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TachyonTele, do games w Morpheus Actor Laurence Fishburne Reveals He Was Turned Down for The Matrix Resurrections — So He Might Not Be Back for Matrix 5 Either - IGN [Morpheus' character dies in The Matrix Online]

No worries, Fishburne. I doubt anyone in the general public will return for a Matrix 5 either.

DaMonsterKnees,
@DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world avatar

You’re done today soldier, go home. Spot on!

TachyonTele,

o7

atro_city,

They really are trying to milk everything out of that franchise and doing a terrible job at doing so.

protist,

Franchise?

atro_city,

Correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix_(franchise)

A media franchise, also known as a multimedia franchise, is a collection of related media in which several derivative works have been produced from an original creative work of fiction, such as a film, a work of literature, a television program, or a video game. Bob Iger, chief executive of the Walt Disney Company, defined the word franchise as "something that creates value across multiple businesses and across multiple territories over a long period of time."[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_franchise

protist,

Wow, thank you for the definition of the word franchise, I had no idea /s

atro_city,

> asks question as if they don't know what it means

> gets a frank response with definition

> pretends they knew all along

protist,

It was a joke, because everything after the first movie might as well not exist. Apparently it wasn’t received.

LandedGentry, (edited )

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  • sugar_in_your_tea,

    Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.

    LandedGentry, (edited )

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  • sugar_in_your_tea,

    It was a single word, Franchise? . Getting a sarcastic answer is absolutely expected.

    LandedGentry, (edited )

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  • sugar_in_your_tea,

    Is that how you treat people in your daily life?

    No. I also generally don’t do it online.

    Is that just normal behavior to you?

    Sadly, yes. Especially online.

    The original question was completely lacking enough context to understand the intent. Here are two reasonable interpretations:

    • sarcastic - it’s pretty popular to ignore anything other than the first movie and maybe the animated series, Animatrix
    • unaware - the games weren’t all that popular, and they weren’t that good either

    I understand not wanting to step into potential troll bait. So the sarcastic response, while not appreciated, is completely understandable.

    LandedGentry,

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  • sugar_in_your_tea,

    Troll the troll.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m still not sure why this is in the games community.

    celeste,
    @celeste@kbin.earth avatar

    I guess he canonically dies in a videogame, which is a reason they might not bring him back

    Flemmy,

    Because in videogame Deus Ex was better ha (and Max Payne)

    citizensongbird,

    My understanding is that’s deliberate. The Wacowskis were done with The Matrix, the original trilogy (+ Animatrix) was the complete package. But the powers that be demanded more to milk the franchise, and when the Wacowskis tried to push back, the higher-ups said they would do it with or without them. So the Wacowskis are deliberately sabotaging the sequels, and good on em.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    The fourth movie was written by one of the Wachowskis as a metaphor for their own transition, as a creative outlet during a grieving period after the death of their parents.

    Zahille7,

    I thought the original trilogy was supposed to be the metaphor for transitioning.

    At least that’s what the Wachowskis themselves and the Internet say.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    As I recall them saying, they felt that way maybe in retrospect? They hadn’t transitioned in real life by then, so that’s getting pretty subconscious at that point. At the time, the metaphors that were clear were about dreams, the savior allegory, a sense of not mattering as a cog in the machine, and so forth.

    RampantParanoia2365,

    I think modern society and technology may have played a role, too.

    TachyonTele,

    Did you watch the movie? It’s not a metaphor, it flatly states it’s just a money grab.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I did. Its cynicism about making another Matrix movie is well-noted and some of the most fascinating things about that movie, but it’s also a protagonist swap between Neo and Trinity, which makes a ton of sense for the trans metaphor. It can be cynical about the realities of making the movie and still not be sabotage. And also it was only written by one of the two Wachowskis.

    Yawweee877h444,

    I’m still definitely gonna watch it. It’ll be bad, but I’m gonna watch it.

    Not like in the theater for money. After it’s floating out on the high seas.

    But even if it’s bad it’s still a nostalgia trip back to something that was undeniably amazing.

    I saw matrix 4 twice and liked it. Sue me. Fight me lol

    TachyonTele,

    I would too. That’s how i watched the 4th movie.

    I was obviously taking about in the theatre.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    In general, people aren’t returning to the theater for much of anything anymore.

    TachyonTele,

    I like to boil my porogies, just till they float, then saute them to add some structure to the dough.

    Elevator7009,

    Is this a metaphor I do not understand? Seems like you might have accidentally posted in the wrong community if not.

    dan69,

    OG cast or bust!!

    dinckelman, do games w Larian Started Work on Baldur's Gate 3 DLC, Then Canceled It: "The Studio Was Elated"

    Cancellation like this aren’t always bad. Especially given BG3 as a whole, sometimes it’s good to just ship a complete product, and move onto newer things. They earned a break

    lanolinoil,
    @lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

    sometimes

    always

    acosmichippo,
    @acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

    are you saying DLC or expansions are never a good idea?

    lanolinoil,
    @lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah I don’t think so – Sequels are the thing you’re supposed to have I think. Everyone drooling over having subscriptions since MMOs sucks and it really looks like the whole culture of the industry is pretty shitty in a lot of ways

    E: I guess expansions can be good so you don’t have to be an EA sports franchise if you’re not changing the engine a bunch. Other than EUIV though, whose expansions are a money grab way to make the game cost 150 bucks, I haven’t ever played DLC I can think of.

    Kolanaki, (edited )
    !deleted6508 avatar

    Unless the sequel is using way better tech and requires a new engine or massive engine tweaks, a sequel that comes shortly after the original release could be done better, faster and cheaper as an expansion pack.

    Other than EUIV though, whose expansions are a money grab way to make the game cost 150 bucks, I haven’t ever played DLC I can think of.

    Well there ya go. Paradox DLC is just bullshit. Most of them just add like 1-2 units or characters or factions which mostly boil down to an aesthetic change. Most big games get real additions via DLC that can add up to 50% more game.

    ThunderclapSasquatch,

    You’ve never touched EUIV or it’s DLC I can tell

    lanolinoil,
    @lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

    The non cosmetic Paradox DLCs fundamentally change the games so if you want to actually play the latest version of the game with all the mechanics you have to get them all. You can get them on steam sale usually for like 50 bucks a couple times a year.

    I’m not defending it – It is what colors me most against DLCs.

    I still just don’t like the idea of it – Why not do a DLC for movies and paintings and books? It feels wrong to fork a work of art or say “Oh sorry I didn’t actually make it all here’s the other 20%”

    Come to think of it – Movie sequels are kind of like that these days where it’s just one story broken up instead of multiple separate stories. I wish we just did 4 hour movies with intermission but I’m sure I’m alone there.

    Firipu,
    @Firipu@startrek.website avatar

    Just a few dlc/expansion packs that were totally worth their money

    All Rimworld expansions. Diablo 3 reaper of souls/ D2 lord of destruction The witcher Ballad of gay tony Star craft ones Red alert yuris revenge Horizon zero dawn frozen wilds

    Etc… There are good expansions that are totally worth their money and add to the overall game.

    That being said, I’m not a huge dlc fan and rarely spend money on them if they don’t really add to the game. More partial to spend on dlc for smaller studio games rather than large ones.

    lanolinoil,
    @lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

    I didn’t even buy the Rimworld DLCs and I have 500+ hours! I did look at them but didn’t buy. Now that DF is graphical I mostly just play that now tbh.

    DF is a great example – 15+ years updates no DLCs unless you count the steam release.

    Firipu,
    @Firipu@startrek.website avatar

    In what world is paying 40usd for a game and 3x 30usd for 500h of entertainment not a good deal? (not particularly aimed at you, but at dlc haters in general)

    I am glad when they release a dlc. I get more great content. They get some more financial support.

    I am 100% against cheap cash grabs. I am 100% pro multiple well made extentions for a game that allow me to support the studio.

    lanolinoil,
    @lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

    I do agree video games are the best bang for buck entertainment by a mile

    Conyak, (edited )

    sometimes

    always

    Sometimes

    There are tons of examples where a sequel or DLC have been great additions to a game or series.

    aidan,

    Far Harbor is a good example

    pleb_maximus,

    Brood War.

    ouRKaoS,

    The difference between StarCraft and Brood War is staggering.

    I miss getting that big of an upgrade to things. Not to mention the level editor and the endless river of user created content.

    pleb_maximus,

    They didn’t add all that many units, two per race. But they did have a great impact on the game (mostly).
    Also, new campaigns for each race was awesome. The level editor not only brought many fun custom maps (I still think about that weird 300 map I played when I was 16), but ensured longevity of the game until this day by enabling new maps to be played in regular games.

    I miss getting all this stuff with a game or expansion too.

    sexual_tomato,

    Just give us modding tools before leaving this game in the dust 😭

    nanoUFO, do games w Starfield Paid DLSS Mod Creator Hits Back at Pirates, Threatens to Add 'Hidden Mines' in Future Mods
    @nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Starfield Frame Generation - Replacing FSR2 with DLSS-G Free version of the same mod not made by a man child that isn’t happy making half a million a year.

    Bluefruit,

    Is that an exaggeration or do they actually make close to that? Im just curious

    nanoUFO, (edited )
    @nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

    web.archive.org/web/20230924045050/…/PureDarkHe started hiding his count but he was at 11k last week and his most popular/cheapest tier is $5 USD so he makes 55k a month. So basically 660k+ a year.

    Bluefruit,

    Yikes. I mean i kinda get you wanna get paid for your work but at the same time id be way down for making 600k.

    Hell id kill for 80k lmao

    nanoUFO,
    @nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I’d personally settle for a pateron where people reward me for whatever even if it is exponentially less than paywalling/drming/mining it.

    mox, do games w Civilization 7 Outlines Crucial 1.1.1 Update as It Struggles to Compete on Steam Against Civ 6 and Even the 15-Year-Old Civ 5

    Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Anti-tamper

    Requires 3rd-Party Account: 2K Account for Online Interactions

    Somebody please wake me up when these atrocities are gone. (And thanks, Steam, for making them easy to discover.)

    amlor,

    Linux port doesn’t have denuvo (: Don’t ask me how I know.

    mox,

    Do you know who made the port?

    arudesalad,

    Aspyr, the ones who made the civ 6 port

    mox,

    I don’t think so. There’s no mention of it on their site.

    arudesalad,

    I can’t find it anywhere, I must have mis-remembered

    rickyrigatoni,

    Maybe they did the port but don’t want to claim it because the game sucks ass.

    Nythos,

    Aren’t they the same company who made the abysmal Star Wars Battlefront remaster?

    arudesalad,

    Yes

    ajikeshi,

    aspyr made the linux ports since alpha centauri (the best civ that has ever been made) afair

    Cocodapuf,

    They do more Linux and Mac porting than any other company I know. Back in the day I believe they were actually game developer, but they seem to have become specialized in porting games specifically.

    amlor,

    Um, firaxis

    mox,

    What makes you think that? It’s possible that they did it in-house, of course, but there’s no precedent for it. No previous Civ had a linux version done in-house.

    amlor,

    I meant that it’s an official port, don’t know who didi it, sorry. But it was available on the high seas on the release day.

    glitchdx,

    also no hotseat multiplayer

    thesprongler, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 Patch 5 Adds New Playable Epilogue With 3,589 Lines of Extra Dialogue, Much More

    Patch 5 also improves inventory access, letting players manage the inventory of all companions from one single UI, regardless of whether or not they’re currently in your party.

    YES. I was just looking for a mod to do this but it’s so much better when the devs build out a highly-requested feature like this.

    Frogster8,

    While at camp, you can now access and manage the inventories of companions who aren’t in your active party.

    Sounds like it’s not possible everywhere just at camp, also, the main thing I want is official autosorting containers, I use the mod but it can be janky at times, inventory management has put me off playing and I really want to I just got sick of organising loot and marking as items to sell and splitting stacks etc etc

    DragonTypeWyvern,

    You know I was trying to figure out why I lost interest in Chapter 3 and started playing Total War, and I think this is it (also a dialogue bug that made companions start spoiling the plot…)

    I’ve never been a huge fan of inventory management and after a while it gets very tedious in BG3.

    Jokes on me though, I’m playing Thorek in Warhammer 2 rn and he’s a crafting lord so I turned a semi-RTS into an inventory management game anyways.

    popekingjoe,
    @popekingjoe@lemmy.world avatar

    Congratulations you played yourself.

    Motorheadbanger,

    And Total War

    Vant,

    I’m sorry about your head injury.

    Shiggles,

    Just in case you’re not aware, you can hop into camp at literally any time, you only consume supplies when taking a rest.

    stopthatgirl7,
    !deleted7120 avatar

    That’s the thing I’m most excited for, honestly.

    Blackmist,

    The inventory management in the game is shockingly bad.

    “Oh, I got a new companion. I wonder what I can equip them with.”

    Good luck, because the gear is scattered among your inactive companions, or the chests that might be locked to you in co-op.

    “I need to take a potion mid combat”

    It’s somewhere in those 20 inventory wheels!

    The whole inventory weight is kind of pointless as well, since you can send to camp at any point, and there’s very few places where you can’t just go back and get something. It’s just inconvenience kept for the sake of following some arbitrary rules.

    Gear especially should just be kept in a separate place from consumables and quest items, with maybe some quick swap wardrobe feature for e.g. switching to a bludgeoning weapon for smashing walls.

    SCB,

    Good luck, because the gear is scattered among your inactive companions, or the chests that might be locked to you in co-op.

    This has explicitly been changed this patch.

    It’s just inconvenience kept for the sake of following some arbitrary rules.

    It’s on one hand a BG throwback and more.importantly a minor impediment to the time-tested tactic in Larian games of “barrelmancy.” Look up some Telekinesis runs on Divinity:Original Sin to see why.

    PunchingWood, (edited ) do games w PS5 Homescreen Now Replaces Unique Video Game Art With Annoying Ads You Can’t Turn Off

    What an absolutely terrible fucking idea.

    Can’t wait for major story spoilers to show up full-screen on the background of the homescreen because clickbaiters on YouTube are fucking assholes.

    Also really don’t need product placement on the home, I am on my PS5 to play games, not to fucking buy stuff. It’s a console, not a goddamn webshop.

    This really needs an option to get disabled.

    Edit: Reading again it just seems to get worse. Looking at the alternative game ads, offers and promotions when selecting a game seems borderline against consumer laws, at least in EU. Especially kids could be easily targeted and triggered by this. Also most of these examples make it look like you’re starting up an entirely different game, it’s just such a awful update all together. No self-respecting interface designer would come up with this, it’s 100% corporate predatory marketing cunts that came up with this kind of stuff.

    the_post_of_tom_joad,

    I heard from another lemmy user that his new Xbox required him to click an ad to finish booting up. So with a grain of salt MS’ consoles are even worse. If this continues and i don’t see why it won’t, PC gaming gonna be the only viable one soon. Thank God steamdeck and valve Linux collab are now a thing

    lohky,

    My piece of shit, $1800 Vizio TV does that. I can’t even default it to a specific input without clicking through an ad.

    the_post_of_tom_joad,

    God, that’s awful. Is it connected to the Internet or are they internal ads? I suppose you’ve already looked into a piratefix firmware update or something? I have a big roku tv that i keep away from my wifi lest ads sneak into my experience too

    lohky,

    I’d kill Internet to it if my wife didn’t leave on random free streaming shit like Pluto to play for the dogs when we leave. The steps it takes for me to get to streamio are nuts. Boot on TV -> close ad and navigation to Fire stick -> listen to auto play ad while piece of shit fire stick loads UI -> finally get to watch what I want.

    JigglySackles,

    That’s dystopian nightmare shit. Never buying a smart tv. Fuck having the nicest thing if that’s what it takes to deal with

    YourShadowDani,

    Sounds like a job for a rasberry pi with pihole installed: pi-hole.net

    lohky,

    I’ve really wanted to start tinkering with rasberry pi, so maybe that’ll be a fun first project!

    kadotux, (edited )

    Holy shit, this is full blown verification can shit.

    https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/e1af3036-fc27-4220-9ce4-91d416a68005.webp

    JigglySackles,

    They saw the cans as a challenge and are inching closer and closer to see where the cutoff for bullshit is.

    Rai,

    Ugh I love Steam but when I click on a new game, sometimes it’s like WATCH THIS STREAMER STREAM and it’s in the middle of the game like I WANT GO INTO IT BLIND GIVE ME AN OPTION TO DISABLE THIS

    where_am_i,

    I either GoG or pirate these days. You want my money? Then respectfully sell me the product.

    JigglySackles,

    If you are taking about the storefront you can disable that completely in your options.

    Rai,

    I couldn’t find one when it first came out, and haven’t looked since. Thank you so much!

    JigglySackles,

    Sure thing, if I were in front of my pc I’d have given you more precise instructions but yeah I was elated when I found that setting as I don’t enjoy livestreams even if it’s not a spoiler.

    smeg,

    It’s a console, not a goddamn webshop.

    Console makers see them as one and the same. This being Lemmy I have to advise that the only solution is to own your own machine, so best build your own hardware, install Linux, and compile all the games you want to play yourself.

    PunchingWood,

    I have a PC, with Windows though, I can’t be bothered with the limited Linux support and hardware woes that come with it.

    I only played a few exclusives on the PS5 before, most recently Astro Bot, but since everything else is basically coming to PC I recently upgraded it anyway. It’s becoming less and less appealing to even bother with consoles anymore. Even Nintendo seems to barely bother to dare anything innovating.

    smeg,

    My Linux gaming machine is a Steam Deck, it’s been a pretty positive experience and you only really need to tinker if you’re straying off the golden path.

    I imagine we’ll see some new Nintendo innovation with the Switch 2, they are at least good for throwing in a load of wacky ideas with new consoles.

    PunchingWood,

    To be fair the Steam Deck is similar to consoles, it is only one piece of hardware that people can’t alter (or aren’t meant to) that natively runs on a Linux system and is entirely designed to work as such. I think the Steam Deck is an interesting concept, but I don’t believe it can be compared to custom built computers, as well as the idea of supported games on any choice of Linux distribution. Support is significantly better than it used to be, but it’s still such a long way off.

    smeg,

    While it defaults to a console-like experience it is meant to be altered, they give you a full desktop environment as standard and even provide instructions to install Windows if you really want.

    Maestro, do games w Microsoft Confirms Windows 11 Update Kills Star Wars Outlaws, Assassin's Creed Valhalla, and Other Ubisoft Games

    Curious as to why this happens. My bet is on Ubisoft tampering in windows kernel space. Probably some copy protection or anti-cheat BS

    RamblingPanda,

    Yeah, probably. I’m ready to bash Microsoft, but when the opponent is Ubisoft I’m holding my horses. Ubisoft is cancer.

    JackbyDev,

    It was interesting learning about the insane shit firewalls and drivers did prior to vista.

    Buddahriffic,

    Even after, some of it is pretty crazy.

    Like the driver for controlling one vendor’s LED lights had a generic PCI FW updater (or something similar) included that it exposed to user space. This meant a) changing the LED colours or parameters required a firmware update rather than the firmware handling input from the system to adjust colours without new code, and b) other software could use this and just change the bus id of the target to update other firmware willy nilly.

    It also had to compete for bus time and sending a full firmware update takes more time than a few colour update parameters. Average case might be ok, but it would make worst case scenarios worse, like OS wants to page in from disk 1 while a game needs to read shader code from disk 2 that it needs to immediately send to the GPU but the led controller decides it’s time to switch to the next theme in the list oh and there’s some packets that just came in over the network and the audio buffer is getting low. GPU ends up missing a frame deadline for the display engine and your screen goes black for a second while it re-establishes the connection between GPU and monitor.

    SupraMario,

    Aren’t all of these SP games? The fuck they need anti-cheat for?

    Passerby6497,

    It’s probably kernel level anti-piracy shit, but same results.

    syreus,

    Ubisoft sells cosmetic stuff in their singleplayer games.

    SupraMario,

    Most of it gets cracked anyways though, but I guess lol shit reason for them but only explanation.

    syreus,

    They only need to make sure it’s difficult enough the average user can’t be bothered to figure out the workaround. I’m sure without looking they made a considerate sum from the neglected children market.

    SupraMario,

    That’s the truth, they wouldn’t do it if they didn’t make money off it.

    yamanii,
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    Only the ones that come with some ultimate edition, the store exclusive ones never do.

    bilb,
    !deleted4216 avatar

    I was curious too, and… Avatar appears to have a co-op mode. Not really high stakes for cheating.

    Brumefey,

    You know the cosmetics things that you could unlock using cheat codes 20 years ago in single player games ? You now have to pay for it. And they bloat your OS kernel to ensure that you don’t get those valuables skins without actually paying for it.

    SupraMario,

    Lol yea long ass time ago, when crack engines where a thing or even console codes. The fuck…

    Brumefey,

    And a lot of the items were introduced on the initiative of developers without any coordination with Marketing team

    catloaf,

    Yeah, developers like to rely on undocumented or quirky behavior.

    But then, Microsoft also likes to change code that may or may not behave like the documentation says it should.

    lolcatnip,

    Microsoft does a piss poor job of documenting things, so a certain level of reliance on undocumented behavior is hard to avoid.

    That’s no excuse for games hacking the kernel, though.

    surph_ninja,

    I’d be real interested to see if the problem continues, once someone disables the TPM piece of Win 11.

    Gamers_Mate, do games w Bethesda Quietly Removes Denuvo DRM from Ghostwire: Tokyo

    Sorry we cannot afford to pay the DRM licensing fee. As a result we will no longer be able to inconvenience our customers or prevent people who were never going to pay for our game anyway from playing.

    domi,
    @domi@lemmy.secnd.me avatar

    It’s twice as funny in this game because they added Denuvo a year after release. Meaning all pirates got the game DRM free on day one while paying customers got Denuvo patched in.

    Absolute waste of money.

    arudesalad,

    I think they did the same thing with anno 1800, only difference is they haven’t cracked it yet so no dlc on the pirated version.

    AceFuzzLord,

    Stuff like this makes me wish I was smart enough to be one of those DRM crackers.

    Nutteman,
    @Nutteman@lemmy.world avatar

    Same cause the only one who really knows how to do it with Denuvo is kinda bonkers in the brain zone

    stardust,

    Enshitification of DRM moving to subscription based ended up being the most pro consumer move in the long run.

    ivanafterall, do games w The Epic Games Store Officially Launches on Mobile Devices
    @ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

    I guess it makes sense, seeing as they’ve perfected the desktop experience.

    Ok_imagination,

    chef’s kiss

    xavier666,

    Right in the nuts

    tuckerm, do games w Bethesda Quietly Removes Denuvo DRM from Ghostwire: Tokyo

    I suppose they only did it now due to some license agreement expiring?

    Yep, if I understand it right, Denuvo charges an annual fee to be used. That's why you always see it getting removed after the game loses relevance, when sales aren't enough to justify paying for Denuvo anymore.

    Kind of weird how, because Bethesda (and other publishers) are Denuvo's consumer, this particular anti-consumer license agreement is actually benefiting the players, haha.

    Vode_An, do gaming w IGN posts written review of Cyberpunk: Phantom Liberty, but withholds video review. CDPR is, once again, not letting reviewers use their own gameplay footage before release.

    Arbitrary limits on information just mean you have something to hide

    woelkchen,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Arbitrary limits on information just mean you have something to hide

    And even if that’s not the case for a specific game, normalizing this shit means that once you have something to hide, it’s no longer raising eyebrows.

    Vode_An,

    I agree, but I would say that treating it as a worst case interpretation every time would lead to the best outcome.

    Never normalize hiding info from the people, and only the honest rise to to the top. Radical honesty is good for everyone.

    Kaldo,
    @Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

    I mean...yeah. This sounds deeper than it actually is lol.

    Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow,

    Yeah, could be bugs but could equally also be spoilers

    loobkoob, do games w New Report Makes Disturbing Allegations Against The Lord of the Rings: Gollum Developer - IGN

    The idea that only having a €15M budget is what caused this game's issues is ridiculous. It's not a game that had good ideas and just failed to execute them properly; it's fundamentally bad on a conceptual level.

    The setting and story concept are bad. When the game was first announced, I don't think I heard or saw a single discussion where someone was excited to experience playing through the story of Gollum in that time period in the story. Or even playing as Gollum at all - he's a great secondary character in the books and films, but he's hardly a character you want to play as in a video game. There's no room for character development either.

    The game design is bad. It's just bad. No amount of time, money or polish is going to fix the terrible basic design principles the game is built on. And even if they had 10x the budget and hired a world-class lead game designer from the start, it still would have the issues with the story and character.

    The whole project is one that shouldn't have left the brainstorming session it was conceived in.

    pulaskiwasright,

    This is revisionist. There were a lot of people excited to play as gollum and people being concerned.

    nonailsleft,

    people excited to play as gollum

    Source?

    pulaskiwasright,

    I have no better source than the person I replied to. I was on Reddit when the game was announced and it was clear that the game was about being gollum. Plenty of people were excited.

    caseofthematts,

    You can go back on reddit and look. Calling it revisionist is a bit of a stretch. The temperature on this game was very much mid to uninterested. Sure there were people who were excited, but it wasn’t a majority at all.

    Rainman,

    I was excited when it was first announced. I was hoping for a stealth game with gameplay like souls games or the shadow of mordor games. Sadly the game wasn’t even close to that so I didn’t buy it.

    Ser_Salty,

    Those were your go-tos for gameplay expectations for sneaking around as a pretty weak little goblin man? I would’ve gone for Styx instead, a game about sneaking around as a little goblin man. (Which I think actually belongs to the same publisher)

    Rainman,

    Obviously combat would have to be balanced for Gollums powers. 1v1 an orc could have been fine but anything else would overpower him. I didn’t play Styx so I can’t compare it. I played the Splinter Cell Series and Dishonored, but both offered technology and weapons with range to help with sneaking. So I opted for games with a high fantasy setting. A game with controls like Souls, balanced for sneaking and ambushes as a focus, using the environment as your asset? Feels to me like it could work. Well, nothing like Souls, Shadow or Styx happened and we got whatever the Gollum game was.

    Ser_Salty,

    I only played one for maybe like 2 hours, but they seem like pretty good games, you could probably pick one up for cheap on sale.

    Also when I think of Soulslike Gollum, all I see in my mind is this gormless little creature wielding a 6 foot axe or something and that just makes me laugh.

    Anyway, yeah, Nacon/Daedelic had several studios that had more experience making stealth-action games. I mean, besides the guys that made Styx, they also have the Shadow Tactics guys. Isometric tactical stealth could’ve been another option.

    It’s honestly like they just made the absolute wrong decision for all things during development.

    LotrOrc,

    I was for sure And I know quite a few people who thought the concept was good

    victron,
    @victron@programming.dev avatar

    The first time I heard about the game, not long before it was released, I thought it was a joke.

    scrubbles,
    !deleted6348 avatar

    I’m not convinced whoever pitched it wasn’t joking either, and then studio execs picked it up and ran with it

    delitomatoes,

    I could have seen it as a Stardew valley-esque Hobbit farming Sim, you start with simple farming, interacting with lore accurate villagers, fishing, cave gathering as Smeagol.

    Then after a certain point of the game in a quest you find the Ring and your memories start getting hazy and your farming skill starts deteriorating and your cave gathering skills improve and the Ring blanks out part of your days and suddenly you find Deagols body and get flashbacks to what happened.

    In the epilogue you start your usual day in the cave ‘bed’ instead of your Hobbit hole bed and you go gathering and meet Bilbo. Then cut to black

    Gamoc, (edited )

    What was released was a disaster that hadn’t had anywhere near enough thought and consideration put into it. However, frankly if you don’t think a gollum game couldn’t be good I’d have to blame it on a lack of imagination.

    SolidShake, do games w Switch 2 Tutorial Game Welcome Tour Costs $10, Nintendo Explains Why It's Not a Free Console Pack-In - IGN

    It should be free

    Lost_My_Mind,

    May I introduce you to their last launch day tech demo… 1-2 Switch?

    Yeah. You forgot about $60 launch day tech demo 1-2 Switch, didn’t you?

    jacksilver,

    The only reason they sold any was because the console released with like one game, which seems to be the same strategy this time around too.

    Lost_My_Mind,

    I remember buying breath of the wild, and sniperclips on day 1.

    jacksilver,

    Exactly, the only real first party game was BOTW (and that also released on the Wii u).

    There were some smaller games, like 12 switch/snipperclips/fast rmx, but the switch on release (and most of its life) was struggling for games.

    madjo,

    It has a shitload of indie games and on top of that a lot of shovel ware though.

    SolidShake,

    Okay?

    Naatan, do games w CD Projekt Spent Roughly $125 Million Turning Cyberpunk 2077 Around Post-Launch

    CD Projekt announced on October 5 that the expansion starring Idris Elba cost a hefty 275 million Polish Zloty (around $62.7 million) to develop and approximately 95 million Polish Zloty (around $21.6 million) to market.

    I’m not saying repairing and adding missing functionality isn’t a good size portion of that cost, but calling it a $125 million cost based on the cost of the expansion and marketing which were already planned regardless of how well the initial release did is miss-leading at best.

    TheAndrewBrown,

    Yeah this headline should really just say the ~$41m they actually spent improving the game because that’s still an incredibly impressive number (2/3 the amount of a full expansion). I hate when there’s a good story to tell but they want to make it look even better so they decide to mislead instead of just saying the actually impressive thing

    Tattorack, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 Dev Larian Says Its 'Full Attention' Is on Its Next Game, 'Media Blackout' for the Foreseeable
    @Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

    Larian are good developers. BG3 is a finished game with more potential and replayability that anything else. Let these guys cook.

    BreadstickNinja,

    Going quiet, heads down, focusing on the product instead of the hype. Larian doing it right.

    KingThrillgore,
    @KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

    After Half-Life 2 and Bioshock Infinite, everyone learned that the best time to announce the game is when release is 3-6 months out. Especially since 2025 and maybe 2026 is a wash with GTA6.

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