Jup, I just never buy games with Denuvo these days.
Under Windows, the 5 machine activations per 24 hours limit they impose wasn’t something I ever hit, but under Linux it’s kind of easy because, as the article states, switching Proton versions counts as a machine activation to Denuvo.
Ah, Microsoft. Just when I thought you understood how to properly release a game with South of Midnight and TES: Oblivion Remastered: Steam Deck verified, no Denuvo or other intrusive DRM (doesn’t mean the games are DRM free), available on multiple storefronts. Along comes Doom and they just couldn’t resist Denuvo. Idiots.
Under Windows, the 5 machine activations per 24 hours limit they impose wasn’t something I ever hit, but under Linux it’s kind of easy because, as the article states, switching Proton versions counts as a machine activation to Denuvo.
That limit isn’t mandatory with Denuvo and Doom apparently doesn’t have it. On Steam some games mention a limit on the store page, like Atomfall, Atomic Heart or a few Assassin’s Creed games.
The Dark Ages EULA does mention something like Denuvo “may” limit installations, but then never says anything else.
I’ve played Ace Attorney and the writers put a lot of love and personality into the characters. I’d be sceptical if an AI could get close enough to any kind of writing style to “kill” writing in games like that.
Honestly getting fed up of AI doing a mediocre job of creating art and then people claiming it kills whole industries because it’s the “in” technology.
The amount of time to build something like this seems like it would offset the amount of effort it would take just to write good character dialogue. AI tools are basically word calculators, which means you have to provide data for the LLM, which means time to produce this data, time to build guardrails, etc. Even in this implementation, they say they had to build guardrails so that they don't say anything "harmful."
There are also a number of lawsuits going on that will set a precedent for how training data can be utilized in commercial products. While I expect them to take the side of large corporations with vast resources at the expense of ethics, there's the possibility that they will do the right thing. This will affect how AI tools wil be used in such contexts.
I know the situation is different for everyone diagnosed with autism, but I like to compare AI writing as being something similar to someone with autism writing (as someone with autism). It can look kinda emotionless and robotic at times but other times it looks passable as something slightly less robotic.
Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft and there games because theyre supporting it but a lot of companies could have stakes in gaming companies and support the genocide its a team effort from NATO to support Israels genocide.
Well, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, as they say. Literally anything you buy, there could be a shareholder who is evil. But y’gotta vote with your wallet, and so it makes a bigger impact to boycott companies that are directly involved, rather than ambiguous or strenuous connections.
Same, I’m happy to wait for Denuvo to be removed, for the game patches to come out, and Nvidia to fucking fix their god damn drivers. Plus side, I’ll pay a reasonable price for the game when I buy it.
Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that’s piracy and locks the user out of the game
Actually, I think that might be harder than you’d imagine, at least as things work right now
Valve would probably need something in the Proton API to help ensure programs don’t think each version is a different PC as that is kinda the point of how Wine/Proton work (by creating a fake virtual PC and running things through that), or change how prefixes are handled so that all proton versions default to the same prefix (which would have other issues im sure)
None of which would be a problem if they just exported the game from their software into a native Linux format, of course. Doom runs on Unreal, yeah? Should take 0 effort to make a native Linux version of the game, but they won’t
Denuvo’s whole schtick is that your unique system environment gets used as a part of the “unlocking key” of sorts, so it would definitely not be simple. For example windows users face the same issue with denuvo whenever windows updates, although obviously that doesn’t happen often enough to be an actual issue.
Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).
While the CD checks are absolutely annoying, nothing, and I mean nothing, was more inconvenient than having to go to a certain page and a certain line and a certain word in the manual to unlock a program you paid for. Fucking infuriating.
Shuddderr. I remember the first time I saw a game do that, I thought oh what a fun little game I guess it’s to get me to use the manual… like some kind of ARG, but when I realized the real purpose all the joy was sucked out of it.
Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR, and I’d imagine there’s also a lot of overlap there.
I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.
I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.
Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.
That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
You have to enable HDR in the Windows 10 settings, do Win+I, type “HD Color”, and then set your AMD display drivers to “Color Correction” in Display to adjust for the bad Win10 HDR implementation.
Sailing is back on the menu once Empress decides, I guess? Is Empress still the only one cracking Denuvo, or has the Denuvo Cracking scene changed much in the last 5-10 years? I don’t really keep up with it much.
Empress is barely active anymore, if at all. Look at the last few dozen DRM-enabled games released in the last few years and I don’t think a single one was cracked. There was Dragon’s Dogma 2, but it turned out that was just a leaked pre-launch dev build and its performance was awful (because the game has shit performance that was even worse at launch than it is now).
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing Id Bethesda Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM and didn’t learn from EAs blunder. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.
One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.
With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
Gonna be honest, if Dark Ages represents the future of Doom: Doom died with Eternal. I’ve played probably 75% of the game and it’s enough to turn me off of every future title.
Edit: Bizarre fucking takes in this thread. How many of you that liked DA played on controller?
Final edit: liking Dark Ages and disliking Eternal is like preferring lunchables to a NYC slice.
Every single encounter is braindead. There are like 8 true demons. There are 3-4 weapons (the others are worthless), and literally never a reason to use any of them but the impaler and the BFC (which is functionally completely different than the BFG).
I have not used my brain for any of the encounters. I throw my shield to deal with checks notes 80% of the encounter, spamming parry and impaler headshots to simply annihilate every boss or even remotely threatening enemy.
The game is fucking boring.
Edit: this isn’t even discussing the fact that it seems like every encounter is dEfEaT eNeMiEs To BrEaK sHiElD. Very dumbed down sequel to 2016.
I’m replaying 2016 right now and it’s the same. There are a handful of enemies, the minor demons are so weak they might as well all be the same. I never use the pistol or Gauss gun. Most weapons are functionally identical, I only switch when I’m out of ammo. When I run low on health, I do a glory kill. Rinse and repeat.
Eternal has much more variety in its combat, and being more frantic makes it more satisfying to chain kills.
Yeah, I definitely pissed off the geriatrics/children in this thread - Eternal was peak. 2016 was a good start. Dark Ages is a joke.
Actually, I’m seeing that it might just be a good controller shooter. Which, of course, means that it is fundamentally furthest from doom as a concept.
Bad game, went from ‘will buy every ID IP from now on’ to ‘YAAAARRRR’ after 12 chapters. Idk if I’m even going to finish it, I’m probably just gonna go for another Eternal UN run.
The idea that anyone likes doom 2016 without liking dark ages despite dark ages being more of a gameplay successor to 2016 - genuinely fucking baffling.
Hard disagree. Doom Eternal was a rhythm game disguised as an FPS and I hated it. It’s crazy to me how widely acclaimed it was even over Doom 2016, which I thought was amazing. I’m glad they shifted back towards a more grounded FPS style that doesn’t force you to juggle your entire weapon arsenal nonstop the entire game.
I really enjoyed 2016, couldn’t get into Eternal though. I’m definitely going to hold off on this new one until it’s been out longer and goes on sale, unless it gets standing ovations. Then, if I don’t like it I haven’t lost much.
Have someone that’s even just moderately good at Eternal and then watch their keyboard strokes. It’s a combo-centric game, where you’re constantly juggling weapons and jumping to and fro, and eventually it slides into a “flow.” It’s not literally a rhythm game, but it actually kind of is once you hit that flow. I don’t know how to explain it beyond that; but, it’s not a hot take in the least, as even huge fans of it have agreed with the sentiment.
yeah i love doom eternal and you’re completely right here. i think it’s definitely more noticeable at higher difficulties, but the game absolutely demands a certain rhythm
I played it for just a couple of hours and I understood why you were saying that. It was either dance around like an idiot or make no progress. I didn’t like it and stopped playing it.
Who did you get that from? Doom Eternal is in no way a rhythm game, weapon swapping was no different from 2016 to DE. The only enemy that ‘requires’ it is the marauder and god forbid you need to switch between two weapons.
No, better to strip everything that made Doom good - down to the fucking double jump. Bad joke.
You’re so wrong it’s almost like the version you played came from another reality.
Guns and ammo all loop back on eachother forcing you to use everything you have to keep shooting. You can’t stick to one gun for more than a few shots lmao. Either you’re larping and you didn’t get past muraurder and you’re just spitting a youtuber take.
First off, it’s a first person shooter. What you’ve said is literally how first person shooters work. Not to mention: if you’re suggesting that I’m larping while trying to suggest you don’t have nigh infinite ammo for every encounter in eternal… idk, I’m gonna laugh at you with my other friends who love doom.
Second, are you suggesting that you like the fact that you only need to use one out of… how many, 16 weapons?
Ewww I don’t like the fact that this game… makes me play it and doesn’t just let me autopilot through everything.
Yes I’m sure that Dark Ages has appeal to kids and old people. I am neither.
This will be a very amusing conversation with my friends. Cope harder, dark ages is shit.
Edit: by the way, it takes 20 seconds to charge one pip of the chainsaw. If you’ve somehow used all of your resources in 20 seconds and the thing isn’t dead; you’re just bad.
No, I will make sure everyone understands that the game they subjectively like is objectively bad. I refuse to back down when people are making very clearly outlandish statements.
Edit: prove that it’s a rhythm game without using sequential button presses as a metric.
Is Dark Ages really more grounded? What the hell does that mean here?
I had issues with Eternal demanding I use the weapons the way the devs intended, but when I saw parrying was a central part in Dark Ages, it was an easy decision to wait. Icon of Sin was peak because it was chaos management. I managed the Marauders, but just couldn’t be assed to beat the Dark Lord.
Good thing the indie scene is making their own Doom likes.
I believe it depends on the player’s personal playstyle. I’ve played Doom 3, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal. Doom 3 is for fans of horror-focused FPS games, Doom 2016 offers action at a normal pace, and Doom Eternal feels like a high-speed dance.
I’ll try Dark Ages next year, but I think if they had added even more mechanics than the Eternal had, the game might be more like an RPG than an FPS.
BOTW was a good open world game, though - Doom 3 was a cheap attempt at plastering a survival horror skin onto the Doom IP. The level design was bad, the jump scares were cheap - the only thing it had going for it was that it was the first 3d doom.
Not sure why they’re getting downvoted for speaking facts. Nobody is cracking Denuvo anymore. To my understanding, the way Denuvo is installed in a game is similar to how a wad of gum gets in your hair: it’s stuck in various different spots, and takes a lot of work to get out completely. Basically, hackers have little incentive to devote weeks to pry it out of a game, so they’ve pretty much stopped. The only good thing about Denuvo, as far as the piracy scene is concerned, is that devs have to pay yearly for a license, which means inevitably, they will stop, and remove it from the game. But who knows when that will be.
Huh? That’s the very definition of incentive for a “hacker” (“cracker” should be the term). There’s also nothing really new about having protection checks in many places, usually using illegal opcodes or self-modifying code. At least on a 6502. Processors have changed, so have the tools to go with it.
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