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Kolanaki, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor
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They’ll never be able to make Wirral Untethered.

FloatingAlong, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor

It’s The Death of Superman all over again.

zaphodb2002,

And similarly, all 4 of these are not the real deal. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for more games like this and I hope they’re good, but I will wait until Kurvitz and Rostov to be at the helm again before getting too excited.

ascense, (edited )

If nothing else though, Argo Tuulik’s blog post for Summer Eternal is worth a read. I love his writing style, and that post is unreasonably funny to me, but you can still tell there is a lot of meaning behind what he says. I suppose things hit hardest when presented in ridiculous over the top metaphor.

zaphodb2002,

Oh yeah, for sure. Don’t get me wrong, I hope these are good. I liked John Henry Irons, Superboy, and Eradicator as well, lol. Just not the original, and need to be able to stand on their own. I desperately want more games like DE but what I don’t want is a bunch of bad actors churning out bad clones sold on someone else’s good reputation. Not that I’m accusing any of these games of that, just that given ZA/UM’s current situation, it’s hard not to worry.

Subtracty, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor

I’m excited for the inevitable 2 hour long youtube retrospective breaking these factions down in a few years.

ms_lane, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor

Splitters

Denjin,

Where is the Popular ZA/UM these days Reg?

He’s over there

Mr_Dr_Oink,

Spitter!

AlexisFR, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor
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Ah, good old left wing groups self destroying and splitting up to irrelevance…

simple,

Life imitates art or somesuch.

Khrux,

Long before ZA/UM closed, I was certain that we’d never see a new game of that quality again from the same studio.

I’m not confident any of these new teams will pull it off, but I’d rather have four attempts than one.

FooBarrington,

Well, more like “left wing groups being destroyed by greedy capitalists”

Schmoo, do games w A Disco Elysium successor studio has been announced for the second time today, meaning there are now 4 companies battling for the title of ZA/UM's true inheritor

It’s like ZA/UM exploded and left behind little fragments that are still alive somehow.

muhyb, do gaming w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

I just wish GOG had regional prices like Steam does.

Annoyed_Crabby,

Yeah. And also choice not as wide as Steam exactly because of DRM free. Can’t buy monhunt or any of Capcom’s game on GOG. But if you want to play old game then GOG is the place to go, they make sure everything run.

asexualchangeling, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

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  • Anticorp,

    Plus, unless the installers have the full package, it’ll still require an internet connection. Usually installers download the files and then install them.

    Whitebrow,

    They’re called offline installers for a reason.

    HKayn,
    @HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

    When have they not had the full package on GOG?

    Ookami38,

    Seriously not trying to just be contradictory:

    What’s the difference? In practical terms, what does this mean for me as the consumer? We don’t own the intellectual property, but may use the software as-is? From a practical, consumer standpoint that feels the same as the days of owning your software on a disc, unable to be taken as long as you have physical control over the device. I’m fine with calling this “owning” personally.

    I’m absolutely willing to be wrong on this. I’m by no means an expert. Please, if I have missed something, let me know.

    HKayn,
    @HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

    There really is no difference. For almost all intents and purposes, GOG’s offline installers can be treated the same way as physical CDs of way back then, with one of the only exceptions being that you cannot resell them.

    Ookami38,

    Depending on your perspective, the sell/trade/loan aspect of physical can be a huge deal. I outlined in another comment, selling/trading games was never my thing, but it was my cousins. From my perspective, there’s marginal difference, but there IS a difference.

    Imhotep,

    Can you sell them? or trade, give, even lend them? My guess is you can’t. And when I was a kid I did all those things.

    It’s not anedoctal IMO, but a change in paradigm. I’m not saying it’s all bad. I buy games on GOG. But I don’t own them really

    A 2015 study in France showed 54% where more willing to buy a game when they knew they could sell them when done

    histic,

    There is no drm so zip the installer and everything to your friend and call it a day

    Imhotep,

    We were talking about legal offers. Are you legally the owner of your game.

    Of course you can share, reproduce, pirate … but that’s not the point here.

    pancakes,
    @pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I don’t want to advocate for shoveling money into any company, but if you could sell your steam games it would screw over indie devs in a big way. Many games made by small studies or one person don’t have as much content as AAA studies and would be far more prone to a small handful of copies being distributed back and forth on the used market instead of each being a sale that goes to the developer.

    Some devs would see a drop in sales as much as 90% and I just don’t think it’s worth it to shoot the gaming industry in the foot like that.

    Imhotep,

    Just to be clear: my main point was that you don’t own any more the game bought on GOG than on Steam.

    And there are definitely upsides to this type of market.
    Although nowadays I wouldn’t buy a just released triple A 70€ game knowing I can’t sell or give it (not that I play those much anymore). The games I actually want to keep a few and far between.
    I buy second hand Switch games for my nephews. It’s cheap, I’m actually giving them something, and they can trade them with their friends or sell them to buy fortnite skins the little shits

    Again, not hating on GOG, I’ve been a customer for a long time. Mainly because I don’t want any kind of launcher. I play 99% solo games, don’t need no updates or multiple clicks to launch a game.

    Ookami38,

    I would ABSOLUTELY argue that you more own a game purchased on gog, with an offline installer, than one purchased on steam. I now see the functional difference between owning a drm-free installer vs owning a physical game, but there’s also a gulf of difference between steam and gog

    Just to be entirely fair. The rest of what you said is absolutely spot on.

    Imhotep,

    I agree, you are “more owner” with a GOG game.

    Ookami38,

    I can see the functional difference there, with regards to sell/trade/loan. You could of course emulate the functionality, or rely on the honor system for abandon ware stuff, but that’s clunky, inefficient, not worth the energy.

    I hadn’t considered the second hand aspect. Even as a kid, I was always more a “build a library” kind of person versus a “cycle my catalog” kind of person. I was considering things from an availability to play the game perspective alone. Thanks for the different perspective!

    FelixCress,

    Yeah? And whats the difference in practice?

    auzy, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

    People use steam because it’s good service, and a good product.

    In fact, they also gave Linux a boost

    They also have things like cloud saving

    Developers use them because apparently they have some awesome features too for things like multiplayer and such and a great API

    lapislazuli,

    I like steam as a user but it’s still proprietary software and I’m slightly concerned about what is going to happen when Gabe Newell steps down as president and ceo of Valve.

    kurcatovium, do gaming w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

    If GOG are such a freedom heroes why do they rely on megacorp Windows OS? That’s what I like about steam - it makes gaming on linux dumb easy. And not just on linux, their “package” is ridiculously good - mods, cummunity, reviews, friends, non stop sales, mobile app (although I hate they removed chat to standalone app), and much, much more.

    I’m not shitting on GOG. I love those guys, they brought back so much memories with reviving long forgotten games, I have hundreds of purchases there. But… it just needs a lite more polish (pun intended).

    exu,

    They really should deliver on their promise of making a Linux client.

    kurcatovium,

    Not sire how it’s now, but couple years ago that “new galaxy” thing felt like it was precisely crafted to NOT run on linux. I tried multiple ways to run it, but all of them were unstable, crashing and very laggy. The best one was through Bottles but still… Heroic came and was instantly way ahead.

    trevor,

    Yeah. I intentionally buy my games on Steam for ethical reasons because Valve contributes to a positive gaming ecosystem by making things run seamlessly on Linux.

    GOG contributes to a negative gaming ecosystem by making Windows the “easy” option and not making use of Proton (or similar tech). Hopefully they fix that one day, but they don’t seem to care.

    MangoPenguin,

    I’d take a guess that from their perspective, putting all that time + money into developing and supporting a Linux version isn’t worth it when probably ~3% of the user base is using it.

    ricecake, do gaming w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

    These articles are basically just advertising for GoG.
    They have the same issues as steam does regarding only selling licenses, or not having inheritable or transferable accounts.

    DRM free is great, but as a service they aren’t fundamentally different from steam. They just like to market themselves like they are.

    RootBeerGuy,
    @RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    This has been posted a million times already, but I am still going to repeat it. Yes you are right, in their own legal docs they also only talk about licenses.

    Difference for the consumer however is that you get the installation files which are supposed to work offline. Meaning if you take care to store that, it will not be gone ever, no matter if GOG goes down. With Steam this gets more complicated and may only work for some games.

    ricecake,

    I get that. DRM free is great and better. I just don’t like the advertisement that casts it as “you own the game”, or entire articles built around posts by their marketing department.
    It feels very ambulance-chaser-y.

    Klear, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

    Here’s another reminder to sign this initiative if you live in the EU.

    Scribble902,

    I’d totally sign…if the Russian funded tory party hadn’t decided we should leave because they were scared of the far right taking votes.

    Klear,

    Spread the word, then.

    Anticorp, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

    Does GOG work on Linux?

    Draconic_NEO,
    @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

    Many of their games do have native linux versions, and a lot do work under wine or proton, which can be used as a Non-steam game in Steam or even without Steam.

    Their launcher doesn’t yet have a native linux version but it’s completely optional, and does still run under wine if you really want it.

    Anticorp,

    If I’m not going to use their game manager, then why would I buy the game from them instead of just buying it directly from the game studio? I guess because game studios rarely distribute their own games anymore?

    Whitebrow,

    Exactly, the game publishers and distributors are often not the developers themselves. Only one to distribute direct in recent memory was World Of Goo 2, and even that was sold primarily through the Epic store.

    histic,

    Tarkov is only direct to my knowledge

    Cethin,

    If it works on Steam it works on GOG. Nothing about proton is limited to Steam.

    Anticorp,

    There’s a Linux specific Steam program though. Is there a Linux specific GOG program?

    Cethin,

    You mean a native version of GOG? I don’t think so, but you can use it through Lutris.

    HKayn,
    @HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

    Nowadays the Heroic Games Launcher is the preferred solution for downloading and running GOG games. It’s a community-run project, but officially affiliated with GOG.

    Anticorp,

    Cool, thank you.

    HKayn,
    @HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

    The Heroic Games Launcher can download and run GOG games. It’s a community-run project, but officially affiliated with GOG.

    Anticorp,

    Cool, thanks.

    ouch,

    How does GOG support Heroic?

    OhYeah,

    They set up a commission with gog if you buy games through heroic

    ouch,

    Is this an actual, specific deal with Heroic, or some general affiliate linking thing?

    OhYeah,

    No clue if it’s heroic exclusive but it’s more than just affiliate linking. Heroic embeds the actual gog store page in the launcher and gets a percentage of anything you buy per their agreement with gog

    ouch,

    Sounds technically just like affiliate linking, even if the browser is embedded.

    affiliate.gog.com

    Just curious if there is a specific deal between Heroic and GOG.

    ouch,

    For the record, the affiliate link is listed here:

    heroicgameslauncher.com/donate

    daggermoon, do games w Steam's new disclaimer reminds everyone that you don't actually own your games, GOG moves in for the killshot: Its offline installers 'cannot be taken away from you'

    Now if we could just have GOG Galaxy for Linux. It would make my life so much easier.

    Famko,

    I feel you. Installing Fallout London was such a pain in the ass for Linux.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    I wrote a guide for getting fallout london up and running if you need a hand

    lemmy.world/post/18456924

    Famko,

    I have it installed already, but thank you for the guide. I’ll refer to it in case something breaks lol.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    Lutris lets you add your GOG account and download/install games directly. its not Galaxy, but its pretty flawless.

    finestnothing,

    Lutris is awesome.
    Open source games, games with their own launcher, games on steam, gog, etc are all in it. Can pick to run things natively on Linux, use proton (pick your version or just use latest), wine, or choose from others, and it does it seamlessly. For games you already have installed on steam, you don’t need to reinstall them, it finds them and makes them runnable from within lutris once you connect your steam account, you can also install games that you own on any of your connected launchers, and browse/download your undownloaded games from them

    Examples for some of the stuff I have all in it now:
    Catacyslm: DDA catapult launcher (free and open source game - highly recommend you try it out. Takes some getting used to, but there isn’t much you can’t do. Also, make sure you get cataclysm-tiles or use a launcher. ASCII is pure, but hard to get used to. Also, DO NOT buy it on steam.)
    All of my installed steam games
    Cyberpunk 2077 and the witcher 3 via gog
    FFXIV (the official launcher, not steam)
    Vintage story (open source but not free - highly recommend if you like open world survival crafting games with a big emphasis on survival)

    davad,

    Heroic Game Launcher is pretty cool. It does game save sync with GOG games too.

    daggermoon,

    I know, I use it. I’d prefer an official Galaxy port though.

    mojofrododojo, do games w CD Projekt boss pushes back on 'conspiracy theories' against diversity in gaming: 'We live in times where anyone can record complete nonsense and make a story out of it'
    @mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

    Seems like the gamergate chuds are trying to make stories happen in a bunch of places.

    wizardbeard,

    Ugh, I hate that the actual ethical issues in games journalism got swallowed up by all the other hateful bullshit.

    Like, sponsored articles weren’t being disclosed, and some games journalists were being fired for refusing to give favorable reviews to games that were advertising on their site. There were private mailing lists where behind the scenes coordination was happening to push kinder reviews of one member of the list’s friend’s indie game. White jounalists were claiming themselves as mouthpieces for minority gamers who never asked for someone else to speak for them.

    Which gave cover for explicit mysogyny and hate… then further got twisted by far-right idealogues like Milo Yannopolous and Breitbart.

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