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aesthelete, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down

Look, the CEOs already have the fifth cheapest yacht chef available on their payroll, what are they supposed to do? Source the caviar themselves?

flicker, do games w After getting Stardew Valley to 'a good place' with update 1.6, Eric Barone is now fully focused on his next game

I screamed!

What great news!

toy_boat_toy_boat,

i picked your comment specifically for this reply.

i am so happy that you found a game that you love withe a great dev and a supportive community.

but i still can’t figure out why this game is so big.

i know, i know. and i feel like a dad trying to figure out why all these kids love the minecraft on their nintendos these days.

you might think i want you to explain or convince me. but i’m just happy knowing you love a game i’ll never understand the way you do. that’s actually really fucking cool.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Do you mean Stardew Valley or Haunted Chocolatier?

Stardew Valley is a combination of a creativity toy, a dating simulator, a soap opera and a security blanket. You’re actually able to return to a humble artisanal life, make absolute bank doing it, and beat the giant megacorp should you choose do to so. A decreasing number of places offer that kind of hopeful feeling in reality.

Haunted Chocolatier? I don’t know, didn’t really see the appeal when it was explained to me.

flicker,

Love that energy! That’s kind of how I feel about the Elder Scrolls. I can’t get into it but I’m so glad there are people who do.

toy_boat_toy_boat,

people are gonna hate me, but i never got into Star Wars. however - and i can’t explain why - Spaceballs was my favourite movie as a kid. i recoded it off CityTV on Beta.

nomy,

Mel Brooks (writer/director/producer/star of Spaceballs) is infinitely more talented than George Lucas so it kinda makes sense.

toy_boat_toy_boat,

i can only agree.

“fuck! even in the future nothing works!”

celeste,
@celeste@kbin.earth avatar

The initial appeal for me was that I enjoyed harvest moon, except for how the old tech made the experience of playing it suck so bad, I couldn't replay it. It was annoying doing any of the basic tasks like switching tools iirc. so there was a huge opening in the market for a new harvest moon that wasn't annoying to play. And where you were allowed to be gay.

So the initial buzz came from that, imo. the people who wanted a new harvest moon game were like 'wow, finally!' and then word of mouth did its thing. these days, nostalgia for it specifically drives people back to play, along with extensive modding and occasional free updates keeping things fresh.

i think other people can explain better why the harvest moon formula itself is so appealing, but i just think it's interesting how an indie game can get so popular by just being like "what if i made this big corporation game people want a new entry from, but fixed the stuff in it that sucks?'

toy_boat_toy_boat,

i don’t know anything about harvest moon, but you said something that stood out for me.

i thought it was neat that you could flirt with anyone in that game, but that’s as far as i got with that. i assume, though, that you can pursue relationships with anyone and that it’s totally not an issue at all. that’s the impression i got, and i thought that was pretty cool. didn’t come off as anything political when i saw it at the time, though, i just figured it was the inevitable evolution of characters in fiction. i miss my old naivity.

celeste,
@celeste@kbin.earth avatar

iirc, there was one old harvest moon game where you played as a woman and you could marry a guy OR live forever with your female bestie. i don't remember if that one made it to the english speaking world.

stardew valley really upped the game when the guy who made it decided it'd be no big deal if you wanted to pursue a same sex relationship in it. now it feels like a standard of the genre to let you do that, and it really wasn't always like that. other games did it, too, but it still felt exceptional back then.

(but, yeah, the gay thing was a big deal for me personally, especially at the time sdv came out. i don't know if it was generally a big deal for most players, but that's definitely a reason for it to catch a certain sort of player's eye back when it was first becoming popular.)

toy_boat_toy_boat,

i thought there was something special about just making it that way and not making a point of it. it’s just the way it is. that’s just really cool to me.

celeste,
@celeste@kbin.earth avatar

The ideal is that it's just in there and no big deal. I know that's all I wanted when I was young.

Shiggles,

Stardew allows people to achieve their dreams that are unrealistic in the real world, like -

Home ownership

Finding friends and community in a new place

Finding love

Evicting their local walmart and replacing it with a cinema

Escaping the fresh hell of late stage capitalism (or becoming the very worst proponent of it, sometimes somehow both)

Zoomboingding,
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

Chiming in with why I love SV: While the game itself is a new thing (well 9 years old at this point), it really feels like a product of an earlier time. And not just the graphics, music, gameplay, and plot. It lacks all the dark pattern mechanics and monetization that’s nearly inescapable in modern games. It just feels good to play, but always feels good to put down.

I just find the game endlessly charming. Every time I pick it up it reminds me of my childhood playing SNES.

drmoose, (edited ) do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down

Lmao who would believe that gta 6 is not going to make an absolute bank? They could give it away for free and still make more money that they could spend.

nucleative, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down

GTA 6 is just going to be client app to a universe of micro transactions. They should probably just give it away free.

slaneesh_is_right,

I don’t even wanna know how much money they made or make with shark cards. Because of the dumbasses who buy that, they know exactly what people are willing to spend.

ms_lane, do games w Just months after reportedly cancelling two live service games in development, Sony announces a new PlayStation studio with a live service game in development

It’s even funnier the n^th^ time!

LorIps, do games w Just months after reportedly cancelling two live service games in development, Sony announces a new PlayStation studio with a live service game in development
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ColdWater, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

Every games is free if you know where to look

BmeBenji, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down

What a bold-faced clearly obvious motherfucking lie.

Rockstar has released only 2 full games in the past 13 years because everything they’ve done since then has been funded by microtransactions. The price of entry is negligible to them when whales pay for multiple copies of the game every fuckin month.

Slab_Bulkhead, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down
@Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world avatar

if rockstar really wanted to win over all gamers, even the ones not planning to play gta, they announce base gta 6 at 50. and then have the 'early/access-10 min early-uber shark complete edition with a unique purple skin at 100 or whatever the fuck they think the whole things worth.

BromSwolligans, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down

I mean. Yeah. When Goldeneye came out for the N64 it was like $90 and that was in nintiesbux. We got real used to standardized pricing when discs came around but it’s true that you can’t have it both ways. Now, there’s a reasonable argument to be had over whether Mario Kart World and GTA6 are both gonna be worth >$80. I bought Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey for whatever they retailed for. Was that $70? I can’t remember. But I had more fun and put more hours that year into Hollow Knight, which cost me $15 and kept dumping free DLC for like a year or so afterward. The price was great. The DLC was free. But it also didn’t cost like $2bln or whatever dumbass cost they’re saying GTA6 cost to make.

I didn’t ask them to make it that stupid big and expensive. But some fans did. They’re in that Smash Bros situation where they aren’t allowed not to top the previous entry in terms of scope. So it is what it is.

Should all games be $80-90? Of course not. Should games that cost a billion or more to develop and promise hundreds or thousands of hours of gameplay cost $80-90? I think it’s embarrassing and immature to suggest otherwise. Even if you just go back to 2006 and the $60 standard, and adjust that for inflation, you end up at $95. So this isn’t really an argument any serious person should be having when we talk about whether the most expensive game ever made should cost functionally less than its Xbox 360 forerunner.

molten, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down

Look. I think all AAA companies should do $120 base price for all games. Piracy would have such a boom. Better platforms. many more seeders and good reviews and more freaks hell bent on cracking DRM.

tacosanonymous,
@tacosanonymous@lemm.ee avatar

That’s hilarious. To your point, I wasn’t going to pay $50 for this, I sure as hell won’t pay $80.

SaltySalamander, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down

Eh, this game was never in the cards for me anyway. I decided years ago to never give Rockstar another dime when they didn't release any single player DLC for GTA5. Fuck that noise.

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Wut? We’re mad now about not getting DLC? GTA V was a great game that’s still a blast today. I spent many evenings in front of my PS3 playing the single player for years, never touched GTA: O once and never felt the need to and still believe I got my $60 back in 2013 out of it.

Similar story with RDR 2. Unless GTA 6 is a huge step down from both those games in single-player playability (I’ll wait for reviews obv), I’m not going to lose much sleep over spending $20 more than I spent 13 years ago for the previous game.

caseofthematts,

If I’m remembering correctly, they had announced single player DLC bit instead just chose to develop more multiplayer stuff since that’s where the big bucks are. I’m busy and don’t have a source right now, but can attempt to find this later and edit as necessary.

thatKamGuy,

GTA V was originally planned to have a number of single-player DLC campaigns akin to the ‘Lost and the Damned’ and ‘Ballad of Gay Tony’ for GTA IV.

This is what people - including me - are bitter about; the immense financial success of GTA:O (namely Shark cards) diverted all resources away from additional single-player content.

I wouldn’t have minded paying for an additional perspective campaign (like GTA IV) or an additional post-campaign chapter heist. GTA V was a complete experience at launch, so additional DLC content would have been welcomed by the community - DLC only becomes problematic when it is clearly part of the core experience, but arbitrarily removed in order to charge more.

Unfortunately, due to having to prioritise shareholder returns - investing resources into anything beyond the most immediately profitable route (ie. online) leaves the board and C-suite open to litigation, because as we should have all learned by now from this series, Capitalism will ultimately ruin everything in search for more and more profits.

Drbreen,

Lol never seen anyone upset that a publisher put all the games content into the base game.

Skyline969, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down
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Go ahead. I’m back to piracy where needed and patient gaming where possible. These clowns played themselves. AAA games are unreasonable nowadays.

inclementimmigrant, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down

Heard the same crap when they moved from 60 to 70 just a few years back.

Heard how video game development is too expensive while publishers posted record profits.

Heard all about how the same 50 dollar game "back in the day"would cost hundreds now, disregarding how gaming was so much more niche back then too.

Heard the same crap about how these “full price games” would lessen the need for egregious microtransaction

This will again, do nothing to lessen any of that, just push more record profits as gamers won’t be able to resist rewarding the gaming industry for their bad behavior.

dinckelman, do games w On the prospect of an $80-$90 GTA 6, former PlayStation boss says 'it's an impossible equation' for big-budget studios to keep their prices down

Yet again proves that capitalism is a cancer, and they’ll never be happy with anything, except for endless exponential growth

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