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atrielienz, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Was this before or after this: lemmy.world/post/29593011

Because I’m curious why Valve would have gone to so much trouble to make the game run on Linux just to ruin that.

Hubi,
@Hubi@feddit.org avatar

Well the game runs well if you just launch it with only one Proton configuration and keep playing on that. The issue is changing the Proton version is recognized as multiple installations by the DRM and it locks you out after a couple of tries.

atrielienz,

This is what I didn’t understand. Thank you for explaining.

umbrella, (edited ) do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
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  • Arcane2077,

    it won’t be cracked, you have to hope the devs leak the drm-free version

    gradual,

    it won’t be cracked

    How do you know?

    Kinokoloko,

    Not sure why they’re getting downvoted for speaking facts. Nobody is cracking Denuvo anymore. To my understanding, the way Denuvo is installed in a game is similar to how a wad of gum gets in your hair: it’s stuck in various different spots, and takes a lot of work to get out completely. Basically, hackers have little incentive to devote weeks to pry it out of a game, so they’ve pretty much stopped. The only good thing about Denuvo, as far as the piracy scene is concerned, is that devs have to pay yearly for a license, which means inevitably, they will stop, and remove it from the game. But who knows when that will be.

    HugeNerd,

    Huh? That’s the very definition of incentive for a “hacker” (“cracker” should be the term). There’s also nothing really new about having protection checks in many places, usually using illegal opcodes or self-modifying code. At least on a 6502. Processors have changed, so have the tools to go with it.

    Treczoks, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Not that I would have bought it - not my type of game - but this game gets on my blacklist.

    IEatDaGoat, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Eh 70 dollars for 10 hours of repetitive gameplay is bad value anyway.

    biscuitswalrus,

    Don’t tell competitive gamers that. LOL, CS, Overwatch, COD whatever is about a simple game loop for those who enjoy that loop.

    Bartsbigbugbag,

    No way, it’s only 10 hours? Eternal was longer than that, and so was 2016!

    IEatDaGoat, (edited )

    I finished DOOM (2016) in 8.8 hours. Granted I didn’t stop for collectables and was on normal mode. I tried Eternal but got bored after 2 hours so that’s what I’m basing it off.

    My steam friends currently have about 17 hours (they bought it early) but they like collecting stuff and getting 100% achievements. I’m not sure how long the story is without 100%ing it but it shouldn’t be too different from the other games.

    Aux,

    Why do you even play games if you rush them? It’s like the guy a few years ago asking on Reddit if he should go past no return in Cyberpunk 2077 at level 18. The fuck, mate? You missed the whole game!

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    A bunch of people are like that, too.

    It’s like buying some expensive bottle of wine, thwn chugging half. And throwing the rest away.

    IEatDaGoat, (edited )

    Who said I was rushing? Gathering the collectables is a chore so I just progressed through the story and finished it.

    Edit: Also my friend 100% the new Doom game on the highest difficulty in 21 hours. Doom games are short in general.

    Blackmist,

    I did all the fixer missions in Cyberpunk and honestly wish I hadn’t bothered.

    It destroyed the pacing completely, and did nothing but waste my time. Like sure, they’re not automatically generated or anything, but they don’t add anything to the game experience.

    The same goes for pretty much every open world game that isn’t designed around actual exploration. If your map is a sea of icons, your open world game isn’t that.

    Blackmist,

    Do you also rate books by the number of pages?

    This attitude here is what has fucked up gaming more than any greedy publisher ever did.

    vxx,

    If a book costs 80€ for a ten hour read, it’s a complete ripoff that nobody would buy.

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    Unless it was a new Harry Potter apparently.

    vxx,

    You still had the choice between a cheaper pocket book and the bound version.

    ulterno,

    But what if the book were titled, “Here’s how I became a millionaire” or “steps to become a millionaire” or stuff like that

    vxx,

    Those are still a ripoff at 1€

    ulterno,

    Well, it would really just be a 2 - 10 second read, depending upon how fast you read, so…

    On the other hand, do you consider time taken imagining the story, as part of the reading time, because I know a book that would have a months long reading time in that case.

    faythofdragons, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.

    mo_lave, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.

    Newsteinleo,

    Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing Id Bethesda Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM and didn’t learn from EAs blunder. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.

    mo_lave,

    There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM

    Newsteinleo,

    One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.

    https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/drm

    mo_lave,

    GoG has DRM-free games: www.gog.com/en/about_gog

    13igTyme,

    Gog also doesn’t have nearly as many games.

    mo_lave,

    Yes, and I don’t know what you are trying to say.

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh no?

    ulterno,

    Shows how much, most companied wont want to give you DRM free stuff.

    Who knows, maybe they are gaining side-revenue, selling your memory scans.

    andros_rex,

    With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)

    Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.

    vortexal, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
    @vortexal@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, most of Id’s games had official native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.

    Newsteinleo,

    This is what happens when bean counters make the decisions. Linux is only 4% of market share so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.

    gamermanh,

    so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.

    What’s so fucking annoying about these DRM issues is that basically all of the AntiCheat and DRM we have WORK ON LINUX IF YOU ENABLE ONE FUCKING SETTING

    Easy AntiCheat for example is quite literally a checkbox at some point of compiling or whatever, I’ve seen someone do it!

    Newsteinleo,

    Shows you how little they value Linux games

    Aux,

    It never is just a checkbox though. You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros. For a fraction of users. If Linux crowd wants to be taken seriously, they should settle on a single distro for everything.

    gamermanh,

    You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros

    Lol

    BreakerSwitch,

    It wouldn’t astonish me if this were a semi-deliberate act by microsoft. While they’re trying very hard to expand to every platform, non-windows pcs seem to be the exception. Linux and OSX have the game gamepass support as your phone.

    Mwa, (edited ) do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    am gonna stick to Classic Doom(including doom 64) ,thanks.

    even tho i didnt play doom 64 for a while.

    +Doesn’t steam have DRM already

    Ulrich, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
    @Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

    Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR, and I’d imagine there’s also a lot of overlap there.

    Naz,

    I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.

    I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.

    Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.

    That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?

    Ulrich,
    @Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

    How did you get it working? I’m getting like 40 FPS over here.

    Naz,

    You have to enable HDR in the Windows 10 settings, do Win+I, type “HD Color”, and then set your AMD display drivers to “Color Correction” in Display to adjust for the bad Win10 HDR implementation.

    My recommendation is:

    Temperature: 10000 Brightness: -10 Hue: 0 (default) Contrast: 120 Saturation: 165

    Then enable HDR in Dark Ages, followed by FSR and Frame Gen, if you want.

    HDR is the key.

    Ulrich,
    @Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

    Oh I don’t have Windows. But I’ll look into the HDR stuff, I usually leave it off.

    vxx,

    how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?

    One game has Denuvo, the other doesn’t.

    Naz,

    Oh holy shit.

    I think you’re actually right, it’s probably Denuvo tanking performance

    Mwa,

    Even amd users are suffering like Linux users Microsoft got no chill 💀

    Saleh, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.

    DeathsEmbrace,

    Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in there favourite location hospitals.

    jsomae,

    How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?

    DeathsEmbrace,

    Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft and there games because theyre supporting it but a lot of companies could have stakes in gaming companies and support the genocide its a team effort from NATO to support Israels genocide.

    jsomae,

    Well, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, as they say. Literally anything you buy, there could be a shareholder who is evil. But y’gotta vote with your wallet, and so it makes a bigger impact to boycott companies that are directly involved, rather than ambiguous or strenuous connections.

    gamermanh,

    Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft

    The thread is about a Microsoft product, so of course they’re going to discuss Microsoft specifically

    IndustryStandard,

    This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.

    ILikeBoobies, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Only pay money for open source because you can actually own it

    Atherel, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
    explodicle,
    @explodicle@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.

    Randelung,

    🥺 pwease money?

    rumba,
    kameecoding, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.

    xor,

    well cheaters sure do ruin online games…

    AdrianTheFrog,
    @AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s anticheat, not drm

    xor,

    i know

    tomalley8342,

    maybe delays cracked version by a few days

    Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.

    VeganCheesecake, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
    @VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having “no hardware activations” left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.

    It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.

    iamdefinitelyoverthirteen,

    What’s the game?

    Piemanding,

    Kenshi is the only 3D Rimworld like game I know and wouldn’t do anything like this.

    halowpeano,

    Probably Alien Dawn, it’s basically a 3D Rimworld clone

    VeganCheesecake,
    @VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Yup, Stranded: Alien Dawn.

    iamdefinitelyoverthirteen,

    Same here, but “3D Rimworld” piqued my interest.

    bitjunkie,

    +1 tell us the title

    VeganCheesecake,
    @VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    As someone guessed above - Stranded: Alien Dawn

    gradual,

    It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.

    Yes, let’s all accept this reality and stop being useful idiots.

    burgerpocalyse, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar

    Hawk,

    Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.

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