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cmhe, do games w I hate when a PC game is ONLY available on Epic Games store

I feel the same, when the game is not available on GOG.

frayedpickles,

This makes actual sense tho since it’s DRM free. Never understood the epic is evil but steam somehow is good. Both are DRM shills

cmhe, (edited )

Well I can only speak for myself, but I prefer games stores in that order:

  1. GOG, because DRM free and they don’t enforce game updates.
  2. Steam, because they are well integrated into the SteamDeck, they push Linux gaming, and Gabe seems to be an alright guy.
  3. Itch.io, because lots of indy games
  4. Epic Game store, good: free games, bad: Epic and Tim Sweeney.

There are business decisions with all of them that I dislike.

For the top dog PC game store, Valve could behave much much worse. Epic is still in the customer and game developer acquisition phase (and still behave like a d*ck with their exclusive deals), if the ever manage to push Valve aside, I believe they will be much worse.

kazerniel,
@kazerniel@lemmy.world avatar

For the top dog PC game store, Valve could behave much much worse.

But also much much better. They are really hands off with scummy dev practices, such as paid review farms. Sentinels of the Store covered them here. After it blew up, Steam removed some of the most obvious cases, but afaik others remain.

Steam has also been hosting numerous outright neo-Nazi groups for many years (PDF) and never really stepped up effectively against them. User reports and media attention has limited effect.

cmhe,

Sure.

Valve can do a lot more, but what is more concerning to me is if they are actively consumer unfriendly. There is a difference between passively allowing bad stuff to happen, and actively doing bad stuff.

kazerniel,
@kazerniel@lemmy.world avatar

There is a difference between passively allowing bad stuff to happen, and actively doing bad stuff.

I don’t see that much difference. They are half-arsed about store and community moderation to such a degree that it feels like deliberate neglect. They chose the responsibility of running a platform, so need to do the job properly. If they need to hire more staff to do it, perhaps they could afford it from their billions of USD revenue.

Schadrach,

Steam has also been hosting numerous outright neo-Nazi groups for many years (PDF) and never really stepped up effectively against them. User reports and media attention has limited effect.

As a general rule, steam discussion boards for a game are moderated by whoever the developer assigns that power to, and steam user groups are moderated by the group owner or whoever they delegate that power to and Steam doesn’t particularly care so long as you aren’t doxing, openly coordinating harassment, or doing something explicitly illegal in the US.

That’s also the general tilt they’ve taken with what’s allowed on the store since they opened the floodgates - if it’s not illegal and it’s not going to get them sued, it’s probably allowed if properly tagged. Which is why you can find Sex With Hitler side by side with Super Lesbian Animal RPG.

Worst they do is block it from specific regions if the local government requests it - see that game where you essentially play as Hamas fighting against the IDF that they recently blocked from the UK, the one where the largest part of the game description is arguing that the game isn’t antisemitic hate speech just because the enemy are Jewish. The call to block it came after a new patch that apparently added a scenario based on the Oct 7 attack.

Schadrach,

Epic Game store, good: free games, bad: Epic and Tim Sweeney.

Sums up how I feel about them. I have lots of games on my Epic account. I have paid for none of them, and refuse to change that. If it’s an Epic exclusive, it will eventually either release on other platforms, become an epic store free game of the week, or be an epic store freebie on amazon prime. I have enough games in my library I can wait.

GalacticHero,

I mostly take issue with the paid exclusivity deals from Epic. That kind of thing can stay on consoles. I also don’t trust Tim Sweeney or Tencent, and I feel that they’re kind of openly hostile to consumers.

I don’t care for intrusive DRM, but it’s clearly marked which games have it on Steam and which don’t. I won’t buy anything that requires a second account or has Denuvo. I don’t do online matchmaking games anymore, but if I did, I’d also avoid anything with kernel-level anti-cheat. I don’t really mind Steamworks DRM, though. It’s not intrusive and Steam is useful enough that I normally have it running in the background anyway.

I also like buying on Steam because they’re contributing so much to Linux gaming and FOSS, even if Steam itself isn’t FOSS. It’s because of them that I can have a Windows-free household without any significant compromises.

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

That kind of thing can stay on consoles.

I understand console exclusives. The hardware is different, it takes extra time and money to be compatible with multiple systems.

Epic exclusives is just “fuck you you have to buy from me because I threw some money around to say so.”

SloganLessons,

Long story short, there were two main issues that people had with Epic:

  • they made exclusivity a thing inside pc platform (this was the main issue for most people)
  • Tim Sweeney is generally disliked

The first issue speaks for itself. The second needs a bit more context.

Tim Sweeney has an history of being arbitrary. One year he says one thing, the next another. Relevant to this case, Tim was openly against PC gaming back in the day, while Valve was pushing for PC gaming. We’re talking around 2010, where console gaming was predominant, most publisher favored consoles against PC. Valve at the time was one of the few companies betting on the PC platform.

Now, he’s suddenly pro PC gaming. People see this as him doing a 180, and trying to take the spoils from Valve’s work.

Then there were also some comments that he made that aged like milk, but generally speaking this is why people take an issue with Epic but not Steam

normalexit,

I haven’t tried GOG but their business model seems awesome. Do their games work on Linux / Mac?

cmhe, (edited )

Depends on the game developers, if they offer/upload a Linux/Mac version. On Linux, you have to either install/update your games manually, or use a third-party client. Idk about Mac. Third party clients can also integrate Wine for Windows games.

_cryptagion,

You don’t need to update them manually if you installed them using Heroic. You only need to update them manually if they were manually installed using a offline installer.

cmhe,

Which is what I said: “On Linux, you have to either install/update your games manually, or use a third-party client.” With third-party client I meant a client like Heroic.

mightyfoolish,

Lutris is a game launcher for Linux that can install games from your GOG, Epic, and Steam accounts. I believe it even supports Proton which is a compatibility layer to run Windows games on Linux (which is a Valve project that is based on Wine).

normalexit,

Nice! I’ll give it a spin

_cryptagion,

If a game works on Windows, there’s a 95% chance it works as good or better on Linux. The same can be said for MacOS apps, and Android apps, as there are packages to run those on Linux as well.

bali10050, do gaming w No need to replace it just yet...
@bali10050@lemmy.world avatar

If you had a console growing up, you probably weren’t that poor.

Eyron,

It can be pretty easy to get up a second-hand console cheap, free, and/or as a gift.

Have you ever seen how much good/working stuff people throw away? If you’re a little bright, you can get people to pay you to haul their “junk” away.

somebodysomewhere,

definitely more common now at least in my area. When I was a kid goodwill and value village were charging $40 for an old beat up snes or n64 and that was the whole clothes budget for me and my three siblings.

Friend ended up giving me a gamecube in middle school and that was my first console.

sag,

This

grue, do gaming w Thank me later

If you’re going to go back in time to help Sega, you should go farther back and stop them from releasing the 32x against the Saturn.

dinckelman, do games w World of Warcraft adds $90 mount to in game store

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  • TrousersMcPants,

    That thing is still earnable every so often in game if you catch it on the black market

    Mora,

    Lol, that is not realistic for most players. The original 5 million gold was not realistic back then either.

    TrousersMcPants,

    Yeah it’s always been a status symbol. Nowadays it isn’t even that useful because they put auction houses in the expansion cities anyway, so it’s basically just a status symbol for people who spend WAY too much time on the auction house. This mount isn’t even half as P2W as people would have you believe.

    EatATaco,

    This is truly lowest of the low type of scum behavior.

    I get being upset about it. But, ffs, get some perspective.

    Rai,

    Right? Lest we forget about the rapes?

    glimse,

    It is literally earnable in game lol

    You can sell gold straight to Blizzard. Even at 360k per token, this is WAY CHEAPER than it was when it was originally introduced for 5 million gold

    TrousersMcPants, (edited )

    You can not sell gold to Blizzard

    Edit: I stand corrected, you can purchase tokens and turn them into game time, but I didn’t know they could be turned into $15 battle net balance. This mount does, indeed, cost less gold than the original Brutosaur (or did before token prices skyrocketed)

    Mandy, do gaming w Which game started this? It's everywhere.

    What I never wanna see again is a game having me hold a button instead of pressing it, for literally anything

    Topical example would be apace marine 2

    The_Picard_Maneuver,
    @The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

    God yes. It makes everything feel unresponsive and less snappy.

    CaptSatelliteJack,

    Toggle sprint, hold zoom, please and thank you

    Anticorp,

    Holding it is better than pressing it 10,000x as fast as you can. That shit is fun when you’re 12. Not so much when you’re twice that age.

    yamanii,
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    This is about normal things like picking up an item, not a QTE. It feels horrible and a pretty big time waster.

    Anticorp,

    They said “for literally anything” but yes, holding a button to pick something up gets annoying.

    cmbabul, (edited )

    I’m positive I couldnt beat Metal Gear Solid 4 again 16 years later. One of the final sequences involves what felt like a 15 minute button mashing section that took extremely in shape 20 somthing me to my limit. My fucking forearms cramped like a really bad period

    Anticorp,

    Most games these days have a setting in the accessibility settings section to change tapping to holding, and that’s always one of the first things I check.

    Harvey656,

    My god no man’s sky before they finally added the option was a nightmare.

    bitwolf,

    Omg I had no idea you could disable it thank you!

    Harvey656,

    Glad I could be of help lol.

    rustydrd, do gaming w Unrelated, but we ran out of time and the campaign is only 7hrs
    @rustydrd@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Also 90% of the development time went into making this feature, so a few cuts had to be made in less important areas like gameplay and story.

    Moah,
    @Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Sure, programmers that make systemic features like these also write the story

    warm, do games w Buy 7 Days to Die at your own risk

    My main beef is $45. Thats how much you charge for a finished game, but this is far from finished.

    Well to be fair, they charge $80 for unfinished games these days.

    But yeah the state of the game doesn't scream 11 years of development. I think this was just their final cashout to be honest.

    pennomi, do gaming w Someone needs to make this

    Well it’s not the same concept, but if nautical horror is something you like, try Return of the Obra Dinn.

    v4ld1z,

    And Dredge

    The_Picard_Maneuver,
    @The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

    if nautical horror is something you like

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d2ca11fe-e17b-4588-ac52-47204131fb27.png

    (Seriously thanks for the rec though. I’ve heard that name before but haven’t checked it out.)

    corvi,

    Obra Dinn is so good! I recommend playing with a friend so you have somebody to discuss with.

    maniel, do games w Day 10 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I’ve been playing until I forget to post Screenshots

    Yeah, the best AC, unfortunately I lost my saves because I uninstalled some stupid Ubisoft tool

    MyNameIsAtticus,
    @MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world avatar

    I made that mistake with AC Unity. Got sent from the 6th section all the way back to the 4th. Nearly a year later and I still haven’t picked it back up to finish it

    maniel,

    Unity was awesome too, my only gripe was the crowds, like streets and corridors full of people, just walking, partying maybe, this hanging my then GPU

    Blackmist,

    The best AC because it contains the least amount of AC.

    zaphod,

    The best AC is either Origins or Odyssey.

    HappycamperNZ,

    Origins was great, but I’m sorry the best was 2

    Blackmist,

    2 definitely felt like they’d finally built a game around the tech demo that was 1.

    AFallingAnvil, (edited )
    @AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca avatar

    Agreed. It might not be the best one but I have a real soft spot for revelations, old man Ezio is a very compelling character, the setting, wrapping up arc for characters. We get plenty of Egypt in games but I can recall ever getting the Ottoman Empire.

    Also Unity is underrated, if it had been polished at launch I hold it would have been the best game in the original style gameplay series by far.

    Blackmist,

    Loved the old man Altair bits as well.

    I think Unity’s main issue was they marketed the multiplayer heavily, but it was only in the game for an extremely limited number of missions.

    They managed to annoy single player gamers and multiplayer gamers in one stroke.

    They got overambitious with the crowds as well, leading to poor performance on consoles, along with a whole load of weird bugs. I played it on PC years later (maybe when the Notre Dame burned down?) and there were still parts of the game bugged, or chugged down to 20 fps for no reason.

    Blackmist,

    I don’t hate them as games, but the need for gear to be able to actually do assassinations on the bigger guys somewhat makes it not an AC game any more. Still the same slightly tired gameplay, but the one element that made it satisfying is no longer there.

    buddascrayon, do gaming w Imagine, if you can.

    IT’S THURSDAY YOU FUCK!!!

    Post this kinda shit on a Friday so I can fucking dream.

    Kolanaki,
    !deleted6508 avatar

    Do you have school tomorrow? 🤔

    Rakonat,

    Some of us made the mistake of becoming teachers

    Kolanaki,
    !deleted6508 avatar

    “Do you want kids?”

    “Yes! I want around 30. And then about another 30 two hours later.”

    ASeriesOfPoorChoices,

    “jeeze, it’s a pelvis, not a clown car.”

    buddascrayon,

    I have a job. I am currently getting ready to go to it. Then, since it is now Friday. I’m gonna order a god damned large pizza and then I’mma sit down in front of my big ass television set and play video games and eat pizza till I’m too tired to do either anymore.

    Which, because I’m fucking old now, will probably be around 10:00 p.m. 😢

    can,

    AND I’VE HAD SMB 3 FOR A LONG TIME

    bitwaba,

    It was Friday for over half the timezones on the planet when you posted that.

    Katana314, do games w Sony cancelled the PSN account linking requirement for Helldivers 2

    So, someone in my Discord channel posted a tweet that maybe alters perspective a bit;

    cdn.discordapp.com/…/not-surprised-but-damn-v0-jj…

    To summarize or if the link breaks, one of the devs “knew beforehand” they’d have to require PSN accounts post launch, but disabled them for a smooth launch. That’s interesting, but as long as Sony was acting as publisher I feel like the blame still goes on them for selling the game to non-PSN countries initially.

    drislands,

    FYI l: That’s the CEO of Arrowhead, who made the game.

    Tagger, do gaming w Well now I'm sad

    I quite like how Sniper elite handles this. As you are tagging enemies, small snippets about them pop up. So the Nazi you have in your scopes might love jazz music even though it’s illegal, or might draw caricatures of his fellow soldiers that give them some light hearted relief or might have tried out for the ss and failed the medical and takes his anger out on the locals.

    It genuinely changes how I play the game. If they seem like they are just someone caught in the Nazi machine I tend to spare them if I can but I make pretty sure to end the true believers.

    bitfucker,

    Which installment?

    Tagger,

    certainly 5, I think in 4 and maybe before

    bitfucker,

    Oh, that explains why I never see it lol. I only have up until 3.

    Tagger,

    If you have game pass 5 is on there at the minute

    tetris11,
    @tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

    Judgement is a spectrum:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-ENUWAxzc0

    bionicjoey, do games w The sequel to Kingdom Come Deliverance will be revealed April 18th!

    Kingdom Come 2: Returnerance

    GlitterInfection,

    Kingdom Came: Deliveranced

    M4thG33k, do gaming w I think it must be an urban legend

    Never thought I’d see a Quest 64 reference in the wild. Great game.

    A_Union_of_Kobolds,

    Omg I was trying to think of the name of this game last week! I loved Quest64. I need to find an emulator…

    CptEnder, (edited ) do gaming w The people who made these back in the day are heroes

    Back in 97 my older sister got a both babe job at E3 and got extra tickets for me and my mom to take me. This is back when it was strictly a trade conference and not really open to the public. I was waiting in line for a new Gameboy game when a dude overhead me rambling to my mom about the Brady guides I loved to read so much back then (my mom is a patient saint haha) when a dude in line interrupted me and told my mom about his website that had free guides for all the new games online. My mom was pretty excited about free guides and he handed her his card which I looked at eagerly, it was Jeff Veasey, the creator of gamefaqs.com.

    I can’t tell you how much of my parents toner i burnt through over the years printing from that website, it was probably cheaper to just buy the guides haha. Still one of my all time favorite sites.

    Oh yeah that Gameboy game I was waiting to see was some new Japanese monster game called Pokemon.

    v4ld1z,

    Pokemon? Sounds interesting. What was it about?

    not_a_dog,

    I remember printing out a 100% guide for Ocarina of Time in the late 90s. IIRC, it came out to ~100 pages. Computer teacher was not happy, lol!

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