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EveningNewbs, do games w ‘Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League’ Ends Its Weekly Updates

Nature is healing.

ampersandrew, (edited )
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Not until Helldivers 2 dies too. I was tricked into thinking it was healing, and then that game exploded.

EDIT: The truth hurts, but that’s still a live service game that’s actively working against the interests of consumers and preservationists. The more money and playtime people give it, the worse this situation gets.

Katana314,

I still don’t think the enemy is “all live service games” exactly. A lot of us have a style of gameplay we enjoy that makes us go “That was fun! I want some more of it.”

Just that Rocksteady made singleplayer games well, and their poor shift just informs us that not all games need to be live service, especially when the gameplay shifts to something no one likes in order to achieve Number Go Up (similar situation with Gotham Knights)

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Number can go up without being tied to a server you don’t and can’t control. Those games still get made, from Titan Quest to Borderlands. Nothing about the gameplay loop of Helldivers offends me; the totally unnecessary forced obsolescence does. The thing that makes it a live service game is the thing that makes it incompatible with surviving for more than a few years without an Act of God, like Knockout City. I also hate that people have been trained into differentiating “single player” and “live service”, as though multiplayer must inherently be this way when it doesn’t have to be. A live service game is just an inferior version of a game they could have made that would survive offline, because it’s tied to their servers. Do you think Sony could have mandated a PSN account after the point of sale if it was available DRM-free and allowed you to run your own servers?

TachyonTele,

There is some hope for these games. For example Shadow of War works perfectly fine now and doesn’t have any of it’s “battle pass” stuff in it anymore. It can happen.
Rarely.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

If Helldivers 2 gets updated to work offline, including multiplayer, I will no longer wish for its death. I just don’t think that’s at all likely.

SkullBoi, do games w ‘Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League’ Ends Its Weekly Updates

Feels so good to see a live service cashgrab fail

Princeali311, (edited )

Their apparent solution to this is more live service games (at least from a few weeks or so ago).

Edit: Link pcgamer.com/…/warner-bros-aims-to-increase-focus-…

TachyonTele,

“If at first you don’t succeed. Fail, fail again.”

Potatos_are_not_friends, do games w ‘Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League’ Ends Its Weekly Updates

Steam puts the player peak for the episode release at just 559 players, and it’s down to peaking under 500 even on the weekend here.

FinishingDutch,
@FinishingDutch@lemmy.world avatar

When you can pack the peak amount of players into a decent sized ballroom, that’s never a good sign for your game’s future.

At this point they’re probably better off just refunding buyers and shuttering the game entirely. Doesn’t feel like this is a salvageable situation.

ParanoiaComplex,

refunding buyers

Image

kureta,

Oof

BroBot9000, do games w ‘Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League’ Ends Its Weekly Updates
@BroBot9000@lemmy.world avatar

Any numbers in on how much money they lost?

MrScottyTay,

Considering what companies that make live services target for… They’ll chalk this up as a loss at the amount of All of the money in the world.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Approximately $200M, but you can get creative with accounting across multiple products, the way they phrased it.

DrSleepless, do games w ‘Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League’ Ends Its Weekly Updates

TIL you can update poop

Whirling_Cloudburst, do games w ‘Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League’ Ends Its Weekly Updates

It was so bad that many of them decided to finally touch grass.

atmur, do games w ‘Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League’ Ends Its Weekly Updates

Watching live service games crash and burn is just so cathartic.

hal_5700X, do games w Report: A Marvel 6v6 Overwatch-Style Shooter Is Coming

Too little too late. With superhero fatigue and people not liking Overwatch has much. This game is dead on arrival.

Voroxpete,

Counterpoint, people love Overwatch, they hate what Blizzard did to it. There’s an audience out there hungry for this exact product if someone can do it right (or, at least, about 20% less wrong than Blizzard).

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

And yet they won’t do it right because everyone wants to make a game as a service these days and sell loot boxes and collectibles with season passes, special editions, early adopter bonuses, login bonuses and in-game currency. If it lacks even two the things I mentioned, I’d be surprised.

Voroxpete,

Oh, sure, there’s basically zero chance that this will actually be good. But that wasn’t my point. All I’m saying is that the idea of releasing an Overwatch style hero shooter right now isn’t inherently stupid.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Am not the average consumer so I wouldn’t know. I do miss good strategy games, turn based and story rich RPGs, etc.

qwertyqwertyqwerty, do games w Report: A Marvel 6v6 Overwatch-Style Shooter Is Coming

This is going to be straight garbage. Not only will it be overstuffed with every microtransaction possible, there’s no way to balance the characters while still keeping them true to the comics. Thor vs. Mantis? Dr. Strange vs. Punisher? Maybe you can help it a bit by having some of the classes be dps/healer/tank, and constrain them somehow, but I don’t see how this would ever work.

Outside of a mobile game. If they are making it a mobile game, it will make $2 billion and be a completely unbalanced piece of shit, and everyone will love it anyways and play it for the next two years.

Neato,
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Just Hawkeye and Black Widow. They don’t have powers, they’re just good at their jobs. It’s already silly in they other games they appear but at least there they don’t fight each other.

Hawk,

There’s going to be some silly background story that somehow levels the playing field, I’m guessing…

intensely_human,

This is a solved problem in the comic book digital media universe: anyone with insufficient powers is given a robot suit to bring them up to par.

Batman … in a robot suit. Spider man … in a robot suit. The Punisher … in a robot suit. Tony Stark … in a robot suit.

echo64,

I’m so tired that this kind of opinion has infested lemmy discourse. Reddit wasn’t this bad.

Wait for shit to come out before getting mad at it. You don’t have to write fan fiction on how mad you are about something just so you can get your anger based serotonin fix early.

JimboDHimbo,

What’s the last NetEase game you’ve played? I’ll wait.

echo64,

Please. I’m pointing out how all you want to do is get mad about things and are in such a fervour to do so that you won’t even wait for the thing to exist to get mad about it.

You want to get mad? Fine, but don’t write fan fiction then get mad about that.

JimboDHimbo,

I’m not the original commenter with the “rage fan fiction”. I’ll answer my own question though. Naraka: Bladepoint. You ever play Naraka: Bladepoint? What about Last Light? I’ve played both, both are hot garbage and microtransaction filled. If a company has a history of putting out shoddy work, why the heck should any of us expect this new game to be any different?

intensely_human,

Why should you expect the game … at all?

How is any expectation whatsoever helpful?

There’s a predictive model you can build and run in your brain. The result of running this model will be feelings of disgust, frustration, anger.

Do you choose to run this mental program? If so, why?

echo64,

You can say the company has a history of mistakes, that’s fine. That’s not what op did and you know it.

JimboDHimbo,

Trailer dropped today. I’ll give it a chance.

intensely_human,

What’s the best dopamine rush you’ve ever gotten from hating on something? How long did it last? When you looked back on it the next day, was it a fond memory for those two minutes?

JimboDHimbo,

Well, I really hated it when someone’s intensely human matriarch from a parallel universe wouldn’t give me a snowball after. Although, the dopamine could have come from the climax and not the hating…not too sure. 😂😂

qwertyqwertyqwerty,

Reddit was definitely worse than one person’s opinion on a obvious cash grab mobile game. I’m not mad. I’m likely not the target audience for this game. If you are excited about it, be excited. Go play it. Give them your money. They will be excited too. Have fun. Spend. Enjoy.

echo64,

I’m not excited about it, I’m just not writing fan fiction so I can get more mad about it.

shani66,

You know people can look at the world around them, notice trends, and make fairly accurate predictions of the future based on them, yeah?

intensely_human,

Sure. And someone who gets worked up over these predictions is foolish.

caut_R, do games w Report: A Marvel 6v6 Overwatch-Style Shooter Is Coming

The dream duo: Suits that are out of touch with their customers and chasing trends with a multi year delay lol

Neato,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

What about a Marvel battle Royale?!

caut_R,

That’s the kinda forward thinking that I like to hear! Here‘s your 200m, you have 2 years, I expect a prototype of the ingame shop by the end of next week

Andrenikous,

I mean if it actually had good diverse gameplay per character and allowed us to obliterate our surroundings I could see it having a player base for a bit. Trying to balance it would be a nightmare for whatever team was tackling it.

intensely_human,

Any good Marvel game should definitely have heavily destructible environments.

And they need to model different kinds of destruction too, from explosions to melting to being warped or having portions teleported away.

intensely_human, do games w Report: A Marvel 6v6 Overwatch-Style Shooter Is Coming

Hell yes. Any time I play over watch I think “this reminds me of a marvel movie battle scene”

Fades, do games w Report: A Marvel 6v6 Overwatch-Style Shooter Is Coming

Created by netease, which means it will be a piece of fucking shit flush with micro transactions designed to suck as much of your life away for as little possible effort

It’s a real shame because the premise could be awesome if done right but instead they went with the quick cash grab approach.

dlpkl, do games w Report: A Marvel 6v6 Overwatch-Style Shooter Is Coming

I would have been hyped for this before the time of predatory microtransactions. Now I’m just bummed to see how shit it’ll be

Mini_Moonpie, do games w Report: A Marvel 6v6 Overwatch-Style Shooter Is Coming

I just want Marvel Heroes back.

BruceTwarzen,

For real, that game was such a good time.

mox, do games w Report: A Marvel 6v6 Overwatch-Style Shooter Is Coming

Tangentially related: Gigantic is coming back, so those of us who missed it might finally get to play it.

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