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ordnance_qf_17_pounder, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

If nobody takes responsibility, then they should all just agree that this was a big misunderstanding and reinstate the titty games.

darthelmet, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Gotta love it when companies put something in their legal agreements that just says “we can do whatever the fuck we want.” Is the rest of the wall of text just there to hide that somewhere someone won’t read?

ZombiFrancis, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

“Mastercard did not communicate with Valve directly, despite our request to do so,"

Well now how did you make that request?

lmmarsano, (edited ) do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Direct link: Mastercard rule 5.12.7 Illegal or Brand-damaging Transactions

As much as we hate x, airing negative publicity over their attempt to deny responsibility by directly citing back their policy & asking questions might be good.

UltraGiGaGigantic, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
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I guess turn the boobs butts and dicks up to 10,000 then. In every game.

Its time for Gordon freeman to do unholy things with a headcrab!

samus12345,
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kinther,
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Oh god why did you have to put that image in my head. No wonder it hides in the vents

Appoxo,
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NONE_dc, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
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Collective Shout says it wasn’t their fault, MC and Visa say it wasn’t their fault, Steam and Itch say it wasn’t their fault. Conclusion? No one is to blame! No one did it! What’s more, it didn’t even happen!! it was all a figment of our imagination!

UltraGiGaGigantic,
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Gee golly I accidentally dropped internet privacy into the garbage and almost threw it out with the trash. Oops didnt mean to! Silly me.

Microw,
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I mean, PayPal has not denied responsibility so far. Which is pretty interesting

NONE_dc,
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They must be like the guy who is involved in the mischief but since he is not as visible as the others, he pretends that the issue is not with him to see if he gets away with it.

5too,

Which sounds to me like Steam and Itch could restore everything. Unless MC/Visa wants to publicly say they can’t?

AnUnusualRelic, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks to this mess, I ended up installing Wero.
Now I just have to find somewhere to use it… 😐

dreugeworst, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part

I feel like a strict reading of this rule would also put a lot of fighting games, shooters, horror games etc in the not approved category

Simulation6,

I think some christian items could also be affected, like the bible. Cane and Able, crucifixion, etc are all in that book

xiwi,

Also incest

rautapekoni,

And circumcision of children.

xiwi,

Good vibes all around

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

No cell phone, no internet. Just people being people. Really living in the moment. Really knowing what its like to be human.

The good old days.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

Also encouraging your neighbors to rape your own daughters instead of the visiting angels.

xiwi,

Lmao I really need to read the bible in full on day

Rekorse,

Mutilation seems to imply more than just violence or killing. For example, Days Gone has a scene very early that involves flaying someone’s skin off, I would imagine that type of stuff would qualify.

SkunkWorkz,

Wouldn’t that have artistic value? Since that adds to the story.

Khanzarate,

That’s true but anyone agaimt its inclusion would just say it doesn’t add to the story. “Clearly it detracts from the story, as the player would be distracted by the horrific event instead of enjoying the game” -some hypothetical mastercard Exec, right before fining Valve.

It’s not a court, so there’s no appeal from that, unless there’s an appeal granted by the contract itself.

Rekorse,

They didnt have to show it so explicitly, although I’m not sure simply implying mutilation would qualify too.

Its hard to say what the right level of shock for that kind of thing is, it probably should just be restricted to adults only.

lightnsfw,

That’s the thing, who defines what artistic value is? I’ve seen some pretty creative pornography over the years. Is that artistic value? I’ve seen very creative depictions of violence and uses of profanity too. What about on the other end of the spectrum, Is Tetris have artistic value?

dzsimbo,

Tetris is artsy as shit, especially with that kickass score, Korobeiniki.

For a better example, maybe contrast it against the more generic marvel movies.

lightnsfw,

I was trying to keep it limited to gaming and Tetris was the most basic one that came to mind. How about Pong?

Also not knocking these games at all. Just trying to make a point.

Danquebec,

I think pornography is an “art” the same way gastronomy is an “art”. Both serve a simple function: one to arouse you, the other to be enjoyable food to eat.

I think the more general definition of art is something that generates more complex emotions and thoughts.

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part

All action movies should removed from streaming.

GaMEChld,

Diablo 2, corpse explosion!

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

Rust, just rust in general.

arin,

Oh did you not read the years and years of actions religious groups did to snuff games and movies?

Korhaka,

Right now in Rimworld I am sending child soldiers to bring more ammo to the mortars that are busy pounding away at some primitive tribesmen that are angry at me for dumping a few tons of toxic waste on their home or something.

Those that survive the mortar bombardment will be lobotomised and enslaved. If they have enough limbs remaining to be useful to me I will probably use a few of them as slaves and the rest will be sold to the empire. Any that the empire don’t want will be harvested for organs and dumped in a corpse pit.

I didn’t ask if the tribesmen consented to any of this.

confusedbytheBasics,

I keep trying to learn rimworld. I drop out of most tutorials some time after building a refrigerator. Any recommendations on how to get further along? This is a game I’ll love once I know it but I’m not there yet.

yeather,

Do the relaxed scenario girl and a lower difficulty for an easier time. Drop in a year round grow area, and mountainous area to mine a base into the mountain.

confusedbytheBasics,

Thanks for the tips. I have been using that storyteller and easy mode but picking a random temperate forest.

Korhaka,

Lower difficulty, in all present difficulty options the raid strength is determined largely based on your colony wealth. If you have massive towers of gold then expect big raids.

Even flooring adds up to wealth, massive rooms with carpets can become a non insignificant value. This isn’t to say don’t build them, but you should make sure a reasonable amount of your total wealth is invested into warfare. It can be quite easy to hoard things that are useless to you but have a fair bit of value to them.

confusedbytheBasics,

I didn’t know that. Thank you!

13igTyme,

Honestly, that’s pretty tame for Rimworld.

Danquebec,

Is there really a game that allows you to do all that??!!

AliasVortex,

Absolutely and more! We also have psychic powers, murder robots, friendly murder robots, vampires, genetic engineering, organized religion, semi-sentient plants, space ships, cannibals, space drugs, drugs in space, rabid woodland critters, eldritch horrors beyond comprehension, giant bugs, orbital bombardments, and also the looming threat of starvation as you watch all that you built burn. That’s all before we talk about things that the modding community has brought to the game.

To be clear, the RimWorld doesn’t force you into any one play style, and most of the things listed above can be disabled or avoided if that’s not your jam. At its core the game is trying to tell a story, it’s up to the player to help shape that story. It’s absolutely fantastic; quite literally the best $30 I’ve ever spent on a game (if we’re talking hours played, I’m just about to turn the corner on 2,000 hours (in the spirit of disclosure, a chunk of that is also spent making mods for the game)).

Duamerthrax,

Mortal Kombat is gone.

protogen420,

it would put circumcision too, but the USA doesn’t care

Electricd, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Maybe the payment processors lied?

regdog, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

I need to know from which game that screenshot is.

For research.

callouscomic,

Jennifer Lawrence Nude Leak Simulator? That’s what it looks like to me. Haha


Caption in the article says EroticGamesClub which appears to be a developer or publisher with a lot of sex shovelware (list of their supposed games).

angrystego, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Isn’t every game NSFW? Funny how language works.

bryndos,

Are you suggesting "professional gamer" is not a real/worthwhile job?

Natanael,

It’s like being a miner, the job isn’t safe for work

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

Don’t dig straight down

fishy,

I only have about 20ish hours of work weekly and I’m on a hybrid schedule. My two days at home I’m essentially paid to game since I need to be available but don’t have anything to do. Am I a pro gamer now?

ipkpjersi,

My first work from home job was a lot like that. My next two after that were only like that sometimes.

fishy,

This same position in another company was a 60 hour job. They required all information to be shared in PowerPoint with images so I’d effectively spend 30 hours a week making presentations that lasted an hour or two at most, but could’ve been a chart in an email.

This spot started as 40 hours a week, but I automated most tasks and just don’t share the files and bi templates. They spend ten hours a week on a task I’ve automated to 30 minutes because their excel guru can’t figure out a formula I googled. They’re promoting me to a Sr. position with glowing reviews and I’ve never worked less in my life.

Korhaka,

I think I did a whole 4 hours of work last week. Really pushing myself lately.

fishy,

Dang, be sure not to overdo it. Don’t wanna burn out, y’know?

mx_smith,

Unless your work has been gamified. I play several games at work, one called Jira, another called GIT they aren’t super exciting but it’s a job.

NigelFrobisher, (edited )

Ironic though that gamification refers to features added to games to make them feel more like jobs (quotas, deadlines, milestones, certification etc).

merdaverse, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

“Mastercard did not communicate with Valve directly, despite our request to do so,” Valve’s statement sent over email to Kotaku reads. “Mastercard communicated with payment processors and their acquiring banks. Payment processors communicated this with Valve

This whole thing reads like a telephone game where nobody wants to take any responsibility.

bryndos,

At work when no one wants to pick up a task, I issue the "slopey shoulders" award.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mrmen/images/1/15/Mr_cheeky1.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20170519093913

rozodru,

they did the exact same thing in the porn industry. naturally Visa and MC didn’t communicate directly with the individual porn companies. So thats’ how places like CCBill and what have you took off. and then Visa and MC laid out their weird rules to CCBill who then passed it along to the individual companies.

MITM0, (edited )
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CollectiveShout did take responsibility & they’re Confirmed to be pedos, so what are we waiting for ?

Passerby6497,

Honestly, I don’t care if MasterCard doesn’t want to take responsibility. It was their rule and their intermediaries that caused the situation and they did not intervene when valve tried to reach out directly.

They are responsible through action or inaction, no matter how they try to deny it.

5too,

It seems like, if they’re publicly denying responsibility, Steam and Itch now have legal cover to restore everything.

I’m not a lawyer, etc. etc., but don’t public statements from these kinds of entities inform how these clauses can be enforced?

Petter1, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

I can’t imagine, that the delisted games lacked “serious artistic value“.

Proof me wrong!

(Joke is, you can’t proof that in any way)

GreenKnight23, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games
Decoy321,

Oh shit, that’s an old school reference. Poor Mr. Cheeseface.

For those unfamiliar, this is from an old National Lampoons magazine.

A few years later, someone actually shot that dog.

Grizzlyboy, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

I love how this has damaged Mastercards brand much more than anything Valve sells. MC would rather pressure Valve for selling NSFW games, than clean up billionaires buying and trafficking children.

Luouth,
@Luouth@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, Mastercard don’t deal with those transactions. Too traceable! Diplomatic narcotics and crypto have less of a paper trail…

BarbecueCowboy,

Mastercard is living the corporate dream. They’ve colluded their way to a near monopoly and don’t have to care about the value of their brand. They just have to be invisible enough that they don’t pull heat for something or other from various governments.

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