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savvywolf, do gaming w A Small Steam Game Shows How LLMs Could Kill the Dialogue Tree (re: Verbal Verdict demo)
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I’ve played Ace Attorney and the writers put a lot of love and personality into the characters. I’d be sceptical if an AI could get close enough to any kind of writing style to “kill” writing in games like that.

Honestly getting fed up of AI doing a mediocre job of creating art and then people claiming it kills whole industries because it’s the “in” technology.

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  • spriteblood,

    The amount of time to build something like this seems like it would offset the amount of effort it would take just to write good character dialogue. AI tools are basically word calculators, which means you have to provide data for the LLM, which means time to produce this data, time to build guardrails, etc. Even in this implementation, they say they had to build guardrails so that they don't say anything "harmful."

    There are also a number of lawsuits going on that will set a precedent for how training data can be utilized in commercial products. While I expect them to take the side of large corporations with vast resources at the expense of ethics, there's the possibility that they will do the right thing. This will affect how AI tools wil be used in such contexts.

    SoupBrick,

    It will kill industries temporarily, until the corpos realize their success came from the artists.

    AceFuzzLord,

    I know the situation is different for everyone diagnosed with autism, but I like to compare AI writing as being something similar to someone with autism writing (as someone with autism). It can look kinda emotionless and robotic at times but other times it looks passable as something slightly less robotic.

    AlmightyTritan, do gaming w A Small Steam Game Shows How LLMs Could Kill the Dialogue Tree (re: Verbal Verdict demo)

    I don’t think we’ll see this any time soon, because corpos probably won’t listen to any creative that presents this, but I want something where the LLM runs locally and is just used to interpret what you are asking for but the dialogue responses are all still written by a writer. Then you can make the user interaction feel more intuitive, but the design of the story and mechanics can just respond to the implied tone, questions, prompts, keywords from the user.

    Then you could have a dialogue tree that responds with a nice well constructed narrative, but a user who asked something casually vs accusatory might end up with slightly different information.

    Fauxreigner,

    Unless you’re willing to put in some kind of response that basically says “I’m not going to respond to that” (and that’s a sure way to break immersion) this is effectively impossible to do well, because the writer has to anticipate every possible thing a player could say and craft a response to it. If you don’t, you’ll end up finding a “nearest fit” that is not at all what the player was trying to say, and the reaction is going to be nonsensical from the player’s perspective

    LA Noire is a great example of this, although from the side of the player character: the dialogue was written with the “Doubt” option as “Press” (as in, put pressure on the other party). As a result, a suspect can say something, the player selects “Doubt”, and Phelps goes nuts making wild accusations instead of pointing out an inconsistency.

    Except worse, because in this case, the player says something like “Why didn’t you say something to your boss about feeling sick?” and the game interpreted it as “Accuse them of trying to sabotage the business.”

    memfree,

    Ooooh, I’d like that! Well, there’s 3 parts to the (random user input / scripted game output) conundrum:

    1. I think it is fair that if you ask, ‘Why didn’t you say something?’ the NPC might either respond as if it is being accused of sabotage, answer the damn question, lie, or prefer not to talk about it (it’s personal).
    2. I’d keep a short list of standard options – probably in a collapsed scroller kinda thing so you could either verbally say or type whatever you want, OR you could click an arrow to pick from a list. That way lazy or stuck players wou;dn’t have to think of all the options, and players interested in roleplaying could do as they please.
    3. I’m OK with, “I’m not going to respond to that”. I’d hope each character had several variations of that, but I think it is legitimate for NPCs to dislike being pestered. Shopkeepers might have replies like, “Are you gonna buy something or are you just here to bend my ear?” or “I don’t see how that relates to my inventory.” Random townies might reply, “Do I even know you?” or “Would you PLEASE stop bothering me.” or “You’re harshing my mellow, man. Shhhh… Just chill.”
    webghost0101, do gaming w A Small Steam Game Shows How LLMs Could Kill the Dialogue Tree (re: Verbal Verdict demo)

    I wonder if were gonna start seeing modular specialized game drivers to save space and work.

    We already have shared libraries for gamepad controlles and such. Why not one that handles a large language model , one for raytraced light. Maybe even an image generator for patterns in creative building games.

    These would need to be standardized and able to be further molded, processed , restricted by the actual games.

    Obvious the Triple Ass studios will want you to pay for online services but I legitimately believe there is a future for open source gaming and this could potentially save allot of hair pulling for some nonprofit indie devs.

    dan1101, do gaming w A Small Steam Game Shows How LLMs Could Kill the Dialogue Tree (re: Verbal Verdict demo)

    I think realtime LLM in games will happen, and I like this approach of having it run locally. Not sure why you got the port warning though.

    haui_lemmy, do gaming w Microsoft QA Contractors Say They Were Laid Off for Attempting to Unionize

    Fuck microsoft

    bluszcz, do wolnyinternet w Musk blokuje przejęcie przez the Onion kont Infowars na extwitterze
    @bluszcz@pol.social avatar

    @harcesz fajnie obserwować jak Musk rucha swoich userów

    harcesz,
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    Obawiam się, że przy okazji też masę innych, zupełnie niewinnych ludzi typu rodziny ofiar Sandyhooks.

    lemat_87, do wolnyinternet w Musk blokuje przejęcie przez the Onion kont Infowars na extwitterze
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    absolutna wolność słowa lewakuuuuuu!!!11111111

    Vipsu, do games w Hacker Broke into ‘Path of Exile 2’ Admin Account, Hijacked Wave of Characters
    @Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

    Hopefully GGG will make premium version of the original POE that allows offline play, LAN/P2P or even self hosting.

    Would be nice for game preservation when the original runs out of steam.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Sure would, but I’m going to set my hopes very low for that one. The best way to make this happen would be to only buy and play their competitors that are more future proofed.

    Vipsu,
    @Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

    Personally I’ve only ever played POE solo and I think the game holds very well against many premium ARPG titles. When the game reaches its EOL as live service it would be very wastefull for GGG to just drop the game instead of turning it in to a paid standalone title that people can buy and play for as long as they want.

    PushButton,

    The game is balanced to be played with trading… Oh excuse me, they said: “we don’t balance the game for FFS” instead, but you get the point.

    It’s surely possible, like beating elder ring with a saxophone… Buuuttt, it totally sucks.

    ghostsinthephotograph,

    I finally ditched the early access to play Elden Ring for the first time haha. Realized around the Act III ending that it may not be for me due to the reliance on trading. Feels like I can’t earn my gear or get excited from the drops. To each their own, though.

    Vipsu,
    @Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

    Solo Self-Found (SSF) is a thing in Path of exile and usually creating a standalone version like this requires some modifications to the game anyways for it to even run. For example developers behind Warhammer 40000: Inquisitor patched their game so that it can be played offline and even allows players to access old seasonal content (allows picking season when creating new character).

    kn33, do games w Hacker Broke into ‘Path of Exile 2’ Admin Account, Hijacked Wave of Characters

    It’d be worse if the crypto bros got their way and all that shit was stored on a blockchain where it’s 1000x harder to undo

    PushButton,

    In the case of GGG, it’s the same picture… They do Jack shit in those circumstances…

    Bug, exploit, hack, dup… Fuck all buddy. PoE is a game of chance, a slot machine in disguise…

    So… Better luck next time I guess.

    Dnb, do games w Hacker Broke into ‘Path of Exile 2’ Admin Account, Hijacked Wave of Characters

    It was social engineering.

    They compromised a Steam account via steam support to test its password and because it a linked they gained access and modified about 60 accounts.

    dynks, do wolnyinternet w OpenAI Furious DeepSeek Might Have Stolen All the Data OpenAI Stole From Us [en]
    warm, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    You get what you pay for.
    You buy denuvo, you get denuvo.

    yesman, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game

    Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.

    Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy

    thermal_shock,

    Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.

    CybranM,

    Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably

    newthrowaway20,

    If only buying games actually supported devs anymore. Devs seem to get fired for any reason nowadays.

    Bad game? Fired. Good game? Also fired. Popular game that people loved? Believe it or not, also fired. Develop a game only for the company to change direction and the game gets cancelled? Absolutely fired.

    You’d think these publishers would value talent as much as their intellectual property but they seem to not care anymore for either.

    pycorax,

    Plenty of singleplayer games are from indies, those more or less support the developer.

    Agrivar,

    Any indie devs out there using Denuvo?

    Luffy879,

    Just saying, indie devs just dont have the money and time to use denuvo

    Sebastrion,

    I’m sure most pirates don’t sit here and want a crack for a 10-20€ Indie Game. But a 80€ Game (sometimes even with additional microtransaktions like skins etc.) Yeah I see that.

    GriffinClaw,

    ^ This is me.

    Buddahriffic,

    And you don’t need to wait for indie games, though you might need to be patient about early access quality. But, as long as the dev(s) stick with it, even that can be satisfying to see the game improve from a janky boilerplate mess to wherever it is really headed.

    CybranM,

    I get where you’re coming from and I agree the job security for Devs and the financing of games is fucked. It’s still disingenuous to claim that pirating the game has the same impact as buying.

    thermal_shock,

    I’m not either, I get them on sale later, just pointing out why would they screw over a paying customer with DRM bullshit.

    MummysLittleBloodSlut,

    Only the devs who don’t use Denuvo

    shiroininja,

    Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.

    thermal_shock,

    What VPN and where are you located?

    Couple things you can do, try changing your router DNS to quad9 or open DNS, make sure you’re not using Comcast default DNS servers.

    Try a new VPN provider, I’ve been using Torguard for almost a decade, zero issues, there are discount codes where you can get it for $29/year.

    I have a dedicated desktop for seeding, I upload about 1TB per day on soulseek/nicotine+ and torrents.

    youtu.be/xAo61IaXun8

    shiroininja,

    Thank you, you’re a god among men. I use a pihole for DNS, but I will give Torguard a try because I’ve been thinking of getting rid of private internet access since they went all corporate.

    thermal_shock, (edited )

    Pihole is fine, just make sure it’s not using the Comcast DNS settings. I have a pihole instance also that I use to block ads.

    TheFeatureCreature,
    @TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca avatar

    Buying a game post-launch:

    • Better prices; often on sale.
    • Fixed and patched up.
    • Extra content often included.
    • DRM often removed.

    No brainer, imo.

    Agrivar,

    You forgot a bonus point:

    • Hardware requirements are now easier/cheaper to meet/exceed.
    endeavor,

    Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!

    nailbar,

    Runs out of copies? Is that a thing?

    Damage,

    It’s ironic

    Viking_Hippie,

    Like rain on your wedding day?

    caseyweederman,

    Like something about cutlery

    6nk06,

    Like eating mom’s spaghetti with a spork.

    brbposting,

    Whoever came up with that deserves credit. Entirely lovely and harmless “superstition” as far as I can tell. No one is hoping for rain so they won’t be disappointed, but everyone has that line (“lucky it’s raining on your wedding day“ or whatever) ready just in case.

    I wonder if there are other white lie kinda pro-social quips like that

    Ulrich,
    @Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

    It’s a free ride, but you already paid?

    endeavor,

    not for digital games.

    bitjunkie,

    Cons:

    • maybe multiplayer isn’t very populated if you wait too long
    • ???
    sp3ctr4l,

    Remember when games used to, at least sometimes… do actual internal beta testing to iron out performance bugs and such?

    Now we are all alpha and beta testers, all the time.

    Sometimes even AAA and ‘AAAA’ games release, and then unrelease before the alpha or beta is even done!

    Yeah, patient gaming for me, haven’t preordered or gone into an early access game in almost a decade now…

    Sabin10,

    They also typically go on really good sales right around the time denuvo gets removed.

    missingno, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
    @missingno@fedia.io avatar

    This is why native support still matters. Anything not supported can pull the rug out from under you at any time.

    ImplyingImplications,

    Except for when glibc updates and breaks games with native support (but not the ones running through a compatibility layer). Although that definitely happens way less than devs purposefully pushing changes that break on Linux.

    zurohki,
    Damage,

    Yeah, games through Proton are a bit like containerized apps, you get everything you need to run them in the Proton package.

    deadcream,

    Linux has never been good at running old binaries. It’s always assumed that you are running software compiled for the current version if your distribution, and programs that are not available can be compiled from source (because you obviously use only open source software). For everything else you need to use compatibility layers that provide necessary environment.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not following your argument. You’re perfectly capable of having the rug pulled out from under you with a native Linux build too.

    tacosanonymous, do games w ‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
    @tacosanonymous@lemm.ee avatar

    Looks like sailing is back on the menu, boys!

    ElectroLisa,
    @ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    It’s not, newest Doom has Denuvo

    tacosanonymous,
    @tacosanonymous@lemm.ee avatar

    We’ll get it, comrade.

    RightHandOfIkaros,

    Sailing is back on the menu once Empress decides, I guess? Is Empress still the only one cracking Denuvo, or has the Denuvo Cracking scene changed much in the last 5-10 years? I don’t really keep up with it much.

    bassomitron,

    Empress is barely active anymore, if at all. Look at the last few dozen DRM-enabled games released in the last few years and I don’t think a single one was cracked. There was Dragon’s Dogma 2, but it turned out that was just a leaked pre-launch dev build and its performance was awful (because the game has shit performance that was even worse at launch than it is now).

    MITM0,
    @MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

    Why pirate when you can look for alternatives

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