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ThePowerOfGeek, do games w NBC News Does Entire Piece Trying To Link CEO Shooting To ‘Violent Video Game’
@ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world avatar

Massive boomer energy right there.

droporain,

Coming up with the same wrong answers for over 50 years.

TimeSquirrel,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Ever since Mortal Kombat. They won't fucking drop it. 30-40 years of this shit already.

Wiz,

Hello! I played D&D first in nineteen-eighty-fucking-one and lived through the Satanic Panic. Have you seen Tom Hanks in his first big acting role? My parents sat me down in front of that. But I’m still playing D&D in a campaign right now, and my son plays as well. Aha, take that Satanic Panic!

It’s the same shit every decade. They just need something to blame violence on, because surely it can’t be gun culture.

MegaUltraChicken,

in nineteen-eighty

Immediately thought I was getting shittymorphed

fosho,

an absolute legend.

Agrivar,

One of the very few things I actually miss from that other site.

freeman,

Your parents made you watch a film because they were concerned you could not distinguish reality from fiction?

Wiz,

Well, I was something like 13, and I remember it on TV. I lived in a rural area, where we got about 6 channels on an antenna tower. I watched what they watched.

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

News for Boomers Corporation

kratoz29,
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah I am like, what year is it?

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w NBC News Does Entire Piece Trying To Link CEO Shooting To ‘Violent Video Game’

Im guessing Among Us?

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Holy crap, I thought you were joking. Yeah, it’s Among Us.

gazby,

BuT He wAS aN ASSassIn!

P1nkman,

Trained in Among Us. We should ban it!

jonne,

Next they’ll tie AOC to this because she played Among Us on Twitch once.

P1nkman,

So AOC hired Luigi. And since AOC is a Congress woman, that would mean it was ordered by congress! Everything’s coming together…

anarchrist,

I had no idea you could just kill people and lie about it until I played amogus

kadu, do games w Putin Orders Russian Tech Companies To Somehow Make Competitive Game Console In 3 Months
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

It’s totally possible if they subsidize hardware costs and sell a PC with a fancy frontend and small form factor.

It’s completely impossible if they’re looking for custom hardware.

reflectedodds,

This is what I was thinking. For a first iteration to get out the door immediately it could just be windows with a “game browser” that launches full screen when you turn it on 😂

kadu,
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, that’s what all Steam Deck competitors really are. They’re Windows 11 with atrocious launchers on top, some of which acceptable and some very buggy, plus a literal standard AMD APU that AMD is selling by the bucket, and half of them share board designs sold by Chinese suppliers pretty much ready made.

ArbiterXero,

That’s literally what the original Xbox was

ilinamorato,

They at least did the courtesy of deleting the Windows UI, though.

kautau,

It would have to run steamos or something the complexity of all the always-online launchers that modern triple a games has is something that steam handles well, and likely a huge trip up point on any frontend slapped on a windows pc

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Essentially just Playnite then?

Woozythebear,

So? That’s literally an Xbox…

PraiseTheSoup,

It’s literally not an Xbox.

meathorse,

That is literally what the first Xbox was. It’s internals was a custom mboard running a Celeron 700 and 3.5" HDD (can’t remember what the graphics was based on, maybe a GeForce MX?) with a customised Win2k OS.

All approx. It’s early and I can’t be bothered confirming those specs are 100% accurate :p

JasonDJ,

It wouldn’t be Windows, it’d probably be a variant of Astra Linux.

The year of Linux may finally be among us.

ArbiterXero,

That’s literally what the original Xbox was

Kiosade,

There was nothing small about the original Xbox.

WarmSoda,

All hail The Duke!

echodot,

Every time I see an original Xbox I’m always amazed because in my memory it was a lot smaller. I used to carry that thing to and from school I have no idea how I managed that.

Matriks404,

Original Xbox had custom OS. It run on something similar to Windows 2000 (NT 5) kernel though.

ArbiterXero,

Was just a skin on win 2k and contained an intel chip.

It was just a PC in a box.

aniki,

And not even a very optimized one.

MakePorkGreatAgain,

so… repackage a pi?

bigkahuna1986,

There’s a guy on youtube called CNCDan who did exactly that. SFF pc in a very nice 3d printed case with custom PCBs for the controller boards. If you’re at all interested in that sort of thing I think he has a 9 part series on how he built it.

LiveLM,

It’s totally gonna be a bunch of pirated games and a copy of Launchbox/Playnite lol

bigmclargehuge,
@bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world avatar

Just get one of those all in one 4"x4" PCs, slap a logo and a custom Linux distro on it and you have a console.

NaoPb,

I am also half expecting them to adopt/steal hardware from other companies.

donuts, do games w Nintendo Is Already Punishing Switch 2 Users Over Piracy ‘Suspicions’

Follow the link in the article to find out what really happened: www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch2/…/my2iylo/

I also posted this in another threads a few days ago:

Nah, the OP of one reddit thread admitted he tried more than just his backups:

  • Dude is a prolific poster in Switch hacking communities and he used an account which he previously used with a hacked Switch 1
  • He admits trying the migswitch with the Switch 2 and it starting downloading something.
  • They got an online ban, so offline games and such still work.

You can agree or disagree whether piracy should be legal or whether backup copies are permitted (depends on jurisdiction), but this dude obviously played with fire and got burnt.

TL;DR: don’t be stupid and get banned for breaking ToS (whether you agree with it or not)

edit: more context: www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch2/…/my2kigh/

MurrayL, (edited )

Sadly (at the time of writing) you’re just getting downvoted, because Lemmy’s hateboner for Nintendo is more important than context

donuts,

Yeah I was thinking the same, first few votes were down lol. Now you seem to catch the fire for pointing it out. Hope you care as much about votes as I do

Sophocles,

Things you should never get caught liking on Lemmy:
Nintendo
Windows
Auth-right, lib-right, or lib-left politics
A can of beans
Police
Man vs bear hypothetical
CalyxOS
Etc.

(Edit: formatting)

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

a can of beans

I’m pretty sure we like beans here. Unless you’re trying not to shit for 3 or more days.

fyzzlefry,

How dare you

Elevator7009,

I know Lemmy’s objection to most of these and I honestly dislike them too (oh no, brainwashed drone alert! Honestly, I consider myself quite lucky I hit a group where I actually do match the hivemind instead of being different yet again. Except I think Lemmy has a much higher tolerance for political posts, and for personal insults towards people who don’t share the hivemind than I do, but hey, you’ll probably never hit 100% consensus with any big group), except: I wasn’t aware that Lemmy had something against a can of beans. Genuinely, could someone please explain? Is this a reference to something, or is it genuine dislike towards canned beans? What’s wrong with canned beans?

Sophocles,

It’s a reference to this post. A lot of people found it funny but a lot of lemmings also thought it was insulting and spam

Elevator7009,

Thanks for the explanation!

I do not know the norms of shitpost communities, but as an outsider, I think it fits in perfectly.

Elevator7009, (edited )

Luckily at the moment they have a lot more upvotes than downvotes. Probably because they are providing information and aside from the “you are stupid for breaking (a likely-predictable) TOS and expecting nothing to happen” judgment, it’s pretty neutral on passing judgment on the bigger argument at hand: whether this policy should be here in the first place.

donuts,

If you see personal insults you should report the comment. Instances and communities have rules. Downvotes aren’t insults though

Elevator7009,

Oh yeah, I do report every time now, but I still see way too many.

Am aware downvotes are not insults and I don’t report downvotes, but also aware a lot of people use them as a plain disagree button.

katze,

They didn’t even get downvoted, but you decided to get angry about this imaginary scenario ojust in case. What’s wrong with you?

donuts,

I was sitting at like, -2 when they made that comment so not imaginary. Please try to give the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions

katze,

I was sitting at like, -2

Oh no 😱

It’s funny that in lemmy vs reddit threads people always bring up that there is no karma farming, but then you see this nonsense.

donuts, (edited )

Stop moving the goalposts. Nobody cares about the votes themselves.

This is about observing a fact and recounting it to someone who’s misinformed about the situation and even has the audicity to gaslight someone over it

overload,

God this guy broke ToS while connected to the internet? Can’t MigSwitchs run offline? I thought it was just a cart dump.

billwashere, do games w NBC News Does Entire Piece Trying To Link CEO Shooting To ‘Violent Video Game’

Wait the “violent video game” is Among Us?!?!

WT actual F

Katana314,

It could be in this very room! It could be NBA 2024! It could be Red Dead Redemption 2! It could even be-

ElmarsonTheThird,

WWE 2024! 🎺🎺🎺🎺

rumba,

You can’t argue that it’s violent, but it’s like Tom and Jerry Violent

News Outlets are dead to me.

agamemnonymous, (edited )
@agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think they interviewed people in his circles, and I think a friend flippantly noticed it was kinda ironic that they played Among Us with someone who went on to actually assassinate someone, and now the media is twisting that into the standard “video games cause violence” bugbear.

helpmyusernamewontfi,

Wait until the media hears about Garry’s Mod

Sixtyforce,
@Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works avatar

He had some shitty friends if they yap to the media.

AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor, do games w Nintendo Is Already Punishing Switch 2 Users Over Piracy ‘Suspicions’

Tbf, I hope nintendo keeps going this route and punishing more and more its customers. After all, if you keep supporting a company that hates you so much, you deserve what you get.

CluckN,

I don’t think Nintendbros will care. They already pay $120 to buy the same game twice.

SkunkWorkz,

Most of their customers don’t even know the Mig flash exists.

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m a filthy Switch pirate and I only knew of the name. I didn’t know what it was exactly or how it worked until the recent reporting about it.

pory,
@pory@lemmy.world avatar

Well if you’re already a pirate you don’t need the MIG or benefit in any way from using it. Presumably you’ve got an Erista Switch or a modchip. The MIG is only for pirating stuff on modchipless Lite/Mariko/OLED/Apparently 2 (but watch out) consoles. It can’t pirate updates or DLC or eshop-only games so it’s always worse than CFW or modchips for those that can use CFW or modchips.

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yup, I have a modded Erista. Will update the firmware for Metroid Prime 4 and then I probably won’t be playing anything new after that on it.

Glitterbomb, do games w NBC News Does Entire Piece Trying To Link CEO Shooting To ‘Violent Video Game’

This is how you radicalize actual children. It’s clear these people are completely oblivious to the fact that every 10 year old in the country knows among us and plays it. Actual children will see how completely absurd all of this is. I love this move. Go ahead, show the children how utterly out of touch the top is.

Rivalarrival, do games w NBC News Does Entire Piece Trying To Link CEO Shooting To ‘Violent Video Game’
@Rivalarrival@lemmy.today avatar

Yeah, that’s the problem. It’s our bread and circuses, not an entire industry designed to take our money and kill us.

Gork, do games w Putin Orders Russian Tech Companies To Somehow Make Competitive Game Console In 3 Months

I look forward to the release of the Blyatbox “October Revolution” edition console.

Agent641,

Gamedroog 512

random_character_a,
@random_character_a@lemmy.world avatar

With preinstalled Gulag survival simulator that you have to pay to get removed.

uis,

Will be released with The Gelendzik Siege game.

RememberTheApollo_, do games w NBC News Does Entire Piece Trying To Link CEO Shooting To ‘Violent Video Game’
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

It’s likely more than half of adults in the US play video games. About 40% of those play some kind of shooter. There are 258 million adults in the US. That’s ~129 million gamers, and ~51 million “shooters”.

Out of 51 million, they think they can link one to a game and condemn the genre?

Whatever. Try again The only people that think so are the pearl-clutchers and the press.

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

Even better, the “violent video game” they’re blaming is Among Us!

screenshot of NBC article
(Not my screenshot, and I haven’t actually read the article)

NotMyOldRedditName,

Of all the games they try to demonize, they demonize a game type people have played at home for decades at parties, in person, with no computers.

Brilliant.

90s house party game here, I’m sure people played it earlier.

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

Not too much earlier; Wikipedia says the game was invented in 1986 by psychology student Dimitry Davidoff, a psychology student at Moscow State University.

NotMyOldRedditName,

Interesting, had no idea about its origin story.

Also… of course

In June 2006 a Rockingham school inquiry was launched after parents complained of the traumatic effects classroom Mafia was having on their fifth-grade children. Davidoff responded to the reports, saying that as a parent who had studied child psychology for 25 years, he felt that the game could “teach kids to distinguish right from wrong”, and that the positive message of being honest could overcome the negative effects of an “evil narrator” moderating the game as if it were a scary story.

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

If you enjoy the game you should check out The Traitors with its many international variants. I was surprised to read that the productions provide psychologists to help the contestants as it gets traumatic, but when I watched the first UK season there were a lot of people getting into emotional distress.

There have been a lot of people cast who really shouldn’t be on the show; it’s just a game!

NotMyOldRedditName,

I love the game, that show sounds really fun!

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

The biggest difference of the TV show versus the home game is the home game just ends whenever all the killers are found. The TV show has to reach a set number of episodes, so there are mechanisms built-in to make sure there’s always at least one traitor up to the final episode.

NotMyOldRedditName,

I actually did try watching a bit of it, and while I love the idea of it, I can’t stand the length they make it due to the reality tv show.

It just drags on and on.

If they’d made them 30-40 minute episodes instead of an hour I might have liked it.

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

I guess it depends which version you watch; I think the U.S. and Canada versions are 44 minutes without commercials, but yeah, it does have some filler. When someone’s actually good at the strategy it can be interesting hearing them talk through their plans.

BlindFrog,
1985MustangCobra,
@1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca avatar

This has been done over and over again to entice boomer parents to get their kids to stop playing video games. My parents didn’t let me buy any shooter games other than jet force gemini becuase they thought it was a exploration game…

RememberTheApollo_,
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

It’s rock music. It’s “reefer madness”. Then it’s metal music with satanic messaging when played backwards. Now it’s video games. Same old blame game while never tackling the actual problems of lack of psych care, real societal pressures like financial difficulties, and more.

1985MustangCobra,
@1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca avatar

I mean aside from LSD being introduced by the CIA into the public, everything else the government tries to blame someone else.

Sterile_Technique,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

My parents didn’t let me buy any shooter games other than jet force gemini

At least you landed on solid gold! Jet Force Gemini was the single best shooter for the N64. Far superior to Golden Eye. Yes, I’ll die on this hill.

1985MustangCobra,
@1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca avatar

It was actually a really hard game. I never beat it, i sold my N64 anyways as i needed the cash.

Sterile_Technique,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Especially in the era before just looking shit up on the internet when you hit a snag. I remember scouring levels in that looking for a path that I’d missed when I couldn’t figure out where I was supposed to go next.

Definitely a highlight of the N64 for me. It’s up there with the Zeldas in my book.

1985MustangCobra,
@1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca avatar

beating majoras mask was the best thing ever.

Sterile_Technique,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

…in an it was the worst thing ever kind of way - cuz that meant it was over Q_Q

1985MustangCobra,
@1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca avatar

yeah…true

Bronzebeard,

Boomers’ children are grown ass adults with their own kids now. Those parents are the ones who grew up playing games. This dumbass narrative doesn’t play anymore

1985MustangCobra,
@1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca avatar

I’m talking about boomer parents. In respects to the millennial parents, of course they are laughing at this shit (or I would hope so)

TachyonTele,

Boomers are the parents of Gen X kids.
What you’re saying doesn’t make any sense.

1985MustangCobra,
@1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca avatar

my parents are boomers and im a millennial (90)

TachyonTele,

That’s cool. Playing the outlier game could go on all day, but it’s obviously not the norm.

1985MustangCobra,
@1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca avatar

Ok. Maybe it was just me then, but growing up in the 90s there was a push for “video games bad they are violent”

TachyonTele, (edited )

Yea. They’ve been doing it since the 70’s, and are still doing it now by trying to say Among Us made Luigi violent.

That doesn’t have anything to do with the millennial or gen z generations. The first “video game generation” was X.

Silent> Greatest> Boomer> X> Millennial> Z

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Square Enix Appears To Be Using The DMCA Takedown Process To Silence Criticism

Japanese company attempting to apply Japanese law outside of Japan – nothing new.

Wake me up when they let Yoko Taro out of his cage.

taiyang,

I’ll have you know that’s a chastity cage and Yoko Taro put himself in that position in preparation for the next big thing!

icecreamtaco,
@icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

Completely believable lol

slazer2au, do games w Top EU Court’s Advisor Explains Why Video Game Cheats Are Not Copyright Infringement

[His] opinion asserts that manipulating transient data generated during gameplay through third-party software does not infringe copyright according to the EU’s Computer Programs Directive. This distinction between protecting a game’s code and the temporary data it generates is a very significant one for all developers of game-enhancing tools.

The Advocate General also highlighted that the variable values in question are not original works of the game’s author but result from player interactions and game progression, which are unpredictable and dynamic. Since they depend on unforeseeable factors, these values lie beyond the author’s creative control.

That is an interesting distinction, the code to generate your health total is copyright but the actual health value you modify with cheats is not.

MossyFeathers,
@MossyFeathers@pawb.social avatar

I mean, this is a pretty normal distinction afaik (human vs non-human creations; afaik non-human creations almost always have any human copyright claims voided when challenged).

Imo what makes this special is how precise he’s being. If I understand correctly, he’s basically saying that the code for the health bar is a human creation and protected by copyright, but while the code to change the health value might be human-made, the actual values are machine-made and not under copyright (there’s probably a lot of nuance I’m skipping over, but my understanding is that’s the gist of it).

notfromhere,

What if the health values are human creations like special symbols or works of creative art?

MossyFeathers,
@MossyFeathers@pawb.social avatar

The symbols would be copyrighted, but the actual behind-the-scenes value (i.e. 20/100, 62.5/1200, etc) isn’t. That’s what they’re referring to.

notfromhere,

I mean what if you didn’t use 20/100 for the value, you used a symbol (in the code as the value). Would it still apply?

MossyFeathers,
@MossyFeathers@pawb.social avatar

…yes? Changing the language or the way it’s presented doesn’t change the math behind the scenes. That’s not how computers work.

notfromhere,

I’m not explaining it properly. Imagine instead of 100 hp, there is apple bananas. That isn’t really a mathematic representation in the same way that the cheat code can change. It would be a copyrighted work of art. It wouldn’t be trivial to build an hp system to do this (in fact it would be a large undertaking), but I am not asking about practicality, just what the law would find.

MossyFeathers,
@MossyFeathers@pawb.social avatar

No, no it wouldn’t. You’re still using math, you’re just using a different language. If apple bananas becomes apple pears after being hit by a bullet, you’ve changed the value. That is what math describes. You cannot avoid this. This is how computers work, and math is just another language to describe things. Even if every health value is a string, you still need to keep track of which string is currently in use so that you know when to kill the player. That requires math. That is what they’re talking about. It is not the in-game health indicator that is public domain, it is the actual health value in RAM that is generated and modified during gameplay.

It is better this way. Copyright is already abused to hell and back, if they expanded copyright to cover this kinda stuff then it would potentially destroy things like right-to-repair as companies could claim copyright infringement on anything that modifies their code.

notfromhere,

Computers work with 1s and 0s. We have decided as a society that certain combinations of those equate to being copywritable. This ruling seems to be saying the result of a calculation cannot be copywritable? Wouldn’t creative tools like movie editor or photoeditor disagree? So then is the ruling actually saying these specific values used in this instance are not copywritable, changing the health to 100 for e.g., because there is no human creativity in the result of that value?

So if a programmer used an original work of art to define the state of health in the actual code, and verified the value matches the 1s and 0s that represent that work of art (thus it only ever comes down to boolean check in the logic side, and the value of the variable is never set to something simple like 0 to 100, it was using a huge amount of RAM and a very slow comparator operator.

Yea, I went there.

cmhe, (edited )

Well, I think both are human creation, you are using the machine and the game to create something new. In that sense, a save game file could also be under the players copyright. Lets say a Minecraft world for instance.

MossyFeathers,
@MossyFeathers@pawb.social avatar

What this is saying is that the Minecraft world would not be under copyright, but anything the player built in that world would be. So you can’t copyright the world itself, but you can copyright any human-made constructions in that world.

This is wholly preferable to the alternative options which could result in things like being able to copyright AI-generated works (applying his logic to AI, they’re basically saying you can copyright any edits to an AI-gen image, but not the image itself because that was AI-gen).

cmhe, (edited )

I meant minecraft world file which stores the chunks the player explored and potentially modified. And I said “could” not “must”, it depends on if hits a certain creative threshold.

If the player decides to teleport around while creating a dickbud or whatever by just the explored chunks, that could meet it.

If someone selectivly openes quests to use the open quest markers on a map in an RPG to create a dickbud, that cloud meet it as well.

The save game could tell your individual story through the game, that cloud meet the threshold as well.

Also, because the unmodified minecraft world is randomly generated, it would not be under anyones copyright.

With AI, there could also be made an argument that the selection process might make it copyrightable. Like if you take a picture of a interesting looking cloud. The clouds might be semi-random, but you selecting a specific one reaches the threshold.

Semjaza,

A Minecraft World isn’t, not even if you draw on it with exploration as the world was generated from a random seed.

It is random, and unpredictable. You could maybe make an argument from reusing the random seed… But since the ability to turn the seed into the map isn’t something a human can replicate without Minecraft I think it also fails the test for copyright.

cmhe, (edited )

Nature is often random and unpredictable, but the process of selecting a interesting POV and taking a picture of it is still copyrightable.

I wouldn’t be so sure that if you discover a seed, that can be transformed using minecraft into a world with very interesting and specific properties, could not be under copyright protection.

In fact movies, pictures and books are specific numbers on a digital storage medium as well, that are transformed using a codec. That isn’t something that can be easily replicated without that codec.

I am not a copyright lawyer, but I think there are precedences where just the selection process from a stream of (semi-) random number, pictures, sound or events alone can produce copyrightable products.

Semjaza,

Yes, and you have copyright on the photo - not the layout of the plants and trees in it, nor even the angle of the subject. Someone else can go with a camera and take their own photo without touching your copyright.

Much like with digital files, the copyright is as it is a non-random transformation of a mostly replicable media product. People don’t have a copyright on numbers, even if their 5000 trillion billion digit number happened to turn into a 1960s Disney short if you run it through the right compiler.

cmhe, (edited )

Yes, and you have copyright on the photo - not the layout of the plants and trees in it, nor even the angle of the subject. Someone else can go with a camera and take their own photo without touching your copyright.

A work is original if it is independently created and is sufficiently creative. Creativity in photography can be found in a variety of ways and reflect the photographer’s artistic choices like the angle and position of subject(s) in the photograph, lighting, and timing. As a copyright owner, you have the right to make, sell or otherwise distribute copies, adapt the work, and publicly display your work.

www.copyright.gov/engage/photographers/

So if someone intentionally reproduces a picture, they violate copyright, IIUC.

In the case of minecraft, I think a case can be made, where the “picture” is the minecraft world, and the creativity is the selection process by the artist. The artist chooses their angle, position, lighting, etc, in this case they choose properties of the world, maybe by visiting thousands of them, using seed search machines, or other reverse engineering tools etc.

I all depends on if the artist can raise their work above just the random noise they get as an input in a creative way. I am not saying that all minecraft worlds (or save games for that matter) are subject to copyright, but since we are dealing with blurry lines of copyright, it is possible.

IANAL, but I think if I would look into case law, I would find examples for both options, in some cases the “selection process” was enough to demonstrate creativity, and in other cases it wasn’t.

You are correct it isn’t about the numbers, it is about the artistic and creative product that is copyrightable, which, in case of digital art, is represented as numbers, and distribution of those might be punished by law.

I am just saying that digital art can be more that just still or moving pictures and sound. It can be a world space the artist prepared for you where you can move around.

About the section on the law, I would read it just as stating what is covered under copyright, and not what isn’t. I also just mentioned what original work is, not describing derived work.

Semjaza,

First, we’re talking cross duristicion, since I was using the EU ruling above.

Second, I’m wondering if what that US page means is that a non-original work doesn’t get copyright protections, or that non-original work is itself in breach of copyright? Maybe I should go digging to find out.

I agree deliberately designed digital worlds are artistic creations. Just that randomly generated ones are not.

You’re probably right that legal examples on both sure probably already exist.

cmhe,

BTW, thank you for this discussion!

The crux of the matter for me is the question wherever “the selection process” alone is enough to create art or not, and depending on my mood I fall to one side or another on that question. Not specifically if it is under copyright or not, because that sort of follows from that.

Artists often use randomness in various parts of their creation process, what is really required is the human element. Is a picture of a cloud, that speaks to the photographer in some way art or just a picture of a random cloud?

I guess this has to be decided on a case by case basis, therefore I cannot completely exclude it.

Semjaza,

You’re welcome, and thank you too.

I agree with all that. The edge cases are tricky and there’s no easy answer.

A painter flicking or splashing paint on a canvas presumably makes something with copyright protection.

Does an accidentally statically impossible basically impossible to tell apart version accidentally made by someone flicking and splashing their own paint infringe it? I’d hope not but can’t really argue for a rule on it that doesn’t involve believing stated goals/mind reading.

Guess not a thing us mortals/non-legal professionals can ever answer.

otp,

The music on the CD is copyrighted, but you’re free to use the Bass Boost feature or whatever on the thing you’re playing the music from

hoshikarakitaridia,
@hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah honestly this makes a lot of sense to me.

ignirtoq,

This makes sense to me, and is in line with recent interpretations about AI-generated artwork. Basically, if a human directly creates something, it's protected by copyright. But if someone makes a thing that itself creates something, that secondary work is not protected by copyright. AI-generated artwork is an extreme example of this, but if that's the framework, applying it to data newly generated by any code seems reasonable.

This wouldn't/shouldn't apply to something like compression, where you start with a work directly created by someone, apply an algorithm to transform it into a compressed state, and then apply another algorithm to transform the data back into the original work. That original work was still created by someone and so should be protected by copyright. But a novel generation of data, like the game state in memory during the execution of the game's programming, was never directly created by someone, and so isn't protected.

Adalast,

This raises a rather sticky situation for the coming years. I have been seeing more and more posts about developers using GPT generated code in various projects. If a game is made and it is found that GPT was used for some parts of the core code, does the whole project lose its copyright?

ignirtoq,

I don't see how this wouldn't be derivative work. I highly doubt a robust, commercial software solution using AI-generated code would not have modified that code. I use AI to generate boilerplate code for my side projects, and it's exceedingly rare that its product is 100% correct. Since that generated code is not copyrightable, it's public domain, and now I'm creating a derived work from it, so that derived work is mine.

As AI gets better at generating code and we can directly use it without modification, this may become an issue. Or maybe not. Maybe once the AI is that good, you no longer have software companies, since you can just generate the code you need, so software development as a business becomes obsolete, like the old human profession of "computer."

Lemminary, do games w Putin Orders Russian Tech Companies To Somehow Make Competitive Game Console In 3 Months

Out of touch and delusional, what’s new.

BaroqueInMind,

He is the Russian equivalent of a baby boomer mandating with the implied threat of death that his own government pay a single shitty local satellite set-top box distributor (let’s be real, it’s likely just cheap chinese hardware) to develop and spread Russian culture through video game media in less than three months (which is probably already developed and was waiting for more money to market and enter production).

Sounds like he is very in touch, because that is one of the ways how U.S. culture is spreading throughout the world currently.

Lemminary, (edited )

… with software and hardware development. Literally what the article talks about.

echodot,

Sounds like he is very in touch, because that is one of the ways how U.S. culture is spreading throughout the world currently.

With the absolutely stonking caveat that the US government didn’t mandate that, it just happened naturally over time. Over decades and decades. Particularly helped by the US speaking English. In a lot of parts of the world English is a good second language.

But the only people who speak Russian is Russia. No one has Russian is their second language outside of a few Baltic states and even then often it’s a tertiary language, not a true second language. This is a huge limiter on their ability to spread culture.

Jaysyn, do games w Unity Fallout Continues: Dev Group Shuts Down While Developers Refuse To Come Back
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

As is appropriate. Last time I looked their stock was in steady decline as well.

Immersive_Matthew,

I noticed that too, but the decline is very gradual which shows you how out of touch the shareholders are. I bet most are unaware they are on a sinking ship.

ArmoredThirteen,

Steady decline save for any time JR opens his mouth then it goes into a nosedive for a week.

explodicle,

Just hodl bro, gamers will pay for anything! [SNOOOORT]

Aielman15, do games w No, Phil Spencer, Having AI Mock Up An Old Game Is Not The Same As Preserving It
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

AI techbros will have you believe that you can solve world hunger, cure cancer, and colonize Mars with a few prompts on ChatGPT.

Yet their AI is still incapable of answering two prompts consecutively without making shit up, or drawing a human without turning it into an eldritch abomination.

Game preservation could be fixed with open source emulators and fixing copyright laws so that I’m allowed to download a game nobody has profited from in two decades, but that’s not appealing to big corporations.

BananaTrifleViolin,

Yeah, instead game preservation is being solved by abandonware and copyright infringement.

Legal open source software is doing the heavy lifting, and then torrenting is sharing by he files. But there is a huge risk as there is no safety net to preserve the niche and unpopular games.

The game publishers and broken copyright laws are blocks to preservation but fortunately people are just doing it anyway. And the more the big companies push against it (including targeting emulation systems for current systems) the more they push it underground and out of any control they might have had. Typical greed and stupidity.

Duamerthrax,

AI techbros will have you believe that you can solve world hunger, cure cancer

And yet they don’t. Well, we already know how to solve world hunger. Just not a willingness.

Researchers are using AI as an additional tool for discovering new drugs, but the techbros and pharmabros are going to be over charging for any new cures even if they become cheaper to discover.

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