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NightOwl, do gaming w Epic Games Admits In Court That Its PC Store Still Isn't Profitable

They started out pissing off Steam users with Metro Exodus going exclusives and pulling it from Steam. Not a great first impression and a lasting one at that. Not everyone will care and will buy from epic, but alienating a whole bunch of Steam’s core users off the bat is probably going to ensure they’ll never win them over.

I claim games from epic and have bought from even origin and uplay, but I’ll probably never spend any money at epic.

thingsiplay, do gaming w So, Uh, What's Up With The Steam Awards?
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People will never be satisfied with awards. Let the community choose? You get popularity contest. Let the review outlets choose? Then you get only a certain kind of games to win the contest. Steam is very community focused in most of their recommendations and in this case, awards. This has ups and downs and sometimes its stupid. In case of RDR2 who knows what the reason was why they chose this game. It might be an attempt to troll in mass. Or a misunderstanding.

I take awards as one kind of view and never in isolation. Context matters. So I ignore those where I think it is stupid awards, like Starfield and RDR2, and look at the other candidates. And the other categories as well. And then move on with my life. Just like with the other award shows. Who cares what game won what award? It rarely impacts my choice.

all-knight-party, do gaming w So, Uh, What's Up With The Steam Awards?
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I feel as if the Starfield and RDR2 awards almost have to be sarcastically awarded.

Rayspekt,

The Starfield one has to be a result of sarcasm, there's no way. I burst with laughter when I saw that one.

WHYAREWEALLCAPS, do gaming w Whoa, Alan Wake II’s PC Requirements Aren’t Screwing Around

Not worried. Being an Epic exclusive, I have zero interest in playing this game.

conciselyverbose, do gaming w You Can Now Play Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1+2 Offline, But There's A Catch

What a douche move lol.

It would be less disrespectful just to leave the steamdeck version equally fucked than to openly slap people in the face with "it's arbitrary, but fuck you".

QuantumEyetanglement, do games w IGN Boss Leaving After Six Years Following Latest Mass Layoff

Game Informer is back! With the magazine and everything!

underline960, do games w IGN Boss Leaving After Six Years Following Latest Mass Layoff

I’d rate IGN a 7/10. It has a little bit of something for everyone.

DrFistington, do games w IGN Boss Leaving After Six Years Following Latest Mass Layoff

Other than being in existence longer than pretty much any other game review platform, ign still isn’t that great, or accurate. Reviews have been meh for the last decade or more.

Now PC Accel, THAT was a fucking gaming magazine

QuoVadisHomines,

Next Gen was the high standard for English language gaming magazines.

DrFistington,

I still have most of my old next Gen issues, with the demo CD roms. I think I have the entire run of PC Accel, which unfortunately was just way too ahead of it’s time. Look up the story if your can find it, it was pulling in more and more subscribers every month but the publisher scrapped it because basically, it was subversive, it was 18+, it was viciously critical of games and the industry when warranted but also gave the best praise to those that earned it. It was the non-douche precursor to Maxim(if you can believe such a thing exists).

It’s a sad story, after they got shuttered, the lead editor and several others put most of their own money on the line to try and restart the company publish new issues, but this was long before the Internet had any social immediacy. Subscribers mostly didn’t hear about them trying to restart, there was no real forum or community where people could keep up on the topic and join the cause. I found out like 4 months after they tried to restart and was devastated, I had no idea and would have resubscribed in a heart beat.

It’s also really shady how the publisher discontinued it. I had already subscribed for the next two years and I think they canceled it with like a year and a few months left and so then I just started to get PC gamer, not even a refund.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

I’m not going to pretend that I read many of the zombie outlets.

But understand that games media (and most other news media) has been getting gutted for closer to 20 years than not. The only reason so many outlets are even SLIGHTLY good is because of people like John Davison working their ass off to fight for every single inch.

So maybe, just maybe, we could avoid “Whatever, they suck so fuck 'em” levels of posts? Focus more on what got games media to this state rather than self-righteous apathy.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Don’t they call IGN in China 8GN or something like that because every review they posted for a while was an 8?

fluxion, do games w IGN Boss Leaving After Six Years Following Latest Mass Layoff

I thought it got caught up in the whole gamergate thing but don’t remember the details.

Squizzy, do games w IGN Boss Leaving After Six Years Following Latest Mass Layoff

I cant specifically remember what IGN did to make me avoid it. There was a revoly.on reddit years ago that stuck with me.

They also rank shit games high and are a but boring, but I think maybe there was a lot of ads or something.

tacosanonymous,

It was catered toward the masses. If you were already in the know or had specific tastes, it wasn’t for you.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

IGN and Gamespot were basically the legacy (text) web media in the US. And they definitely both tried to rely on ad revenue for a lot longer than The Internet would tolerate it.

So basically every single youtuber trying to make a name for themselves attacked it. Because old media are corrupt and you can only trust this new channel who would never try to sell you anything so let’s play some Raid Shadow Legends". Which then ballooned when we had folk like totalbiscuit and gamergate both actively arguing that all these old game journos are corrupt because they… speak to the people they interact with on a daily basis or whatever that nonsense was.

We saw similar with the rise of twitch streamers where they would be really quick to paint all the youtubers as corrupt shills because they take sponsor deals and totally only say positive things about games because they are getting money under the table. Now time for twelve ads in a row before grinding to take part in the twitch rivals event next month!

qarbone,

Whoa, what the hell. How are you throwing Totalbiscuit and the entirety of GamerGate’s scandals and social furor into the same, offhand pile?

John was strongly opinionated and enjoyed being a bit of a smug ass as his online persona, but he was mainly about making games more accessible by advocating for more, and more inclusive, settings for all the games he played.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Bain’s schtick came down to three key points:

  • “Ethics in games journalism”: Bain 100% spearheaded the “All of old media is corrupt and lying to you because of sponsorships” and the gamergate crowd used him to legitimize them. Plenty of webcomics of the era did a “I am not a bad person and I don’t condone what all these angry people saying the exact same thing are doing but… maybe you should listen to us. Err, me” style joke with the mouthpiece looking a LOT like Bain
  • He would pretty regularly do “I am gonna get cancelled” level jokes on his podcast with Cox and Dodger and would go off on wild ass tangents about how it is “okay for women to look pretty” and so forth any time someone complained about oversexualized male gaze wank fantasies.
  • “Let’s look at the options menu”: On the surface this is really good. In practice it was yet another case of “Those evil devs are trying to fuck us” because he was active in an era where PC games were very much third class citizens for all of what we would now consider “third parties”. Like, we were genuinely lucky to even GET a Sands of Time PC release and much of the “lazy devs” rhetoric goes back to people like him

His legacy is a complex one. I’ll fully admit to loving his videos because he was speaking as a PC Gamer at a time when it felt like all the major publishers were abandoning us. That said, even as a young’n in the software development world (and a hobbyist gamedev) most of his rhetoric felt unnecessarily meanspirited and like it was focused on the people coding the games and not the people paying them and setting deliverables (one of the early hints that I leaned a hell of a lot more left than right…). And I mostly dropped his podcast because it increasingly felt like he was doing the same shit whichever dipshit at Penny Arcade was doing where the slightest pushback led to “I AM THE GREATEST VICTIM THIS WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN!!!”. And… he was very much a well to do British man when it came to his stances on LGBTQ and there was a LOT of transphobia that we’ll just pretend was ignorance.

But Bain wasn’t the only influencer I enjoyed content from. And as gamergate increasingly kicked off, it became painfully obvious that the guy who still insisted “ethics in games journalism” was the true divider was saying almost the exact same talking points as the people who literally put someone I semi-regularly chatted with on IRC into hiding. Not to mention some of the biggest targets of the hate movement were people he had “feuded with” for years. And when he finally DID address things, it was very much a “They have some good points but I don’t agree with how they are going about it”. Its unclear exactly when he knew about his cancer but many people (self included) suspect the reason he never really spoke out against gamergate is because he didn’t want to risk his money train and… I get it but also he was still profiting off the suffering of others to an obscene degree.

Skimming through it, forbes.com/…/totalbiscuits-legacy-and-the-collate… is a pretty good summary of a lot of the controversies of Bain’s career written shortly after his death. And I vaguely recall Eordogh being a regular contributor during the good years of Vice/Motherboard for what that is worth.

But yeah. I think the general take is that, at best, Bain was a useful idiot. At worst… he was the asmongold of his time right down to constantly framing things as people trying to steal your gu—err games. But there is very much a reason he is often considered the face of gamergate.

JustTheWind, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

We totally didn’t do that! Valve and other merchants obviously kept receipts.

I almost love how normalized flagrant lying has become in the corpo-political sphere. They’ve become so emboldened by just telling whatever unbelievable lie they want and expecting to get away with it. If it’s not catastrophically illegal to do so, they just lie. I don’t take anything not said under oath seriously anymore, and even then, I take it with a grain of salt.

reksas, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

since they deny it, then everyone should just revert whatever was done to censor stuff.

haloduder, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

I’m voting for Donald Trump because of Collective Shout.

Since neither candidate represents the working class and all we have is a culture war, I’m going to fight back against censorship wherever I can.

All of the people on the left pushing censorship and attacking freedom of speech are directly responsible for driving me further to the right.

SmilingSolaris,

Upset about conservatives and their puritanical practices. Votes for puritanical conservatives. What, do you think because he fucks kids he will allow your gooner game?

haloduder,

Useful idiots on the left are the only ones attacking freedom of speech, saying its a dogwhistle.

Useful idiots on the left are the only ones trying to control narratives by controlling what information people are allowed to share.

SmilingSolaris,

My brother in Christ they are a self proclaimed anti queer conservative organization. Do you want to be right? Do you care if you’re correct or not? Or do you want to blame everything on the ghosts in your head?

rmrf,

Ah yes, because the left wing is famous for the proliferation of requiring a government issued ID to use the internet in ways that make them uncomfortable.

pahlimur,

You are one of the worst cucks I’ve ever seen. Go read this guy’s comment history, holy shit.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

But the people on the right are also pushing for censorship. You’re just choosing what flavour of censorship.

In America you don’t have any other parties with more moderate idealogies either. It’s either the one or the other.

So before you go voting for a literal criminal as the opposition, why not first burn down your shitty system and rebuild something better.

haloduder,

The people on the right aren’t censoring me for disagreeing with them.

Tattorack,
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You’re really not paying attention, then. Because that’s exactly what they’re doing.

haloduder,

Where? I can say whatever I want on 4chan, but I come to any of the liberal social media sites and get banned for disagreeing with the crowd.

Tattorack,
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Sure buddy. Let’s just ignore Twatter and Facebook like that.

TerdFerguson,

Freedom of speech is not the same thing as "freedom from consequences for saying something idiotic’

pahlimur,

You aren’t being banned. You’re are being fact checked, cuck.

FlyingCircus,

Collective Shout is a conservative organization you numbskull.

haloduder,

So that means the left isn’t censoring me as much as the right?

FlyingCircus,

Tbh liberals love censorship as much as conservatives (see the proscription of Palestine Action in the UK).

But it’s a bit silly saying you are going to vote for a conservative because a conservative group is censoring you.

haloduder,

These are Australian conservatives, they don’t value freedom of speech as much as American conservatives.

They are willing to abuse censorship to push their agendas, just like American liberals.

FlyingCircus,

You know that American conservatives have been banning books from libraries, and banning topics like racism and homophobia from being talked about in schools, right? American conservatives love censoring anything they don’t agree with. They are the original snowflakes.

I suspect your butt is just chapped because you can’t drop a hard “r” on BlueSky.

13igTyme,

You’re a good example of the average dumbass American.

SmilingSolaris,

Hi. Texas conservatives in Houston took over the city schools and removed libraries to create a prison inside the school itself. Fuck you and your talks of censorship. You don’t know censorship and think the conservacucks don’t do it because they ain’t targeting your white cis heterosexual ass. You have no opinion worth censoring because your just that white bread bland.

simsalabim,

I guess only in a country that is so far leaning on the right thinks that liberals are “on the left”.

FlyingCircus,

Well that’s why I didn’t say “leftists.” But if we’re continuing to be honest, leftist governments also censor. I don’t think you can find any ideology that doesn’t censor, actually.

MithranArkanere,

Collective Shout is a conservative, forced-birth anti-trans sex-nagative women-patronizing christian organization masquerading as feminist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Tankard_Reist

They call themselves “feminist” but they are as “feminist” as the guys who finally allowed women to drive in Saudia Arabia.

BipolarSilence,

This is what we call ragebait! There’s too much going on in the news to even bother with this type of ‘person’.

haloduder,

Not really. You don’t like what I have to say, so you’re trying to get me censored by crying ‘ragebait.’

You’re another example of why censorship on the left drives people further to the right.

I’m going to block you now since I can tell you need the last reply.

13igTyme,

That’s some strong protection. You’ve spent the last hour getting the last word in on everyone replying to you.

5too,

That’s not censorship. That’s just social consequences.

CromulantCrow,

Don’t feed the trolls.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy,

Voting for Donald Trump in which election?

He’s on his last legal term

Atomic,

I’m sorry. Did you just say you want to vote Trump because you think they’re against censorship? The guy that threatens journalists, and politicians that report or say bad things about them. Do you not think that’s censorship?

I don’t even have a bone in this fight. I just want to understand the thought process.

waterSticksToMyBalls,

Censorship means different things to different people. For those on the left censorship means suppression of liberal ideas, suppression of journalism exposing corruption and brutality, suppression of peoples history. For those on the right censorship means they can’t say the n word anymore.

Would you care to guess what censorship means to haloduder?

Atomic,

No don’t want to guess. I’d rather ask him directly instead of making assumptions.

JcbAzPx,

You mean the guy that is president right now, while this is happening, that is doing nothing about it because he’s too busy dealing with his pedophile rape escapades becoming public knowledge?

Railing5132,

Not to mention: the guy that can’t run for president again (yet)

8000gnat,

reddthat please please add a downvote option

big_slap,
haloduder, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

So much fucking censorship and agenda-pushing on the internet.

It makes me sick how many useful idiots are being herded like sheep just to satisfy those with more money than them.

surph_ninja, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network.

As Valve correctly points out, this is a blatant & outright lie. They have cut off any number of legal entities over pressure from politicians or groups. Now they have to own it.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

I mean, their own Rule 5.12.7 has that “or” in it, which includes transactions that are fully lawful but “may damage the goodwill of the corporation”.

Atomic,

You will find such language pretty much everywhere. And there are reasons for it. A good example are certain drugs that are technically not illegal. Because they have not been officially classified yet.

That used to be a thing here in Sweden some time ago, where they’d just change some little compound and could technically, legally sell it online until it was deemed otherwise. Because it’s now technically a new formula. Once it was classified, they just repeated the proceas.

MasterCard might not want to be seen as an enabler in the drug trade. So while it’s technically legal. They don’t want anything to do with it. And would like the option to take action.

And according to the articles. It’s not MasterCard pointing to that regulation, but the processors. As MasterCard notes. They’re not a bank, they’re not processing your payment. They just provide the technology to do so.

Furthermore. I’m quite amazed that people seem to think Valve is this really good company that we can all trust and take their word on. Valve says one thing. MasterCard says another. I wouldn’t take either one of them on just their word. Better to take a step back, and see how it develops so you don’t make yourself a useful idiot.

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