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Quazatron, do games w Nintendo’s Anti-Consumer Anti-Piracy Measures Also Reduce The Value Of The Switch 2
@Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

Any platform that restricts how and what I can run in it has inherently less value to me. This is why I mostrly avoided consoles all my life.

The only console I bought was the original Wii. The games were extremely expensive, and they disabled all the services that made the console useful after a few years (weather channel, news channel, store).

Fortunately I added a few SNES, PCEngine, Genesis/Megadrive and Gamecube emulators otherwise I would now have a very pretty white doorstop.

Empricorn,

I’m pretty sure you can mod any Wii now, bypassing all these restrictions and adding back replacements for the missing channels.

Quazatron,
@Quazatron@lemmy.world avatar

There was the Homebrew Channel back then, but it seemed to have gone offline. I assumed people just lost interest and moved on.

Based on what you said I did a quick search and found that there’s still an active community around the console, so thank you!

I’m updating my Homebrew Browser to see what’s new.

sugar_in_your_tea,

My history with consoles is:

  1. Whatever by brother bought
  2. OG Xbox to play Halo
  3. Xbox 360 for Kinect games
  4. Switch - play w/ kids; Smash has been amazing for this
  5. Steam Deck - not a console, but I use it as one; got it to play games in bed

I play most games on PC because I’m just not as interested in exclusives anymore, except maybe Zelda games, and with BOTW and TOTK, I’m less interested in those (they lost the formula I like).

I’ll probably get the Switch 2 eventually, but I’ll wait until there’s a game I really want (say, ALttP remake or something), my kids break our OLED Switch, or there’s an OLED Switch 2 with better battery life.

simple, do games w Nintendo’s Anti-Consumer Anti-Piracy Measures Also Reduce The Value Of The Switch 2

This whole article is dumb because this is the same as it ever was with Switch 1. Resold switches could be banned from online play, how is this unique to the Switch 2? If you're going to buy used, go for a reputable source.

space, do games w Putin Orders Russian Tech Companies To Somehow Make Competitive Game Console In 3 Months

It will be named the BlyatStation

DAMunzy,

Cyka!

As I said to the other BlyatStation comment. 🤣

Rush B!

cm0002, do games w Nintendo Is Already Punishing Switch 2 Users Over Piracy ‘Suspicions’
@cm0002@lemmy.world avatar

Yes Nintendo yes! I’m sure you won’t turn into a Sony after the OtherOS debacle, just keep doin what you’re doing! LMAO

LiveLM, do games w NBC News Does Entire Piece Trying To Link CEO Shooting To ‘Violent Video Game’

Huh, I thought NBC was a respectable news org…

Passerby6497,

Lol

dotslashme, do gaming w No, Phil Spencer, Having AI Mock Up An Old Game Is Not The Same As Preserving It

This seem less to do with preservation and more to do with capitalizing on an old game on a new platform.

DarkFuture, do games w NBC News Does Entire Piece Trying To Link CEO Shooting To ‘Violent Video Game’
@DarkFuture@lemmy.world avatar

Our “news” outlets are simply pathetic.

It’s embarrassing.

reverendsteveii, do games w Putin Orders Russian Tech Companies To Somehow Make Competitive Game Console In 3 Months

if it’s normally 3 years just hire 12x as many developers and it’ll be fine.

Mikelius,

Yeah, everyone knows 9 women can generate a baby in 1 month.

uis, do games w Putin Orders Russian Tech Companies To Somehow Make Competitive Game Console In 3 Months

Wait, what? He is senile, but not THAT much. Although he was senile enough for war.

To be fair he probably doesn’t even know what game console is.

CluckN,

Russia probably wants high powered chips for military use. Fronting it as an entertainment initiative may entice more investors.

Everythingispenguins,

This 100% this

Anti_Iridium,

Maybe. Or if you’re engrossed in videogames, you don’t care your neighbor is drafted.

intensely_human,

Or they’re gonna make video games that are suspiciously like piloting drones

cRazi_man, do gaming w Nintendo’s Anti-Consumer Anti-Piracy Measures Also Reduce The Value Of The Switch 2

Are Nintendo’s shit practice’s going to make any difference to people falling over themselves to buy their stuff?

Best selling console of all time, you say?

Karyoplasma,

No. Switch 3 will be another “instabuy” after some flavor-of-the-week TikTok influencer uploads a video saying they will buy it.

The whole world spiraled into degeneracy.

donuts, do games w Nintendo’s Anti-Consumer Anti-Piracy Measures Also Reduce The Value Of The Switch 2

it can suspend all kinds of services on your console, up to and including bricking it completely.

No, just online services.

Xbox and PlayStation have the same terms & conditions. Why is Nintendo being singled out?

Xbox:

You will not attempt to defeat or circumvent any Xbox Console, Kinect Sensor or Authorised Accessory technical limitation, security or anti-piracy system. If You do, Your Xbox Console, Kinect Sensor or Authorised Accessory may stop working permanently at that time or after a later Xbox Software update.

PlayStation:

we reserve the right to take any action we believe necessary to remedy the violation or to protect SIE’s interests, including: (a) the automatic removal or blockage of content associated with those Accounts; (b) implementation of upgrades or devices intended to discontinue unauthorized use; © the permanent or temporary disablement of access to any PSN Content, PlayStation Devices, products, services or features; (d) notifying law enforcement or the appropriate authority; and (e) initiating legal action.

edit: added some more words from the respective ToS to make it more legible

Noerknhar,

They can brick it in the US, not in UK or EU.

donuts,

That’s a problem of the US law or lack of consumer protections compared to UK/EU, not because it’s Nintendo. All the other companies have this too.

Noerknhar,

The second part simply isn’t true. Look at the ToS wording (US version). Nintendo added a clause specific to the device’s functioning, not only to online services.

donuts,

This has been a thing since 2005 or so, why are we still surprised again?

Passerby6497,

“This shitty company has been shitty for 20 years, why do we care” is one of the most fanboi, dickriding responses possible. Why are you riding for Nintendo so hard given their shitty anti-consumer practices?

donuts,

Why is it “dickriding” to point out this has been a standard practice for all competitors for over 20 years?

I don’t understand why you immediately go to the extreme and think this is me defending them? If anything, I’m saying it’s all bad.

MurrayL,

Agreed. Permanent hardware bans have been a thing since the PS3/360 era.

I’m not saying it’s a good thing that they can unilaterally disable hardware you purchased (although I certainly understand the reasoning wrt cheaters and pirates) but the author here is acting like the idea is some completely new scheme from the diabolical industry villains du jour.

It’s disingenuous at best.

UltraMagnus0001,

Seems Nintendo is actually doing it

Miaou, do games w Nintendo Is Already Punishing Switch 2 Users Over Piracy ‘Suspicions’

Thanks Nintendo, now I’m looking up what the mig flash is lol

Crankenstein,

Gotta love the Streisand effect.

lvxferre, do gaming w NBC News Does Entire Piece Trying To Link CEO Shooting To ‘Violent Video Game’
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

In other words the Fediverse Canvas 2024 was a gathering of murderers. So many violent symbols like this: ████ █▒▒▒ ██▒▒▒ █████ ████ █ █

…on a more serious note. Can’t they simply that USA’s healthcare system is so fucked up that people are taking the matters into their own hands?

Stalinwolf, do games w Putin Orders Russian Tech Companies To Somehow Make Competitive Game Console In 3 Months
@Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca avatar

Just give him an NES with Battletoads, file off any print, and tell him you made it.

uis,
simple, do games w Nintendo Is Already Punishing Switch 2 Users Over Piracy ‘Suspicions’

Why is the title worded that way, he literally was pirating. It isn't 'Suspicions' to use a MIG cartridge.

raltoid,

Because in the US and several other countries you can legally back up a cartridge that you have bought. In that case it wouldn’t be piracy.

DacoTaco,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Even if that is legal (it isnt), but it will be circumvention of encryption at worst and recreation of protected algorithms, code and keys in a non-nintendo product at best ( and thats before talking about game cartridge content ).
Last i checked that is still illegal hehe

RightHandOfIkaros,

Even if that is legal (it isn’t)

  1. Are you a lawyer?
  2. I am not a lawyer, but I have talked to lawyers about this before and their answer was basically:

The owner of a copy of a game or other computer software may “make or authorize the making of another copy.” Legally speaking, the law does not require the person who owns the copy to personally make the backup copy, nor does it specify that the backup copy be made only from the copy owned.

This is important because on Nintendo’s own website they state the following:

Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not […] it is illegal to download […] a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.

What Nintendo is saying here is outright wrong. A person who only has only temporary possession of a game (such as rental or borrowing) gains no rights under 17 USC 117, and may not download a copy without separate permission, which obviously Nintendo would never grant However, A person with permanent possession of a game (such as a legally purchased game either from retail or used) DOES gain those rights to an archival copy. These rights supercede any restriction on those rights Nintendo would presume to apply. Nintendo presumes to add extra conditions and terms that do not actually exist in the law.

The purpose of the archival copy provision is to protect legal owner’s access to the computer software in case of damage. If your copy of a game breaks, such as a broken CD, you have the legal right, as owner of that CD, to continue to use the computer software on that CD no matter its physical condition. An archival copy could then be used to create a working version of that CD so that you, the legal owner of that copy, may continue to access that computer software. This is also the case when access to that software becomes difficult or impossible, such as a game or other computer software that is stored on archaic storage media such as a floppy disk or paper tape.

DarkMetatron,

This is correct, as long as the copy was produced lawfully, which is only possible if no copy protection was circumvented.

Section 103 (17 U.S.C Sec. 1201(a)(1)) of the DMCA states: No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.

This law was created to limit the rights from 17 USC 117, and yes exceptions to section 103 exist, but those are very specific and some of them even exclude games specifically from the exceptions.

But I am no lawyer, and as a European I only have a very limited view and knowledge of US laws, so yes it is only my understanding of those laws and I could be wrong, so don’t take my words as a legal advice or anything like that. I am only a normal human with some experience with laws and jurisdictions, but far away from a specialist.

DacoTaco, (edited )
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

What is defined as copy here? Cartridge data (game data, not firmware etc) is encrypted and can only be accessed by a protocol that is like spi, but is proprietary, by a specific chip running nintendo code. Or is a copy a full backup of everything on the chip?
Is the copy a raw copy? Has the data been modified/decrypted/or any algorithm processed it?
These things define wether a copy falls under this or not. Check what the fineprint or laws defines what ’ a copy’ is exactly in this case.
If it doesnt, what i mentioned are important to see if what you said apply here or not.

Like @DarkMetatron said, its only legal if nothing is done with the data. Any decryption using a nintendo key is infact, illegal, and falls under piracy.

This is why dolphin was removed from steam, because they do exactly that. Decrypt the data to use it.

If the process of dumping does any encryption or decryption, you also get in trouble in what they said.

These are the laws, and the lawyer you asked this too must not have been specialised in ip law, copyright and games, or doesnt know the technical details to decide on this.

The mig chip uses a proprietary protocol to send data of a partly, semi decrypted, game image. That will not go well in court, no matter if the rom was obtained legally.

Goronmon,

In that case it wouldn’t be piracy.

What about in this case?

DarkMetatron,

You may have the right to make a backup, but playing that backup on a non sectioned device or via non sectioned means is still a breach of the TOS and breaking the license terms of the game and/or console. Oh and it is in violation of the DMCA as far as I know, because to make the backup it is needed to circumvent copy protection, which is forbidden by the rules of the DMCA (and equal laws in other jurisdictions like Europe). You may own the cartridge, but you still only have a license (with very specific terms and rules) to use the software on it.

raltoid,

Using modified hardware might break other regulations or terms of services, but using a backup copy of a copy you own that hardware is not piracy in several jursidictions. Which is the answer to the question in the comment.

And no, it is specifically not against DMCA to make a backup of media that you physically own. That’s actually a major part of what make self-copied ROMs legal in the US.

DarkMetatron,

Nearly all jurisdictions have DMCA like laws which clearly say that circumventing copy protection is against the law. So in those jurisdictions it is piracy to use a backup of a copy protected game and I am very sure that a map of the countries where the Switch 2 can be officially bought and a map with countries who have thoses laws will produce a lot of matches. Maybe I am wrong, but I highly doubt it.

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