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lvxferre, do gaming w AITAH for pirating games before buying them?
@lvxferre@lemmy.ml avatar

For the people discussing here: remember that the morality of an act depends on the act itself, the context where it happens, and the moral premises. It does not depend on how you phrase or label the act.

With that in mind: since I define arseholery as “actions or behaviour that cause more harm to someone else than they benefit the agent”, and there’s practically no harm being caused by OP’s actions, I do not think that OP is being an arsehole.

0485919158191,
@0485919158191@lemmy.world avatar

Good point!

bionicjoey,

It’s a victimless “crime”. Especially since OP is saying they will go on to buy games they like.

Kolanaki, do games w What games had easy soft locks that prevented you from either progressing or getting a true ending?
!deleted6508 avatar

Sierra adventure games, like King’s Quest and Space Quest, were notorious for this kind of thing. Like there could be an item you have 1 chance to get, and you didn’t know, so you don’t get it and then several hours later when you’re at the end of the game, you realize you need that thing to solve the puzzle and actually move on. But you can’t. Because you didn’t get it when you had the chance and you can not go back.

BeanGoblin,
@BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I like the Unstable Ordinance from Space Quest IV that you can pick up near the start of the game. It’s entirely useless, you can’t ditch it, and if you have in your inventory near the end of the game, it blows up and kills you. Everytime. You have to restart nearly the whole game and resist the adventure game urge to grab everything that isn’t nailed down.

ripcord,
@ripcord@kbin.social avatar

I thought it blew up when you went into the sewers which isn't long after you pick it up. But still, it's a trap you don't realize is a problem right away and really sucked :)

RaincoatsGeorge,

Those games didn’t give a fuck about your feelings. I remember some of those point and clicks had zero chill. I played one where all I wanted to do was cross the street. My character was immediately run over by a car and I had to start over. The typing games could be even worse. Oh sorry this bees nest is attacking you, here’s hoping you grabbed the bug spray under the carpet on the 3rd floor and are quick enough on your feet to type out the exact sequence of words necessary to get your character to use it. ‘Use bug spray’ sorry can you please be more specific. Oh never mind your character is dead, no saves, heres the worst 8 bit death audio anyone has ever created.

Theharpyeagle, (edited )

Ah, fond memories of playing Hugo’s House of Horrors and having to frantically type while a dog bites your face off.

RaincoatsGeorge,

That’s the exact game that came to mind. At least a few years ago there was a website where you could play all those games , I don’t know if it’s still up.

Grrbrr, do gaming w What games have you played due to FOMO?
@Grrbrr@sopuli.xyz avatar

Umm. It sounds more like that you are just trying out new things and genres and finding that it’s not always a hit with you. That’s healthy.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

When you put it like that yeah but I was forcing myself through games I wasn’t necessarily enjoying.

derin,
@derin@lemmy.beru.co avatar

It’s okay to stop playing a game after you’ve played enough of it to understand it isn’t for you.

I think I had about 10~12 hours played of Diablo 4 before I noticed it wasn’t for me and stopped. Still enjoyed what little I played of it, but wasn’t motivated to continue.

KoboldCoterie,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

That’s not really FOMO. FOMO would be like, pre-ordering a special edition of a game you aren’t even sure about wanting for $90 because there’s a “Preorder-Only” in-game perk and you just have to have, or falling for those “Limited Time Only” microtransactions in FTP games.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I guess I meant it more so in the fear of missing out on something culturally relevant. Whether it’s a modern multiplayer game like Destiny 2 or a classic that is frequently referenced like Half Life. Not being able to be part of the conversation when it’s brought up

KoboldCoterie,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

I guess I can see where you’re coming from. Kind of the fear of missing out on being a part of the gaming zeitgeist.

Dragonmind,

There’s an important moment where you have to ask yourself…

“Is this story so bad I’m not invested in it anymore?”

“Is the gameplay bothering me so much that it feels bad or unfun to me?”

If the answer is yes to both of those, you may feel free to drop the game with full confidence you’re not gonna play it again.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I get what you are saying but a lot of the time it’s just a mediocre experience and I’m not necessarily disliking it. More indifferent than anything. Occasionally a game has made a pretty solid turn around in the last act

rikudou, do piracy w How can I use yuzu If I don't have a switch in the first place?
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

Those files can be found by googling, no one here is likely to share them because sharing them is illegal.

tiwenty,

looks at the sub 😏

RussianKun,

He probably meant this: lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/18438

tiwenty,

Ok that makes sense, thanks!

nothacking,

General discussion of illegal activities is legal, but distributed methods/keys/software to bypass DRM is not. In addition to the poster getting in trouble, the admins of multiple instances could at minimum be forced to delete the content, and at worst get their asses kicked by Nentendo’s legal team, and be forced to reveal the identities of the user that posted it.

tiwenty,

Fair enough, I didn’t read the rules.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

In my jurisdiction downloading pirated stuff is perfectly legal. It’s only illegal when you’re distributing it. And even for jurisdictions where it’s not legal even to download pirated stuff, companies don’t much care about people who download, but only those who upload and as far as I know, you can discuss pirating all you want and nothing’s illegal.

tiwenty,

Interesting, thanks!

supersonicstork, (edited ) do gaming w I don't want to "Press any key to continue" to the main menu
@supersonicstork@beehaw.org avatar

I got curious myself and agreed, so I went looking.

A lot of sources specified that it was part of a technical requirements checklist, and…

Yeap. It doesn’t explicitly require a “press any key” screen, but it gives a more pleasant screen to look at while you select a user. People online also say it’s used to detect which controller is in use.

If you add a feature like this to a game, it becomes harder to maintain if there are discrepancies between builds. So presumably it’s usually just left in rather than removed.

Durotar,
@Durotar@lemmy.ml avatar

People online also say it’s used to detect which controller is in use.

I don’t get it. Any modern game can detect when you connect or disconnect a controller on the fly, in the actual game.

Oka,

Yet they are not built in features to game engines such as Unity and Unreal

Dangdoggo,

Unity's new input package does exactly this.

Thassodar,

Keyword: new. From now on people can do it, but prior to now it wasn’t possible from what they’re saying.

Dangdoggo,

The New Input Package is actually just what Unity users call it because it isn't the original and requires a package manager install from the stock LTR releases but it's been out for a few years now. Still, you're right, although I see no reason not to adopt it, most games that are using it will probably be releasing this year.

snowbell,
@snowbell@beehaw.org avatar

Some games use it to determine who is player one vs player two. i.e. whoever presses the button first is treated as player 1.

Carter,

I remember a lot of games assigning the “press any button” controller has player 1 back in the day.

GolGolarion, do gaming w I used to be concerned about a game being too short. Now I worry that it will be too long.

I think you’ve nailed it by outlining the worry of kids without an income of their own - if you can’t buy what you want whenever, game length is a plus, but when you’ve got disposable income, summer sales, the odd free game, and new good titles coming out all the time, brevity’s more valuable than each game being a forever-game.

noxypaws, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact
@noxypaws@pawb.social avatar

Curtailing developer choice is rather the point, no?

lordnikon,

Yeah just the choices that fucks over paying customers. They are saying they would like to keep doing that and this laws would curtail that.

Will someone think of the poor shareholders? /s

maxwells_daemon, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

“Developers” are the ones who are passionate about the games they make, and definitely don’t want their games dead.

“Corporations” are the ones who only want to profit from selling the game, and then ditch it once it’s no longer lucrative enough.

ordnance_qf_17_pounder, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures
DeathByBigSad,

I American’t sign European petitions

sip,

no worries, if you are on any online gaming comunities with Europeans, you can share the link.

in_the_dark_forest, do games w Signatures skyrocket for **Stop Killing Games** campaign after big youtubers take up the cause, resulting in 100k signatures in 48 hours. (Details on how to help in text body of post)
JovialSodium, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20

7 year old me also didn’t know about the L3 and R3 buttons. But this was the controller I had at the time so perhaps reasonable.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/ffb49031-fc72-4677-98b5-ebac9ba6b141.png

SidewaysHighways,

big if true

wreckedcarzz,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

It’s actually quite small

lunarul,
dubyakay,
bampop,
@bampop@lemmy.world avatar

Hell yeah. A damn fine joystick, until the leaf switches break

Atherel,

They broke on WinterGames…

VoteNixon2016,

Unironically, the NES controller and game boy advance controls are still some of my favorites

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

These were mine:

https://atariage.com/5200/images/controllers/con_Atari5200.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WmIAAOSw2EFmKoXr/s-l400.png

The controller that came with the Atari 5200 was complete ass. That third-party one was much, much better.

Agent_Karyo, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

I really hope indie gamedevs start moving off Discord. Sometimes it’s the only source for finding help or reporting bugs.

AntiBullyRanger,

This is super hilarious, ’cause host a devlog is so simple, it can be done in ssh, even in forsaken email. While lemmy is literally here.

mic_check_one_two,

Yeah, and it’s doubly infuriating because Discord is not a good replacement for support forums. It isn’t searchable via search engines, and even the built in search is fucking dog water.

Let’s say I have an error, so I google “{Program} {Error code} Solved”. With a forum, I would find a thread that is already talking about the specific error, with comments regarding troubleshooting steps or a solution… But with Discord, all I get is a generic link to the program’s server.

And even once I’m in the server, there often isn’t a good way for me to find existing threads about my specific error. Maybe I check the pinned messages, but some servers have dozens of channels; am I expected to check the pins on every single channel? Oftentimes that seems to be the expectation, because asking a question will often just get a “check the pinned messages, ya thud-fuck” type of response.

Or maybe I search it, but (again) am I expected to search every single channel? And since Discord doesn’t use fuzzed searches, searching for “Error code 0x00548327” won’t return any results if the thread simply uses “Error 548327” instead. With Google (or any half-decent search engine, really) you get results for both. But not with Discord.

So instead, I ask in the support channel. And that leads me to my final gripe… My response takes actual effort from another person in order to solve. Maybe I get lucky and they have a bot set up to respond to a keyword/error number in my comment… But if not, or if I didn’t use the specific keyword that the bot was searching for, then I need to rely on other people. If there are 200 people with the same issue, that’s 200 times that someone needs to respond to what is essentially the same message. With a forum, you could simply find the post, and read the responses. No human interaction necessary, because it has already been done. The question and answer process has already happened. But with Discord, I’m forced to wait on someone to actually respond, and the devs/admins actually need to dedicate time and resources to ensuring it gets answered. That constant vigilance takes a lot more time and effort away from actual mod duties.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a comically bad experience.

I get it that it’s probably easier to setup a Discord server, than to run your own forum, but you can always get a managed solution or use reddit (I would prefer if Lemmy was used, but I am also realistic).

mic_check_one_two,

I’m actually against companies running their own subreddits, purely because I’m an old redditor who remembers when it was specifically disallowed by Reddit. The original intent was for the site to the run by the people, not by companies. Companies were actually prevented from moderating their own subs; the worry was that they would use their mod powers to suppress any sort of negative press or criticism, no matter how valid.

For instance, maybe there’s a popular TV show. The company wasn’t allowed to have a hand in moderating the official fan sub for the show, because it was left up to the public. If the show did something unpopular, the broadcasting company shouldn’t have the ability to suppress the criticism about it.

But Reddit has since done a complete 180 on that topic, and now goes out of their way to install corporate moderators. Subs are now run as an extension of the company’s marketing and/or PR departments

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed. Just at this point I think it’s fair to say that this policy is definitely not in effect.

MrScottyTay,

Fucking preach! I feel like this falls on deaf ears most of the time though sadly.

ulterno,

I normally like GitLab issues as a place for bug reports.

A FAQ and an old style forum works pretty well for help.
In fact, just make a community on Lemmy for the forum part and you’ll have what’s required.

GitHub also has this new “Discussions” thing which should do some good, for those that want to stay on GitHub

supersquirrel, (edited ) do gaming w The steam deck is just great

I genuinely believe people will look back at this moment and wonder what Nintendo could have done if they weren’t too limited in their vision to understand the opportunity they are throwing away here.

Apple isn’t popular with younger people the way it used to be, nobody likes Microsoft, everybody hates Android (I do too even though that is my phone os)… there is a major generational opening here for introducing kids to computers in a fun way and becoming “the computer” in the minds of kids.

Especially with the environmental crisis and climate change, people will look back at this and shake there heads and lament that if only Nintendo had copied Valve for that generation of Switches, Nintendo could have grown into an entire operating system and computer culture and there would be WAY less needlessly obsolete handheld computers laying around from when the next generation of Switches inveitably comes out…

What people still don’t understand about computers and people is that whoever introduces kids to computers capable of doing complex work in a fun way will shape the future, because those kids will grow up into adults who create, use and design tools that do cool amazing things. Nintendo needs to wake the fuck up and realize they are selling a handheld computer that is very good at playing games, the world desperately needs another company with vision, good UI design, and the capability to bring hardware and software together into a competent computer experience (Microsoft cannot do this, and undermines all its hardware partners that actually try to do this with their own incompetence).

lowleekun,

It is nintendo. After a success they need a fail. At this point it seems like one of the underlying rules of our universe.

bruce965,
@bruce965@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t think that will happen. I share your vision, but that’s not how “Nintendo people” reason.

I have a few Nintendo friends and all of them share two reasons for going Nintendo:

  1. Great games
  2. No tinkering
mesamunefire, (edited )

Yep. Old Nintendo you would buy the thing (cartridge/disk/ect) and with no fiddling the game runs. It used to be its best quality. That and most people don’t buy them new, they would get games used. It was “cheapish” and you knew you were going to have fun.

Nowadays it’s not so black and white. I have long term Nintendo fan friends that for the first time are thinking of skipping this generation. Or in one case waiting a couple of years. But we shall see. More options are good for all us users, so I’m happy we have these two companies vieing for our time/$.

i_dont_want_to,

The move to try to limit secondhand physical game sales and requiring the Internet to download the whole game in some instances was part of my decision to skip this generation, if I’m even going to stick with Nintendo at all in the future.

mesamunefire,

I agree. That and them going after emulation in general makes me not want to buy their products anymore.

There’s a ton of good indies and devs are releasing most games on all platforms nowadays. The console makes less and less sence.

samus12345,

long term Nintendo fan friends that for the first time are thinking of skipping this generation

That’s me. Nintendo consoles since the Wii have been a “side piece” to more powerful consoles for me. Now that they’re pricing the console close to the powerful ones and charging MORE for the games, I’m out.

rtxn,

Great games

Oh, bollocks to that. All it took was one serious competitor to Pokémon to make Nintendo shit the bed. Excepting Zelda, most of the pathologically Nintendo games are shovelware-tier trash. If the current iteration of Mario or Mario Kart were released today without the nostalgiabait and brand recognition, they’d be the laughing stock of the industry.

All Nintendo has is quirky gadgets, a closed ecosystem, and notoriety.

pimento64,

If the current iteration of Mario or Mario Kart were released today without the nostalgiabait and brand recognition, they’d be the laughing stock of the industry.

This was very convenient, thanks. Now I know I can safely ignore every opinion you have on every matter.

rtxn,
doomcanoe, (edited )

I mean, they’re kind of right. Objectively Mario Odyssey and MK8 were great games that can proudly hold their own against any of the greats. Not the best games ever, but much closer to that title than to your Hateorade fuelled “opinions”.

I’m as pissed off at Nintendo as anyone at this point, but if you are going to straight up exaggerate your distaste for these games to the point of obviously lying, it shows two things.

  1. You are infact the only person here actively unwilling to challenge your beliefs.
  2. Your opinion is so based in emotion that it can’t be trusted. And an untrustworthy opinion can safely be disregarded.
donuts,

Pokémon is indeed a sad state of affairs. Although it’s not developed by Nintendo, but that’s being pedantic.

In-house developed games are certainly of a quality you don’t find elsewhere. There’s a reason games like Metroid Prime, Mario Odyssey and Zelda BotW/TotK are critically acclaimed, and it’s not for being nostalgia bait.

rtxn, (edited )

Criticall acclaim doesn’t make a thing automatically good. The criteria are way too arbitrary, and sometimes boils down to “a well-known publisher has done a thing” simply because it attracts more eyes and journalists have a financial interest in playing nice with those publishers.

A Hat in Time was released around the same time as Odyssey. It’s the first game of a small indie studio and it beats the living piss out of Mario in terms of gameplay and style. The only reason it wasn’t more of a breakthrough was timing and getting eclipsed by Mario’s shadow.

abfarid,
@abfarid@startrek.website avatar

I can understand not liking the genres or having different stylistic preferences, but saying that new Mario games are shovelware? Have you played them? SMB Wonder was the most fun my brother and I have had playing a platformer in like 20 years. The game is full of creativity, almost every level introduces a new game mechanic that could easily be its own game.

Susurrus,

That doesn’t make much sense to me. The games part okay, kinda, since Nintendo games aren’t easily available on the Deck.

But tinkering? I’ve had a Steam Deck since it first launched, and the only tinkering I’ve done is because I could, and wanted to. Never because I needed to. All games I’ve played work perfectly out of the box. Even games marked as ‘unsupported’. All of my tinkering was completely unnecessary and done for additional fun, e.g. modding, which is one of the best things about PC gaming, and will most certainly never be a thing on Nintendo’s platforms.

As far as I can tell, “Nintendo people” don’t really ‘reason’. More like, they follow their uninformed preconceptions, and reject anything that doesn’t fit with them. My gf has been a Nintendo fan for a long time, and she was convinced other platforms aren’t that simple and offer a worse experience. I introduced her to PC gaming, and showed her how the Deck works. Now she’s forgotten about her Switch and isn’t going to buy Switch 2. It seems to me that all these people need is somebody to show them what gaming really is. Because whatever Nintendo is, it certainly isn’t gaming. Just a small glimpse into gaming, maybe.

As for Zelda, Mario or whatever fans - guess they’ll have to stick with Nintendo. Personally their games never appealed to me enough to buy a console specifically to play them. I’d like to play the new Zelda games, but I have a lot of other games to finish first. And then again, Switch emulation is incredibly easy. Took me like 10 or 15 minutes to get BotW working last time.

bruce965,
@bruce965@lemmy.ml avatar

I agree with you, but I would say you can’t assume everyone has the same goals. I can tell you, my Nintendo friends are not idiots nor mindless zombies. They simply are not interested in learning about how the other options work, and I would say that’s totally fair.

I have a dear friend who has most of his games on Steam, but still, he told me he prefers the Switch. “Why?” I asked him. “Because Nintendo makes exactly the kind of games I want to play, and because unlike with the PC, I can just pick up my Switch and start playing” he answered.

I have a ROG Ally with Bazzite (so, basically equivalent to a Steam Deck) and I have to admit that, while 90% of the time every game works out of the box, sometimes some games misbehave. Although, to be fair, this only happened to me with Epic Games games ran through Heroic.

I would say it’s totally fair to prefer Nintendo. It gives you great games that don’t require tinkering. If that’s what you want, then Nintendo is a great option for you.

partial_accumen,

Nintendo could have grown into an entire operating system and computer culture and there would be WAY less needlessly obsolete handheld computers laying around from when the next generation of Switches inveitably comes out…

This isn’t and has never been Nintendo’s desired goal. Needless obsolete handheld computers laying around is a feature not a bug. Nintendo wants to sell more hardware. If you’re able to use your hardware longer, it means lost sales. Nintendo also doesn’t want to be a general purpose OS. There’s all kinds of things you have to do as a company for a general purpose OS you don’t have to do as an embedded system as they are today.

essteeyou,

Your assertion that Apple, Microsoft, and Android are all unpopular with everyone seems like it might actually be a personal opinion rather than a fact.

I know people who enjoy all of those.

supersquirrel,

Lol those poor lost souls

DrSteveBrule, do games w Avowed made me scream to my doctor: “I am a wizard!”

I work in a GI lab and one of the funniest things I heard when a patient was waking up was, “You guys were so good I’m coming back for another colonoscopy tomorrow!”

MentalEdge, (edited ) do gaming w Why don't we have motion smoothing on current consoles?
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Because it introduces latency.

Higher framerates only in part improve the experience due to looking better, they also make the game feel faster because what you input is reflected in-game that fraction of a second sooner.

Increasing framerate while incurring higher latency might look nicer for an onlooker, but it generally feels a lot worse to actually play.

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