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ordnance_qf_17_pounder, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

If nobody takes responsibility, then they should all just agree that this was a big misunderstanding and reinstate the titty games.

darthelmet, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Gotta love it when companies put something in their legal agreements that just says “we can do whatever the fuck we want.” Is the rest of the wall of text just there to hide that somewhere someone won’t read?

ZombiFrancis, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

“Mastercard did not communicate with Valve directly, despite our request to do so,"

Well now how did you make that request?

lmmarsano, (edited ) do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Direct link: Mastercard rule 5.12.7 Illegal or Brand-damaging Transactions

As much as we hate x, airing negative publicity over their attempt to deny responsibility by directly citing back their policy & asking questions might be good.

AnUnusualRelic, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks to this mess, I ended up installing Wero.
Now I just have to find somewhere to use it… 😐

GreenKnight23, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
Decoy321,

Oh shit, that’s an old school reference. Poor Mr. Cheeseface.

For those unfamiliar, this is from an old National Lampoons magazine.

A few years later, someone actually shot that dog.

Eyekaytee, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
@Eyekaytee@aussie.zone avatar

so it was about potential brand damage that doesn’t exist? and/or has this actually brand damaged visa and mastercard more than ignoring collective shout?

halcyoncmdr,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

What I see is Mastercard hiding behind their generic rules for processors and being fine with the processors taking unilateral action that could damage their brand.

Mastercard should demand they rescind the decision based on a flawed interpretation of their rules since the content IS NOT ILLEGAL where Steam provides it, or drop those processors entirely due to the brand damage their unilateral decision has caused. If Mastercard lets this sit, that signals that they agree with this decision, regardless of what they say, and they should be treated as such.

NiHaDuncan,

Read mastercard’s actual rule that is literally in the OP. The processor’s interpretation isn’t flawed and in no way does Mastercard limit their rule to what is illegal.

The rule is so open ended and vague that it’s entirely on Mastercard (and Visa) that this shit happened.

halcyoncmdr,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

It is intentionally vague, because companies want to be able to weasel out of any and all accountability whenever possible.

But Mastercard isn’t off the hook either way even if we accept the rules as they are currently. Before this incident, Mastercard has been starting to censor adult content in general with rules changes. To the point where there was already a petition on the ACLU site about this exact type of censorship.

…aclu.org/…/mastercard-sex-work-work-end-your-unj…

Mastercard is trying to weasel their way out of this particular instance because they didn’t directly have a hand in this video game situation, even though they clearly would agree with it based on other recent changes. They’re trying to play both sides by assuming that people didn’t know they were already doing these things.

bouh,

What I read is that it is not about illegal content. It is about the measures taken to prevent illegal content from being sold. It’s much more devious than simple censorship.

Electricd, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Maybe the payment processors lied?

Petter1, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

I can’t imagine, that the delisted games lacked “serious artistic value“.

Proof me wrong!

(Joke is, you can’t proof that in any way)

ChicoSuave, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Fuckers are just propagating the fury without providing a fix. Are the censored games back or not? Because right now they aren’t. Put them back and make Mastercard do something about it now that they have staged their position. Collective Shout is playing both sides.

supernight52, do games w Ori Studio Head Says Review Bombing Might Force Studio Closure, Then Takes It All Back

“These days, apparently anyone who doesn’t include five trans characters in their game and doesn’t let their products be influenced by political bullshit is a Nazi. What a world we live in.”

And like that I will not buy anything by this studio ever. Mahler is a whiny bitch baby.

7112,

This does more damage than the actual review bombs for me

Pika,
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

yea for real… like I didn’t even know it /was/ being review bombed, but as an avid fan of the Ori series… this puts a real sour taste in my mouth

catalyst,
@catalyst@lemmy.world avatar

Yeaaaah, I’m with you. What a wild comment to make. I was ready to give them the benefit of the doubt that the whole review bombing drama was just a case of having a bad day but this is something else.

Essence_of_Meh, (edited )
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

He had more of similar comments throughout the years so… yeah. He’s also known for poor management and causing toxic work environment to the point Microsoft decided to cut ties with the studio.
Just in case someone thought these are just some out of context or one-time “jokes”/missteps.

Heck, here are some bonus links for good measure:

AntiBullyRanger,

So then I was correct to spot the plea for positive review bombing his game. Two shades for Machiavellianing your workers, three for us.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Yup.

I want to say we all found out he was a piece of shit in the lead up to Ori 2? Very much led to a lot of outlets doing the “The game is good but up to you if you want to support this kind of worker abuse”. And he just got worse and worse since.

Essence_of_Meh,
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

I want to say we all found out he was a piece of shit in the lead up to Ori 2?

Eh, not necessarily? I’m sure there are plenty of people who just play the games and aren’t in the know of any drama going on behind the scenes. Heck, I’m pretty tuned in into what’s going on in the industry and while I remember hearing some of this stuff back in the day most of it faded away since I wasn’t particularly interested in the series.

I think it’s better to remind folks about these situations than assume everyone is familiar with what’s going on.

draconik,

I personally love the games and had no clue this drama existed. Kind of regret buying these games now

Essence_of_Meh,
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

You already played the games, you enjoy them - it is what it is. There’s no point in beating yourself over (not) doing something without knowledge about the circumstances. No one is omnipotent and can avoid supporting every single shitty person out there. Just have fun with what you like and don’t support the guy in the future, that’s the best one can do in such situation in my opinion.

Oughtakyk,

Same here, if there’s any plan to continue the series count me out

Pika,
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

I don’t regret buying them, they are good games, but I don’t Condone shitty practices. If you restricted yourself to moral or ethic right companies only you would have nothing to buy sadly. You buying a game != you accepting the ideologies of the leadership of said game.

Just get games you know you enjoy, and ignore all the dramatics that are involved. Life’s to short to lock yourself down with it all.

LandedGentry, (edited )

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  • supernight52,

    It’s a quote from the article about his response to this situation.

    catloaf,

    There was no review bombing.

    FooBarrington,

    Oh shit, thanks for bringing this up. Will definitely never buy a game from this studio again!

    LostWanderer,

    Oof, yep this really does damage to my intention to buy his game more than ‘review bombing’ often you can tell if there is something fundamentally wrong with a game or not based on the actual content of reviews…Or if users are pushing for an adjustment. If there is a whisper of a trans or gay character in a game, there is so much pushback, so I don’t know what the fuck he is on about; Mahler is such a whiny snowflake, that probably needs to take his medication because his post history is looking a little sus. Like he unplugged from reality for a few minutes.

    SkunkWorkz,

    And

    The confusing rant then rather radically changed subject to talk about how he doesn’t want to take sides in the illegal Russian invasion of Ukraine

    And

    In 2022, https://venturebeat.com/games/despite-its-beautiful-ori-games-moon-studio-is-called-an-oppressive-place-to-work/ that staff working for Moon Studios had told the outlet about a culture of “casual racism, sexism and bullying,” describing it as “an oppressive workplace.”

    ChickenAndRice,
    @ChickenAndRice@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Oh damn. I was going to get the Ori games but will spend my money elsewhere. Thanks for the heads up.

    Nikls94,

    🏴‍☠️ them instead

    atrielienz, (edited ) do games w Ori Studio Head Says Review Bombing Might Force Studio Closure, Then Takes It All Back

    Takes it all back because A. There was no review bombing, people who left mixed reviews had reasonable and valid complaints, and B. He reversed course as soon as people started pointing out how he was protesting quite a lot about exactly nobody calling him a Nazi.

    Cris16228, do games w Ori Studio Head Says Review Bombing Might Force Studio Closure, Then Takes It All Back

    Awwww and I wanted to buy and play them :(

    Nikls94,

    👒 🏴‍☠️ 🌊 🚢 you can still play them Arrr

    Oughtakyk,

    This is the way 🦜

    Cris16228,

    That’s when I wear the pirate hat but still! I saw a bundle with the first game :(

    gusgalarnyk, do games w Ori Studio Head Says Review Bombing Might Force Studio Closure, Then Takes It All Back

    I assumed pretty immediately upon hearing him in a couple of interviews that he was exactly this right winger camoflaughing as a centralist. I gave the game the benefit of the doubt because I hadn’t seen any hard evidence but I’ll stop talking kindly about the game based on this info.

    Politics is how we organize our society. Most of everything is political. When society starts organizing movements against groups of people, stripping away rights, and generally being Nazis you have to get more political to stop them. Taking no position is taking a position. Join the rebellion or support the empire, there is no in-between.

    rigatti, do games w Blizzard's Overwatch Team Just Unionized: 'What I Want To Protect Most Here Is The People'
    @rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

    Since the other person came in and tried to act cool or something by only caring about how it affects them (or doesn’t affect them?), I just want to put it out there that the OW team has been making lots of improvements to the game lately. The last patch added a new core game mode that has been pretty popular, along with a new hero, and they’ve reimplemented 6v6 which has been a complaint of a large portion of the playerbase since they went to 5v5 a few years ago.

    So, contrary to that other person, I am happy for the OW team for unionizing, and I hope that Blizzard doesn’t do anything to stifle the progress that they have been making lately because they have now unionized.

    turkalino,

    Yeah, the team has been in a good bargaining position because the higher-ups are seeing OW players switching to Marvel Rivals in droves and realizing that they need to start listening to people who actually know what they’re talking about. Props to the team for sensing this is a good time to gain some ground and unionize

    Elevator7009,

    I don’t care about Overwatch but I am happy for the devs and hope this leads to more unionization in the video game industry.

    rigatti,
    @rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah that’s a very fair statement to make.

    Eyck_of_denesle,

    Lemmy users try not to say “I don’t care” challenge. Lvl impossible. Seriously why does every mainstream entertainment post has one guy talking about how he doesn’t care. Lol. Holy boomers on this app.

    Genius,

    I don’t care about anything 😎

    These users are time travellers from the 90s, please be nice to them

    Angry_Autist,

    ‘I don’t care’ isn’t boomers, that’s GenX and fuck you for getting us mixed up

    Seriously, fuck you

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