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td_sp, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

but the linux circlejerk swears game support is on par with windows!

CarbonatedPastaSauce,

It is, except for the ones that come with built in APTs.

vividspecter,

It’s because of testing the game on different versions of Proton, which is treated as a hardware change. The fault lies entirely with Denuvo, and with anti-consumer DRM in general.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Rule 1 of Lemmy: Worship Linux, or be subjected to poor treatment, unfortunately.

catsarebadpeople,
@catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works avatar

You seem like a sad and angry person

bassomitron,

I’m not a huge Linux stan, but it’s pretty damn close to it. I rarely run into compatibility issues, and when I do, there’s a very high chance a workaround exists. Hell, there’s even times when a game actually runs smoother on Linux.

In regards to the topic at hand, Denuvo’s activation limit fucks over Windows users, too. It just happens far more often due to the compatibility layer (e.g. proton, wine, etc) making it look like it’s a new computer trying to access the Denuvo servers for a game each time you change it when testing (e.g. proton v8, v9, experimental, etc). That being said, you don’t usually need to change the version that often. I usually only need to try 1-3 versions before finding one that works the best, and I think the Denuvo daily limit is like 4-5, but I could be wrong.

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

And the windows circlejerk says private, secure, performant OSes that also play most games are trash not worth trying. Hm.

bitjunkie,

It’s not a circlejerk to want to play a game I’ve paid for

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

Weirdly defensive about something that you yourself admitted that no one accused you of being

bitjunkie,

I’m saying calling it a circlejerk is unnecessarily derisive when the post I was responding to even calls out that Linux alternatives play most games. Most games is not all of my games. I’m not a Microsoft fanboy by any stretch, but if it’s the only way to play a game I want to play, that is what I’ll do.

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

I despise the term “circlejerk” and was only using it sarcastically. But in any case, I do grow tired of people shitting on linux. The reasons? I have explained a million times.

I mean, either deal with windows and its 1000 flaws or the same with linux. Some of us would just rather deal with flaws that are honest. I’d rather deal with a bug that 100 people around the globe work together to fix in a timely matter than deal with shit-ass “features” that actively ruin my experience because some disgusting executives want to buy more Porsches this summer. While pretending to care about me as a customer.

Cue “I just want to play games”. Well yeah me too sometimes. Now that I have an AMD card, I never have a problem with it. I spent a lot of time testing my games and 86% worked fine. This included a lot of sketchy/old games (Jedi Knight 1 and 2 for example – those barely can work on anything newer than win 98) that I didn’t expect to work actually… If we’re only talking new games, it’s probably like 95%. I don’t play games enough to care about an occasional poorly-written game not working.

bitjunkie,

To each his own. I wasn’t knocking Linux, just responding to what I interpreted as an insinuation that anyone has a shrine to Bill Gates in their closet just because they still haven’t made the jump.

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

I get that. I do think some people are pretty closed minded on the topic but you don’t seem to fit that bill. MS is not playing the long game though. Even my brother who has been against the idea of Linux forever is coming around. He’s installed it and playing around with it lately. He might just convert one day…

bitjunkie,

That’s aligned for the moment because I’m not playing the long game, either. I’d ditch Windows at a moment’s notice if not for a handful of “must-have” games that protondb says still require tweaking. I configure system crap all day at work; I categorically refuse to do any of that in my already sparse game time.

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

You’re trying to tell me windows “just works”?

Between updates taking time and breaking shit, drivers constantly demanding updates, auto start programs that slow your machine down and pop up prompts, new “features” in windows asking your time, literal ads in the OS, and I’m sure I could list more examples if I took time, windows hasn’t “just worked” for me in a long time. I was a daily power user of it from about 1997-2014. Which is why I hate it. On Linux, out of that list I experience an update breaking something once or twice a year, and sometimes having to copy paste some config vars on a game. Sometimes (like one in ten).

When I had an Nvidia card it was admittedly different. Not very stable because Nvidia chooses to be assholes. On an AMD card things are solid. Not much configuration when I do game

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

It is if anti-cheats & DRMs are not included in the package

secret300, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Refund and wait for a crack. Fuck Denuvo and fuck Bethesda for using them

CommanderCloon,

It’s not really Bethesda anymore though is it? Either ID software or Microsoft, no?

secret300,

I completely forgot Microsoft bought Bethesda lol explains a lot

newthrowaway20, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Well cool, now I know not to pick up the game yet.

Kraiden, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
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  • endeavor,

    Why? Cause irs new game marketed? Theres shit ton of games to play that are better. Even of the same genre. And you could pick up like 10 of them for the price of dark ages. And play them until dark ages is cheap.

    Kraiden,
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  • endeavor,

    Im saying theres tons of non aaa games out there that you can play while you wait for doom the dark ages to be reviewed, fixed and come down in price.

    MITM0,
    @MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

    Play Selaco my friend

    Kraiden,
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  • MITM0,
    @MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah but if you want an alternative to Doom: TDA, This is a great choice

    tacosanonymous, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
    @tacosanonymous@lemm.ee avatar

    Looks like sailing is back on the menu, boys!

    ElectroLisa,
    @ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    It’s not, newest Doom has Denuvo

    tacosanonymous,
    @tacosanonymous@lemm.ee avatar

    We’ll get it, comrade.

    RightHandOfIkaros,

    Sailing is back on the menu once Empress decides, I guess? Is Empress still the only one cracking Denuvo, or has the Denuvo Cracking scene changed much in the last 5-10 years? I don’t really keep up with it much.

    bassomitron,

    Empress is barely active anymore, if at all. Look at the last few dozen DRM-enabled games released in the last few years and I don’t think a single one was cracked. There was Dragon’s Dogma 2, but it turned out that was just a leaked pre-launch dev build and its performance was awful (because the game has shit performance that was even worse at launch than it is now).

    MITM0,
    @MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

    Why pirate when you can look for alternatives

    missingno, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
    @missingno@fedia.io avatar

    This is why native support still matters. Anything not supported can pull the rug out from under you at any time.

    ImplyingImplications,

    Except for when glibc updates and breaks games with native support (but not the ones running through a compatibility layer). Although that definitely happens way less than devs purposefully pushing changes that break on Linux.

    zurohki,
    Damage,

    Yeah, games through Proton are a bit like containerized apps, you get everything you need to run them in the Proton package.

    deadcream,

    Linux has never been good at running old binaries. It’s always assumed that you are running software compiled for the current version if your distribution, and programs that are not available can be compiled from source (because you obviously use only open source software). For everything else you need to use compatibility layers that provide necessary environment.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not following your argument. You’re perfectly capable of having the rug pulled out from under you with a native Linux build too.

    yesman, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.

    Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy

    thermal_shock,

    Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.

    CybranM,

    Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably

    newthrowaway20,

    If only buying games actually supported devs anymore. Devs seem to get fired for any reason nowadays.

    Bad game? Fired. Good game? Also fired. Popular game that people loved? Believe it or not, also fired. Develop a game only for the company to change direction and the game gets cancelled? Absolutely fired.

    You’d think these publishers would value talent as much as their intellectual property but they seem to not care anymore for either.

    pycorax,

    Plenty of singleplayer games are from indies, those more or less support the developer.

    Agrivar,

    Any indie devs out there using Denuvo?

    Luffy879,

    Just saying, indie devs just dont have the money and time to use denuvo

    Sebastrion,

    I’m sure most pirates don’t sit here and want a crack for a 10-20€ Indie Game. But a 80€ Game (sometimes even with additional microtransaktions like skins etc.) Yeah I see that.

    GriffinClaw,

    ^ This is me.

    Buddahriffic,

    And you don’t need to wait for indie games, though you might need to be patient about early access quality. But, as long as the dev(s) stick with it, even that can be satisfying to see the game improve from a janky boilerplate mess to wherever it is really headed.

    CybranM,

    I get where you’re coming from and I agree the job security for Devs and the financing of games is fucked. It’s still disingenuous to claim that pirating the game has the same impact as buying.

    thermal_shock,

    I’m not either, I get them on sale later, just pointing out why would they screw over a paying customer with DRM bullshit.

    MummysLittleBloodSlut,

    Only the devs who don’t use Denuvo

    shiroininja,

    Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.

    thermal_shock,

    What VPN and where are you located?

    Couple things you can do, try changing your router DNS to quad9 or open DNS, make sure you’re not using Comcast default DNS servers.

    Try a new VPN provider, I’ve been using Torguard for almost a decade, zero issues, there are discount codes where you can get it for $29/year.

    I have a dedicated desktop for seeding, I upload about 1TB per day on soulseek/nicotine+ and torrents.

    youtu.be/xAo61IaXun8

    shiroininja,

    Thank you, you’re a god among men. I use a pihole for DNS, but I will give Torguard a try because I’ve been thinking of getting rid of private internet access since they went all corporate.

    thermal_shock, (edited )

    Pihole is fine, just make sure it’s not using the Comcast DNS settings. I have a pihole instance also that I use to block ads.

    TheFeatureCreature,
    @TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca avatar

    Buying a game post-launch:

    • Better prices; often on sale.
    • Fixed and patched up.
    • Extra content often included.
    • DRM often removed.

    No brainer, imo.

    Agrivar,

    You forgot a bonus point:

    • Hardware requirements are now easier/cheaper to meet/exceed.
    endeavor,

    Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!

    nailbar,

    Runs out of copies? Is that a thing?

    Damage,

    It’s ironic

    Viking_Hippie,

    Like rain on your wedding day?

    caseyweederman,

    Like something about cutlery

    6nk06,

    Like eating mom’s spaghetti with a spork.

    brbposting,

    Whoever came up with that deserves credit. Entirely lovely and harmless “superstition” as far as I can tell. No one is hoping for rain so they won’t be disappointed, but everyone has that line (“lucky it’s raining on your wedding day“ or whatever) ready just in case.

    I wonder if there are other white lie kinda pro-social quips like that

    Ulrich,
    @Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

    It’s a free ride, but you already paid?

    endeavor,

    not for digital games.

    bitjunkie,

    Cons:

    • maybe multiplayer isn’t very populated if you wait too long
    • ???
    sp3ctr4l,

    Remember when games used to, at least sometimes… do actual internal beta testing to iron out performance bugs and such?

    Now we are all alpha and beta testers, all the time.

    Sometimes even AAA and ‘AAAA’ games release, and then unrelease before the alpha or beta is even done!

    Yeah, patient gaming for me, haven’t preordered or gone into an early access game in almost a decade now…

    Sabin10,

    They also typically go on really good sales right around the time denuvo gets removed.

    warm, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    You get what you pay for.
    You buy denuvo, you get denuvo.

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    Dnb, do games w Hacker Broke into ‘Path of Exile 2’ Admin Account, Hijacked Wave of Characters

    It was social engineering.

    They compromised a Steam account via steam support to test its password and because it a linked they gained access and modified about 60 accounts.

    kn33, do games w Hacker Broke into ‘Path of Exile 2’ Admin Account, Hijacked Wave of Characters

    It’d be worse if the crypto bros got their way and all that shit was stored on a blockchain where it’s 1000x harder to undo

    PushButton,

    In the case of GGG, it’s the same picture… They do Jack shit in those circumstances…

    Bug, exploit, hack, dup… Fuck all buddy. PoE is a game of chance, a slot machine in disguise…

    So… Better luck next time I guess.

    Vipsu, do games w Hacker Broke into ‘Path of Exile 2’ Admin Account, Hijacked Wave of Characters
    @Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

    Hopefully GGG will make premium version of the original POE that allows offline play, LAN/P2P or even self hosting.

    Would be nice for game preservation when the original runs out of steam.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Sure would, but I’m going to set my hopes very low for that one. The best way to make this happen would be to only buy and play their competitors that are more future proofed.

    Vipsu,
    @Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

    Personally I’ve only ever played POE solo and I think the game holds very well against many premium ARPG titles. When the game reaches its EOL as live service it would be very wastefull for GGG to just drop the game instead of turning it in to a paid standalone title that people can buy and play for as long as they want.

    PushButton,

    The game is balanced to be played with trading… Oh excuse me, they said: “we don’t balance the game for FFS” instead, but you get the point.

    It’s surely possible, like beating elder ring with a saxophone… Buuuttt, it totally sucks.

    ghostsinthephotograph,

    I finally ditched the early access to play Elden Ring for the first time haha. Realized around the Act III ending that it may not be for me due to the reliance on trading. Feels like I can’t earn my gear or get excited from the drops. To each their own, though.

    Vipsu,
    @Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

    Solo Self-Found (SSF) is a thing in Path of exile and usually creating a standalone version like this requires some modifications to the game anyways for it to even run. For example developers behind Warhammer 40000: Inquisitor patched their game so that it can be played offline and even allows players to access old seasonal content (allows picking season when creating new character).

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    absolutna wolność słowa lewakuuuuuu!!!11111111

    bluszcz, do wolnyinternet w Musk blokuje przejęcie przez the Onion kont Infowars na extwitterze
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    @harcesz fajnie obserwować jak Musk rucha swoich userów

    harcesz,
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    Obawiam się, że przy okazji też masę innych, zupełnie niewinnych ludzi typu rodziny ofiar Sandyhooks.

    haui_lemmy, do gaming w Microsoft QA Contractors Say They Were Laid Off for Attempting to Unionize

    Fuck microsoft

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