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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds, do games w [id Software, the] Studio Behind Doom [and Quake, Wolfenstein] Just Unionized

next doom we killin scabs

echodot, do games w [id Software, the] Studio Behind Doom [and Quake, Wolfenstein] Just Unionized

Good for them. Know one likes been ionized

IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds,

what's the difference between seals, and sea lions?a few electrons

Tigeroovy, do games w [id Software, the] Studio Behind Doom [and Quake, Wolfenstein] Just Unionized

Good.

Agent_Karyo, do games w [id Software, the] Studio Behind Doom [and Quake, Wolfenstein] Just Unionized

Good for them! While I don’t think unionization makes sense in all industries, game development is arguably a good fit for a collaborative approach to labour relations.

Complete tangent, but does anyone else find it strange that a gaming news site doesn’t use id Software in the headline? If you’re into video games, one would think you’ve heard about id Software; they basically created the modern FPS genre. That being said, I might be showing my age here and id Software was a much bigger deal (on a relative basis) in the 90s and 2000s.

Whostosay,

Out of curiosity, which industries should not unionize?

rtxn,

Chemistry. Gets really dull without ions.

Agent_Karyo,

For a second I thought you were being serious and I started wondering whether you meant the chemical production industry or the chemical engineering profession…

But then I realized that it would be pretty dull without ions. :)

Agent_Karyo,

Arguably the professional services industry (e.g. consulting, investment banking) isn’t a good fit for unionization. These aren’t verticals, but professions, but things like executive management and B2B sales also don’t seem like a good fit for unionization.

At the end of the day, in B2B sales all that matters is how much revenue you generate and it’s not like there is defined functional skillset for B2B sales that allows for “scale economies” in collective representation model.

mitram,

I had a hard time reading this comment. Could you rephrase it?

Are you saying that jobs that are paid by commission aren’t a good fit?

Agent_Karyo,

Consulting, investment banking are examples of industries that would not be a good fit for unionisation.

B2B sales, as a profession, irrespective of the industry in which these sales processes occur is not a good fit for unionisation.

rtxn, (edited )

(I’m not a lawyer, this comment should not be viewed as a credible source)

They probably mean professionals that are hired by clients on a retainer agreement as opposed to working for an employer on a permanent or semi-permanent basis. Legal advice, legal representation, financial advice, personal assistants, individual contractors, and so on.

One could make the argument that since the retainer is not an employment contract, and the retained professional is not one of many employees (instead usually individuals or small teams), then collective bargaining doesn’t make sense. The difference is that the retainer agreement is much more specific and favors the person whose services are retained, compared to employment contracts and labour laws in the USA. It’s also a legally binding contract and the client can be taken to court if it is breached (e.g. by withholding payment).

On the other hand, if those people are also employed by a company (e.g. a non-partner associate in a law firm) or employ other people in turn, then those people can (and should) also benefit from collective bargaining.

JackbyDev, (edited ) do gaming w Subnautica 2 Publisher Asked ChatGPT For Help Dumping Founders

Wait wait wait, these are the same clowns behind the KSP 2 fiasco? Wowwwww…

Edit: I misread

GammaGames,

Different company, that was Private Division. While searching to see if there were any connections I did find a funny quote they tried to use as an excuse to fire the leads though:

Krafton was not willing to take the risk of the resulting damage to the Subnautica franchise and the Company’s long-term reputation–a risk that, if materialized, would be irreversible, as shown with Kerbal Space Program 2

Considering how that turned out, lmao

JackbyDev,

I misread that, oops

Hadriscus, (edited ) do gaming w Subnautica 2 Publisher Asked ChatGPT For Help Dumping Founders

Hah ! incriminating evidence ? I don’t know how decisive is an email conversation printout.

edit I’m asking. Can we still ask things ?

GammaGames,

Emails are evidence, that’s why they’re entered into the record

Hadriscus,

nooice

GammaGames,

It is! The modern court system probably wouldn’t be able to function without allowing emails

Hadriscus,

cheers. I was in doubt because french justice famously disregarded a very incriminating recorded phone convo between Sarkozy and one of his accomplices. So I thought, maybe this is similar

DerisionConsulting,

I am just here to comment on your edit.

Maybe something is lost in translation, but it doesn’t read as if you are asking a question. But that you’re using the question as device to make your point.

Hadriscus,

ah ! thank you for chiming in. What point does it sound like I am making?

To clarify, I was trying to express the following : I hope these emails constitute incriminating evidence, but I cannot tell due to my complete lack of knowledge wrt US law.

DerisionConsulting,

The point it sounds like you are trying to make is “Email is not evidence.”

By writing “I don’t know how decisive is an email conversation printout.” after your question, it reads as if you ask the questions just so you can give your own answer.
By placing “Hah !” before the question also implies that the answer to the question is so obviously negative that it doesn’t need to be answered.

If you do both of those things, almost no one will see what you wrote as a question, at least in English. I don’t know Parisian French, so it might not read that way in other languages, and you might not have meant it that way.

danielhanrahantng, do gaming w Subnautica 2 Publisher Asked ChatGPT For Help Dumping Founders

That was stupid

cecilkorik, do gaming w Subnautica 2 Publisher Asked ChatGPT For Help Dumping Founders

The best thing that could happen is to have the Subnautica founders either settle with them to take back the IP (and ideally at least the payout they are owed), or utterly wipe the floor with them in court, and then use the damages awarded to create the true successor to Subnautica that it was always going to be without the interference, meddling and sabotage from Krafton.

Megaman_EXE, do gaming w Subnautica 2 Publisher Asked ChatGPT For Help Dumping Founders

Damn. That’s a huge shame. The first game was excellent. I was really hoping we would get something similar

Aaron,

Have you tried Below Zero? I know some didn’t like it as there was a lot more on-land play, but I thought it was pretty good.

Megaman_EXE,

I have played it! I thought the water gameplay was pretty good, but the on land was not my favorite.

I really liked the cyclops submarine as a mobile base. It just felt like it made the underwater sections feel claustrophobic and dangerous at every turn once you encountered the larger leviathans. I missed it a lot in below zero

Faydaikin,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

The really sad part is that the studio, as is, only has Below Zero and Moonbreaker to show for. Not the best portfolio to be honest.

And with everything else going on now on top of it, I’m starting to think Subnautica will remain a one-hit-wonder.

DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w Subnautica 2 Publisher Asked ChatGPT For Help Dumping Founders

This game is dead chief. Or you’re going to wish it’s going to be dead if it ever releases

GammaGames,

Yeaaah, it might sell okay but there’s no way it gets a positive rating on steam after all the controversy. The people in charge are really bad at their job

Kissaki, do gaming w One Of The Best Games Ever Turns 25, And You Still Can't Buy It

It’s in the name after all. “No one lives forever”. Ironic.

imetators, do gaming w One Of The Best Games Ever Turns 25, And You Still Can't Buy It

20 years for Most Wanted too. Can’t buy this legendary game anywhere, yarr.

SweetCitrusBuzz, do gaming w One Of The Best Games Ever Turns 25, And You Still Can't Buy It
@SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

The website they link to really needs https. There’s no reason not to have it since it’s free nowadays. Seems dodgy not to have it.

boonhet,

It really doesn’t, on a technical level.

You’re not sending them any data. None that they send you is unique to you. There’s no real benefit in encrypting it.

colourlessidea,

There’s no real benefit in encrypting it.

When you request a website over http your ISP can intercept the request (this is how captive portals for free WiFi work, and the reason for the existence of pages like captive.apple.com to be HTTP-only). IIRC they can also insert whatever they want to on the web page, I believe there was a case a while back of ISPs doing that.

boonhet,

Oh, right. I forgot American ISPs are allowed to pull shit like that. I don’t think this would fly where I live. I also don’t use public WiFi, because why would I even

Kissaki,

None that they send you is unique to you.

By not transporting via https you can not be sure about that, because you can’t be sure it’s them sending you the data.

An injecting proxy could add ads, or scams to the content.

It may not make a difference on the sending end, but it does on the receiving end.

Coelacanth, do gaming w One Of The Best Games Ever Turns 25, And You Still Can't Buy It
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

I know it was very original and different back in the day, but is it really one of the “best game ever”?

theangriestbird,
@theangriestbird@beehaw.org avatar

Sometimes you are in the cult of a cult classic, and so that game feels like one of the best ever. I will still come out and say the same about my old faves, like Guild Wars 1 or Phantom Dust. I exaggerate to express how good I think these games were!

Eldritch,
@Eldritch@piefed.world avatar

Everything is of course subjective. But it was a unique concept and execution. With solid gameplay and decent graphics in an era known for originating the boomer shooter and all its clones.

If you crave run and gun, probably not. But if you enjoy the kitschy, retro James Bond, Secret Agent aesthetic. And very early, but decent female protagonist. It's a lot of fun.

Coelacanth,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

The writing, setting and concept were charming and the art direction is good which means despite being polygonally challenged I don’t mind the way it looks. Great soundtrack too. That being said I tried playing it earlier this year for the first time and it just struck me as one of those games that have aged like fine milk mechanically. It really really wants you to be a stealthy spy sneaking around and being non-lethal yet the stealth gameplay felt terrible, and going guns blazing wasn’t particularly fun either as gunplay in these old games is hard for me to enjoy having gotten used to modern FPSes. And it doesn’t help that the guns blazing approach forces you to listen to a constant soundtrack of blaring alarms, which frankly was hard for me to deal with.

I couldn’t make myself finish it despite really wanting to be able to say I’ve played it, but maybe I’ll give it another go some day. At least I don’t think it’s all that long.

Eldritch,
@Eldritch@piefed.world avatar

That can definitely be said about a lot of classics from that era. Things have changed a lot since then for better and for worse. It's an absolutely unique experience, though. I would love to see a more modern take on it if it were possible.

Coelacanth,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

For me in general I think FPS games have aged the worst. There is such a big part of the pleasure that comes from animations, gunplay, recoil implementation, enemy AI, ragdolls, hit effects… I have a much easier time playing something like Fallout 1&2 - which are even older but have mechanics that are more timeless.

But yeah it was definitely a time in gaming where technological advancements felt like they were happening at an exponentially increasing pace. Comparing games from 2000 with just a few years later is like night and day. Splinter Cell came out only two years after NOLF and that’s a stealth game that’s aged spectacularly. And even Monolith’s own F.E.A.R. came out in 2005 and feels like one of the first truly modern shooters - one that still really holds up well.

GrantUsEyes,

polygonally challenged

(⁀ᗢ⁀)

I always enjoy reading your comments!

NoneOfUrBusiness, do gaming w One Of The Best Games Ever Turns 25, And You Still Can't Buy It

Eh, just pirate it.

theangriestbird,
@theangriestbird@beehaw.org avatar

That is the implicit message of the article.

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