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Zozano, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games
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No Terraria :(

SmoochyPit, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

This list was really hard for my phone to view. It’s an older phone, so that’s probably why, but it kept freezing and reloading.

Stovetop, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

ITT: people think emulators are only the ones you can download

dustyData,

In this comment: Someone who is not familiar with the history of Nintendo selling pirated versions of their own games and ripping off pirate emulators then passing them as their own.

TeoTwawki,
@TeoTwawki@lemmy.world avatar

or the history of nintendo falsely claiming that emulation itself was an illegal practice when trying to bully and scare people into submission…

JackbyDev,

Did the terms of the emulators they ripped off allow them to? Not saying it’s morally okay.

Blackmist, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

I would not be at all surprised if the Switch NES and SNES emulators are running an open source emulator that they’ve tried to shut down.

SomethingBurger,

I would. They would have been found out already if it were the case, and they already proved they can develop their own emulators.

drasglaf,
@drasglaf@sh.itjust.works avatar

They’ve been caught using ROMs downloaded from some ROMs download website, so it wouldn’t be that surprising.

SomethingBurger,

No they have not. If they dumped their own cartridge or had the ROM somewhere in their archives, it would be identical to one downloaded from the Internet. The whole controversy happened because someone saw the iNES headers in whatever release of Super Mario Bros was new at the time. Those headers are added by all NES cartridge dumpers, and the creator of this format developed the NES emulator used by Nintendo in Animal Crossing for the GameCube.

dustyData,

Rom pirates usually trim and sign their releases, specially if they have to break or decode any encryption. These pirate’s signatures have been found in official Nintendo releases. Some of their own emulators have also been found to run piracy emulation software. They are pretty much hypocrites.

doctortran,

Moreover, they’re going to want an emulator that can be managed alongside the rest of the museum software.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

Throwback to the NES Classic ROM having a ripper/uploader’s signature in the game code. Because Nintendo didn’t ever bother archiving their own games, and just downloaded ROMs from the same sites they were trying to shut down.

wizardbeard, do pcgaming w Windows 10 only has a year of support: 12 months left to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux

There will be ways to force your Windows 10 machine to pull down the continued updates meant for government and extended support contracts, just like there was for Windows 7.

Not a good or particularly safe way to keep your PC, and even the extended updates will stop eventually, but worth knowing in case anyone is afraid of making the full switch to Linux.

Nexy, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing
@Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Anyway, what’s the point of a museum of a console maker without showing original hardware?

doctortran,

That’s like saying what’s the point of the air and space museum if they’re not actually flying the planes.

They’re not going to use the original hardware and put wear on them. That’s a standard part of archiving.

DarkMetatron,

No it is more like saying “What is the point of going to an museum of art when all the paintings and statues are only photocopies and 3D printed replicas”

SkunkWorkz,

They have original hardware on display.

PunchingWood, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

I was joking when in a previous post about the museum I said it better not run on any emulators…

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f4076a41-de37-40c9-93e6-952c43fe307e.gif

So… Why aren’t they selling said emulators and roms? I ain’t gonna travel half the world to play one in an overpriced museum.

wizardbeard,

Um… they are, and have been for almost 20 years, since the Wii. Or the N64 depending on how you look at it.

What did you think Virtual Console was? How about the NES and SNES mini? What about the “Nintendo Game Pass” or whatever they’re calling it?

Animal Crossing’s original Japan release had NES games in it, and so did the GC rerelease/psuedosequel we got internationally too.


Even better: During the Wii era, the Wiis at the Nintendo Store in New York City ran official Nintendo made software to load games off a connected hard drive, so you could play multiple of their new releases without workers having to switch discs.


It has always been about attempts to prevent piracy and keep control over how people access their games for Nintendo, and they are roughly 10 years behind the curve on modern tech trends.

Either stop supporting them or get used to it.

PunchingWood, (edited )

The problem is that they had stuff like Virtual Console and then decide to pull the plug. Then rebrand as some other feature in an online service, which is yet another service that’s gonna be a wait and see on whether or when they’ll pull the plug again. Forcing people to pay for old stuff over and over again.

They should sell this kind off stuff independently from their consoles/handhelds, preferably something that runs on a PC or any platform.

The NES and SNES mini were great examples of how it could be done, except there too they decided to only make a limited amount, essentially the same as pulling the plug.

Nintendo’s truly an awful company. It’s baffling how often they get praised for their stuff, they only dangle some 15+ year old reskinned game and people forget all about it.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

This is an excellent article that covers how and why the VC died.

People say they want it back, but most titles never sold all that well back then.

PunchingWood,

I think, like that post mentions as well, that prices were the biggest issue. The points system being a garbage system in the first place, easily a system I would instantly be turned off from, I absolutely hate buying currencies to buy something, instead of just outright seeing the actual prices in the store. But if you’d want to buy a small collection for a couple of decades old games it would add up quickly.

The problem with Nintendo’s always been the insane prices. I’m especially hesitant to buy anything digital or any services from Nintendo. Knowing they could decide to pull the plug any time again.

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Probably after people learned that nintendo had no proper account system so you would lose your purchases if your console died and needed the hassle of sending it to them for them to transfer to a new console.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Yeah, I stopped buying from the VC when the Wii U asked me to pay to "upgrade" my games.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

There is no way to legally buy their ROMs anymore. You can only rent them in perpetuity. When they did sell them, they didn’t forward port your purchases to their next device, which is hilariously stupid, and you know they’d take you to court for dumping those same ROMs to your PC to organize, customize, and play the way you like them. If they just sold these things DRM-free on a web site for me to put in Emulation Station, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

halcyoncmdr,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

I’d bet the emulators in use are actually publicly available ones. Not anything Nintendo made. Adding to the hypocrisy.

Mirodir,

I hate to defend Nintendo, but they used their own Emulators in the NES and SNES Mini (Kachikachi and Canoe respectively). I would be surprised if they just yoinked one from the internet here.

Voyajer,
@Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

I mean, they’ve done it before in part.

Nuke_the_whales, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

But they own it. I thought even I could download a ROM if I have the actual game no?

RoosterBoy,

No, at least in the US, you can only back up your own ROM if you own the game, not download someone else’s backup. The real problem here is that Nintendo’s (idiotic) stance is ALL emulation/backups are piracy and here they are being hypocrites about it.

Nexy, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing
@Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I can see Nintendo shutting down his own museum for piratery.

Jarix,

His?

Eyelessoozeguy,

I think they dropped a T

BradleyUffner,

Hits

FloatingAlong,

John Nintendo, founder and CEO?

cybermass, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

I love how this article takes shots at steam despite valve being THE company holding the bar up in the gaming space.

I could list examples but I honestly don’t even think I need to

b3an,
@b3an@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah… it’s also a new law in California is it not? Kill shot? Hahahaha. Right. Who wrote this headline xD

PunchingWood,

It’s like every clickbait gaming website whenever a new MMO game drops and they call it the WoW-killer for the umpteenth time in the past 15 years.

Zahille7,

Flashbacks from the advertising for The Outer Worlds, and IGN calling it the “Bethesda-killer”

RisingSwell,

The true Bethesda killer was Bethesda themselves

PunchingWood,

Lol that comparison was also going through my head. I remember it being a fun game though, more than any Bethesda games from the past decade or so, but frankly that bar wasn’t really high either.

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If anything is a “Bethesda-killer”, it’s games like Outer Wilds, not The Outer Worlds.

tuckerm,

Absolutely. I mean, I love the fact that GOG has DRM-free games. It's really incredible how many games are available without DRM because of them.

But I'm not going to make Valve out to be the bad guy here. Valve is like 99% of the reason why gaming on Linux is viable right now.

Valve seems like a great example of how, if you don't sell your company to venture capitalists, you can just be cool nerds that make good products. As much as I want DRM-free to be the norm, I'm also not going to vilify a company that is one of the best examples of not enshittifying right now.

Glide,

A lot of Steam games are also DRM free. It’s up to the individual developers whether they enforce DRM checks or not.

I’ve copied files from Steam folders directly to a flash drive, plugged them into an offline, Steam-less computer that I don’t have rights to install anything on, and ran them perfectly. But it is a game-by-game thing.

Blaiz0r,

Also GOG has DRM games now

ChapulinColorado,

I was wondering how all those Sony games worked on GOG.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Which ones? Do they disclose that they contain DRM?

Aceticon,

The info is here and none of that “DRM” means you can’t in the future, after the servers are down, install the game from your copy of the offline installer and play it.

None of that is DRM in the sense we’re talking about here: the kind of mechanism that allows the game to be taken away from you or won’t let you install it or play it in single-player anymore when the publisher decides they don’t want to pay for servers anymore.

It is, none the less, a deviation from the No-DRM promise, IMHO.

blind3rdeye,

If we’re talking about DRM as in a measure to prevent copying, or require online security check, or anything like that, then no GOG game has DRM. One of GOG’s core policies is that all of their games are DRM free. However, some people have stretched the definition a little to include other stuff. For example, if an online multiplayer game requires GOG Galaxy to connect to its online servers, some people consider that to be DRM.

There are some posts on GOG’s official forums where people try to list all the games that have “DRM” of any kind. So if you’re interested, that’s where you could look. But if you just want to have confidence that you’ll be able to install and run the game in the future, then don’t worry about it. No GOG game has anything that would prevent that.

msage,

And has had them for many years before now

Aceticon,

Not in the sense we’re discussing it here, they don’t.

There’s a list of about 20 games said to have DRM in Gog and when you actually read the list rather than just it’s title it turns out none of them has what we would call DRM - any sort of phone-home validation or anti-piracy measure.

It’s mainly things games with add-on content that requires you use Gog Galaxy or register online, some that send analytics to a server and stuff like that.

You can see the info here,

Whilst it’s still nasty and still shouldn’t be happening, none of that makes the game unusable in the future after the servers are down if you still have the offline installer.

Anivia,

Yeah, the only caveat is that you don’t get an installer with steam, so if you copy the installed game onto a pc that doesn’t have all the correct dependencies installed (like the correct DirectX version for example), then the game won’t launch. But it’s not too complicated to install the dependencies manually

Grimy,

Lmao, he is colluding with the rest, not holding up the bar.

There is nothing rhat differentiates Steam from Microsoft or Nintendo. The only difference between Gaben and Bezos is that valve has a really good advertising team that’s managed to convince everyone he “isn’t your average billionaire”.

They charge 30% because they have a soft monopoly, it’s basically robbery and it is affecting the indie scene and the quality and amount of games we receive.

Gaben has 6 mega yatchs and a number of submarines. The yatchs alone are worth around 1 billion and cost an estimated 75 to 100 million per year just to maintain.

Now I sit and wait for the Gaben simp squad to come compare him to Jesus and tell me how “he has the only good monopoly”. Both of these things literally happened last time.

Downvote me you bootlickers.

Glide,

No one thinks Gaben is the second coming. His platform just, actually doesn’t suck, and genuinely functions as a service to its users. It’s a low bar, sure, but it’s a good one. Comparing it to Microsoft axeing any studio that produces something worth talking about while they force more datascraping malware and adware into Windows is just dishonest.

Your comment reads more like you get off on being controversial than having actual insightful thoughts and the comparisons in what these three companies you listed are actually doing.

Grimy,

Ya well if it’s such a fucking low bar, it’s probably because they aren’t holding it up which is my point.

They do the absolute minimum, yet receive mountains of praise. Call me when he brings down the cut to something reasonable like 5% or just let’s dev choose what price they sell their games for on other platforms ffs.

Indie companies are closing left and right, these mega stores and their soft monopoly is having a net negative impact on the industry.

Stop defending billionaires. If steam was fair, he wouldn’t be able to afford a billion dollars worth of fancy boats.

null,

Your argument was that Steam is identical to Microsoft and Nintendo, and that Gabe is colluding with them. Stop moving the goalposts.

Grimy,

Okay, so to be clear, I’m saying they don’t have enough difference between them when it comes to being a gross monopolistic company to warrant the praise.

All four of them suck, I’m saying they are all in the same group of shifty companies that take advantage of the gaming industry and it’s clients (us).

null,

So just a boring, generic anti-capitalist take that deliberately avoids any nuance for the sake of feeling smug.

Gee, why would anyone downvote that!

Grimy,

There’s not enough nuance to justify drinking Gabens sweat.

Why is he the only billionaire that gets his own little simp squad. Can you imagine going into a thread about how Elon Musk is being a dick and 90% of the comments are praising him?

Amazon is super convenient, yet people still can understand the nuance of it and how it’s harming small businesses, how the government should probably do something and deal with the dragon at its head that’s hoarding all that wealth.

Where’s your nuance? Other than “I like steam and I use it, so it can do no wrong”.

null,

The nuance is here in this thread, in multiple comments that have clearly demonstrated that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

But you’re too busy backpedaling and jerking off about how much you hate billionaires to actually engage with any of those points. Or more likely, you know you’re too ignorant to respond to them.

Grimy, (edited )

They charge 30% because they have a soft monopoly, it’s basically robbery and it is affecting the indie scene and the quality and amount of games we receive.

Gaben has 6 mega yatchs and a number of submarines. The yatchs alone are worth around 1 billion and cost an estimated 75 to 100 million per year just to maintain.

This is from my first post, I’ve repeated myself 4 times now (over two threads because you have answered mutiple different comments). I won’t be answering anymore of your comments, all you are spitting in my face is childish rhetoric.

null,

Oh look, another boring block of text so you can avoid replying to the commentor who proved you’re either dumb or just lying.

We get it, your point can be dumbed down to a mouth-breathing “capitalism bad”.

Glide,

And, to be clear, Capitalism is bad. I’m on board. But riding Gaben’s dick, or the dick of any boring dystopian billionaire instead of the people actively fighting to maintain the system is just grossly missing the point

Not all evils are equal, and any perceived slight by Steam is honestly smoke for the thousands of disgustingly rich venture capitalists constantly abusing the system that exists and lobbying the shit out of any attempt to fix it. I don’t blame Gaben for owning more yacht’s than anyone needs, because, at the end of the day, he’s providing a quality service through an unfair system. He’s not the one fighting to provide shittier and shittier systems, demanding fatter and fatter paychecks and encouraging us to blame each other for the state of the world while he runs off with the largest slice of the cake.

Should he have the wealth he has access to? Fuck no. But, again, the dishonest and disgustingly simplified argument that homie is making is only idiofying the cause. Target the problems, not the lucky guys who are providing halfway reasonable services through our broken-ass system.

null,

Well said.

It’s not that what he’s saying is out-and-out wrong – it’s just not useful or interesting in the context of the discussion.

Grimy, (edited )

Its kind of a shame that you respond to him instead of me, you are literally circle jerking each other.

Homie over her is just tired of seeing simps defend this pos billionaire and his company. The fact is the government will never act if this is the kind of vibe they’re getting from the community. Bootlickers are holding us back.

He is not just part of the unfair system, he is 1/4 of it. You make it sound like poor old gaben is a victim here and was forced to participate in collusion and robbing a whole industry blind.

Glide,

I respond to people when they say something worth responding to. You think my post makes Gaben sound like a victim. Either your reading comprehension has completely failed and you aren’t capable of having a real conversation, or my first comment about being far more interested in saying controversial shit than thinking things through was spot on, and you’re arguing in bad faith and/or to pleasure your ego. Since it’s not my job to educate you, nor satisfy you, even giving you this much recognition is a compliment. Have a good one.

Grimy, (edited )

You responded to him not only to get his praise, but so I’d miss it and wouldn’t challenge your opinion. It’s the definition of a circle jerk. And you literally talked about me and my previous inputs in the comment in a derogatory way. It’s rude.

I don’t blame Gaben for owning more yacht’s than anyone needs, because, at the end of the day, he’s providing a quality service through an unfair system.

This is what I mean by bootlickers being the problem. I’m exaggerating when I say you make him out to look like a victim, but this praise is way too heavy. He is the unfair system. He could have taken a step back after his first mega yatch but he choose to keep the ball rolling with his buddies at Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo.

Glide,

You responded to him not only to get his praise, but so I’d miss it and wouldn’t challenge your opinion.

Seek help. The fact that you need to create such insane delusions is a problem. The real answer is I ignored my phone, went about my day, and enjoyed my time with my hobbies and loved ones. When I found the conversation later, I stepped into the most recent comment. And I had much more to add to their comment than your inane ramblings, so it worked out.

Yes, I have been rude to you. As you have been to the imaginary “bootlickers” you have created, and defined everyone who disagrees with you as. I think you are so busy creating enemies out of everyone who is on the other side of something from you, that you fail to differentiate between the problem and the symptoms. And I don’t think I can convince you of that, so this is honestly a waste of time.

Grimy, (edited )

If you are arguing with someone, and then stop doing so to respond to others that are arguing with him instead, so you can pat each other on the back, it’s a circle jerk.

If you don’t want to be called a bootlicker, stop defending billionaires.

null,

There is nothing rhat differentiates Steam from Microsoft or Nintendo.

How much do Xbox and Nintendo contribute to open-source projects?

How do I use open-source software OOTB on an Xbox or Switch?

Grimy,

They leveraged open source to compete on the console front without actually investing dev time. If he could have created a closed system for the same cost, he wouldn’t have hesitated. It was nothing more than a smart business decision, not a nice favor because he likes you.

Most of the Gaben simps just throw back the same thing, “well, they aren’t as bad as microsoft”.

Mussolini wasn’t as bad as Hitler, can you image defending him though? Stop bootlicking billionaires.

I’m also not saying Microsoft is better, I’m saying they are all in the same club and they all suck.

null,

They leveraged open source to compete on the console front without actually investing dev time. If he could have created a closed system for the same cost, he wouldn’t of hesitated. It was nothing more than a smart business decision, not a nice favor because he likes you.

I asked you a question. Show me contributions to open-source on the same scale by Xbox and Nintendo. If it’s so much cheaper, why aren’t they doing it too?

Most of the Gaben simps just throw back the same thing, “well, they aren’t as bad as microsoft”.

Mussolini wasn’t as bad as Hitler, can you image defending him though? Stop bootlicking billionaires.

I’m also not saying Microsoft is better, I’m saying they are all in the same club and they all suck.

No, you said they were exactly the same and that Gabe was colluding with them. Now you’re backpedalling because you realized how stupid of a take that was.

Grimy,

Microsoft contributes a lot of stuff to open source but that’s really far away from my point. I’m not back peddling, I’m explaining myself because you are being a child and taking my words way to literally. Microsoft being slightly worse does not make steam “good”.

Valve can run and offer the same services it does now on a fraction of what they charge.

They could easily properly compete, every store could drastically lower their pricing, but they don’t, because they like having a soft monopoly.

“Explain it to me or you lose” is insanely childish behavior, specially when I just explained that’s not what I meant and you are being too literal but I mean, here:

Explain to me why you think Gaben deserves a net worth of 4 000 000 000 $.

That is who you are being a mouthpiece for, stop defending billionaires.

null,

Microsoft contributes a lot of stuff to open source but that’s really far away from my point.

Microsoft is not a fair comparison to Steam, hence why I refocused to Xbox.

I’m explaining myself because you are being a child and taking my words way to literally. Microsoft being slightly worse does not make steam “good”.

“Obviously I didn’t mean what I said, don’t be a child!” 🙄

Valve can run and offer the same services it does now on a fraction of what they charge.

They could even do it for free, out of the goodness of their hearts!

“Explain it to me or you lose” is insanely childish behavior, specially when I just explained that’s not what I meant and you are being too literal but I mean, here

“I was told there would be no fact-checking”

Explain to me why you think Gaben deserves a net worth of 4 000 000 000 $.

Wow, those goalposts are really movin’ now!

That is who you are being a mouthpiece for, stop defending billionaires.

See my previous comment about how boring and smug your take is.

Grimy,

I’m not moving the goalposts, I’m making fun of your attitude.

My point is that steam is a piece of shit company like the rest, not that they are exactly the same. Two PoS will still stink even if they aren’t exactly a like.

That’s what I mean man, sorry if it wasn’t clear before and then the next two times I explained it again.

They could even do it for free, out of the goodness of their hearts!

Are you being sarcastic about being robbed? The money’s coming out of your pocket, either directly or in terms of the quality and quantity of games. Is their cut justified in your eyes, even after I outlined his networth and how much money he’s racking in?

null,

Obviously I didn’t mean what I said, or understand any of the details about my claims. I’m just saying capitalism bad!

😪

Yes, yes, we get it.

Grimy,

That kind of behavior really cements the image that I have of you, lol

null,

Cute.

NaibofTabr,

They leveraged open source to compete on the console front without actually investing dev time.

This is just false.

Valve has funded a lot of extra work though to get things like DXVK and VKD3D-Proton for the translation from Direct3D to Vulkan into a state where performance can be really great! Valve also funds work on Linux graphics drivers, Linux kernel work and the list goes on.

reference

The included improvements to Wine have been designed and funded by Valve, in a joint development effort with CodeWeavers. Here are some examples of what we’ve been working on together since 2016:

  • vkd3d, the Direct3D 12 implementation based on Vulkan
  • The OpenVR and Steamworks native API bridges
  • Many wined3d performance and functionality fixes for Direct3D 9 and Direct3D 11
  • Overhauled fullscreen and gamepad support
  • The “esync” patchset, for multi-threaded performance improvements

Modifications to Wine are submitted upstream if they’re compatible with the goals and requirements of the larger Wine project; as a result, Wine users have been benefiting from parts of this work for over a year now. The rest is available as part of our source code repository for Proton and its modules.

In addition to that, we’ve been supporting the development of DXVK, the Direct3D 11 implementation based on Vulkan; the nature of this support includes:

  • Employing the DXVK developer in our open-source graphics group since February 2018
  • Providing direct support from our open-source graphics group to fix Mesa driver issues affecting DXVK, and provide prototype implementations of brand new Vulkan features to improve DXVK functionality
  • Working with our partners over at Khronos, NVIDIA, Intel and AMD to coordinate Vulkan feature and driver support

from Valve’s original Proton announcement

You should try doing some research before making such claims. Valve has been directly cooperating with, contributing to, and financially supporting several open source projects related to gaming since at least 2016.

Grimy, (edited )

Valve had 71 peoples working in their steam division in 2021. 31 where admin so that leaves 40 people for all their hardware. I’m going to take a wild guess and say maybe 3 to 5 were working on things linux related.

Edit: They had 79 in 2021 for Steam, and 41 for hardware

I’d call that leveraging at that amount of people, for a company that brings in an estimated 6.5 billion a year, and the fact that most of the code was already there.

Edit: They brought in 10 billion in 2021 (covid helped)

Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad linux got a boost out of it but there’s no doubt in my mind he would have built a private OS if it could be done with 5 people. It was a bargain for him, it wasn’t a favor.

null,

Completely ignores financial contributions.

Disingenuous? Dumb? Who knows!?

most of the code was already there

AHAHAHAHAHA every developer in the thread is absolutely cackling at you right now.

Grimy,

I’ve never actually blocked someone on lemmy before, but you’re just following me in the thread and answering every one of my comments with mindless dribble lol. Grow up bro, learn to actually form an argument.

null,

You are more than welcome to:

  • Educate yourself even a little bit
  • Leave your asinine takes in your brain

If you want to keep spouting them off, go right ahead. But I’m going to mock you for it.

Plug your ears if you’re incapable of upping your game.

Blisterexe,

This is hard because you’re (imo) very wrong and not being super nice about it, but null is being so rude i almost want to agree with you

NaibofTabr,

[citations needed]

Get some sources, and stop drawing conclusions from no evidence.

Grimy, (edited )

letmegooglethat.com/?q=valve+number+of+employees+…

This isn’t hard to find. I don’t give sources when it’s literally in the first few links on Google.

Edit: The actual quotes are below. I missed the mark on total number of steam employees by 9. They have 79 employees total for Steam. 71 or 79, it is still an insanely low number of employees when you take into account that:

it is estimated that Steam generated more than 10 billion U.S. dollars in revenues in 2021

This is from the statistica article that is the first link on Google. I moved my other links to the other comment so it would reply to the guy that couldn’t be bothered to even open them apparently.

null, (edited )

Not a single one of those links says Valve had 71 people in their Steam division in 2021.

Can’t even back your own claims. What a joke.

Edit: HAHAHA you even provided a quote that contradicts the numbers you made up. This has to be a farce.

Edit 2: BAHAHAHAHA NOW YOU REMOVED YOUR VERGE QUOTE BECAUSE YOU REALIZED IT PROVED YOU WERE MAKING UP NUMBERS.

Grimy,

One data point I found interesting: Valve peaked with its “Games” payroll spending in 2017 at $221 million (the company didn’t release any new games that year, but that spending could have gone toward supporting games like Dota 2 and developing new games like Artifact); by 2021, that was down to $192 million. Another: as of 2021, Valve employed just 79 people for Steam, which is one of the most influential gaming storefronts on the planet.

“Hardware,” to my surprise, has been a relatively small part of the company, with just 41 employees paid a gross of more than $17 million in 2021.

From the verge article

Here’s the topline from 2021: Of those 336 employees, 79 directly worked on Steam, while a whopping 181 remained in the “Games” department⁠—pretty much the reverse of what I expected, given Steam’s importance to company profits and how rarely Valve releases new games. There were just 41 employees working on hardware development at that time

From the PC gamer article right under.

Literally the first two links after the statistica link (which also has it but you have to make an account), at least for me. Are you done being an idiot?

null,

You:

Valve had 71 peoples working in their steam division in 2021.

Verge:

as of 2021, Valve employed just 79 people for Steam

Are you done being an idiot?

null,

I missed the mark on total number of steam employees by 9. They have 79 employees total for Steam. 71 or 79, it is still an insanely low number

LOL 79 - 71 = 8, not 9. Can’t even do basic math on your made up numbers.

null,

Just so we’re clear here – you pulled your original numbers out of nowhere, but made them oddly specific (71) to give the impression that you were citing an actual source.

That is hilariously pathetic.

And barely even matters since you’re ignoring 90% of the comment you replied to (financing and partnerships).

Just really paints a picture of how boring, basic, and uninformed your opinion is, for all the cockiness you came in here with.

Blisterexe,

Note that most people that valve pays to work on open source were preixisting maintainers and not actual employees, or employees of companies like Blue Systems

NaibofTabr, (edited )

I’m guessing you don’t remember what the market was like for indie games before Steam. Valve’s platform has done a lot of work to expose small game developers, and made it economically viable to work on and publish games independently. Before this it was very difficult for small titles without the advertising budget of a AAA publisher to get any attention at all, let alone actual sales. There’s nothing else like Steam for small studios trying to find buyers for their games, and Valve does deserve credit for that because it’s improved the video game market overall to have more people making more games and able to earn a living doing it.

The other major effort that Valve has made is Linux compatibility. Even before their work on Proton, Valve released native Linux versions of their games (they were one of very few publishers to do so at the time). I’ve been gaming on Linux since 2006, and Wine was great but rarely easy or complete. Proton has made things so straightforward that people have forgotten just how difficult it was before.

Credit where it’s due. No other major publisher has contributed to the gaming community the way Valve has, except maybe id Software when they just handed the entire Quake 3 Arena source code to the open source community in 2005 which spawned countless new open source game projects.

Downvote me you bootlickers.

No, you’ll enjoy the attention too much.

Grimy, (edited )

Indie games came about because of multiple factors, steam only being one of them but they did help a lot. That being said, they are currently having a detrimental effect and I think Gaben has been more than properly rewarded.

It’s not the early 2000s, steam is bringing in massive amounts of cash and I’m tired of seeing an other indie company go under because Gaben wants another boat in the 9 figure range.

The government will never do anything if we aren’t vocal about it and the community is doing the opposite.

scutiger,

Who’s the indie company going under here?

Grimy,

This is an article that was floating on lemmy a few months ago.

wired.com/…/death-occurs-in-the-dark-indie-video-…

25% more of the profit can go a long way, if Steam were to only take 5% for example. And it’s not only about bankruptcy, it’s budget for more features, dealing with bugs and potential sequels. The quality is affected as well and Steam, Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony don’t deserve all that money instead of the devs, just for being the middle men.

oxideseven,

I’ll bite. I hate billionaires. Let’s check this out.

Things that hurt indie devs in this article:

  • Lack of available talent
  • Burnout
  • Lack of upfront funding (before a game is ever released)
  • Generally bad economy post COVID
  • Actual predatory exclusive tactics from epic or gamepad
  • The nebulous idea that the entire industry and fans need a culture change

Things not cited in this article as a problem:

  • Steam in any capacity. Directly or implied
Grimy,

Lack of funding is mentioned every paragraph?

belt-tightening can often mean simply shutting down.

Sheffield says it’s hard not to feel guilty when other studios go under, even as his own struggles. “We’re all kind of fighting for a tiny slice of the same pie,”

“When an indie doesn’t get funding for its game, you just quietly never see their work again,”

The industry is struggling because steam and the other stores keep them on the brink, they have no leeway. I don’t know how steams greed could be seen as unrelated.

AlexanderTheDead,

Pick a better battle because you’re making all of us anti-capitalists look like fucking idiots.

Grimy,

Do you know of any other company that racks in as much cash and gets defended this hard? All I’m seeing is people defending an other billionaire cunt just because they use his product.

Would you tell me to shut up if I was denouncing Elon Musk or Bezos? You can’t be anti-capitalism and pro-Steam. The moment you defend a billionaire, you are part of the problem.

AlexanderTheDead,

I’m not saying I’m pro-steam. I’m saying you’re doing a dogshit job of providing compelling arguments and are making us look stupid.

Grimy,

Making 10 billion in a year while having 70 employees isn’t a compelling argument to you?

Are you sure you know what anti-capitalism is?

AlexanderTheDead,

Sure man, keep condescending me, that’s really helping you and isn’t indicative of anything about you in any way. You’re really doing a good job of representing us out here in the internet trenches.

Grimy,

Reread our conversation. You are the one being agressive.

I shouldn’t have to be silent in what I believe in because you think it makes you look bad by association. It’s a silly reason to begin with and mostly imaginary.

You have basically called me an idiot multiple times and threw colorful language like dogshit at me. I dont mind but it does make your perceived slight seem hypocritical. Stop playing the victim, no one is asking you to respond.

I’m also not here to represent you. Im not part of your club. For one, I can’t be because I hate all billionaires, not just the ones that aren’t popular.

AlexanderTheDead,

I’m not playing the victim, I’m pointing out why your rhetoric is counterproductive and bad optics. If you want actual change to occur, you’re going to have to fix that. Or you can just keep making things worse, if you really want to. Go for it. It’s really worked out for you well so far, hasn’t it?

Grimy,

Lol

AlexanderTheDead,

And… again… I didn’t say I support steam or Gaben. See how you’re using strawman tactics on people that agree with you? That’s what makes us look like idiots. You’re doing a great job, bud.

Grimy,

I have to be harsh because Steam has so many fan boys.

No matter what you tell yourself, if you come here explicitly to tell me to shut up, you are defending him.

If you think there’s a better way to do it, do so in the next one but I doubt you have ever said anything critical about Gaben or steam, or plan to.

I’m not here to make you look good, I’m not a part of your crew. Idgaf about your opinion, I’m here to say Gaben and Steam sucks.

Stop defending billionaires.

You are in a thread about how Steam does shitty practices and you are telling one of the few agreeing and being critical of Steam to shut up.

Stop defending billonaires.

AlexanderTheDead,

lol

Grimy,

What’s funny is you simping for Game Master Gaben and thinking you can call yourself an anti capitalist at the same time.

Lol

AlexanderTheDead,

lol

AlexanderTheDead,

I don’t care about this argument anymore, keep doing what you want, I hope you’ll realize that engaging in public humilitation on the behalf of anticapitalist ideals is counterproductive to normalizing them.

Grimy,

Lol

AlexanderTheDead,

You are genuinely in the midst of a mental health issue at this point. Please just take a step back from this specific argument thread, just the one between us, and take a deep breath. I’m sorry I riled you up so bad.

Grimy, (edited )

I’m highlighting when you responded to the same comment three times in quick succession.

Your one word lol replies imply I’ve lost my cool but the above behavior kind of points to the opposite and that it is in fact projection.

You came into this conversation angry, seeing as how I insulted your hero. You came in barging saying I was embarrassing you and called my opinion “dogshit”.

Remember that you sought me out and responded to my comment, and have continued for quite a bit of time.

I suggest you revise the conversation and review your behavior in a more critical way, so you can learn from it. I’m not judging you but this isn’t very productive so have a nice day.

Kecessa,

Preach brother!

NormalPerson,

Gaben has the only good monopoly, he’s pretty much Jesus.

YeetPics,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

What a weird hill to die on.

Anyway, enjoy being wrong.

Grimy,

You know what’s funny, I used to get this same kind of attitude when I’d bash Elon Musk when he was popular a few years ago.

It’s even worst when the billionaire is being defended by his own con victims.

GeneralEmergency,

valve being THE company holding the bar up in the gaming space.

I think you mean holding a monopoly in the gaming space.

TJDetweiler,

They aren’t really a monopoly. You can purchase games elsewhere. They are simply the gold standard of gaming platforms.

JohnEdwa,

I think you don’t know what that word means.

Heck, even if you want to blatantly ignore every other platform and site you can buy games from, which there are plenty, Valve gives devs a supply of Steam keys they can sell anywhere they want, they don’t even get a cut from those despite providing the bandwidth to distribute the files.

turtletracks, (edited )

A monopoly on what? PC game storefeonts? Itch.io, gog, epic, gamepass, some are better than others, but steam isn’t anti-competition

cybermass,

The reason they hold most of the market share is not because of bad business practices it’s because the opposite. People use their service cause it’s the best.

The gov only considers a large business a monopoly if it’s doing anti competitive practices to maintain or grow it’s market share. That description in no way fits steam or valve.

GeneralEmergency,

The reason they hold most of the market share is not because of bad business practices it’s because the opposite. People use their service cause it’s the best.

I have physical copies of PC games that require a Steam Account.

JohnEdwa,

Which is why you don’t have physical copies of those games - you bought a steam key, exactly like you could have done digitally from humblebundle of greenmangaming or myriad of other stores, this one just had it printed on a piece of paper instead of sending you an email.

A Steam key Valve didn’t get a cut from, btw.

GeneralEmergency,

So all those files on the disc I had to install were for something else then?

JohnEdwa,

Helped you (and Valve) to save some bandwidth. But yes. If it requires a Steam account to play, you bought a license allowing you to access a game and not an actual game you own.

GeneralEmergency,

So it’s anti consumer bullshit.

cybermass,

That is done because of a game publisher, not steam.

RisingSwell,

Valve is holding up the bar not because valve is great but because everyone else is so shit. I’ve had a ton of issues with steam throughout the years and it’s just… nothing else is better. I was actually excited for the epic store launch and it’s… Well, not the worst, because being the worst is a challenge some places take seriously, but certainly not a good steam replacement especially for low data people.

Steam may not let me control the updates to steam, but it won’t force refresh my library causing ping spikes all the time as an intended feature.

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

This isn’t about what steam currently is. It’s about what it will inevitably become.

I fucked up going with Steam. Should have just pirated everything Single player.

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

You didn’t fuck up. You can always still pirate. Wait it out and see what happens, the moment it goes to shit put on your pirate hat and don’t give a fuck.

DScratch, do pcgaming w Windows 10 only has a year of support: 12 months left to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux

Made the jump to Bazzite.

Working out pretty well so far!

Only complaint at this point is the desktop system blocks unfocused windows from capturing keypresses. (A sensible security measure).
But it prevents Discord from picking up my PTT keybind when not in a full screen game.

Fontasia, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

The emulator they use for N64 on the Switch is also just one of the many options that com up when you Google “We can’t be arsed reviewing our own assembler”

DmMacniel, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

I mean…

All of those mini consoles (NES mini, SNES mini) are already SOCs with an emulator.

RangerJosie,
@RangerJosie@lemmy.world avatar

Corps are shameless. No amount of hypocrisy is enough to make them reconsider their evil.

InverseParallax,

Yeah, that shallow appreciation is why you can’t truly understand them, it’s like calling a shark evil when it eats a baby seal.

They are, but you need to understand the system so you can know how they get where they get, and how to counter them.

Don’t just be an angry mother seal.

Mango,

Why are you here? You’re more cringe than Nintendo right now. There’s absolutely no reason to insult that guy.

InverseParallax,

Because I’ve worked with the marketing assholes who lead to these decisions, and if you don’t get why they make them and how to get them fired for those decisions, you’ll never change anything.

That’s the difference between being a child, and being effective.

Mango,

Ooohhh, you’re trauma dumping. Well carry on then. Tell us about the good corps who are just getting ruined by evil marketing assholes.

InverseParallax,

They’re not, Jesus, what is wrong with you?

They’re greedy and ambitious, but also cowardly.

Saying ‘Nintendo’ doesn’t hurt much, the corporation is almost numb to criticism, it knows it will sell games.

Find the marketing moron responsible and destroy his career, that’s the only way you make a difference.

Do this enough times, and eventually they become more afraid of the community’s wrath than their ambition to get a promotion by kissing ass.

Take down a few VPS of marketing, you’re can start influencing them, because they’ll start community outreach before doing shit.

Corporations are a hard outer shell to protect the sensitive inner meat, don’t attack the shell, take down the inner bits.

Mango,

The people change, but the streets are always the same.

InverseParallax,

The fear is what matters.

These careers are everything to them, they will gladly fuck whoever they need to to survive, but if you make them more afraid of the community then they’ll actually try to listen.

There was a brief period back in the late 2000s/early 2010s when Google listened to people.

That died by the time I joined, but I worked with people from before and they clearly didn’t give a shit about the customers anymore, it was all internal politics for promotions, you’d never get in trouble for pissing off customers.

Make them afraid of you, make them fear doing anything to piss you off, otherwise they’ll sell you out for their bosses and shareholders every time.

Mango,

Remind them how expensive windows are.

Flax_vert,

The Switch has a SNES emulator as well

DmMacniel,
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

The 3ds was a full on emulation machine. Heck it started with the Wii!

vaguerant,
@vaguerant@fedia.io avatar

I'd say it started on at least Nintendo 64. The original Japan-only Animal Crossing game for N64 had playable, emulated Famicom (NES) games. Nintendo even ran a special offer to get an N64 Controller Pak with Ice Climber pre-loaded which you could plug into your controller like a game cartridge and play inside Animal Crossing.

DarkThoughts,

Nintendo had uses emulators for a long time. This really isn't anything news worthy.

DudeImMacGyver, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Maybe the emulator maker should sue

DacoTaco,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe they wrote their own emulator

hal_5700X, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing
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