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silverchase, do games w Quantum mechanics might have the solution to joystick drift
@silverchase@sh.itjust.works avatar

You want us to sell fewer controllers?!

30p87,
@30p87@feddit.org avatar

Also, Hall effect fixes all problems, since decades. Why weren’t they used widely? Because that would cost poor little Nintendo/M$/Sony a few cents more. So they sure as hell won’t implement that new thing.

DacoTaco,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Its not that i disagree with you, they should have used them and its pretty bad ( though a lot can be fixed with some good old wd40 for electronics lol)

However, its not a few cents more. Its way way more. A regular stick is around 1.84 - 2.73 euro a piece depending on how many you order from official components store. A hal sensor stick is often 2-4 euro.

Lets say 150mil switches are sold, each having 2 sticks and its 0.2 more per stick. That gives us the following
150,000,000 * (0.2 * 2)=60mil
60mil difference in cost for the company, at least, for using different sticks. And thats just sticks that come with the console, not separately sold controllers or pro controllers.

Manufacturing cost is very different than just ‘its a few cents more’.

Arcane2077,

Okay, but, they’re already selling a product with a BOM of $20 at most for 70-90 monetary units. They can absolutely afford a few cents less of profit

Burnoutdv,

Nu nu, it would be way more expensive, have you thought about all the not sold controllers with incredible markup due the stick not drifting? I not saying that it is planned obsolescence but it really quacks like a duck

CallateCoyote,
@CallateCoyote@lemmy.world avatar

8bitdo sells a fantastic controller that does everything the Switch Pro controller does besides gyro for $25. It has hall-effect sticks, hall effect triggers and a much better d-pad. It really sickens me how greedy the console manufacturers have gotten with controller prices.

DacoTaco,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Im not saying i disagree, im saying its more complex than “just a few cents”.

Arcane2077, (edited )

I’m disagreeing. It’s really that simple. $60 million fewer dollars from $1 billion in revenue over 8 years (using your numbers here, please correct me if you think it’ll make your case stronger) is still about $1 billion. Any way you cut it, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s just a few cents

SparrowHawk,

Manufacturing also gets cheaper when scaled

CHKMRK,

But this applies to both sticks, so the relative price difference would still stay roughly the same

30p87,
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And a switch costs, MSRP, ~300€/$. So they just got 45,000,000,000, 45 billion dollars. Or, in other words: They could raise the MSRP by 6$. Which would be justified for a then better product.

EddoWagt,

They are never going to sell a product like that for €306 or whatever. They’d probably bump it up to €349 in that case

SharkAttak,
@SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org avatar

If they have the money for frivolous patents and lawsuits to maliciously tank a game better than theirs, I think they can afford better sticks.

mr_jaaay,
@mr_jaaay@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, there are quite a few Hall effect controllers on the market, from what I’ve read they’re quite good…

state_electrician,

Hall effect sensors are crazy expensive. Sony has controllers with them and they’re more than twice as expensive as the normal ones. It’s very unlikely that Sony would set this insane price without a good reason.

30p87,
@30p87@feddit.org avatar

It’s very unlikely that Sony would set this insane price without a good reason.

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sheogorath,

Don’t worry, we’ll find another part that’s going to be broken instead. TBH it already happened to my friend’s Gullikit controller, his shoulder and trigger buttons are already broken, but not his analog stick.

Chewget, do games w Quantum mechanics might have the solution to joystick drift

Pretty sure there’s already a solution

SkunkWorkz,

Read the article. This is an improvement over Hall effect sensors.

CMLVI, do games w Quantum mechanics might have the solution to joystick drift
@CMLVI@lemmy.world avatar

I got a Gulikitt KK3 Max and have really liked it so far. I got one because I got tired of having to resynv my Elite 2 to the PC via Bluetooth (it NEVER saved it as a device, some kinda issue I imagine switching from Xbox connection to BT), and I wanted to try to get out of the Elite 2 swap every 7 months. No complaints so far, other than I can’t monitor battery level. I like the back paddles more too, they are more spaced than the Elite.

Hall effect sticks, swappable ABXY mechanical buttons, and the triggers can be mechanical switch with the trigger stops engaged. Really nifty controller.

Rift5899, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th

Mods in the original ii’s a must-have and enhanced the experience greatly, also in sales you can find the game at 1 euro. I don’t think this remaster is going to sell well

solsangraal, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th

amazing game. bioshock was supposed to surpass it but none of them did imo. prey came close much much later. funny though, how the wrench is pretty much the best weapon in all of them

saltesc,

Unpopular opinion, but I actually didn’t like Bioshock. Loading it up first time it was initially cool and all, but after a while of playing, I realised it lacked or fell short in a lot of areas. Lots of things were “almost there” so overall it was quite annoying to experience. I only completed it because I’d gotten far enough in, may as well.

Kushan,
@Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

Bioshock was a cut down version of the “shock” gameplay - no inventory management, much more linear path, etc.

I remember at the time people complained that it was “dumbed down for console”.

I still enjoyed it though, but I can see why veterans of the genre would feel things are missing or fall short while newcomers would be blown away.

saltesc,

Yeah, that probably it. I got that “This is it?” feeling, while it seemed many others were hailing it as a masterpiece.

solsangraal,

lol i share the unpopular opinion, as well as the downright hated opinion of despising infinite. everyone fell in love with elizabeth while i was thinking “this is the most annoying npc in history.” aside from that the game was meh af

PillowTalk420,
@PillowTalk420@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the arcade-ified evolution of System Shock, IMO.

It has a lot of the same mechanics and ideas; but it’s all an inch deep instead of having any real depth.

As an RPG hybrid, it kinda sucks. As a straight up FPS, with action as the primary feature, compared to the contemporaries at the time is pretty good. Similar to how Fallout 4 sucks ass as an actual RPG, but is a pretty great FPS.

bread, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th
@bread@feddit.nl avatar

I got excited for a second until I realized it’s a remaster. Yeah, I don’t really care at that point.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

System shock 2 is still a spectacular game

Kolanaki, (edited )
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

It’s also very easily modded and there are loads of graphical overhauls for it to choose from that bring it to modern levels of pretty, along with QOL tweaks, bug fixes and good balancing changes. Just remaster it yourself 🤷🏻‍♂️

Kelly, (edited )

That’s a bit like saying you can buy flour and bake bread.

Some people are interested in a product that is immediately ready to use as a simple convenience. Others might be on console that doesn’t offer the origial title or allow mods.

TachyonTele, (edited )

New engines do wonders. Especially for 20+ year old games.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

That comes up every time there is a re-release or a remaster.

If you are content with your setup, cool.

But this is Nightdive. They cook. It is already confirmed to have a subset of the community patch as well as improved visuals and hands and controls. So in terms of “worth it”… it probably is for the vast majority of people even slightly interested in SS2.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Any recommendation for modding guide. I played it back in the day, but to be honest I stopped in one of the earlier levels because it got a bit unnerving.

Mostly looking for HD support, better textures/assets (but ones that jive with the vibe) and balance changes to make it a bit easier.

Coelacanth,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

I’m kind of in the same boat. SS2 will always be there if I wanted to play it, and a remaster isn’t really making me more or less likely to. But a full remake would be very interesting especially since the studio was so successful with the SS1 remake and it turned out so well.

skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah. Their proper remake of SS1 was excellent and I was looking forward to something similar for SS2. Especially a balancing pass on the skills to make some of them not completely useless.

Even remaking SS2 on the engine they used for 1 would have been welcome news, but it’s not clear that they’re doing that either.

SplashJackson, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th

I’m still waiting for the next spritual sequel, Tiddyshock

PancakesCantKillMe, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th

With the lights off and playing alone that game was unnerving. I don’t think I ever finished it.

MurrayL, (edited )

It’s pretty funny how much the tone shifts if you play with the co-op mode they added in a later patch. Suddenly, sci-fi horror turns into Benny Hill in space.

I’m guessing that’s one feature they won’t include in the remaster, haha

RightHandOfIkaros,

Not including the multiplayer mode would be an immense L. I get the game for free since I backed the Remake of the original on Kickstarter, I wouldn’t even install the game if the multiplayer isn’t included.

ZycroNeXuS,
gramie, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th

I’ve probably played through it 5 times, using different skill trees.

SnotFlickerman,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I just want it to still have co-op so I can play with a friend who uses a different skill tree and we can complement our skills.

KeefChief13, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th

Wow finally some gpod fuckin’ news

Kelly, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th

Switch is conspicuously absent from the release platforms.

If I had to guess I would say they are skipping Switch 1 and it will be on Switch 2 when that drops.

TachyonTele,

The first games remaster leans on the heavy side of processing. I wouldn’t be surprised if this one needs even more resources.

Breadhax0r, do games w The Atari 2600 My Play Watch has Pong and Missile Command instead of apps

Welp that was an instant impulse buy…and the fact that it doesn’t have bluetooth or wifi means I can actually wear it at work!

OrionTheElder, do games w The Atari 2600 My Play Watch has Pong and Missile Command instead of apps

This reminds me of the Tetris watch I used to wear to school.

Palpitate9461, do games w The Atari 2600 My Play Watch has Pong and Missile Command instead of apps

That’s awesome. Not $800 awesome, though.

Metostopholes,
@Metostopholes@midwest.social avatar

Good thing it costs $80.

tonytins,
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

Pretty damn cheap smartwatch.

Palpitate9461,

Well then. I should probably spend that on reading lessons, huh?

Megaman_EXE, do gaming w Sony is experimenting with AI-powered PlayStation characters

The only Gane where I thought AI was interesting was the one where you are a vampire, and you had to convince people to let you come into their houses so you could eat them.

Additionally, I could see how it would work for a “Hey you, Pikachu!” Or “seaman” game. But otherwise, I’m fairly reluctant on any kind of AI stuff. It just seems…gross. idk how to describe it but it just makes me uncomfortable

theangriestbird,

i would feel okay about it if the energy cost of AI wasn’t so astronomical. It would be a fun quirk to play an open-world game full of characters that can sort of hold a conversation with you like this. But if we have to boil oceans to do it (and we still do as of this writing), then it just seems beyond frivolous. I love video games, but nothing in a video game is important enough to justify that energy cost.

Megaman_EXE,

That too! Makes very little sense to have a product that messes up as frequently as it does while also being so costly to the environment

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