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BromSwolligans, do games w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

That’s rich, from a company that stops making or never makes enough its first-party accessories. Ask anyone interested in getting an Ethernet adapter for Switch, or a first-party Gamecube adapter more than like 8 months after those products launched. Get on Amazon and try to buy an official Switch dock from Nintendo; there is no official outlet for them there, so you’re either buying pre-owned, or a lookalike knockoff, or an explicit knockoff, or something that MIGHT be real but it’s from a weird seller, at a suspiciously low price, with some random text in the item name. Christ, get on Gamestop’s website! They only have refurbs and pre-owned ones. It’s been like this for as long as I can remember. Nintendo cannot be trusted to make their own shit and trying to stop third parties from doing what they won’t is peak anti-consumer behavior. A classic Nintendo Move™.

RazgrizOne,

ask anyone interesting in getting an Ethernet adaptor for switch

Then they had the balls to brag about having a real Ethernet port on the OLED’s dock as if it was some massive innovation and not something standard for the prior ~20 years.

redditor_chatter44, do games w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

Will always be PC gamer forevea

bhamlin, do games w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

Can’t read without a subscription.

Zetta,
ThePantser,

I selected all and copy/paste before it popped up with the subscribe. It’s not perfect and I didn’t do any editing, but it’s readable.

Edit: now that I read it, I guess it’s not all there but TLDR there is encryption between the dock and console that prevents 3rd party docks.

How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

We whipped out a USB-C PD analyzer to test how Nintendo walled its garden this time around. by Sean Hollister Jul 2, 2025, 3:47 PM EDT

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If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may earn a commission. See our ethics statement. Nintendo Switch 2 Photo: Amelia Holowaty Krales / The Verge Sean Hollister Sean Hollister is a senior editor and founding member of The Verge who covers gadgets, games, and toys. He spent 15 years editing the likes of CNET, Gizmodo, and Engadget.

There’s always a reason why universal USB-C ports don’t “just work” like you’d expect. In the early days, it was incompetence or naiveté. Later, manufacturers often cheaped out. But in the case of Nintendo’s Switch 2, it appears to be intentional.

With the Nintendo Switch 2, it should be easy to plug your new, more expensive console into video glasses or TVs when you’re traveling away from home. USB-C makes it so. But Nintendo has intentionally broken the Switch 2’s compatibility with those devices, using a new encryption scheme and some form of dedicated encryption chip, two accessory manufacturers tell The Verge.

I haven’t yet found proof of that encryption chip myself — but when I analyzed the USB-C PD traffic with a Power-Z tester, I could clearly see the new Nintendo Switch not behaving like a good USB citizen should. A third-party Switch dock, plugged into a USB-C PD tester, about to be plugged into the Switch 2. Please forgive the terrible photo. A third-party Switch dock, plugged into a USB-C PD tester, about to be plugged into the Switch 2. Please forgive the terrible photo. Photo: Sean Hollister / The Verge

If you’ve been wondering why there are basically no portable Switch 2 docks on the market, this is the reason. Even Jsaux, the company that built its reputation by beating the Steam Deck dock to market, tells us it’s paused its plans to build a Switch 2 dock because of Nintendo’s actions. It’s not simply because the Switch 2 now requires more voltage, as was previously reported; it’s that Nintendo has made things even more difficult this generation. How docking works

That “U” in USB isn’t always “universal,” but this is generally true: if you plug any USB-C to HDMI adapter, dock, or hub into a USB-C laptop, tablet or handheld that supports USB-C video output, you can expect to see your screen automatically appear on your TV.

The magic is normally possible because of a simple, standardized set of instructions that any manufacturer can follow to make their docking station or hub “talk” to the computer. Subscribe to The Verge to continue reading. More in this stream See all We confirmed Nintendo’s Switch 2 TV dock supports VRR — so why doesn’t it work with Switch 2? Sean HollisterJul 3 12 Can you spot an authentication chip in the Nintendo Switch 2’s dock? Sean HollisterJul 2 9 Obsbot will update its Tiny and Meet webcams for Nintendo Switch 2. Sean HollisterJul 2 More in Report We confirmed Nintendo’s Switch 2 TV dock supports VRR — so why doesn’t it work with Switch 2? We confirmed Nintendo’s Switch 2 TV dock supports VRR — so why doesn’t it work with Switch 2? Sean HollisterJul 3 12 Meet Soham Parekh, the engineer burning through tech by working at three to four startups simultaneously Meet Soham Parekh, the engineer burning through tech by working at three to four startups simultaneously Emma RothJul 3 20 Can the music industry make AI the next Napster? Can the music industry make AI the next Napster? Elizabeth LopattoJul 1 15 ‘We are the media now’ ‘We are the media now’ Mack DeGeurinJun 29 101 Reddit turns 20, and it’s going big on AI Reddit turns 20, and it’s going big on AI Jay PetersJun 28 24 The Nintendo Switch 2 webcam compatibility mystery is solved and updates are on the way The Nintendo Switch 2 webcam compatibility mystery is solved and updates are on the way Sean HollisterJun 26 14 Top Stories An hour ago The American system of democracy has crashed Two hours ago This is not a tattoo robot 2:37 AM EDT The Loop Micro is my new favorite bicycle phone mount Jul 3 Deerhoof did not want its music ‘funding AI battle tech’ — so it ditched Spotify Jul 3 Meet Soham Parekh, the engineer burning through tech by working at three to four startups simultaneously Jul 3 A guide to the best sci-fi streaming this summer


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thann, do games w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

When you pay engineers to make a product worse

any1th3r3, do games w Microsoft’s Forza Motorsport developer hit hard by Xbox cuts

Good grief, I hope all affected people will be able to land on their feet quickly enough.

Microsoft is canceling its new Perfect Dark game that it announced in 2020, according to an internal memo from Xbox president of game content and studios Matt Booty. The company showed off gameplay during the 2024 Xbox Games Showcase, but at the time, didn’t provide a release window for the game.

I’m sure there’ll be more cancellations announced soon enough…

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

at this rate they might as well just cancel xbox.

Quicky,

Pretty sure that's on the cards. My money's on Xbox the brand becoming just Game Pass eventually.

RightHandOfIkaros,

For the sake of people that want PlayStation to be actually affordable, I certainly hope not.

Gerudo, do games w Microsoft’s Forza Motorsport developer hit hard by Xbox cuts

Forza is bread and butter for Microsoft, just like Halo and Gears. They really are shooting themselves in the foot with this. Forza originally got me on Xbox, and to be honest, it is a huge reason I am still on it as my main console.

absquatulate,

It may be, and I feel for Turn10, but they really dropped the ball with the latest motorsport. It only has like a few hundred players on steam, after two years of essentially live service game. Of course the game itself is fine, it’s the “update trickles” and “grind to own” philosophies that are at fault and those were probably decisions also pushed by MS, but here we are. I really hope that Playground doesn’t screw up their next Forza, because rhey might meet the same fate. Then again these days success doesn’t guarantee you’re not getting the axe.

Gerudo,

I totally get what you’re saying, but using steam numbers to judge how active an Xbox game is not fair. Steam isn’t the native player base. It’s far more active on console and still draws solid numbers.
I do agree with the grind being a bit much on the latest, though.

absquatulate,

Yeah, I was just trying to get the point across and didn’t really have other recent metrics. Just checked and it grew to 1k avg users per day after the most recent update and is now 15x less active than FH5, if that paints a more accurate picture.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Halo hasn’t been bread and butter since Bungie developed Reach.

343 has not done Halo any favors, and 343 With A Mustache “Halo Studios” is going to be exactly the same.

prole, do gaming w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

I hate that I’m probably going to buy this for that Donkey Kong game 🫤

Pyro,

Least obsessed Nintendo fan

prole,

It is what it is. I had already accepted that I would probably buy it if/when Mario Odyssey 2 comes out, but then I saw the Nintendo Direct for the Donkey Kong game and it looks fucking dope. I think it’s the same team that did Mario Odyssey.

First party Nintendo games are really the only reason to own a Nintendo console anymore imo, and I could not care less about Pokemon and shit… But I’m a sucker for a good Mario game. The DK game looks like it’s on the scale of a Mario Odyssey or Breath of the Wild.

Pyro,

You do you, but I refuse to support a developer that routinely shits on any project their fans make and stifles emulation for consoles / games that they never plan to sell. Not to mention problems with their hardware and pricing.

In this day and age there are tons of amazing games in every genre, how much are you really missing out on by not playing Nintendo games?

TachyonTele,

Just wait and emulate it next year.

ragebutt, do gaming w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

In another post I wrote on this I encouraged the potential of 3rd party docks eventually happening

Thinking more on that I will say that nintendo probably did this because of third party docks damaging switches. I repaired a bunch of switches and a common issue I would see is a blown up pi3usb chip with often pcb damage leading to pin (iirc) 5. This was caused by cheap/shitty docks feeding too much power or incorrectly negotiating power delivery. It wasnt just like cheap AliExpress docks either, nyko, insignia(best buy), etc actual name brand docks would brick your switch.

Swapping the damaged chip for a good one would make the switch boot and work normally except it would only work in handheld mode. To work in dock mode you’d have to rebuild the damaged trace. Nintendo won’t do this; they would just replace the entire board, so to them this is a very costly repair (though tbf paying a tech labor to replace a chip and rebuild a trace is costly too as it’s much more skilled labor, requires more testing, and has a much higher potential for failure after repair)

That said I still think it’s a users right to use a third party dock if they so choose. Fuck nintendo. Though nyko should be on the hook to buy you a new switch if they design a piece of shit that wrecks your switch

JohnEdwa,

Though nyko should be on the hook to buy you a new switch if they design a piece of shit that wrecks your switch

Nintendo also tried to lock down the Switch 1 docking, and 3rd party manufacturers had to hack together a workarounds. "When Nintendo released the original Switch in 2017, accessory makers similarly had to figure out how to crack Nintendo’s esoteric docking protocols, and some of them (Nyko) allegedly led to damaged handhelds."
I’d more blame that for causing the issues in the first place, if the Switch spoke standard USB-C, then all reputable docks would work with no weird hacks.

ModernRisk, do gaming w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

Sigh, the more I read about Nintendo Switch 2… The more nonsense it becomes.

I actually was curious about the Switch 2 and was wondering about Donkey Kong Bananza. Though, the more I read, the more I hesitate to purchase one later on.

forrgott,

I will only purchase a Switch 2 once somebody comes up with a way to hack it (and assuming any modchip is not unreasonably difficult to install); if that doesn’t happen, fuck it, I’m gonna pass.

byzxor, do gaming w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking
@byzxor@beehaw.org avatar

I mean, the Switch 1 also abused the heck out of the USB-C specification (I can’t find the really good write up anymore unfortunately :( ) Not surprising they would do something similar here. This post suggests it’s not actually that dire

The EU AFAIK only requires that USB-C charging needs to be compliant.

ETA: This is in no way me going in to bat for the big N

onlooker,
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

Ah, fair point. Still, I’m not too jazzed about Nintendo making their own USB standard. They may as well call it just SB, because there’s nothing universal about this.

oneser,

Yeah the requirements are for USB-C power delivery for devices capable of charging @ (if I remember correctly) > 15W.

The requirement was placed in the radio equipment directive of the EU so unlikely they will amend it to add requirements for USB-C cabled data transmission.

commander, do games w Microsoft’s Forza Motorsport developer hit hard by Xbox cuts

Forza Motorsport coming out real mid was a huge surprise. It for so long was solidly competitive with Gran Turismo and then the last one just seems to have disappointed so many

Blaster_M, do games w Microsoft’s Forza Motorsport developer hit hard by Xbox cuts

I like Forza because I can play it on PC, unlike Gran Turismo. Shame.

Quicky, do games w Microsoft’s Forza Motorsport developer hit hard by Xbox cuts

I'm more disappointed to see Perfect Dark getting canned tbh.

leave_it_blank, do games w Remedy is in control | The Verge

I played Control the first time without problems.

The second time my save games got messed up after doing the first mission for the janitor. Seemed my old cloud save games fucked it up. It became a mess.

The third time I deleted every cloud save, and it worked. Then, after ten hours the game crashed. And I lost three missions. And a lot of progress. None of the auto saves fixed it.

Dear Remedy, I have a PC. With a hard drive. I have room for thousands of save games. Let me fucking save my game myself!!

I had good memories of Control, but now my memories consist only of frustration. Why don’t Devs put in a reasonable save system in their games?

Supervisor194,
@Supervisor194@lemmy.world avatar

I had the same complaint about Deathloop. If I’m playing the single-player only version, then why do I have to restart the loop if I suddenly have to quit? And why does the game warn me that I will lose all unsaved progress? You literally can’t save!

leave_it_blank,

God, I hate shit like that! When it makes you wonder if you can quit the game because it’s late for example. Does it save? When did it save last? That’s just asshole design.

I’m playing Prey at the moment, it has quick saves aside of regular manual saving. It’s so comfortable!

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

It’s been a while since I played deathloop but I seem to remember you can only save the game certain times, I think only when you’re in the tunnels and time has passed.

Supervisor194, (edited )
@Supervisor194@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, when you make it back into the tunnels, the game considers it a finished loop and advances to the next day segment, which is sort of like a save point but you can’t save your progress during a loop and come back to it. When you make it back to your “save point” at the tunnel and the day advances, if you hit escape and exit the game, the game is all “Are you sure you want to do this? All unsaved progress will be lost” - as if there were some further action you could take, but there isn’t. It’s like they had a save function in at one point but decided against it, then never fixed the exit verbiage.

FinalRemix,

Can’t you just turn off Cloud Syncing? You can disable it on GoG, at least.

leave_it_blank,

Thanks, but that’s what I did the third time after reading about that problem. I guess it was the crash that time that screwed with the auto saves.

StargazingDog,

Cloud saves? I just played the game a month ago (Steam version) and the game has no native cloud saves. Is this an Epic Store thing?

However, I do have the problem where the game randomly freezes. It seems to be a known issues for years that is still not fixed. :(

leave_it_blank,

Gog, it has cloud saves there. Also I should have written a script to copy the save files every twenty minutes or so in the background. Would have saved me after the crash I guess…

BombOmOm, do games w Netflix is delisting some of its best indie games
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

I’m still confused on why Netflix has any games.

natedog526,
@natedog526@lemmy.world avatar

They are after the currency of the time, your attention. If they have games people like they’ll subscribe to play.

spy,

I just found out Netflix has games. Think I’ll keep not using it.

LandedGentry, (edited )

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  • pugnaciousfarter,

    How’s the sequel? The OG was a unique in its horror. Though I can’t say much for it’s characters I quite enjoyed the vibes.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Netflix getting in on the streamed video games wasn’t all that crazy. I flirted with it initially, as they had a few good Steam titles on there that I was effectively getting handed for free.

    But the marketing approach of jamming “Play this clickbait garbage game, you stupid idiot!” install button into my face every time I visited the site ultimately lead me to cancel my subscription. Like so much else in modern streaming, the website’s admins do not want you to have any control over your front page. The end result is utterly alienating.

    Lost_My_Mind,

    “Play this clickbait garbage game, you stupid idiot!”

    I can tell you’ve worked in marketing. That would be a GREAT slogan!

    BombOmOm,
    @BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

    the website’s admins do not want you to have any control over your front page. The end result is utterly alienating.

    This is one of the biggest things. Back when I would netflix often, I would constantly be annoyed when the ‘continue watching’ dialog was not the first one. Stop moving it around! Now I just watch everything locally. It’s so much nicer.

    There is no reason streaming should be such a pain in the ass, and it amazes me the industry has made basic, paid access to shows a chore. And they wonder why viewership is not great*.

    *Also the writing generally sucks ass and assumes I’m not paying attention. No, seriously, they assume you aren’t paying attention and write shows as such now. It makes so many things unwatchable.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    *Also the writing generally sucks ass and assumes I’m not paying attention.

    I’ve seen the articles dealing with the phenomenon of “Standard Netflix Show” and how it has become so painfully formulaic that it can only be described as background noise.

    Really not a great sign when your premium service is treated like elevator music. But hey, they’ve got a near-trillion dollar valuation, so clearly I’m dumb and their C-levels have earned every penny.

    Zahille7,

    I can’t understand what fucking market research “geniuses” came up with the idea that making streaming less accessible/more annoying was a good idea and would net more profits.

    But then again, the mass general population is fucking dumb

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    But then again, the mass general population is fucking dumb

    That’s a lazy explanation. It neglects that Netflix did have a lot of accumulated goodwill from ease of access and quality content.

    But now its in the enshittification era. All the streaming services are behaving like this. There’s no alternative that doesn’t suck with a comparable library.

    Eranziel,

    Exactly, it’s just regular old enshittification.

    SolidShake,

    Subscribers

    Bubs,
    @Bubs@lemm.ee avatar

    Not a bad idea on paper. The games are not actually on Netflix. You just download an alternate version of the app (with no DLC or iAP), and login to your Netflix account to access the game. Some solid indie games on there.

    That said, I would never in my life pay for Netflix, but my family has it, so ya know, free mobile games when I’m bored.

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