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B0NK3RS, do games w Microsoft is raising prices on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games worldwide
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

There has always been an inherent value to consoles but if that goes away then I can genuinely see them dying off. Personally I thinks the current gen is a huge disappointment anyway and this news just makes it even more ridiculous.

PP_BOY_,

And you may ask yourself “my god! Where are the games?”

samus12345, (edited )

I’ve always been a console peasant for the convenience of having a dedicated gaming device hooked up to the TV that uses a controller as well as the ability to trade in games when I’m done with them, not to mention consoles are cheaper than comparable PCs. I do have a decent PC, but I find I rarely play through entire games when I have to sit at a desk to do so. With digital games looking like the only game in town in the future and consoles being walled gardens with no other places to buy games for them, that cost advantage will be gone and it will be cheaper in the long run to pay more up front for a PC and get games for less. I got a Steam Deck recently, and it’s been a great showcase for how a PC hooked up to the TV using only a controller can work. I had no idea Steam had such a robust system for remapping controllers and have been able to play games with them that would have been a huge hassle before.

If Sony does away with physical games like Nintendo is come the PS6, I’m definitely switching to PC gaming.

B0NK3RS,
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair PC gaming is a whole different monster to deal with because of the extortionate prices of new hardware and extreme consumerism.

I just want to play games and not be a target for all these companies :/

samus12345,

Considering consoles no longer go down in price and are even getting price hikes, not to mention mid-gen refreshes like the PS4 and PS5 Pro, I’d argue they’re no less susceptible to “extreme consumerism.” PCs do require more effort and research to get what you want at a price that makes sense, that’s true, but you don’t have to have the latest bleeding edge tech for everything, especially if you’re okay with running games at 1080p and 60fps like I am.

The lack of alternative places to buy games for consoles used to be mitigated by the second hand market. Without it, console games are just going to be too damn expensive for me, especially considering they’re nothing more than data. There is no reason they should cost this much other than pure greed.

scops, do games w Microsoft is raising prices on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games worldwide

And the amount of money I spend on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games will be unchanged this year.

duchess, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 is getting 12 new subclasses next week

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  • JustARaccoon,

    what are you mad at? This is bg3, a “rigid computer game”, what does wotc’s physical books have to do with a free update?

    duchess,

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  • JustARaccoon,

    It’s a pre-written balanced set of classes to try out, it’s not a requirement to play d&d and you can also just homebrew your own stuff. I don’t see how shouting at the sky about an optional purchaseable module helps

    duchess,

    ok sry

    prole,

    How is more options a bad thing?

    duchess,

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  • prole,

    Isn’t this a free patch?

    caseofthematts,

    Believe they’re talking about in D&D, the TTRPG itself.

    prole,

    Oh OK. And here I thought I was in a thread about a video game 😉

    caseofthematts,

    It doesn’t make much sense, does it?

    duchess,

    Sorry I rambled

    prole,

    Awe man, you didn’t have to delete your comment… I was just busting your chops, I thought your comment added to the conversation.

    duchess,

    Ratio suggested it was quite upsetting for many people :(

    prole,

    Meh who cares what people think lol

    hibsen,

    Eh, I’d allow it; it’s tangentially related and a complaint about capitalism. Win-win.

    mattc, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 is getting 12 new subclasses next week

    That’s cool, but I hope it doesn’t auto update on my PS5, because I’m still on Act 2 and took a break. Worried this will break my mods again and I’ll have to start over. I think I’m on my third unfinished run at this point.

    davepleasebehave,

    Can you mod on the PS5?

    WhyAUsername_1,

    Wait what?

    Stovetop,

    Not to develop mods, but the PS5 version of the game (and Xbox) supports some mods available from the mod manager that you can also find on PC. I think the console versions of mods require an approval process to make sure they work.

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    yes. i use a mod that adds extra bags for arrows, potions, explosives, books, and the shit you pick up goes there automagically.

    dota__2,

    “automagically”

    beautiful

    Stovetop,

    You can turn auto updates off

    mattc,

    Thanks, I did that and I hope it works. PS5 often updates games even if you have updates turned off. Not sure if that happens with BG3 but I’ll soon find out I guess.

    prole,

    Oh shit good call, I’m in the same boat. I have like 100 hours and I’m still at the end of Act 1. Had to take a break, but it’s a hard game to come back to after a while.

    Slaxis,

    How can you have that much time without having finished act 1? Is it from multiple saves? You can totally clean out everything there is to do in act 1 in about a third of that time.

    prole,

    Some save scumming. A couple of false starts. Once or twice where I played a few hours before realizing that I fucked up several hours prior.

    Yes, I know this is not how the game is meant to be played. No, I do not care.

    Lucky_777, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 is getting 12 new subclasses next week

    Man Ioved BG3 but I’m hard pressed to play again. First run was resist Dark Urge. Is there any other storyline to follow that’s worth another ton of hours?

    SolidShake,

    Dude there’s story line for several playthroughs. Different races, actions, party etc all change the game dialog.

    Suru,

    Honestly, all of the origins storylines are very much worth playing as well. Actually playing as the character adds a lot of depth to the quest lines.

    Lucky_777,

    Karlach playthrough might be pretty fun!

    Lemjukes,
    @Lemjukes@lemm.ee avatar

    “Is only one storyline worth playing out of dozens in a game heralded as one of the best story driven games ever made?”

    Breh.

    Lucky_777,

    Correct, just trying to get a path forward instead of kind of stumbling around. I usually fall into the same routine if you will during runs. Guess I could embrace Dark Urge?.

    teft,
    @teft@lemmy.world avatar

    I have over a thousand hours in BG3 and i still find new stuff sometimes. Far less often now but still. You’ll find plenty of new story in a second or N+1 run.

    Rusty, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 is getting 12 new subclasses next week

    Finally, a drunken master monk.

    Stamau123,

    those kobolds never stood a chance

    whodrankarnoldpalmer, do games w Baldur’s Gate 3 is getting 12 new subclasses next week

    Oh no

    daniskarma, do games w Quantum mechanics might have the solution to joystick drift

    My ps1 controler have not gotten stick drift in… how long now? 30 years?

    Is that a lost technology like in sci-fi books?

    Dasus,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    Idk man.

    29 years ago this came out.

    The traditional controller for PS1 didn’t have joysticks. You needed a DualShock for that, or it’s predecessor the Dual Analog controller.

    But yeah year or two here there, the DualShocks and PS controllers after that were very good controllers.

    But those first decent ones came out more like at the turn of the millennium than halfway through the 90’s as you imply.

    Back then it ps1 without joysticks and from 96 on N64 with extremely shitty joysticks. Gamecube came out in 2001 and Nintendo had clearly learned it’s lesson — to an extent.

    MellowYellow13,

    My original Dualshocks as well as Dualshocks 2 from back in the day still have no stick drift

    Dasus,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    I was stoll using the first wireless one as a BT controller to play switch games last year. The battery gave out imo, otherwise zero issues.

    ieatpwns, do games w Quantum mechanics might have the solution to joystick drift

    Magnets do too

    SkunkWorkz, (edited )

    Did you even read the article? This solution also uses magnets but requires smaller magnets, is more sensitive and the response curve is more linear compared to Hall effect sensors. So it’s more accurate than Hall effect sensors, smaller and uses less power.

    ieatpwns,

    Ahhh you got me

    Just read it but still magnets already do it I’m just saying

    EddoWagt,

    Is accuracy or size even an issue with hall effect sensors? Hall effect sensors can have plenty of resolution and can also be small, the PSVita 1000 had hall effect sensors and those are smaller than the switch joycons

    SkunkWorkz,

    These new type of sensors require less power so that’s the biggest advantage. But them needing smaller magnets probably could mean they can be manufactured cheaper than Hall effect sensors. The increased accuracy and size shrinkage is just a bonus on top.

    silverchase, do games w Quantum mechanics might have the solution to joystick drift
    @silverchase@sh.itjust.works avatar

    You want us to sell fewer controllers?!

    30p87,
    @30p87@feddit.org avatar

    Also, Hall effect fixes all problems, since decades. Why weren’t they used widely? Because that would cost poor little Nintendo/M$/Sony a few cents more. So they sure as hell won’t implement that new thing.

    DacoTaco,
    @DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

    Its not that i disagree with you, they should have used them and its pretty bad ( though a lot can be fixed with some good old wd40 for electronics lol)

    However, its not a few cents more. Its way way more. A regular stick is around 1.84 - 2.73 euro a piece depending on how many you order from official components store. A hal sensor stick is often 2-4 euro.

    Lets say 150mil switches are sold, each having 2 sticks and its 0.2 more per stick. That gives us the following
    150,000,000 * (0.2 * 2)=60mil
    60mil difference in cost for the company, at least, for using different sticks. And thats just sticks that come with the console, not separately sold controllers or pro controllers.

    Manufacturing cost is very different than just ‘its a few cents more’.

    Arcane2077,

    Okay, but, they’re already selling a product with a BOM of $20 at most for 70-90 monetary units. They can absolutely afford a few cents less of profit

    Burnoutdv,

    Nu nu, it would be way more expensive, have you thought about all the not sold controllers with incredible markup due the stick not drifting? I not saying that it is planned obsolescence but it really quacks like a duck

    CallateCoyote,
    @CallateCoyote@lemmy.world avatar

    8bitdo sells a fantastic controller that does everything the Switch Pro controller does besides gyro for $25. It has hall-effect sticks, hall effect triggers and a much better d-pad. It really sickens me how greedy the console manufacturers have gotten with controller prices.

    DacoTaco,
    @DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

    Im not saying i disagree, im saying its more complex than “just a few cents”.

    Arcane2077, (edited )

    I’m disagreeing. It’s really that simple. $60 million fewer dollars from $1 billion in revenue over 8 years (using your numbers here, please correct me if you think it’ll make your case stronger) is still about $1 billion. Any way you cut it, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s just a few cents

    SparrowHawk,

    Manufacturing also gets cheaper when scaled

    CHKMRK,

    But this applies to both sticks, so the relative price difference would still stay roughly the same

    30p87,
    @30p87@feddit.org avatar

    And a switch costs, MSRP, ~300€/$. So they just got 45,000,000,000, 45 billion dollars. Or, in other words: They could raise the MSRP by 6$. Which would be justified for a then better product.

    EddoWagt,

    They are never going to sell a product like that for €306 or whatever. They’d probably bump it up to €349 in that case

    SharkAttak,
    @SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org avatar

    If they have the money for frivolous patents and lawsuits to maliciously tank a game better than theirs, I think they can afford better sticks.

    mr_jaaay,
    @mr_jaaay@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yeah, there are quite a few Hall effect controllers on the market, from what I’ve read they’re quite good…

    state_electrician,

    Hall effect sensors are crazy expensive. Sony has controllers with them and they’re more than twice as expensive as the normal ones. It’s very unlikely that Sony would set this insane price without a good reason.

    30p87,
    @30p87@feddit.org avatar

    It’s very unlikely that Sony would set this insane price without a good reason.

    1000043595

    sheogorath,

    Don’t worry, we’ll find another part that’s going to be broken instead. TBH it already happened to my friend’s Gullikit controller, his shoulder and trigger buttons are already broken, but not his analog stick.

    Chewget, do games w Quantum mechanics might have the solution to joystick drift

    Pretty sure there’s already a solution

    SkunkWorkz,

    Read the article. This is an improvement over Hall effect sensors.

    CMLVI, do games w Quantum mechanics might have the solution to joystick drift
    @CMLVI@lemmy.world avatar

    I got a Gulikitt KK3 Max and have really liked it so far. I got one because I got tired of having to resynv my Elite 2 to the PC via Bluetooth (it NEVER saved it as a device, some kinda issue I imagine switching from Xbox connection to BT), and I wanted to try to get out of the Elite 2 swap every 7 months. No complaints so far, other than I can’t monitor battery level. I like the back paddles more too, they are more spaced than the Elite.

    Hall effect sticks, swappable ABXY mechanical buttons, and the triggers can be mechanical switch with the trigger stops engaged. Really nifty controller.

    Rift5899, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th

    Mods in the original ii’s a must-have and enhanced the experience greatly, also in sales you can find the game at 1 euro. I don’t think this remaster is going to sell well

    solsangraal, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th

    amazing game. bioshock was supposed to surpass it but none of them did imo. prey came close much much later. funny though, how the wrench is pretty much the best weapon in all of them

    saltesc,

    Unpopular opinion, but I actually didn’t like Bioshock. Loading it up first time it was initially cool and all, but after a while of playing, I realised it lacked or fell short in a lot of areas. Lots of things were “almost there” so overall it was quite annoying to experience. I only completed it because I’d gotten far enough in, may as well.

    Kushan,
    @Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

    Bioshock was a cut down version of the “shock” gameplay - no inventory management, much more linear path, etc.

    I remember at the time people complained that it was “dumbed down for console”.

    I still enjoyed it though, but I can see why veterans of the genre would feel things are missing or fall short while newcomers would be blown away.

    saltesc,

    Yeah, that probably it. I got that “This is it?” feeling, while it seemed many others were hailing it as a masterpiece.

    solsangraal,

    lol i share the unpopular opinion, as well as the downright hated opinion of despising infinite. everyone fell in love with elizabeth while i was thinking “this is the most annoying npc in history.” aside from that the game was meh af

    PillowTalk420,
    @PillowTalk420@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s the arcade-ified evolution of System Shock, IMO.

    It has a lot of the same mechanics and ideas; but it’s all an inch deep instead of having any real depth.

    As an RPG hybrid, it kinda sucks. As a straight up FPS, with action as the primary feature, compared to the contemporaries at the time is pretty good. Similar to how Fallout 4 sucks ass as an actual RPG, but is a pretty great FPS.

    bread, do games w The System Shock 2 remaster comes out June 26th
    @bread@feddit.nl avatar

    I got excited for a second until I realized it’s a remaster. Yeah, I don’t really care at that point.

    NuXCOM_90Percent,

    System shock 2 is still a spectacular game

    Kolanaki, (edited )
    @Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

    It’s also very easily modded and there are loads of graphical overhauls for it to choose from that bring it to modern levels of pretty, along with QOL tweaks, bug fixes and good balancing changes. Just remaster it yourself 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Kelly, (edited )

    That’s a bit like saying you can buy flour and bake bread.

    Some people are interested in a product that is immediately ready to use as a simple convenience. Others might be on console that doesn’t offer the origial title or allow mods.

    TachyonTele, (edited )

    New engines do wonders. Especially for 20+ year old games.

    NuXCOM_90Percent,

    That comes up every time there is a re-release or a remaster.

    If you are content with your setup, cool.

    But this is Nightdive. They cook. It is already confirmed to have a subset of the community patch as well as improved visuals and hands and controls. So in terms of “worth it”… it probably is for the vast majority of people even slightly interested in SS2.

    Agent_Karyo,
    @Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

    Any recommendation for modding guide. I played it back in the day, but to be honest I stopped in one of the earlier levels because it got a bit unnerving.

    Mostly looking for HD support, better textures/assets (but ones that jive with the vibe) and balance changes to make it a bit easier.

    Coelacanth,
    @Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

    I’m kind of in the same boat. SS2 will always be there if I wanted to play it, and a remaster isn’t really making me more or less likely to. But a full remake would be very interesting especially since the studio was so successful with the SS1 remake and it turned out so well.

    skulblaka,
    @skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Yeah. Their proper remake of SS1 was excellent and I was looking forward to something similar for SS2. Especially a balancing pass on the skills to make some of them not completely useless.

    Even remaking SS2 on the engine they used for 1 would have been welcome news, but it’s not clear that they’re doing that either.

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