not also Gamespot.

    bishbosh,

    Do you know what were the ‘core values’ of the new Fandom they betrayed?

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    If you listen to episode 888, you’ll hear pretty quickly exactly why they got fired and why they thought it was important to do what they did.

    vulgarcynic,
    @vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Fuck. Long time, first time. I’m a few episodes behind. Any additional info available? Links?

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    See my other comment below, but the gist of it is that they were told to pause streaming for a while as everyone tries to figure out a path forward. They put out one Bombcast that rebelled against the new Fandom “values”, and you can find a link to it if you look through Bluesky or the Giant Bomb reddit. They’re still paused, and it’s been about a week now. It might be the end of Giant Bomb, in which case, Grubb, Mike, and Dan have sworn to keep doing Blight Club, and the others are probably preparing their parachutes too. It also might not be the end of Giant Bomb; nothing’s been decided yet, and everyone currently still has their jobs.

    vulgarcynic,
    @vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Aww geez. Thanks for the summary duder. Been at a conference in the bay so kinda detached from it all. Gonna be wild if Fandom is the shitdicks that kill GB.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    If Episode 888 is the last Bombcast, it will leave the world with the integrity that created it in the first place. Give it a listen, when you get around to it.

    vulgarcynic,
    @vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Copy that. Found a drop on archive.org. Planning to grab it when I’m back home. Cheers friend!

    villainy, (edited )

    Awesome. Yet another reason to donate to the IA!

    Edit: Grabbed episode 888 from IA. I’m only 10 minutes in and already these guys are going for it. I love this, fuck Fandom.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Breaking news: Grubb seems to have been let go.

    vulgarcynic,
    @vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works avatar

    What the fuck.

    Jeffool,
    @Jeffool@lemmy.world avatar

    Dan removed GB from his BSky bio, and Grubb posted that he’s no longer with GB.

    To add more context, last night Dan was streaming on Twitch and said he expects episode 888 to be the last Bombcast. He said things that, if he stays employed, would make Fandom the most understanding employer ever. To use words he used: he’ll keep taking their money as long as they’ll give it to him, but he expects that won’t keep happening for very long. He’s very annoyed with working for giant corporations and wants to bet on himself.

    villainy,

    Here we are, 17 years after a bunch of clueless suits fucked with GameSpot and led to the creation of Giant Bomb. Now it’s a whole new set of clueless suits fucking with Giant Bomb. It’s the circle of capitalism.

    I was in deep for GB until the Nextlander split and slowly trailed off since then. I still have mad respect for that group and follow most of them in one way or another. This is a new level of dire for them.

    The Giant Bomb Preservation Project still appears to be active so… at least there’s that I guess.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s looking like GB is now dead. At the very least, I’m confident I’ll continue to get Blight Club and Jeff’s news show, even though they won’t be at a site called Giant Bomb. Hopefully everyone else found a place where they can land on their feet. Their personal brands are stronger than Fandom’s.

    savutano,
    @savutano@lemmy.world avatar

    Let’s be real, it has been dead for a while.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I fell off just post-pandemic, but I came back when Gerstmann left, and it was great for a long while again.

    savutano, (edited )
    @savutano@lemmy.world avatar

    I left with Jeff, Vinny Brad n Alex, tried to come back a few times, but it just never hit the same.

    Lucy & Tamoor were great since their Gamespot days, Dan came back and Bakalar/Grubb are solid. I’m sure there are others that joined after the fact, but it just didn’t feel like GB without the core group. (Sidenote: hope jason is doing well with all the health stuff).

    At one point I think Jan was downplaying Jeffs importance, and that may have been the last time I gave them my time.

    I feel like the writing was on the wall since the last acquisition. Respect for them, trying to keep it alive, for as long as they did.

    Edit: side shout-out to PackBenPack, Abby 'from ‘Brooklyn’ & Not That Will Smith. Ben has showed up on The Gerstmann Podcast, Abby & Will are regulars on Nextlander. Also miss Drew n Alexis. Rest in power Ryan Davis, China Truly Don’t Care.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I have no ill will toward Gerstmann, but there came a point where he became very unentertaining, so when I heard he was gone, it was a good signal for me to give them another try, and Grubb fit into that old Gerstmann interviewer role very well while also being a more positive guy and someone who might break some news. They had a really good group, and Blight Club was an all-timer Giant Bomb show.

    savutano,
    @savutano@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, he did seem to get more negative near the end, most likely due to everything happening behind the scenes. And after Ben left, he didn’t really connect with anyone left over. Him & Ben played off each-other quite well, was reminiscent of Ryan, in a way.

    JackbyDev,

    Their video content is pretty good.

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