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slaacaa, do games w How Trump's Tariffs Could Cost Gamers Billions

Not my president 😡

Tap for spoiler(I live in Germany)

Etterra,

Well to be fair you already went through this shit once. Speaking of which, you’re gonna send troops over here to help us out this time, right?

Strider,

Schwein gehabt!

Renacles, do games w How Trump's Tariffs Could Cost Gamers Billions

You guys have much bigger problems to worry about right now tbh

Tyfud,

Yeah, if the fascist overthrow of democracy only had tariffs to worry about, we’d be doing well.

OmegaLemmy, do games w How Trump's Tariffs Could Cost Gamers Billions
@OmegaLemmy@discuss.online avatar

For how much people are worrying about tariffs I’ve lived my entire life with a 66% alcohol tax, 75% electronics tax, 240-380% vehicles tax and recently even saw 150% inflation.

Let’s play a game!

Where do I live?

troybot,

Ooh I’ll play. Australia?

OmegaLemmy,
@OmegaLemmy@discuss.online avatar

Wow Australia has it like that? Nope. A lot less isolated

atro_city,

Hmmm, wanted to say Brasil, but maybe Sweden?

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Brazil inflation had been really good in the past year or two, so I would not say is it.

OmegaLemmy,
@OmegaLemmy@discuss.online avatar

Close, a country just south of it has a LOT of my people, they even call their capital an extended territory of theirs…

egonallanon,

Argentina?

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Recently 150% inflation, not Argentina, based on the “Recently”

catsrcool,

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  • OmegaLemmy,
    @OmegaLemmy@discuss.online avatar

    DING DING DING DING YOU WON!!!

    atro_city,

    How is Lemmy doing in the Turkish community? Is there a Turkish lemmy instance?

    OmegaLemmy,
    @OmegaLemmy@discuss.online avatar

    I might be one of the thousand people that actively use Lemmy in turkey. Reach out to me otherwise incorrect

    LodeMike, do games w How Trump's Tariffs Could Cost Gamers Billions

    Piracy 😍

    chillhelm,

    Unfortunately, the only hardware component you can actually download is RAM. And increased hardware prices are going to be the primary cost factor.

    Agent_Karyo,
    @Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

    The funny thing is, I believe RAM is actually one component that isn’t manufactured as much in China (compared to other components).

    LodeMike, (edited )

    Oh sorry I didn’t read the article. Hardware makes more sense.

    GhiLA,
    @GhiLA@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Then it isn’t so much playing games, it’s the death of the entire industry. If no one can play anything, there’s nothing to sell.

    Neato!

    Guess I’ll have to keep my steam deck in good working order and enjoy gaming in a tribute sense.

    DoucheBagMcSwag,

    Until untracked VPNs are made illegal due to “security.”

    GhiLA, (edited )
    @GhiLA@sh.itjust.works avatar

    …make your own. Destroy it and remake it with a new IP once every few months, use headscale or something to make managing it easier.

    I am this petty, absolutely.

    (Or just get everything now, I mean. You got a month. Sorry if you didn’t buy a few hard drives when Trump got elected. Some of us saw the writing on the wall.)

    DoucheBagMcSwag,

    Oh believe me I have. 2 HDDs and 1 SSD. I’ve also been snatching up DVDs of shows from second hand places since streaming services will become untenable soon

    kittenzrulz123, do games w How Trump's Tariffs Could Cost Gamers Billions

    https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/61c416a7-4b91-4d06-9a5b-a9c05efeacc4.webp

    Gaymers are the most oppressed group, literally 1984

    magic_lobster_party, do games w How Trump's Tariffs Could Cost Gamers Billions

    They targeted gamers

    radicalautonomy, do games w How Trump's Tariffs Could Cost Gamers Billions
    @radicalautonomy@lemmy.world avatar

    It ain’t gonna cost me shit because I’m spending next to nothing for the foreseeable future apart from necessities, and what little I do spend is gonna be bought as locally as possible. Fuck this country.

    SpitSalute, do games w How Trump's Tariffs Could Cost Gamers Billions

    We as leftists, must organize in ways that match the fascists. Subversion of their goals is our goal. The class and culture war is in full effect and we must not be complacent.

    Agent_Karyo, (edited )
    @Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

    [ignore, need to drink coffee]

    SpitSalute,

    Apologies, I’m not on Lemmy very much, nor the gaming community. I’m an American distraught by Trump right now. I’m no communist. Just an impassioned and anxious progressive American. Thank you for telling me.

    Agent_Karyo,
    @Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

    All good. That’s a fair point.

    I am getting too paranoid. :)

    Regrettable_incident,
    @Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not at all sure you can assume gamers are leftists. An awful lot seem to be pretty hard right.

    iheartneopets,

    Yeah, gamer gate was one of the things that lead to Trump being elected in the first place. Plus the outcry that still happens when BIPOC, LGBT, or women protagonists are used. Hell, just look at any steam discussion board sometime and you’ll see it.

    As someone who games, gAmERs are the fucking worst

    Regrettable_incident,
    @Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

    I kinda missed the gamer gate thing, was distracted by other shit and wasn’t gaming at the time. Am I right in thinking it was some kind of misogynist incel bullshit? Like, girls aren’t allowed to play with the boys’ toys?

    But yeah, I’ve seen enough stuff on discussion boards and heard enough anecdotes to see that there’s a lot of bigotry in gaming. The hard right are successfully using it as a recruitment platform for kids. Fuckin appalling, but they are well organised and fascists don’t have to worry so much about sectarianism.

    I just don’t get how people can’t see that there’s strength in diversity. Like, in gaming you want a team with different skills, abilities, experiences, and characteristics. It’s the same IRL - a diverse community is a strong community.

    darthelmet,

    It’s a shame. Seeing the bullshit companies have done to games for the sake of profit ought to be a pretty easy on-ramp to anti-capitalism. But just like in the real world, racist shit distracts them from any of that.

    misk, (edited )
    @misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Won’t the tariffs incentivise domestic production and give work to more regular folks? There’s also less stuff to be hauled around the world so there’s environmental benefits too. Sounds like a leftist idea to me.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    We don’t have infrastructure to produce a lot of the components in the things we buy, and even if we did, it would inherently cost a lot more to produce than in the countries that are about to have tariffs placed on them. That the US ever was a manufacturing powerhouse was, in my understanding, a very “place and time” sort of deal after World War II. Not only were all of our competitors recovering from being bombed, but we also advanced to a services based economy very quickly, raising the standard of living beyond a point that manufacturing jobs can typically afford to support. I’m no economist though; I just watch one on YouTube, and “the middle income trap” is a frequent topic.

    misk,
    @misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Tariffs can serve as a stimuli to build out local manufacturing capacity, which sounds pretty leftist to me. I understand arguments for laissez faire policies but at heart they are liberal and not left. It’s the refusal to accept it that led to far right being as popular as it is.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Anyone promising to return people to previously prosperous economic conditions will be popular, even if people don’t know that the promise can’t possibly be delivered. Coal isn’t coming back either, and there’s no “clean” version of it, but if all you’ve done in your life is coal, you’ll vote for the guy who says he’s bringing coal back.

    misk,
    @misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

    I’m not here to convince liberals that they should try to care for the poor. I’m here to argue that the jig is up - people are voting for literally anyone, including fascists, that promises to change the course.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    That second part is exactly what I just said. Is it caring for the poor to lie to them about economic realities, or to raise the cost on everyday items via tariffs when money is already tight? Again, I’m no expert, but I’d rather vote for promised solutions that I understand to actually work rather than the ones that sound good and don’t work.

    Katana314,

    Trump was basically the equivalent of the guy in your street that says when he’s president, everyone gets a million dollars and a pony.

    SpitSalute,

    Tell me you don’t know how the world works without telling me you don’t know how the world works.

    misk,
    @misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Are you arguing that tariffs and other market restrictions are ineffective at incentivising moving of production sites? I guess that’s why Biden lifted tariffs Trump imposed. Oh wait.

    Or are you arguing that container ships full of plastic trash are good for the environment?

    SpitSalute,

    Are you dancing around the fact that multiple industries have indicated they will pass on the cost of the tariffs to consumers?

    misk,
    @misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

    They will do what’s most profitable. If domestic production becomes competitive someone will do it.

    SpitSalute,

    I’m sorry you’re right, the Republicans have always wanted to tackle that trash and plastic problem. Trump, of course, cares about that. He’s always talked about how much he wants to stop the production and import of plastic junk and pollution, oh wait…

    misk,
    @misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Politicians lie so I’m mostly interested in outcomes, not the narratives that politicians use to make things happen. Why would I care that something I want and is mostly outside of my control happens for the wrong reasons?

    GhiLA,
    @GhiLA@sh.itjust.works avatar

    If you gave it thirty years and the entire world paused and waited for us, sure,… but, we have a global economy and old people need medications, cars need chips and batteries. We all depend on each other. We can’t charge a toll and pretend everything won’t see any ill effects

    misk,
    @misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

    If you proposed something else that would uplift lower classes sooner they’d probably vote for it. What Democrats were offering wasn’t credible enough because people have been deceived for too long.

    OmegaLemmy,
    @OmegaLemmy@discuss.online avatar

    Half right half wrong, would benefit USA a lot more if they were a developing market, not the center of the modern world

    misk,
    @misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Could be that US rejected modernity because it wasn’t working for them.

    GhiLA,
    @GhiLA@sh.itjust.works avatar

    go on Counter Strike

    constant n words

    “your body my choice.”

    …yeah, y’all got this. Lmao. Gamers unite! 😂

    SpitSalute,

    Omg, are you a professional comedian!!! You could make millions!!! 😂😂😂 thats some original humor right there!!! You genius you

    HerrVorragend, do games w How Trump's Tariffs Could Cost Gamers Billions
    @HerrVorragend@lemmy.world avatar

    ‘American gamers must return to buying American for their gaming needs. That’s why I have talked to Microsoft and they will lower their prices considerably. You are welcome, nerds.’ -DT, probably soon

    ch00f,

    I think the most made-in-America gaming hardware is probably the mac pro

    takeda,

    You’re forgetting that they have to import all the components that are inside. Also mine says “Assembled in China”, check yours, lol.

    icecreamtaco,
    @icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

    No amount of tariffs would get me to buy an Xbox lol

    dabu, do games w How Trump's Tariffs Could Cost Gamers Billions
    @dabu@lemmy.world avatar

    In the US.

    Agent_Karyo, (edited )
    @Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

    I was borderline thinking of re-editing the headline to something along the lines of:

    Proposed US tariffs may significantly raise gaming hardware costs for US gamers

    But then decided against it as I generally think it’s best to avoid title edits (other than minor corrections/edits that are explicit).

    Poopfeast420,
    @Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Companies will find a way to apply this also to the rest of the world, citing some bogus reasons.

    Stovetop,

    It’s like how back when the Euro or the Pound were worth nearly 2x what the dollar was, a new device or piece of hardware would sell for $399/€399/£399.

    dubyakay,

    The EUR and GBP prices included VAT, import fees and whatever other fees levied by the local govt on electronics.

    GrindingGears, do gaming w Billionaire Waits Outside Supermarket To Fight Call Of Duty Fan

    I tried to read this article, but omg has Kotaku gotten awful. No thanks.

    CurlyWurlies4All,
    @CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net avatar

    A lot of their best writers moved to aftermath.site

    Midnitte,

    Worker owned, nice

    CurlyWurlies4All,
    @CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net avatar

    For a more serious news sister site, i’d also recommend www.404media.co

    LuckingFurker, do gaming w Billionaire Waits Outside Supermarket To Fight Call Of Duty Fan

    Imagine chickening out of the opportunity to punch a billionaire

    Kissaki,

    Do they drop coins when you punch them? Like in a videogame?

    Damage, do gaming w Billionaire Waits Outside Supermarket To Fight Call Of Duty Fan

    Xavier Niel caught wind of the insult and decided to visit said Lidl—an Aldi-like discount supermarket

    Wtf is this disrespect, Kotaku?

    DarkThoughts,

    Disrespect? Lidl was specifically made to copy and be a direct competitor to Aldi.

    thingsiplay,

    What makes Lidl a copy of Aldi? Isn’t every supermarket the same?

    executivechimp, (edited )
    @executivechimp@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Lidl and Aldi were created by brothers and often appear near each other because sibling rival be like that

    Edited for veracity. See below.

    thingsiplay,

    I know of brothers creating Aldi North and Aldi South, at least here in Germany (Aldi Nord and Aldi Süd). I wasn’t aware of the history of Lidl being a direct competitor to Aldi. Just looked up on Wikipedia for quick reference.

    barsoap,

    Nope. Aldi was created by brothers who, after pioneering the discounter model and being quite successful with their stores, broke apart their empire over a disagreement – which was whether selling cigarettes was a good idea, in particular whether the theft rate would be too high. Completely fucking un-dramatic (very much in contrast to Puma/Adidas which is a feud that’s still going on), they always cooperated a lot in procurement etc, and definitely don’t compete with each other: The world is split into Aldi North and Aldi South, referring to their territories in Germany. The only other country where both are present is in the US because Aldi North bought Trader Joes, ages ago, it’s the only country where they’re technically competing but not really because they’re serving quite different market segments. Aldi South (under the Aldi brand) has been in the US for ages too, btw, but mostly kept a low profile. They both like to grow organically, no flashy fancy billion buck investments. In Aldi North stores at least in Germany Trader Joe’s is the store brand for nuts, dried fruits etc.

    The two Albrechts got into the business because their father, a learned baker, got ill with baker’s asthma and turned to bread trading instead, they expanded the product range of the business, after the war focussed heavily on high throughput on low margins and opened more locations, then introduced the supermarket model in Germany. Even in Germany it took some people quite a while that their quality was never shabby, on the contrary, but combine their low prices with the back then right-out warehouse atmosphere and you definitely didn’t see rich people there.

    Lidl is wholly separate and not founded by brothers. It technically predates Aldi and also the brother’s expansion before the split and rebrand (they were known as Albrecht Discount before), it was a small fruit trader which then got bought by Joseph Schwarz, then turned into a larger but still regional fruit trader. Lidl stores as we know them only go back to the 1970s when Dieter, son of Joseph, was already at the helm.

    Lidl is much more common outside of Germany than inside, though, long story short establishing yourself as a hard discounter in a market where Aldi is already present is hard. They did make Aldi turn away from the warehouse aesthetic, though, yes you can have nice signage and lighting and stiff be efficient.

    dylanmorgan,

    Yep, Whole Foods and the Pay ‘n’ Save, basically identical.

    DarkThoughts,

    No, Aldi and Lidl are discounters. Aldi invented the model and Lidl copied it.

    SweetCitrusBuzz, (edited ) do gaming w Billionaire Waits Outside Supermarket To Fight Call Of Duty Fan
    @SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

    And this is why commercial social media and the overarching idea that violence is a good way to solve most problems are both bad ideas.

    It says something that folks reach for that instead of learning how to be calm about such things and tend to be supported for such behaviour instead of told it’s not a good idea, even worse that they never take such things down once posted, often.

    All part of the patriarchal, oversharing that the internet loves.

    “Be happy, be horny, be bursting with rage, we’ve got a million different ways to engage”. -Bo Burnham

    merthyr1831, do games w Palworld Developer Reveals The Pokémon Patents Nintendo Claims It's Violating

    Software parents, specifically game mechanic parents, are fucking insane. You should see the stuff Square Enix has patented following death stranding.

    I get the whole “they just reskinned my game mechanics!!!” but also: I don’t. It’s like saying Go, Draughts, Chess, etc. are copies or “infringing” on one another for being a board game set on a grid with black/white pieces.

    Even the idea of intellectual property is shaky for me but at least it’s more clear cut whether you’ve directly copied or deceived someone with a similar design of a character.

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