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Squizzy, do games w IGN Boss Leaving After Six Years Following Latest Mass Layoff

I cant specifically remember what IGN did to make me avoid it. There was a revoly.on reddit years ago that stuck with me.

They also rank shit games high and are a but boring, but I think maybe there was a lot of ads or something.

tacosanonymous,

It was catered toward the masses. If you were already in the know or had specific tastes, it wasn’t for you.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

IGN and Gamespot were basically the legacy (text) web media in the US. And they definitely both tried to rely on ad revenue for a lot longer than The Internet would tolerate it.

So basically every single youtuber trying to make a name for themselves attacked it. Because old media are corrupt and you can only trust this new channel who would never try to sell you anything so let’s play some Raid Shadow Legends". Which then ballooned when we had folk like totalbiscuit and gamergate both actively arguing that all these old game journos are corrupt because they… speak to the people they interact with on a daily basis or whatever that nonsense was.

We saw similar with the rise of twitch streamers where they would be really quick to paint all the youtubers as corrupt shills because they take sponsor deals and totally only say positive things about games because they are getting money under the table. Now time for twelve ads in a row before grinding to take part in the twitch rivals event next month!

qarbone,

Whoa, what the hell. How are you throwing Totalbiscuit and the entirety of GamerGate’s scandals and social furor into the same, offhand pile?

John was strongly opinionated and enjoyed being a bit of a smug ass as his online persona, but he was mainly about making games more accessible by advocating for more, and more inclusive, settings for all the games he played.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Bain’s schtick came down to three key points:

  • “Ethics in games journalism”: Bain 100% spearheaded the “All of old media is corrupt and lying to you because of sponsorships” and the gamergate crowd used him to legitimize them. Plenty of webcomics of the era did a “I am not a bad person and I don’t condone what all these angry people saying the exact same thing are doing but… maybe you should listen to us. Err, me” style joke with the mouthpiece looking a LOT like Bain
  • He would pretty regularly do “I am gonna get cancelled” level jokes on his podcast with Cox and Dodger and would go off on wild ass tangents about how it is “okay for women to look pretty” and so forth any time someone complained about oversexualized male gaze wank fantasies.
  • “Let’s look at the options menu”: On the surface this is really good. In practice it was yet another case of “Those evil devs are trying to fuck us” because he was active in an era where PC games were very much third class citizens for all of what we would now consider “third parties”. Like, we were genuinely lucky to even GET a Sands of Time PC release and much of the “lazy devs” rhetoric goes back to people like him

His legacy is a complex one. I’ll fully admit to loving his videos because he was speaking as a PC Gamer at a time when it felt like all the major publishers were abandoning us. That said, even as a young’n in the software development world (and a hobbyist gamedev) most of his rhetoric felt unnecessarily meanspirited and like it was focused on the people coding the games and not the people paying them and setting deliverables (one of the early hints that I leaned a hell of a lot more left than right…). And I mostly dropped his podcast because it increasingly felt like he was doing the same shit whichever dipshit at Penny Arcade was doing where the slightest pushback led to “I AM THE GREATEST VICTIM THIS WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN!!!”. And… he was very much a well to do British man when it came to his stances on LGBTQ and there was a LOT of transphobia that we’ll just pretend was ignorance.

But Bain wasn’t the only influencer I enjoyed content from. And as gamergate increasingly kicked off, it became painfully obvious that the guy who still insisted “ethics in games journalism” was the true divider was saying almost the exact same talking points as the people who literally put someone I semi-regularly chatted with on IRC into hiding. Not to mention some of the biggest targets of the hate movement were people he had “feuded with” for years. And when he finally DID address things, it was very much a “They have some good points but I don’t agree with how they are going about it”. Its unclear exactly when he knew about his cancer but many people (self included) suspect the reason he never really spoke out against gamergate is because he didn’t want to risk his money train and… I get it but also he was still profiting off the suffering of others to an obscene degree.

Skimming through it, forbes.com/…/totalbiscuits-legacy-and-the-collate… is a pretty good summary of a lot of the controversies of Bain’s career written shortly after his death. And I vaguely recall Eordogh being a regular contributor during the good years of Vice/Motherboard for what that is worth.

But yeah. I think the general take is that, at best, Bain was a useful idiot. At worst… he was the asmongold of his time right down to constantly framing things as people trying to steal your gu—err games. But there is very much a reason he is often considered the face of gamergate.

DrFistington, do games w IGN Boss Leaving After Six Years Following Latest Mass Layoff

Other than being in existence longer than pretty much any other game review platform, ign still isn’t that great, or accurate. Reviews have been meh for the last decade or more.

Now PC Accel, THAT was a fucking gaming magazine

QuoVadisHomines,

Next Gen was the high standard for English language gaming magazines.

DrFistington,

I still have most of my old next Gen issues, with the demo CD roms. I think I have the entire run of PC Accel, which unfortunately was just way too ahead of it’s time. Look up the story if your can find it, it was pulling in more and more subscribers every month but the publisher scrapped it because basically, it was subversive, it was 18+, it was viciously critical of games and the industry when warranted but also gave the best praise to those that earned it. It was the non-douche precursor to Maxim(if you can believe such a thing exists).

It’s a sad story, after they got shuttered, the lead editor and several others put most of their own money on the line to try and restart the company publish new issues, but this was long before the Internet had any social immediacy. Subscribers mostly didn’t hear about them trying to restart, there was no real forum or community where people could keep up on the topic and join the cause. I found out like 4 months after they tried to restart and was devastated, I had no idea and would have resubscribed in a heart beat.

It’s also really shady how the publisher discontinued it. I had already subscribed for the next two years and I think they canceled it with like a year and a few months left and so then I just started to get PC gamer, not even a refund.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

I’m not going to pretend that I read many of the zombie outlets.

But understand that games media (and most other news media) has been getting gutted for closer to 20 years than not. The only reason so many outlets are even SLIGHTLY good is because of people like John Davison working their ass off to fight for every single inch.

So maybe, just maybe, we could avoid “Whatever, they suck so fuck 'em” levels of posts? Focus more on what got games media to this state rather than self-righteous apathy.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Don’t they call IGN in China 8GN or something like that because every review they posted for a while was an 8?

QuantumEyetanglement, do games w IGN Boss Leaving After Six Years Following Latest Mass Layoff

Game Informer is back! With the magazine and everything!

underline960, do games w IGN Boss Leaving After Six Years Following Latest Mass Layoff

I’d rate IGN a 7/10. It has a little bit of something for everyone.

fluxion, do games w IGN Boss Leaving After Six Years Following Latest Mass Layoff

I thought it got caught up in the whole gamergate thing but don’t remember the details.

dreugeworst, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part

I feel like a strict reading of this rule would also put a lot of fighting games, shooters, horror games etc in the not approved category

Simulation6,

I think some christian items could also be affected, like the bible. Cane and Able, crucifixion, etc are all in that book

xiwi,

Also incest

rautapekoni,

And circumcision of children.

xiwi,

Good vibes all around

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

No cell phone, no internet. Just people being people. Really living in the moment. Really knowing what its like to be human.

The good old days.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

Also encouraging your neighbors to rape your own daughters instead of the visiting angels.

xiwi,

Lmao I really need to read the bible in full on day

Rekorse,

Mutilation seems to imply more than just violence or killing. For example, Days Gone has a scene very early that involves flaying someone’s skin off, I would imagine that type of stuff would qualify.

SkunkWorkz,

Wouldn’t that have artistic value? Since that adds to the story.

Khanzarate,

That’s true but anyone agaimt its inclusion would just say it doesn’t add to the story. “Clearly it detracts from the story, as the player would be distracted by the horrific event instead of enjoying the game” -some hypothetical mastercard Exec, right before fining Valve.

It’s not a court, so there’s no appeal from that, unless there’s an appeal granted by the contract itself.

Rekorse,

They didnt have to show it so explicitly, although I’m not sure simply implying mutilation would qualify too.

Its hard to say what the right level of shock for that kind of thing is, it probably should just be restricted to adults only.

lightnsfw,

That’s the thing, who defines what artistic value is? I’ve seen some pretty creative pornography over the years. Is that artistic value? I’ve seen very creative depictions of violence and uses of profanity too. What about on the other end of the spectrum, Is Tetris have artistic value?

dzsimbo,

Tetris is artsy as shit, especially with that kickass score, Korobeiniki.

For a better example, maybe contrast it against the more generic marvel movies.

lightnsfw,

I was trying to keep it limited to gaming and Tetris was the most basic one that came to mind. How about Pong?

Also not knocking these games at all. Just trying to make a point.

Danquebec,

I think pornography is an “art” the same way gastronomy is an “art”. Both serve a simple function: one to arouse you, the other to be enjoyable food to eat.

I think the more general definition of art is something that generates more complex emotions and thoughts.

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part

All action movies should removed from streaming.

GaMEChld,

Diablo 2, corpse explosion!

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

Rust, just rust in general.

arin,

Oh did you not read the years and years of actions religious groups did to snuff games and movies?

Korhaka,

Right now in Rimworld I am sending child soldiers to bring more ammo to the mortars that are busy pounding away at some primitive tribesmen that are angry at me for dumping a few tons of toxic waste on their home or something.

Those that survive the mortar bombardment will be lobotomised and enslaved. If they have enough limbs remaining to be useful to me I will probably use a few of them as slaves and the rest will be sold to the empire. Any that the empire don’t want will be harvested for organs and dumped in a corpse pit.

I didn’t ask if the tribesmen consented to any of this.

confusedbytheBasics,

I keep trying to learn rimworld. I drop out of most tutorials some time after building a refrigerator. Any recommendations on how to get further along? This is a game I’ll love once I know it but I’m not there yet.

yeather,

Do the relaxed scenario girl and a lower difficulty for an easier time. Drop in a year round grow area, and mountainous area to mine a base into the mountain.

confusedbytheBasics,

Thanks for the tips. I have been using that storyteller and easy mode but picking a random temperate forest.

Korhaka,

Lower difficulty, in all present difficulty options the raid strength is determined largely based on your colony wealth. If you have massive towers of gold then expect big raids.

Even flooring adds up to wealth, massive rooms with carpets can become a non insignificant value. This isn’t to say don’t build them, but you should make sure a reasonable amount of your total wealth is invested into warfare. It can be quite easy to hoard things that are useless to you but have a fair bit of value to them.

confusedbytheBasics,

I didn’t know that. Thank you!

13igTyme,

Honestly, that’s pretty tame for Rimworld.

Danquebec,

Is there really a game that allows you to do all that??!!

AliasVortex,

Absolutely and more! We also have psychic powers, murder robots, friendly murder robots, vampires, genetic engineering, organized religion, semi-sentient plants, space ships, cannibals, space drugs, drugs in space, rabid woodland critters, eldritch horrors beyond comprehension, giant bugs, orbital bombardments, and also the looming threat of starvation as you watch all that you built burn. That’s all before we talk about things that the modding community has brought to the game.

To be clear, the RimWorld doesn’t force you into any one play style, and most of the things listed above can be disabled or avoided if that’s not your jam. At its core the game is trying to tell a story, it’s up to the player to help shape that story. It’s absolutely fantastic; quite literally the best $30 I’ve ever spent on a game (if we’re talking hours played, I’m just about to turn the corner on 2,000 hours (in the spirit of disclosure, a chunk of that is also spent making mods for the game)).

Duamerthrax,

Mortal Kombat is gone.

protogen420,

it would put circumcision too, but the USA doesn’t care

CocaineShrimp, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

I don’t think they realize how much worse their brands look now, after starting all this shit…

filcuk,

Does it really matter when you’re a duopoly and equally bad as one another?

fluffykittycat,

Until they’re not, and any competition now has the NSFW and LGBT markets to themselves

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

Politics_IRL

fluffykittycat,

I want to cancel ally visa and mastercard cards and never give them my business ever again after this

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Amex is still reasonably good.

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Amex charges up to 14% of every transaction. If a place takes it, they are almost always ripping you off.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Amex typically charges between 1.7 and 3.3%.

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

As someone who does not take amex they want to charge me between 7% and 14%. Maybe if I did more sales they would not charge as much, but the reason amex is not taken in as many places as mastercard or visa is the 7% to 14%.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Weird. All the info I can find shows a maximum merchant fee of 3.3% + $0.10 per transaction.

Even this article about the topic says the reason is because amex charges .5% - 1% more. Not 6-13% more.

Maybe it varies by country? Are you in NoAm or somewhere else?

M0oP0o,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

I am in Canada, and amex is famous for charging way too much in merchant fees. They also charge it under a silly system based on the type of card used (the more “elite” the more the merchant pays).

Darkonion,

This might just be my insomnia talking, but I thought a reasonable idea might be to call and reduce the available credit by however much is comfortable. For me, it would be fairly reasonable to reduce it by 50%. I assume they use some kind of magicians handshake to value their company based on how much potential credit is out there… Maybe it’d do nothing though. Anyone know?

proudblond,

I am not a financial guru so hopefully someone will correct me if I’m wrong about this, but your credit score is affected positively the more available credit you have. So by voluntarily lowering your available credit, you’re actually hurting yourself way more than the card companies. At least I think that’s how it works, or rather one of many factors.

couch1potato,

This will do nothing except hurt your own credit score as your credit utilization will be higher

Saleh,

You guys use them for actual credit? To me it seems that in Europe they are mostly used as a debit card directly charging your account, but compatible with the global payment processing of them.

lmmarsano, (edited )

I thought credit was the main selling point.

  • Ability to dispute & reverse charges.
  • Flexibility to keep cash in an account earning higher interest until payment is due.
  • Not having to constantly check enough cash is in your low interest checking account (which you’ll keep low so your cash earns more interest elsewhere & to minimize losses in case of unauthorized debits).
bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

You have an account that earns interest?

Last time I saw that was as a child.

But then again I was able to get a loan for my house at ridiculously low interest, so I’m not complaining too much.

SheeEttin,

HYSA exist. My checking account earns a pittance.

whats_a_lemmy,

You can occasionally find high interest checking accounts too, but they tend to have weird strings attached

Modern_medicine_isnt,

Well think of it like this. I keep an amount in my checking account (basically no interest) to cover the credit card bills. Extra I move out to an online savings account that does have a ddcent interest rate. By having a date when the CC bill comes due, I can check once a month (7 days before due) and move money if needed to cover the bill. So while the checking has practically no interest, I was getting close to 5% on the savings for a while. Still a far stretch from the 12% cds I got as a kid, but it’s something.

lmmarsano,

Yep, like this one, though it could earn more in bonds or investments.

Low-interest loans are great, too: if they don’t need to be repaid right away, they can be leveraged to earn back more than their cost.

CIA_chatbot,

That will also destroy your credit rating

SheeEttin, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

“Nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part” includes just about every fighter or shooter game. They really want to have COD delisted over this?

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

you’re missing some context in that.

“The sale of a product… which is patently offensive and lacks serious artistic value… (such as… images of… Nonconsensual mutilation of a person or body part”

insert joke about COD lacking artistic value, but clearly there is more to COD than just body mutilation.

SPRUNT,

“Patently offensive” and “lacks serious artistic value” are entirely subjective classifications. With those restrictions, any game with country music should be delisted.

Lembot_0004,

Wagner and Mahler: Listen, we have some really badass tracks. Use them! And nobody would dare to call this music “not art enough”.

bryndos,

Man, if i could get a patent on offending people . . . money, money money, win win win.

haloduder,

Artistic value is subjective.

That clause shouldn’t hold up in a court.

yeahiknow3,

To be fair, that would be fucking hilarious.

jaybone,

Some kid on COD said he fucked my mom and then he called me a faggot.

Seleni,

A ‘removed’?

joelfromaus,
@joelfromaus@aussie.zone avatar

Unironically, COD getting delisted would probably get mainstream media coverage and legitimate outrage from people who “don’t play video games” but actually do.

CIA_chatbot,

Also most movies, tv shows, books, every single religious text

Kazumara, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Brilliant, just make your rules vague and force everyone else down the chain to self-censor. Surely this will result in the best outcome.

Fucking mastercard

INHALE_VEGETABLES, (edited )

Their rules seem to just follow the law or am I retarded and missed something?

Edit: thanks for the downvotes, fuck me I guess lol.

Dunstabzugshaubitze,

or any other material that the Corporation deems unacceptable to sell in connection with a Mark

which could be just anything.

fakeman_pretendname,

Nuggan Mastercard has decided the following things are abominations, and are therefore unacceptable to sell:

Cats, the colour blue, oysters, mushrooms, chocolate, garlic, cheese, the smell of beets, jigsaw puzzles, and rocks

Enkers,

A few of those even have actual real live victims, unlike video game porn. This whole debacle is truly absurd.

INHALE_VEGETABLES,

These comments are what is absurd ngl.

Get a grip.

krunklom,

wat

INHALE_VEGETABLES,

Whoat?

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Obviously our solution here is to send a pissed off bard to beat up Mastercard, then.

Kazumara,

Up to the third comma, yes, but all the rest seems to go beyond that pretty arbitrarily.

When they say anything that “may damage the goodwill of the corporation”, and qualify that with “in the sole discretion of the Corporation” that just means “anything we don’t want to be associated with, and we will be the judge of that”.

That’s what makes it so vague, how is a Merchant or an Acquirer supposed to know what Mastercard might find damaging to the goodwill? They have to guess, or use trial and error*. Most will just err on the side of caution, which means customers get blocked from even more purchases, just to be safe.

  • Or talk to Mastercard, which Valve apparently tried, but they wouldn’t respond.
Passerby6497,

When they say anything that “may damage the goodwill of the corporation”,

Looks like MasterCard is going to have to ban MasterCard because of all the damage they’ve done to MasterCard’s goodwill.

psx_crab,

Their rules seem to just follow the law

Whose law? The US? UK? Netherlands? Japan? Or Singapore?

That’s why it’s vague.

bouh,

It’s much worse than that. How they word it is “if it may damage the public image of mastercard”. And they don’t review the content, they review the means used to prevent the damage to their brand.

So valve doesn’t even need to have anything that actually damage mastercard brand, it just need to be that mastercard is not comfortable enough with the measures used to prevent it.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

Like buying anything would actually damage the brand of Mastercard. It’s such a nonsensical excuse that I’m surprised nobody laughed in their face.

SheeEttin,

Yeah, right up until assholes start posting “MASTERCARD SELLS SMUT INCEST HENTAI GAMES” on TikTok. Then it’s a problem, and MasterCard considers that damaging to the brand.

AnUnusualRelic,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

There’s really nothing stopping anyone from posting that right now. That’s the quality level of most of the online content nowadays.

SheeEttin,

That’s my point. They are posting it, and MasterCard does consider it harmful to the brand, so now we’re here.

bouh,

Except that’s entirely false. Even now they are pretending they do nothing, it’s the intermediaries who force things.

Mastercard sells absolutely nothing. And they have no responsibility for anything sold. And no one ever thought it was mastercard selling or even allowing to sell illegal things.

In fact, most people will believe no one sound of mind will buy something illegal with a credit card because mastercard and the likes will give your identity to the police.

So it’s not about illegal things, and it’s not about their image.

IronKrill,
@IronKrill@lemmy.ca avatar

If they just wanted to follow the law, they could have left it at “don’t sell anything illegal” without all the extra “brand damage” nonsense.

Passerby6497,

No, the rules don’t (that’s why it’s been fine for 7 years), and you used a derogatory term so cry harder about your downvotes.

INHALE_VEGETABLES,

please sir may I have another

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

It’s not even that vague.

Valve basically said: “we are not doing anything illegal”.

To which mastercard responded: “yeah but you’re making us look bad, so tough”.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

To which mastercard responded

I don’t think you read this properly. Mastercard didn’t respond at all.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Of course they did.

They just did so from behind a veil of plausible deniability.

You think a citatation of a specific mastercard contract clause came from a concerned partner?

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

So you think Valve is lying?

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

What?

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Did you not read literally the first line?

In a statement to Kotaku, a spokesperson for Valve said that while Mastercard did not communicate with it directly, concerns did come through payment processor and banking intermediaries

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yes.

Plausible deniability.

“Oh so sorry that wasn’t us, one of our partners just overzealously applied our policies”

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

You seem to have forgotten what we were discussing, which was that Mastercard didn’t say anything.

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

You really buy that?

Valve asked mastercard directly.

A lack of a response is also a response, in this case essentially an endorsement of whatever their partner was telling Valve.

Even moreso when that partner is citing mastercard terms.

May not have been mastercards mouth, but it was LITERALLY their words.

If they had something to add, they had their chance. They’re only officially saying anything now that they have to.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

A lack of a response is also a response

I see we’re going with the insanity approach.

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Valve asked mastercard for direct communication.

“Hey, your partner is citing your terms and pushing us to pull certain titles, you ok with this?”

Not responding to that is a response.

Count042,

Spoken like someone that doesn’t understand language or communication.

There is literally a name for this type of response, and yet you’re out here accusing people who are apparently more knowledgeable than you of insanity.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Oh well if there’s a name for it, it must be real! Just like Unicorns and Griffins!

Microw,
@Microw@piefed.zip avatar

A lawyer for a processor like PayPal or Stripe could easily have gone "uh, the Mastercard contract clause prohibits this".

And PayPal is well known for doing shitty things, so it wouldn't surprise me.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Maybe.

But Valve asked mastercard directly.

A lack of a response is a also a response, in this case essentially an endorsement of whatever their partner was telling Valve.

misteloct, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

“Cryptocurrency is only a pyramid scheme and has no real utility!”

Rbnsft,

Its used like one.

protogen420,

afaik the least pyramid scheme crypto coin is monero, bitcoin is used almost purely as a speculative asset which is just sad

misteloct,

Bitcoin does have some more utility based proposals but for the foreseeable future, I agree. Most cryptos are like that too.

misteloct,

It’s mostly used like that, but doesn’t mean it has no utility whatsoever.

Rbnsft,

The other 5% are used for drugs and other illegal stuff. So Yeah it is used for trading but 90% is just scam or investment

misteloct,

Source?

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

Cryptocurrency is a pyramid scheme and has no real utility.

misteloct,

Monero, a decentralized censorship proof cryptocurrency, has no real utility with regard to solving MasterCard’s censorship and only depends on a pyramid of investors to function at all? That is not my understanding.

Yes, most cryptos are treated like pump and dump scams. 99% of usage is like that. Absolutely does not change the underlying utility nor would I recommend “investing” in them.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

Monero, a decentralized censorship proof cryptocurrency, has no real utility with regard to solving MasterCard’s censorship and only depends on a pyramid of investors to function at all?

Monero - the digital token with no real world value, yes. You don’t need crypto to fix this issue. Brazilians can use Pix and would not depend on MasterCard and Visa, and this includes everything from physical purchases to digital storefronts to paying in installments and more. All attached to currency that actually means something and zero crypto bros trying to pump the value up or down on their delusional subreddits.

misteloct, (edited )

Pix sounds trivially easy to censor, freeze, or control from the government’s perspective. Unless I’m missing something that makes it easier for the government to censor innocuous NSFW content. And we don’t have anything like it in the US so it’s useless to me.

Monero can be used immediately without storing a balance for longer than a few minutes, although a correlation attack would be trivial like that. But at best it is not subject to market whims any longer than you decide is necessary for your anonymity needs. It’s the perfect case for purchasing NSFW software, where you want the purchase private and uncensored even when it’s perfectly legal. That sounds like an incredible real world value, even after the crypto bros are long gone and the value dumps (imo) 99%. But it’s a tool that needs no real world value.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

Pix sounds trivially easy to censor, freeze, or control from the government’s perspective

If the Brazilian government decided to go against the constitution to censor my online purchases like that, buying hentai games would be the least of my concerns. And then it wouldn’t matter if I’m using your fake crypto bro tokens or not.

And we don’t have anything like it in the US

Of course not. You live in a weird techno feudalism where the government can’t do anything because that’s socialism and the only solutions you trust are some random tech bro dependent crap like CashApp.

misteloct,

Yes, so you agree that Monero has value then, especially in countries like the US?

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

so you agree that Monero has value then

Nope, I’d rather use seashells than something like Monero. Crypto is got negative value, the time wasted hearing people like you preach about it is never going to be returned to my life.

especially in countries like the US?

Seashells would be an upgrade in a country like the US, but failures of your payment systems do not change anything for the inherent value of random online tokens.

misteloct,

Seashells require face to face interaction, they weigh a lot and they are not convenient to obtain. Nor are they fungible or even anonymous. I am not convinced they are better than Monero, or that Monero has no value.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

Seashells require face to face interaction, they weigh a lot and they are not convenient to obtain. Nor are they fungible or even anonymous

That’s all true, which is why seashells are terrible. But even being terrible, they beat the imaginary crypto bro token. That’s how bad the crypto bro token is.

misteloct,

Again Monero is immediately useful to many people, and so are other cryptos. You don’t have to use them and they may not be useful to you. But they are useful to others.

JustTheWind, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

We totally didn’t do that! Valve and other merchants obviously kept receipts.

I almost love how normalized flagrant lying has become in the corpo-political sphere. They’ve become so emboldened by just telling whatever unbelievable lie they want and expecting to get away with it. If it’s not catastrophically illegal to do so, they just lie. I don’t take anything not said under oath seriously anymore, and even then, I take it with a grain of salt.

haloduder, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

I’m voting for Donald Trump because of Collective Shout.

Since neither candidate represents the working class and all we have is a culture war, I’m going to fight back against censorship wherever I can.

All of the people on the left pushing censorship and attacking freedom of speech are directly responsible for driving me further to the right.

SmilingSolaris,

Upset about conservatives and their puritanical practices. Votes for puritanical conservatives. What, do you think because he fucks kids he will allow your gooner game?

haloduder,

Useful idiots on the left are the only ones attacking freedom of speech, saying its a dogwhistle.

Useful idiots on the left are the only ones trying to control narratives by controlling what information people are allowed to share.

SmilingSolaris,

My brother in Christ they are a self proclaimed anti queer conservative organization. Do you want to be right? Do you care if you’re correct or not? Or do you want to blame everything on the ghosts in your head?

rmrf,

Ah yes, because the left wing is famous for the proliferation of requiring a government issued ID to use the internet in ways that make them uncomfortable.

pahlimur,

You are one of the worst cucks I’ve ever seen. Go read this guy’s comment history, holy shit.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

But the people on the right are also pushing for censorship. You’re just choosing what flavour of censorship.

In America you don’t have any other parties with more moderate idealogies either. It’s either the one or the other.

So before you go voting for a literal criminal as the opposition, why not first burn down your shitty system and rebuild something better.

haloduder,

The people on the right aren’t censoring me for disagreeing with them.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

You’re really not paying attention, then. Because that’s exactly what they’re doing.

haloduder,

Where? I can say whatever I want on 4chan, but I come to any of the liberal social media sites and get banned for disagreeing with the crowd.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Sure buddy. Let’s just ignore Twatter and Facebook like that.

TerdFerguson,

Freedom of speech is not the same thing as "freedom from consequences for saying something idiotic’

pahlimur,

You aren’t being banned. You’re are being fact checked, cuck.

FlyingCircus,

Collective Shout is a conservative organization you numbskull.

haloduder,

So that means the left isn’t censoring me as much as the right?

FlyingCircus,

Tbh liberals love censorship as much as conservatives (see the proscription of Palestine Action in the UK).

But it’s a bit silly saying you are going to vote for a conservative because a conservative group is censoring you.

haloduder,

These are Australian conservatives, they don’t value freedom of speech as much as American conservatives.

They are willing to abuse censorship to push their agendas, just like American liberals.

FlyingCircus,

You know that American conservatives have been banning books from libraries, and banning topics like racism and homophobia from being talked about in schools, right? American conservatives love censoring anything they don’t agree with. They are the original snowflakes.

I suspect your butt is just chapped because you can’t drop a hard “r” on BlueSky.

13igTyme,

You’re a good example of the average dumbass American.

SmilingSolaris,

Hi. Texas conservatives in Houston took over the city schools and removed libraries to create a prison inside the school itself. Fuck you and your talks of censorship. You don’t know censorship and think the conservacucks don’t do it because they ain’t targeting your white cis heterosexual ass. You have no opinion worth censoring because your just that white bread bland.

simsalabim,

I guess only in a country that is so far leaning on the right thinks that liberals are “on the left”.

FlyingCircus,

Well that’s why I didn’t say “leftists.” But if we’re continuing to be honest, leftist governments also censor. I don’t think you can find any ideology that doesn’t censor, actually.

MithranArkanere,

Collective Shout is a conservative, forced-birth anti-trans sex-nagative women-patronizing christian organization masquerading as feminist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Tankard_Reist

They call themselves “feminist” but they are as “feminist” as the guys who finally allowed women to drive in Saudia Arabia.

BipolarSilence,

This is what we call ragebait! There’s too much going on in the news to even bother with this type of ‘person’.

haloduder,

Not really. You don’t like what I have to say, so you’re trying to get me censored by crying ‘ragebait.’

You’re another example of why censorship on the left drives people further to the right.

I’m going to block you now since I can tell you need the last reply.

13igTyme,

That’s some strong protection. You’ve spent the last hour getting the last word in on everyone replying to you.

5too,

That’s not censorship. That’s just social consequences.

CromulantCrow,

Don’t feed the trolls.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy,

Voting for Donald Trump in which election?

He’s on his last legal term

Atomic,

I’m sorry. Did you just say you want to vote Trump because you think they’re against censorship? The guy that threatens journalists, and politicians that report or say bad things about them. Do you not think that’s censorship?

I don’t even have a bone in this fight. I just want to understand the thought process.

waterSticksToMyBalls,

Censorship means different things to different people. For those on the left censorship means suppression of liberal ideas, suppression of journalism exposing corruption and brutality, suppression of peoples history. For those on the right censorship means they can’t say the n word anymore.

Would you care to guess what censorship means to haloduder?

Atomic,

No don’t want to guess. I’d rather ask him directly instead of making assumptions.

JcbAzPx,

You mean the guy that is president right now, while this is happening, that is doing nothing about it because he’s too busy dealing with his pedophile rape escapades becoming public knowledge?

Railing5132,

Not to mention: the guy that can’t run for president again (yet)

8000gnat,

reddthat please please add a downvote option

big_slap,
reksas, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

since they deny it, then everyone should just revert whatever was done to censor stuff.

surph_ninja, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network.

As Valve correctly points out, this is a blatant & outright lie. They have cut off any number of legal entities over pressure from politicians or groups. Now they have to own it.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

I mean, their own Rule 5.12.7 has that “or” in it, which includes transactions that are fully lawful but “may damage the goodwill of the corporation”.

Atomic,

You will find such language pretty much everywhere. And there are reasons for it. A good example are certain drugs that are technically not illegal. Because they have not been officially classified yet.

That used to be a thing here in Sweden some time ago, where they’d just change some little compound and could technically, legally sell it online until it was deemed otherwise. Because it’s now technically a new formula. Once it was classified, they just repeated the proceas.

MasterCard might not want to be seen as an enabler in the drug trade. So while it’s technically legal. They don’t want anything to do with it. And would like the option to take action.

And according to the articles. It’s not MasterCard pointing to that regulation, but the processors. As MasterCard notes. They’re not a bank, they’re not processing your payment. They just provide the technology to do so.

Furthermore. I’m quite amazed that people seem to think Valve is this really good company that we can all trust and take their word on. Valve says one thing. MasterCard says another. I wouldn’t take either one of them on just their word. Better to take a step back, and see how it develops so you don’t make yourself a useful idiot.

merdaverse, do games w [Update: Valve Responds] Mastercard Denies Pressuring Steam To Censor 'NSFW' Games

“Mastercard did not communicate with Valve directly, despite our request to do so,” Valve’s statement sent over email to Kotaku reads. “Mastercard communicated with payment processors and their acquiring banks. Payment processors communicated this with Valve

This whole thing reads like a telephone game where nobody wants to take any responsibility.

bryndos,

At work when no one wants to pick up a task, I issue the "slopey shoulders" award.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mrmen/images/1/15/Mr_cheeky1.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20170519093913

rozodru,

they did the exact same thing in the porn industry. naturally Visa and MC didn’t communicate directly with the individual porn companies. So thats’ how places like CCBill and what have you took off. and then Visa and MC laid out their weird rules to CCBill who then passed it along to the individual companies.

MITM0, (edited )
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

CollectiveShout did take responsibility & they’re Confirmed to be pedos, so what are we waiting for ?

Passerby6497,

Honestly, I don’t care if MasterCard doesn’t want to take responsibility. It was their rule and their intermediaries that caused the situation and they did not intervene when valve tried to reach out directly.

They are responsible through action or inaction, no matter how they try to deny it.

5too,

It seems like, if they’re publicly denying responsibility, Steam and Itch now have legal cover to restore everything.

I’m not a lawyer, etc. etc., but don’t public statements from these kinds of entities inform how these clauses can be enforced?

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