Jup, I just never buy games with Denuvo these days.
Under Windows, the 5 machine activations per 24 hours limit they impose wasn’t something I ever hit, but under Linux it’s kind of easy because, as the article states, switching Proton versions counts as a machine activation to Denuvo.
Ah, Microsoft. Just when I thought you understood how to properly release a game with South of Midnight and TES: Oblivion Remastered: Steam Deck verified, no Denuvo or other intrusive DRM (doesn’t mean the games are DRM free), available on multiple storefronts. Along comes Doom and they just couldn’t resist Denuvo. Idiots.
Under Windows, the 5 machine activations per 24 hours limit they impose wasn’t something I ever hit, but under Linux it’s kind of easy because, as the article states, switching Proton versions counts as a machine activation to Denuvo.
That limit isn’t mandatory with Denuvo and Doom apparently doesn’t have it. On Steam some games mention a limit on the store page, like Atomfall, Atomic Heart or a few Assassin’s Creed games.
The Dark Ages EULA does mention something like Denuvo “may” limit installations, but then never says anything else.
Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, most of Id’s games had official native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.
This is what happens when bean counters make the decisions. Linux is only 4% of market share so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
What’s so fucking annoying about these DRM issues is that basically all of the AntiCheat and DRM we have WORK ON LINUX IF YOU ENABLE ONE FUCKING SETTING
Easy AntiCheat for example is quite literally a checkbox at some point of compiling or whatever, I’ve seen someone do it!
It never is just a checkbox though. You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros. For a fraction of users. If Linux crowd wants to be taken seriously, they should settle on a single distro for everything.
It wouldn’t astonish me if this were a semi-deliberate act by microsoft. While they’re trying very hard to expand to every platform, non-windows pcs seem to be the exception. Linux and OSX have the game gamepass support as your phone.
Yep, this is an old problem with Denuvo, new proton version looks like a new system. I guess if the containerization is perfect, Denuvo won’t be able to solve this and retain the same functionality.
Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing Id Bethesda Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM and didn’t learn from EAs blunder. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.
One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.
With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
Not sure why they’re getting downvoted for speaking facts. Nobody is cracking Denuvo anymore. To my understanding, the way Denuvo is installed in a game is similar to how a wad of gum gets in your hair: it’s stuck in various different spots, and takes a lot of work to get out completely. Basically, hackers have little incentive to devote weeks to pry it out of a game, so they’ve pretty much stopped. The only good thing about Denuvo, as far as the piracy scene is concerned, is that devs have to pay yearly for a license, which means inevitably, they will stop, and remove it from the game. But who knows when that will be.
Huh? That’s the very definition of incentive for a “hacker” (“cracker” should be the term). There’s also nothing really new about having protection checks in many places, usually using illegal opcodes or self-modifying code. At least on a 6502. Processors have changed, so have the tools to go with it.
Just don’t run their shitty silicon burners on your system and get some good stuff.
Support teams that are willing to make builds for the latest Arch release (and tell me too if you find any :P).
I have narrowed down my “to pay” list to GoG + Linux games, only problem being, since they are not open source, we still depend upon them rebuilding the binaries for the latest systems. Otherwise, we need to then keep an older version of Ubuntu for it. Really wish GoG pushed Debian as a standard for those cases (for old games which the dev might not rebuild), because Ubuntu ages worse than Debian, when out of LTS.
Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.
Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.
Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy
Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably
If only buying games actually supported devs anymore. Devs seem to get fired for any reason nowadays.
Bad game? Fired. Good game? Also fired. Popular game that people loved? Believe it or not, also fired. Develop a game only for the company to change direction and the game gets cancelled? Absolutely fired.
You’d think these publishers would value talent as much as their intellectual property but they seem to not care anymore for either.
I’m sure most pirates don’t sit here and want a crack for a 10-20€ Indie Game. But a 80€ Game (sometimes even with additional microtransaktions like skins etc.) Yeah I see that.
And you don’t need to wait for indie games, though you might need to be patient about early access quality. But, as long as the dev(s) stick with it, even that can be satisfying to see the game improve from a janky boilerplate mess to wherever it is really headed.
I get where you’re coming from and I agree the job security for Devs and the financing of games is fucked. It’s still disingenuous to claim that pirating the game has the same impact as buying.
Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.
Thank you, you’re a god among men. I use a pihole for DNS, but I will give Torguard a try because I’ve been thinking of getting rid of private internet access since they went all corporate.
Whoever came up with that deserves credit. Entirely lovely and harmless “superstition” as far as I can tell. No one is hoping for rain so they won’t be disappointed, but everyone has that line (“lucky it’s raining on your wedding day“ or whatever) ready just in case.
I wonder if there are other white lie kinda pro-social quips like that
Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR, and I’d imagine there’s also a lot of overlap there.
I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.
I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.
Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.
That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
You have to enable HDR in the Windows 10 settings, do Win+I, type “HD Color”, and then set your AMD display drivers to “Color Correction” in Display to adjust for the bad Win10 HDR implementation.
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