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savvywolf, do gaming w A Small Steam Game Shows How LLMs Could Kill the Dialogue Tree (re: Verbal Verdict demo)
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I’ve played Ace Attorney and the writers put a lot of love and personality into the characters. I’d be sceptical if an AI could get close enough to any kind of writing style to “kill” writing in games like that.

Honestly getting fed up of AI doing a mediocre job of creating art and then people claiming it kills whole industries because it’s the “in” technology.

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  • spriteblood,

    The amount of time to build something like this seems like it would offset the amount of effort it would take just to write good character dialogue. AI tools are basically word calculators, which means you have to provide data for the LLM, which means time to produce this data, time to build guardrails, etc. Even in this implementation, they say they had to build guardrails so that they don't say anything "harmful."

    There are also a number of lawsuits going on that will set a precedent for how training data can be utilized in commercial products. While I expect them to take the side of large corporations with vast resources at the expense of ethics, there's the possibility that they will do the right thing. This will affect how AI tools wil be used in such contexts.

    SoupBrick,

    It will kill industries temporarily, until the corpos realize their success came from the artists.

    AceFuzzLord,

    I know the situation is different for everyone diagnosed with autism, but I like to compare AI writing as being something similar to someone with autism writing (as someone with autism). It can look kinda emotionless and robotic at times but other times it looks passable as something slightly less robotic.

    AlmightyTritan, do gaming w A Small Steam Game Shows How LLMs Could Kill the Dialogue Tree (re: Verbal Verdict demo)

    I don’t think we’ll see this any time soon, because corpos probably won’t listen to any creative that presents this, but I want something where the LLM runs locally and is just used to interpret what you are asking for but the dialogue responses are all still written by a writer. Then you can make the user interaction feel more intuitive, but the design of the story and mechanics can just respond to the implied tone, questions, prompts, keywords from the user.

    Then you could have a dialogue tree that responds with a nice well constructed narrative, but a user who asked something casually vs accusatory might end up with slightly different information.

    Fauxreigner,

    Unless you’re willing to put in some kind of response that basically says “I’m not going to respond to that” (and that’s a sure way to break immersion) this is effectively impossible to do well, because the writer has to anticipate every possible thing a player could say and craft a response to it. If you don’t, you’ll end up finding a “nearest fit” that is not at all what the player was trying to say, and the reaction is going to be nonsensical from the player’s perspective

    LA Noire is a great example of this, although from the side of the player character: the dialogue was written with the “Doubt” option as “Press” (as in, put pressure on the other party). As a result, a suspect can say something, the player selects “Doubt”, and Phelps goes nuts making wild accusations instead of pointing out an inconsistency.

    Except worse, because in this case, the player says something like “Why didn’t you say something to your boss about feeling sick?” and the game interpreted it as “Accuse them of trying to sabotage the business.”

    memfree,

    Ooooh, I’d like that! Well, there’s 3 parts to the (random user input / scripted game output) conundrum:

    1. I think it is fair that if you ask, ‘Why didn’t you say something?’ the NPC might either respond as if it is being accused of sabotage, answer the damn question, lie, or prefer not to talk about it (it’s personal).
    2. I’d keep a short list of standard options – probably in a collapsed scroller kinda thing so you could either verbally say or type whatever you want, OR you could click an arrow to pick from a list. That way lazy or stuck players wou;dn’t have to think of all the options, and players interested in roleplaying could do as they please.
    3. I’m OK with, “I’m not going to respond to that”. I’d hope each character had several variations of that, but I think it is legitimate for NPCs to dislike being pestered. Shopkeepers might have replies like, “Are you gonna buy something or are you just here to bend my ear?” or “I don’t see how that relates to my inventory.” Random townies might reply, “Do I even know you?” or “Would you PLEASE stop bothering me.” or “You’re harshing my mellow, man. Shhhh… Just chill.”
    webghost0101, do gaming w A Small Steam Game Shows How LLMs Could Kill the Dialogue Tree (re: Verbal Verdict demo)

    I wonder if were gonna start seeing modular specialized game drivers to save space and work.

    We already have shared libraries for gamepad controlles and such. Why not one that handles a large language model , one for raytraced light. Maybe even an image generator for patterns in creative building games.

    These would need to be standardized and able to be further molded, processed , restricted by the actual games.

    Obvious the Triple Ass studios will want you to pay for online services but I legitimately believe there is a future for open source gaming and this could potentially save allot of hair pulling for some nonprofit indie devs.

    dan1101, do gaming w A Small Steam Game Shows How LLMs Could Kill the Dialogue Tree (re: Verbal Verdict demo)

    I think realtime LLM in games will happen, and I like this approach of having it run locally. Not sure why you got the port warning though.

    haui_lemmy, do gaming w Microsoft QA Contractors Say They Were Laid Off for Attempting to Unionize

    Fuck microsoft

    velox_vulnus, do gaming w Microsoft QA Contractors Say They Were Laid Off for Attempting to Unionize
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    On the bright side, Microsoft loses money trying to find new employees.

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