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misteloct, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

“Cryptocurrency is only a pyramid scheme and has no real utility!”

Rbnsft,

Its used like one.

protogen420,

afaik the least pyramid scheme crypto coin is monero, bitcoin is used almost purely as a speculative asset which is just sad

misteloct,

Bitcoin does have some more utility based proposals but for the foreseeable future, I agree. Most cryptos are like that too.

misteloct,

It’s mostly used like that, but doesn’t mean it has no utility whatsoever.

Rbnsft,

The other 5% are used for drugs and other illegal stuff. So Yeah it is used for trading but 90% is just scam or investment

misteloct,

Source?

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

Cryptocurrency is a pyramid scheme and has no real utility.

misteloct,

Monero, a decentralized censorship proof cryptocurrency, has no real utility with regard to solving MasterCard’s censorship and only depends on a pyramid of investors to function at all? That is not my understanding.

Yes, most cryptos are treated like pump and dump scams. 99% of usage is like that. Absolutely does not change the underlying utility nor would I recommend “investing” in them.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

Monero, a decentralized censorship proof cryptocurrency, has no real utility with regard to solving MasterCard’s censorship and only depends on a pyramid of investors to function at all?

Monero - the digital token with no real world value, yes. You don’t need crypto to fix this issue. Brazilians can use Pix and would not depend on MasterCard and Visa, and this includes everything from physical purchases to digital storefronts to paying in installments and more. All attached to currency that actually means something and zero crypto bros trying to pump the value up or down on their delusional subreddits.

misteloct, (edited )

Pix sounds trivially easy to censor, freeze, or control from the government’s perspective. Unless I’m missing something that makes it easier for the government to censor innocuous NSFW content. And we don’t have anything like it in the US so it’s useless to me.

Monero can be used immediately without storing a balance for longer than a few minutes, although a correlation attack would be trivial like that. But at best it is not subject to market whims any longer than you decide is necessary for your anonymity needs. It’s the perfect case for purchasing NSFW software, where you want the purchase private and uncensored even when it’s perfectly legal. That sounds like an incredible real world value, even after the crypto bros are long gone and the value dumps (imo) 99%. But it’s a tool that needs no real world value.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

Pix sounds trivially easy to censor, freeze, or control from the government’s perspective

If the Brazilian government decided to go against the constitution to censor my online purchases like that, buying hentai games would be the least of my concerns. And then it wouldn’t matter if I’m using your fake crypto bro tokens or not.

And we don’t have anything like it in the US

Of course not. You live in a weird techno feudalism where the government can’t do anything because that’s socialism and the only solutions you trust are some random tech bro dependent crap like CashApp.

misteloct,

Yes, so you agree that Monero has value then, especially in countries like the US?

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

so you agree that Monero has value then

Nope, I’d rather use seashells than something like Monero. Crypto is got negative value, the time wasted hearing people like you preach about it is never going to be returned to my life.

especially in countries like the US?

Seashells would be an upgrade in a country like the US, but failures of your payment systems do not change anything for the inherent value of random online tokens.

misteloct,

Seashells require face to face interaction, they weigh a lot and they are not convenient to obtain. Nor are they fungible or even anonymous. I am not convinced they are better than Monero, or that Monero has no value.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

Seashells require face to face interaction, they weigh a lot and they are not convenient to obtain. Nor are they fungible or even anonymous

That’s all true, which is why seashells are terrible. But even being terrible, they beat the imaginary crypto bro token. That’s how bad the crypto bro token is.

misteloct,

Again Monero is immediately useful to many people, and so are other cryptos. You don’t have to use them and they may not be useful to you. But they are useful to others.

Itdidnttrickledown, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

We have seen the same behavior out of the credit card companies before. Its pretty clear that they do pressure companies to remove content they don’t approve of. Its censorship and its legal since the companies are not the government. They are just tied in at a high level to the banking industry. Its a good example of how lack of regulation harms both creators and consumers.

It lets a bunch of poorly adjusted individuals force their personal mental problems on us all.

haloduder,

Taking away our freedom of speech is something to go to war over.

If this trend of giving all the government power to companies continues, well, let’s just say I’m glad we have the 2nd amendment to fight back against tyranny.

I’m not going to live in a reddit cuck-world without a fight.

njm1314, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Why are they lying? I don’t understand what it’s accomplishing. We all know they’re lying. That’s obvious from their statement here.

Mike_Hunt, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Pirate’s life for me then

TheGreenWizard, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

So obviously somebody is lying. I really don’t understand why Valve or Itch would be the ones lying about this. My money is on the group of self righteous censorship soldiers with too much time on their hands, and the payment companies. I could always be wrong I though.

Rose,

Not necessarily. Valve says they haven’t heard from Mastercard directly. Is there evidence of Itch.io having been approached at all? It seems to me that they just made the move to delist and investigate to be safe in the wake of Valve’s rule changes.

rumba,

MasterCard is so big they don’t even know what all their departments are doing. The PR department probably asked a couple of the top level execs if they were pushing for this and they said no so they claimed it didn’t happen.

GreenKnight23,

MasterCard knows exactly what they’re doing.

executive leadership is varying degrees of Christian nationalist and trump supporters.

source: me, I know people.

gandalf_der_12te,

they’re blaming it on the middle men

In a statement to Kotaku, a spokesperson for Valve said that while Mastercard did not communicate with it directly, concerns did come through payment processor and banking intermediaries.

ordnance_qf_17_pounder, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

If nobody takes responsibility, then they should all just agree that this was a big misunderstanding and reinstate the titty games.

darthelmet, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Gotta love it when companies put something in their legal agreements that just says “we can do whatever the fuck we want.” Is the rest of the wall of text just there to hide that somewhere someone won’t read?

ZombiFrancis, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

“Mastercard did not communicate with Valve directly, despite our request to do so,"

Well now how did you make that request?

lmmarsano, (edited ) do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Direct link: Mastercard rule 5.12.7 Illegal or Brand-damaging Transactions

As much as we hate x, airing negative publicity over their attempt to deny responsibility by directly citing back their policy & asking questions might be good.

UltraGiGaGigantic, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

I guess turn the boobs butts and dicks up to 10,000 then. In every game.

Its time for Gordon freeman to do unholy things with a headcrab!

samus12345,
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kinther,
@kinther@lemmy.world avatar

Oh god why did you have to put that image in my head. No wonder it hides in the vents

Appoxo,
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NONE_dc, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
@NONE_dc@lemmy.world avatar

Collective Shout says it wasn’t their fault, MC and Visa say it wasn’t their fault, Steam and Itch say it wasn’t their fault. Conclusion? No one is to blame! No one did it! What’s more, it didn’t even happen!! it was all a figment of our imagination!

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

Gee golly I accidentally dropped internet privacy into the garbage and almost threw it out with the trash. Oops didnt mean to! Silly me.

Microw,
@Microw@piefed.zip avatar

I mean, PayPal has not denied responsibility so far. Which is pretty interesting

NONE_dc,
@NONE_dc@lemmy.world avatar

They must be like the guy who is involved in the mischief but since he is not as visible as the others, he pretends that the issue is not with him to see if he gets away with it.

5too,

Which sounds to me like Steam and Itch could restore everything. Unless MC/Visa wants to publicly say they can’t?

AnUnusualRelic, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks to this mess, I ended up installing Wero.
Now I just have to find somewhere to use it… 😐

dreugeworst, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part

I feel like a strict reading of this rule would also put a lot of fighting games, shooters, horror games etc in the not approved category

Simulation6,

I think some christian items could also be affected, like the bible. Cane and Able, crucifixion, etc are all in that book

xiwi,

Also incest

rautapekoni,

And circumcision of children.

xiwi,

Good vibes all around

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

No cell phone, no internet. Just people being people. Really living in the moment. Really knowing what its like to be human.

The good old days.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

Also encouraging your neighbors to rape your own daughters instead of the visiting angels.

xiwi,

Lmao I really need to read the bible in full on day

Rekorse,

Mutilation seems to imply more than just violence or killing. For example, Days Gone has a scene very early that involves flaying someone’s skin off, I would imagine that type of stuff would qualify.

SkunkWorkz,

Wouldn’t that have artistic value? Since that adds to the story.

Khanzarate,

That’s true but anyone agaimt its inclusion would just say it doesn’t add to the story. “Clearly it detracts from the story, as the player would be distracted by the horrific event instead of enjoying the game” -some hypothetical mastercard Exec, right before fining Valve.

It’s not a court, so there’s no appeal from that, unless there’s an appeal granted by the contract itself.

Rekorse,

They didnt have to show it so explicitly, although I’m not sure simply implying mutilation would qualify too.

Its hard to say what the right level of shock for that kind of thing is, it probably should just be restricted to adults only.

lightnsfw,

That’s the thing, who defines what artistic value is? I’ve seen some pretty creative pornography over the years. Is that artistic value? I’ve seen very creative depictions of violence and uses of profanity too. What about on the other end of the spectrum, Is Tetris have artistic value?

dzsimbo,

Tetris is artsy as shit, especially with that kickass score, Korobeiniki.

For a better example, maybe contrast it against the more generic marvel movies.

lightnsfw,

I was trying to keep it limited to gaming and Tetris was the most basic one that came to mind. How about Pong?

Also not knocking these games at all. Just trying to make a point.

Danquebec,

I think pornography is an “art” the same way gastronomy is an “art”. Both serve a simple function: one to arouse you, the other to be enjoyable food to eat.

I think the more general definition of art is something that generates more complex emotions and thoughts.

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part

All action movies should removed from streaming.

GaMEChld,

Diablo 2, corpse explosion!

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

Rust, just rust in general.

arin,

Oh did you not read the years and years of actions religious groups did to snuff games and movies?

Korhaka,

Right now in Rimworld I am sending child soldiers to bring more ammo to the mortars that are busy pounding away at some primitive tribesmen that are angry at me for dumping a few tons of toxic waste on their home or something.

Those that survive the mortar bombardment will be lobotomised and enslaved. If they have enough limbs remaining to be useful to me I will probably use a few of them as slaves and the rest will be sold to the empire. Any that the empire don’t want will be harvested for organs and dumped in a corpse pit.

I didn’t ask if the tribesmen consented to any of this.

confusedbytheBasics,

I keep trying to learn rimworld. I drop out of most tutorials some time after building a refrigerator. Any recommendations on how to get further along? This is a game I’ll love once I know it but I’m not there yet.

yeather,

Do the relaxed scenario girl and a lower difficulty for an easier time. Drop in a year round grow area, and mountainous area to mine a base into the mountain.

confusedbytheBasics,

Thanks for the tips. I have been using that storyteller and easy mode but picking a random temperate forest.

Korhaka,

Lower difficulty, in all present difficulty options the raid strength is determined largely based on your colony wealth. If you have massive towers of gold then expect big raids.

Even flooring adds up to wealth, massive rooms with carpets can become a non insignificant value. This isn’t to say don’t build them, but you should make sure a reasonable amount of your total wealth is invested into warfare. It can be quite easy to hoard things that are useless to you but have a fair bit of value to them.

confusedbytheBasics,

I didn’t know that. Thank you!

13igTyme,

Honestly, that’s pretty tame for Rimworld.

Danquebec,

Is there really a game that allows you to do all that??!!

AliasVortex,

Absolutely and more! We also have psychic powers, murder robots, friendly murder robots, vampires, genetic engineering, organized religion, semi-sentient plants, space ships, cannibals, space drugs, drugs in space, rabid woodland critters, eldritch horrors beyond comprehension, giant bugs, orbital bombardments, and also the looming threat of starvation as you watch all that you built burn. That’s all before we talk about things that the modding community has brought to the game.

To be clear, the RimWorld doesn’t force you into any one play style, and most of the things listed above can be disabled or avoided if that’s not your jam. At its core the game is trying to tell a story, it’s up to the player to help shape that story. It’s absolutely fantastic; quite literally the best $30 I’ve ever spent on a game (if we’re talking hours played, I’m just about to turn the corner on 2,000 hours (in the spirit of disclosure, a chunk of that is also spent making mods for the game)).

Duamerthrax,

Mortal Kombat is gone.

protogen420,

it would put circumcision too, but the USA doesn’t care

Electricd, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Maybe the payment processors lied?

regdog, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

I need to know from which game that screenshot is.

For research.

callouscomic,

Jennifer Lawrence Nude Leak Simulator? That’s what it looks like to me. Haha


Caption in the article says EroticGamesClub which appears to be a developer or publisher with a lot of sex shovelware (list of their supposed games).

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