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grrgyle, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Urge to pirate, rising…

YiddishMcSquidish,

Necessity*

Showroom7561,

I’ve downloaded software that I had paid for, simply because of the bullshit involved with DRM, licence unlocking, etc.

If the user experience of a paid software or service is inferior to a pirated version, then the developers are doing something wrong.

grrgyle,

Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).

Showroom7561,

While the CD checks are absolutely annoying, nothing, and I mean nothing, was more inconvenient than having to go to a certain page and a certain line and a certain word in the manual to unlock a program you paid for. Fucking infuriating.

grrgyle,

Shuddderr. I remember the first time I saw a game do that, I thought oh what a fun little game I guess it’s to get me to use the manual… like some kind of ARG, but when I realized the real purpose all the joy was sucked out of it.

Goronmon,

Or you could always just not play the game? Is that not an option?

grrgyle,

But I’m already doing that. I want to do my part to dissuade bad software practices.

Who am I kidding I’m just going to keep working through the Cacowards forever.

Etterra, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Why though?

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Read the article?

MystValkyrie, (edited ) do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.

VagueAnodyneComments,

Orcs & Elves dude, sick, i never heard of this one 👍

User79185, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Meanwhile, DRM-free Doom (2016) is here, it also runs quite good >>> www.gog.com/en/game/doom_2016

pyre,

with good music too

cupcakezealot, do gaming w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game [404 Media]
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

why is there drm and anti cheating on a single player game

ElectroLisa,
@ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

DRM - Copy protection Anti-cheat - Data harvesting, albeit Doom doesn’t have one

MITM0, (edited ) do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Selaco is much better than this. It’s basically F.E.A.R+Classic doom

It runs on linux & utilizes the GZDoom engine & for some reason attacked by the anti-woke mob

gradual,

Just torrent your games.

Stop rewarding companies for taking advantage of you.

ulterno,

Just don’t run their shitty silicon burners on your system and get some good stuff.
Support teams that are willing to make builds for the latest Arch release (and tell me too if you find any :P).

I have narrowed down my “to pay” list to GoG + Linux games, only problem being, since they are not open source, we still depend upon them rebuilding the binaries for the latest systems. Otherwise, we need to then keep an older version of Ubuntu for it. Really wish GoG pushed Debian as a standard for those cases (for old games which the dev might not rebuild), because Ubuntu ages worse than Debian, when out of LTS.

13igTyme,

I completely forgot about that game. I played an early demo and thought it was pretty good.

narc0tic_bird, do gaming w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game [404 Media]

Jup, I just never buy games with Denuvo these days.

Under Windows, the 5 machine activations per 24 hours limit they impose wasn’t something I ever hit, but under Linux it’s kind of easy because, as the article states, switching Proton versions counts as a machine activation to Denuvo.

Ah, Microsoft. Just when I thought you understood how to properly release a game with South of Midnight and TES: Oblivion Remastered: Steam Deck verified, no Denuvo or other intrusive DRM (doesn’t mean the games are DRM free), available on multiple storefronts. Along comes Doom and they just couldn’t resist Denuvo. Idiots.

Lembot_0002,

Along comes Doom and they just couldn’t resist Denuvo.

The important question is whether we, players, could resist Denuvo. Most of us fail in even more obvious shit-showeling.

domi,
@domi@lemmy.secnd.me avatar

Doom 2016 launched with a 44k player peak on Steam, Doom Eternal with a 100k peak and Doom: The Dark Ages only got a 30k peak.

Either most people play on Game Pass, think the game is too expensive, don’t have raytracing compatible hardware or don’t like Denuvo.

Whatever it is, the game doesn’t seem to be doing so great.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Eternal had Denuvo, but it was removed a year ago, so it probably doesn’t have to do anything with the lower numbers on Steam.

My guess is mainly price and RT.

stephen01king,

Or people didn’t care about Denuvo back then, but they are more wary about buying games with Denuvo now.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Dragons Dogma 2 has Denuvo and a 230k peak. Wukong has Denuvo and 2.4 million peak. FIFA 25, Denuvo, 110k peak (all three just from Steam).

“Normal people” don’t care about DRM.

stephen01king,

Yeah, maybe you’re right.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Under Windows, the 5 machine activations per 24 hours limit they impose wasn’t something I ever hit, but under Linux it’s kind of easy because, as the article states, switching Proton versions counts as a machine activation to Denuvo.

That limit isn’t mandatory with Denuvo and Doom apparently doesn’t have it. On Steam some games mention a limit on the store page, like Atomfall, Atomic Heart or a few Assassin’s Creed games.

The Dark Ages EULA does mention something like Denuvo “may” limit installations, but then never says anything else.

Lembot_0002, do gaming w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game [404 Media]

Universal release rule: the program is considered released only after it is DRM-free.

andybytes, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.

agelord,

I can’t own it, I’m pirating it.

Glamborghini,

If I can’t own, I pwn.

ulterno,

If even not that, perhaps you can look into [wning

atrielienz, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Was this before or after this: lemmy.world/post/29593011

Because I’m curious why Valve would have gone to so much trouble to make the game run on Linux just to ruin that.

Hubi,
@Hubi@feddit.org avatar

Well the game runs well if you just launch it with only one Proton configuration and keep playing on that. The issue is changing the Proton version is recognized as multiple installations by the DRM and it locks you out after a couple of tries.

atrielienz,

This is what I didn’t understand. Thank you for explaining.

umbrella, (edited ) do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
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  • Arcane2077,

    it won’t be cracked, you have to hope the devs leak the drm-free version

    gradual,

    it won’t be cracked

    How do you know?

    Kinokoloko,

    Not sure why they’re getting downvoted for speaking facts. Nobody is cracking Denuvo anymore. To my understanding, the way Denuvo is installed in a game is similar to how a wad of gum gets in your hair: it’s stuck in various different spots, and takes a lot of work to get out completely. Basically, hackers have little incentive to devote weeks to pry it out of a game, so they’ve pretty much stopped. The only good thing about Denuvo, as far as the piracy scene is concerned, is that devs have to pay yearly for a license, which means inevitably, they will stop, and remove it from the game. But who knows when that will be.

    HugeNerd,

    Huh? That’s the very definition of incentive for a “hacker” (“cracker” should be the term). There’s also nothing really new about having protection checks in many places, usually using illegal opcodes or self-modifying code. At least on a 6502. Processors have changed, so have the tools to go with it.

    Treczoks, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Not that I would have bought it - not my type of game - but this game gets on my blacklist.

    IEatDaGoat, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Eh 70 dollars for 10 hours of repetitive gameplay is bad value anyway.

    biscuitswalrus,

    Don’t tell competitive gamers that. LOL, CS, Overwatch, COD whatever is about a simple game loop for those who enjoy that loop.

    Bartsbigbugbag,

    No way, it’s only 10 hours? Eternal was longer than that, and so was 2016!

    IEatDaGoat, (edited )

    I finished DOOM (2016) in 8.8 hours. Granted I didn’t stop for collectables and was on normal mode. I tried Eternal but got bored after 2 hours so that’s what I’m basing it off.

    My steam friends currently have about 17 hours (they bought it early) but they like collecting stuff and getting 100% achievements. I’m not sure how long the story is without 100%ing it but it shouldn’t be too different from the other games.

    Aux,

    Why do you even play games if you rush them? It’s like the guy a few years ago asking on Reddit if he should go past no return in Cyberpunk 2077 at level 18. The fuck, mate? You missed the whole game!

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    A bunch of people are like that, too.

    It’s like buying some expensive bottle of wine, thwn chugging half. And throwing the rest away.

    IEatDaGoat, (edited )

    Who said I was rushing? Gathering the collectables is a chore so I just progressed through the story and finished it.

    Edit: Also my friend 100% the new Doom game on the highest difficulty in 21 hours. Doom games are short in general.

    Blackmist,

    I did all the fixer missions in Cyberpunk and honestly wish I hadn’t bothered.

    It destroyed the pacing completely, and did nothing but waste my time. Like sure, they’re not automatically generated or anything, but they don’t add anything to the game experience.

    The same goes for pretty much every open world game that isn’t designed around actual exploration. If your map is a sea of icons, your open world game isn’t that.

    Blackmist,

    Do you also rate books by the number of pages?

    This attitude here is what has fucked up gaming more than any greedy publisher ever did.

    vxx,

    If a book costs 80€ for a ten hour read, it’s a complete ripoff that nobody would buy.

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    Unless it was a new Harry Potter apparently.

    vxx,

    You still had the choice between a cheaper pocket book and the bound version.

    ulterno,

    But what if the book were titled, “Here’s how I became a millionaire” or “steps to become a millionaire” or stuff like that

    vxx,

    Those are still a ripoff at 1€

    ulterno,

    Well, it would really just be a 2 - 10 second read, depending upon how fast you read, so…

    On the other hand, do you consider time taken imagining the story, as part of the reading time, because I know a book that would have a months long reading time in that case.

    faythofdragons, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.

    mo_lave, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.

    Newsteinleo,

    Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing Id Bethesda Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM and didn’t learn from EAs blunder. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.

    mo_lave,

    There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM

    Newsteinleo,

    One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.

    https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/drm

    mo_lave,

    GoG has DRM-free games: www.gog.com/en/about_gog

    13igTyme,

    Gog also doesn’t have nearly as many games.

    mo_lave,

    Yes, and I don’t know what you are trying to say.

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh no?

    ulterno,

    Shows how much, most companied wont want to give you DRM free stuff.

    Who knows, maybe they are gaining side-revenue, selling your memory scans.

    andros_rex,

    With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)

    Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.

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