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vortexal, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
@vortexal@sopuli.xyz avatar

Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, most of Id’s games had official native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.

Newsteinleo,

This is what happens when bean counters make the decisions. Linux is only 4% of market share so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.

gamermanh,

so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.

What’s so fucking annoying about these DRM issues is that basically all of the AntiCheat and DRM we have WORK ON LINUX IF YOU ENABLE ONE FUCKING SETTING

Easy AntiCheat for example is quite literally a checkbox at some point of compiling or whatever, I’ve seen someone do it!

Newsteinleo,

Shows you how little they value Linux games

Aux,

It never is just a checkbox though. You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros. For a fraction of users. If Linux crowd wants to be taken seriously, they should settle on a single distro for everything.

gamermanh,

You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros

Lol

BreakerSwitch,

It wouldn’t astonish me if this were a semi-deliberate act by microsoft. While they’re trying very hard to expand to every platform, non-windows pcs seem to be the exception. Linux and OSX have the game gamepass support as your phone.

Mwa, (edited ) do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

am gonna stick to Classic Doom(including doom 64) ,thanks.

even tho i didnt play doom 64 for a while.

+Doesn’t steam have DRM already

Ulrich, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR, and I’d imagine there’s also a lot of overlap there.

Naz,

I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.

I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.

Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.

That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

How did you get it working? I’m getting like 40 FPS over here.

Naz,

You have to enable HDR in the Windows 10 settings, do Win+I, type “HD Color”, and then set your AMD display drivers to “Color Correction” in Display to adjust for the bad Win10 HDR implementation.

My recommendation is:

Temperature: 10000 Brightness: -10 Hue: 0 (default) Contrast: 120 Saturation: 165

Then enable HDR in Dark Ages, followed by FSR and Frame Gen, if you want.

HDR is the key.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Oh I don’t have Windows. But I’ll look into the HDR stuff, I usually leave it off.

vxx,

how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?

One game has Denuvo, the other doesn’t.

Naz,

Oh holy shit.

I think you’re actually right, it’s probably Denuvo tanking performance

Mwa,

Even amd users are suffering like Linux users Microsoft got no chill 💀

Saleh, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.

DeathsEmbrace,

Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in there favourite location hospitals.

jsomae,

How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?

DeathsEmbrace,

Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft and there games because theyre supporting it but a lot of companies could have stakes in gaming companies and support the genocide its a team effort from NATO to support Israels genocide.

jsomae,

Well, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, as they say. Literally anything you buy, there could be a shareholder who is evil. But y’gotta vote with your wallet, and so it makes a bigger impact to boycott companies that are directly involved, rather than ambiguous or strenuous connections.

gamermanh,

Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft

The thread is about a Microsoft product, so of course they’re going to discuss Microsoft specifically

IndustryStandard,

This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.

ILikeBoobies, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Only pay money for open source because you can actually own it

Atherel, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
explodicle,
@explodicle@sh.itjust.works avatar

I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.

Randelung,

🥺 pwease money?

rumba,
kameecoding, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.

xor,

well cheaters sure do ruin online games…

AdrianTheFrog,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

That’s anticheat, not drm

xor,

i know

tomalley8342,

maybe delays cracked version by a few days

Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.

VeganCheesecake, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having “no hardware activations” left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.

It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.

iamdefinitelyoverthirteen,

What’s the game?

Piemanding,

Kenshi is the only 3D Rimworld like game I know and wouldn’t do anything like this.

halowpeano,

Probably Alien Dawn, it’s basically a 3D Rimworld clone

VeganCheesecake,

Yup, Stranded: Alien Dawn.

iamdefinitelyoverthirteen,

Same here, but “3D Rimworld” piqued my interest.

bitjunkie,

+1 tell us the title

VeganCheesecake,

As someone guessed above - Stranded: Alien Dawn

gradual,

It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.

Yes, let’s all accept this reality and stop being useful idiots.

burgerpocalyse, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar

Hawk,

Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.

MummysLittleBloodSlut, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that’s piracy and locks the user out of the game

prole,

Seems like it should be an easy patch, right? Assuming they have any desire to (I think it “runs” on Steam Deck, so that might be enough incentive)

gamermanh,

Actually, I think that might be harder than you’d imagine, at least as things work right now

Valve would probably need something in the Proton API to help ensure programs don’t think each version is a different PC as that is kinda the point of how Wine/Proton work (by creating a fake virtual PC and running things through that), or change how prefixes are handled so that all proton versions default to the same prefix (which would have other issues im sure)

None of which would be a problem if they just exported the game from their software into a native Linux format, of course. Doom runs on Unreal, yeah? Should take 0 effort to make a native Linux version of the game, but they won’t

tomalley8342,

Denuvo’s whole schtick is that your unique system environment gets used as a part of the “unlocking key” of sorts, so it would definitely not be simple. For example windows users face the same issue with denuvo whenever windows updates, although obviously that doesn’t happen often enough to be an actual issue.

alehel, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

I never buy/install games with Denuvo. Guess it will be a while before I’m playing this.

explodicle,
@explodicle@sh.itjust.works avatar

Thanks to this news, there will be a version without Denuvo quite quickly. 🏴‍☠️

zecg, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
@zecg@lemmy.world avatar

While it has Denuvo it can get fucked, they’ll remove it in a few years, I’m a very patient gamer with a family group that has 1.5k games in library.

CaptPretentious,

Same, I’m happy to wait for Denuvo to be removed, for the game patches to come out, and Nvidia to fucking fix their god damn drivers. Plus side, I’ll pay a reasonable price for the game when I buy it.

vga, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

I’m more and more convinced that Doom 2016 was the peak. Eternal had that one song that kicked ass but that was mostly it.

Kichae,

Doom 2 was the peak. 2016 was a strong reimagining of Doom 3, but it was already trying to be something Doom wasn’t.

explodicle,
@explodicle@sh.itjust.works avatar

I disagree. Doom 3 was trying to be constant darkness and horror. Never forget the lack of duct tape. Doom 2016 was a strong sequel to 2 with its wide open spaces and fast-paced action.

I don’t want to feel like I’m being hunted by scary monsters. I want to be the monster.

flop_leash_973, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

Yet more evidence that the smartest thing you can do if the game comes from a AAA studio is hold off on buying it for 6-12 months.

BlameTheAntifa,

If the game comes with Denuvo, never, ever buy it.

buddascrayon,

I think the point is that they often eventually remove Denuvo and it becomes a moot point.

mic_check_one_two,

Yeah, they pay fees to keep Denuvo in the game. So they only usually use it for the first 6-12 months, (long enough to capture the initial surge of launch sales), and then remove it to stop paying the fees.

BlameTheAntifa,

My point is that companies that use it are anti-consumer scum and should be actively boycotted.

Companies like Sega and Ubisoft never remove it, and in the case of Ghostwire Tokyo, Bethesda added it nearly a year after release, pulling a bait-and-switch on PC gamers that would never have it bought it otherwise.

These companies demonstrate that will steal your purchase from you whenever they feel like it. They do not deserve anyone’s money, not even 6-12 months later at 90% off.

If a company uses Denuvo, don’t give them money. Because that’s what you’re doing. You aren’t buying anything, you are just giving them money.

barnaclebutt, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

That probably explains all of the crashes reported by windows users too. ID Software what happened? You were supposed to be the chosen one.

Turturtley,

Owned by zenimax, owned by microsoft. Same owners of activision blizzard. Shafted Mick Gordon. So this is kinda 100% as expected.

endeavor,

You must really fucking hate composers or not play games if you think ID is a contender for the best game studio.

explodicle,
@explodicle@sh.itjust.works avatar

It used to be. 😭

Duamerthrax,

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