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NightOwl, do gaming w Epic Games Admits In Court That Its PC Store Still Isn't Profitable

They started out pissing off Steam users with Metro Exodus going exclusives and pulling it from Steam. Not a great first impression and a lasting one at that. Not everyone will care and will buy from epic, but alienating a whole bunch of Steam’s core users off the bat is probably going to ensure they’ll never win them over.

I claim games from epic and have bought from even origin and uplay, but I’ll probably never spend any money at epic.

thingsiplay, do gaming w So, Uh, What's Up With The Steam Awards?
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People will never be satisfied with awards. Let the community choose? You get popularity contest. Let the review outlets choose? Then you get only a certain kind of games to win the contest. Steam is very community focused in most of their recommendations and in this case, awards. This has ups and downs and sometimes its stupid. In case of RDR2 who knows what the reason was why they chose this game. It might be an attempt to troll in mass. Or a misunderstanding.

I take awards as one kind of view and never in isolation. Context matters. So I ignore those where I think it is stupid awards, like Starfield and RDR2, and look at the other candidates. And the other categories as well. And then move on with my life. Just like with the other award shows. Who cares what game won what award? It rarely impacts my choice.

all-knight-party, do gaming w So, Uh, What's Up With The Steam Awards?
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I feel as if the Starfield and RDR2 awards almost have to be sarcastically awarded.

Rayspekt,

The Starfield one has to be a result of sarcasm, there's no way. I burst with laughter when I saw that one.

WHYAREWEALLCAPS, do gaming w Whoa, Alan Wake II’s PC Requirements Aren’t Screwing Around

Not worried. Being an Epic exclusive, I have zero interest in playing this game.

conciselyverbose, do gaming w You Can Now Play Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1+2 Offline, But There's A Catch

What a douche move lol.

It would be less disrespectful just to leave the steamdeck version equally fucked than to openly slap people in the face with "it's arbitrary, but fuck you".

Caligvla, do games w Zelda-Inspired Plucky Squire Shows What Happens When A Game Doesn't Trust Its Players
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This is less a sign of “the devs don’t trust the player” and more just plain out bad game design. Maybe the game itself is very obvious (I don’t know, i haven’t played nor do I intend to), but this kind of thing is usually done when the game is obtuse and the developer wants a quickfix instead of actually reworking the entire thing. Then again, if your game is for little children and they can’t figure out how to play it, then there’s something fundamentally wrong with it and maybe you should go back to the drawing board.

Wanderer, do games w Zelda-Inspired Plucky Squire Shows What Happens When A Game Doesn't Trust Its Players

Ah yes Kotaku, who’s activist openly try to destroy games with Sweet Baby Inc. and their dogshit woke agenda.

This site needs to die, same as IGN aka Kotaku 2. Nobody wants them, nobody needs them and everything is run by worthless activist.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

I would say that if you non-jokingly talk like that, you got bigger issues than any specific gaming sites or which consultants are brought in to work on which game.

LaserTurboShark69,

Yikes

Netrunner1197,

Brother touch grass I beg of you

pipariturbiini, do gaming w The Plucky Squire Should Have More Faith In Its Players

Handholding something something Outer Wilds recommendation.

intensely_human, do games w Zelda-Inspired Plucky Squire Shows What Happens When A Game Doesn't Trust Its Players

That’s kind of the definition of a video game: a game in which the rules are enforced by an unconsciously intelligent mechanism.

A normal game requires trusting the players; a video game does not.

kaffiene,

Pretty sure you misunderstood the point being made.

thejevans, do gaming w The Plucky Squire Should Have More Faith In Its Players
@thejevans@lemmy.ml avatar

I played through it yesterday. It was interesting, and there were fun story beats, but it was very easy. With all the accessibility features and tutorials, it’s probably a great game to get people who don’t play games interested in platforming games and maybe even some RPGs.

hate2bme, do games w Zelda-Inspired Plucky Squire Shows What Happens When A Game Doesn't Trust Its Players

Either a shit article or shit website. The article gives a summary of the game then says the developers don’t trust their customers. That’s it. No reasons given. Am I missing something?

BradleyUffner,

There is a “continue reading” link buried several pages down, past a bunch of ads. Took me way to long to find it.

Looks like this:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bf278436-784e-425b-9801-c1b40ea76208.png

hate2bme,

I seen them but I seen a bunch of them and didn’t know which one was for the article I was reading. Lol

skulblaka,
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There’s a section under the “read more” split where it complains about over-tutorialization. The game hits you over the head with puzzle solutions and intended routes and leaves nothing for the player to figure out.

hate2bme,

So trash website, got it.

TheDarksteel94, do gaming w The Plucky Squire Should Have More Faith In Its Players

On the other hand, there’s a lot of people who need to be handheld through the experience. Maybe this is even their first ever video game.

Ideally, it would be an optional thing, but oh well.

ByteOnBikes, (edited )

I don’t think their implementation is the way to go. It reeks of bad UI, like Clippy in Microsoft Word.

Mario games are so accessible without the heavy handed videos/stops, because their designers think about how to best teach the player through play.

It’s like teaching by giving people a hour long lecture vs hands-on experience - there’s usecases for both, but in a interactive medium like gaming, one is superior than the other.

theangriestbird,

Ideally, it would be an optional thing, but oh well.

Yeah tons of games ask you at the start of the game, like “have you played this kind of game before?” Def seems clumsy for a game that otherwise seems pretty well thought out.

DdCno1,

I have seen people (in person and on the Internet) click tutorials away, proceed to utterly fail at the most basic tasks only to then blame the game and the developers, including in reviews. I don’t blame developers for trying to prevent this from happening.

theangriestbird,

Idk if that’s a useful example case. Streamers are under pressure from their audience to be entertaining, so they will frequently skip tutorials against their better judgment bc tutorials aren’t fun to watch. I can’t speak to your irl examples, but it’s possible that there was a similar dynamic happening there. At least, I can say that I have personally felt a similar pressure when playing games while other people are watching me.

Edit: user reviews are good example, though. I could see a dev over-tutorializing bc they are anxious about negative user reviews.

Blackmist,

It is optional isn’t it?

Minibeard is there for if you get stuck. The puzzles just aren’t really hard unless you’re really not used to games at all.

Honestly the hardest part was the rhythm and bubble shooter sections at the end.

OrangeEnot, do gaming w The Plucky Squire Should Have More Faith In Its Players

Started playing It Takes Two recently. The game introduces basic controls, and that’s that, no additional tutorials, no hints how to solve puzzles, no characters telling you what to do next when you are “stuck” (many games have these annoying verbal hints when you do nothing for a minute, this one respects its players). It has a lot of places where players can simply play around with mechanics and see what happens, just for the joy of exploration and not some immediate gain.

And it reminded me of playing Spyro back in my childhood days, a feeling I didn’t think I’d ever get from any game again. The only downside is that the characters are surprisingly cruel at times, the game’s creators certainly lack empathy.

SolarMonkey,

I feel like the point of that in it takes two is communication. It’s pretty heavy-handed in the whole “sort out your shit amongst yourselves” theme, and it’s sort of meant as a way for a gamer to get a non-gamer into gaming, so you’d have one person with the skillz leading the other through challenges.

Or at least that’s how it played out with me. The person I was playing with is also a gamer but not really environmental/puzzle games (and easily frustrated) so it was sort of playing around with what to do and walking each other through - calling out timing and stuff, etc.

It’s a very interesting take on co-op, imho.

If you like small people in huge environments, exploring, and not being super hand-held, tinykin is a cute game, not super long, it does sort of a bit guide you through some major things but not in a particularly obnoxious way. Mostly just exploring on your own. :)

OrangeEnot,

Our experience’s different. I’m playing with my husband, and he’s generally better at aiming and shooting, while I’m better at platformer aspects, and the characters we ended up playing are sort of wired in the right way for us, haha. Co-op is definitely super enjoyable in this game.

I’ll check Tinykin out!

Thavron,
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COLLABORATION!

altima_neo, (edited ) do gaming w The Plucky Squire Should Have More Faith In Its Players
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

This games been getting a lot of press for some reason, but it really doesn’t look appealing to me. But the tutorial stuff really seals the deal for me.

Templa, (edited )

There’s a plot/gameplay twist which I already got spoiled on (Thanks dunkey)

ByteOnBikes,

It just came out (on Switch no less) and it’s visually interesting. I didn’t buy it yet. I’ve bookmarked it to see if a future update removes all this.

ByteOnBikes, (edited ) do gaming w The Plucky Squire Should Have More Faith In Its Players

I’m currently playing UFO 50, which is a game by Derek Yu and friends. The games are “fake” 1980s NES games. You pick a random game out of the list of 50 and there’s little to no instructions on how to play any of the games.

You just press start and see where it takes you, just like classic games.

There’s a lot of joy in discovery.

chloyster,

Gotta agree on UFO 50. It’s an absolutely stellar game. I’ve mostly dropped plucky squire in favor of it, although I do want to at least finish it

Exec,
@Exec@pawb.social avatar

Is that a modern take on Action 52?

chloyster,

More or less. It’s like action 52 but good.

It also has a whole fake narrative tied to it. The collection is 50 games released by the company “UFO Soft,” a fake game company. Each game has little blurbs on its history. Some games have multiple entries to their series, some are one off. Others are “spiritual successors” to others. It’s a whole little universe in the game. And even though not every game so far has been for me, they are all at the least creative and interesting. And some games I absolutely adore and want to play through to the end asap. I’ve only just touched the 25th game and have ~ 15 hours. And I know some will take me a long time. There are also secrets to find outside of the 50 games. The menu has a terminal and you can find hidden codes that give God modes to games, and some provide hidden lore of the universe this game company exists in

steal_your_face,
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

I mean most (if not all) classic games had instructions on how to play the game in the manual.

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