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DeusUmbra, do games w Sony calls Tencent game ‘slavish clone’ of Horizon in new lawsuit

Whaaaat? A Chinese company making a knock-off of another product? You don’t say.

TheOctonaut,

abduct Chinese paper makers, imprison them, steal the technology

sneak into China, impersonate religious figures, hide silkworms on your person, sell to a Roman emperor

sail into China, pretend to be a botanist. Steal tea and grow it in your starving colonies instead of food

“Why don’t China care about western patents and copyright?”

DeusUmbra,

Good ole “what aboutism”

TheOctonaut,

We used to just call that “pointing out hypocrisy” before Americans found a thought terminating phrase for it

MellowYellow13,

Only US is allowed to invade other countries and steal what it wants

DeusUmbra,

No, pointing out hypocrisy would be going “hey, didn’t you also blatantly rip off a popular product? Isn’t it hypocritical for you to criticize them for something you also have done?” What Aboutism is defined as: “the rhetorical practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation, by asking a different but related question, or by raising a different issue altogether. Whataboutism often serves to reduce the perceived plausibility or seriousness of the original accusation or question by suggesting that the person advancing it is hypocritical or that the responder’s misbehavior is not unique or unprecedented.” www.britannica.com/topic/whataboutism

TheOctonaut,

And, as always, it is in the sealion’s power to determine what is the same, and what is “different but related”.

Arf arf arf

DeusUmbra,

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  • TheOctonaut,

    It’s not redirecting the conversation to respond to your statement that whataboutism is when the hypocrisy is “unrelated”. Which conveniently lets you decide what is related or unrelated.

    Do you not consider Russians human?

    DeusUmbra,

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  • abbotsbury,
    @abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

    yikes, cool it with the dehumanization honey, it’s not a good look

    DeusUmbra,

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  • abbotsbury,
    @abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

    Listen to how they talk about Ukrainians

    Oh, they wouldn’t happen to be calling them orks now, would they? That would be terrible.

    Judging an ethnic group by their non-democratic government is prejudice, you are prejudiced. Now please continue to justify your racism like everyone else before you.

    DeusUmbra,

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  • abbotsbury,
    @abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

    sure jan

    makeshiftreaper,

    You’re citing examples from the 6th, 4th, and 18th centuries and arguably the last one isn’t even about intellectual property

    Even ignoring the blatant “what aboutism” if your justification for why it’s ok to steal video game ideas is because some Byzantians were mean to you 1400 years ago just know that nobody is going to take you seriously

    TheOctonaut,

    If you think that historical context doesnt inform culture, you must be an American, in possession of neither.

    DeusUmbra,

    So, you’re saying that it is the Chinese culture to steal from others because they were stolen from? That sounds racist as hell.

    TheOctonaut,

    No, but this might shock you, other countries have different definitions of what theft is. Theft is taking something from someone.

    The funny part being that it is literally enshrined in American law that game mechanics can’t be copyrighted, so its not even in the definition of theft in America either.

    prole,

    I mean… this guy does have a point.

    DeusUmbra,

    Game mechanics can be Patented in the US, just look at the Nemesis system.

    Also, just because a country decides that their definition of a thing is different than everyone else’s, doesn’t make it correct. Just look at Russia, they have so many different forms of lying to justify lying in everyday life, but that doesn’t make corruption OK.

    On top of that, you were the one who defended this fairly blatant plagiarism by pointing to examples of theft.

    CatDogL0ver, (edited )

    What are you talking about? Is this a bot?

    DeusUmbra,

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  • TheOctonaut,

    “Issues with westerners” is an odd choice given that I’m Irish but ok.

    It’s not my job to comfort American fragility. Genocide enablers are fair targets in all situations.

    Goodeye8,

    Genocide enablers are fair targets in all situations.

    So what's your issue with people going after China? After all it's fair game because China is also a genocide enabler.

    TheOctonaut,

    I have no issue with people going after China. I’m not a hexbear/ml stooge. It is possible for two things to be bad. It is possible for something about a bad entity to be neutral or at least unsurprising. Which is how I would describe China’s lack of real interest in engaging with, from their perspective, the global order’s new fad interest in intellectual property rights.

    Goodeye8,

    Then you should've made that argument instead of arguing that it's justified because centuries ago something was stolen from them.

    But I'm not sure how you got the impression China has no interest in engaging with the IP rights when last year they filed more IPs than anyone else in the world.

    TheOctonaut,

    Explained is not the same as justified.

    I would have thought this was obvious but forcing your rivals to abide by their own rules while flouting them yourself is not an endorsement of those rules, it’s a mockery of them.

    Goodeye8,

    Explaining means you actually explain your point instead of throwing out random examples of others doing something similar and then mockingly asking "I wonder why they wouldn't care".

    You also seem to be moving the goal post with every post. You said China doesn't care to engage in IP fad, I showed China absolutely does engage in it. Now you're saying of course they do because they flount the rules themselves. Actually they don't. A few years ago Beijing IP court decided a Chinese artist had to pay around half a million to a Belgian artist for plagiarizing his work. I guess you're about to find another excuse to shift the goal post once again.

    TheOctonaut,

    You think I’m going to shift the goalposts for one example? Ok, yeah that definitely overrules literally decades of behaviour. You win. Here’s your Internet reward for the best argument. ⭐️

    Goodeye8,

    You mean decades of behavior of which you so far haven't presented even a single one. Guess what, one example is better than 0 examples.

    TheOctonaut,

    You want examples of Chinese companies disregarding copyright? Uh.

    www.aliexpress.com? Or, yknow, the actual article we’re commenting on?

    Goodeye8,

    I was expecting something where the Chinese IP courts rule in favor of breaking IP laws or at the very least turn a blind eye. This current article doesn't count because there's no resolution here. As for AliExpress, they have an entire process in place to handle IP infringement and they actually ban sellers off the platform if they continue infringing.

    DeusUmbra,

    So, wait, Namco are Genocide enablers? Since when?

    Also, my guy, I’ve met plenty of Tankies in my life, it’s not uncommon to see a westerner that hates westerners.

    CatDogL0ver,

    So many bots nowadays on Reddit. I won’t be surprised we have bots here

    Megaman_EXE, do gaming w Nintendo’s Zelda movie has found its princess and hero of time [Bo Bragason and Benjamin Evan]

    Live action seems like such a weird choice for this

    tatterdemalion, do gaming w Nintendo’s Zelda movie has found its princess and hero of time [Bo Bragason and Benjamin Evan]
    @tatterdemalion@programming.dev avatar

    Wait is there actually a Zelda movie happening? I feel like I’ve heard of intentions to make a Zelda movie for 20 years.

    redsand, do gaming w Nintendo’s Zelda movie has found its princess and hero of time [Bo Bragason and Benjamin Evan]

    Weirder choices than Mario. She looks like she could take his lunch money.

    Patch,

    That’s pretty lore accurate, though, right?

    Most Links are portrayed as being either kids/teenagers or very young-looking adults, and Zelda is often portrayed as being a more experienced character, still young but often already embroiled in the politics or conflicts that are core to the story’s initial setup. Link usually shows character growth as he rises to the challenge, but Zelda is often a more static character, who starts the story fully fledged.

    I’ve never heard of either actor, but a cursory Google to look at their various photos and I can see them working in the roles. Obviously assuming they can act, too.

    redsand,

    Usually they reincarnate to be about the same age. Zelda does tend to be in leadership because she always reincarnates as the princess but link is always physically much stronger. Also his face is weirdly round for the character but that’s my own artsy opinion based on the main 3D games.

    theangriestbird, do gaming w Nintendo’s Zelda movie has found its princess and hero of time [Bo Bragason and Benjamin Evan]
    @theangriestbird@beehaw.org avatar

    boooo typical nintendo casting L. They could have cast Hunter Schafer, the literal perfect Princess Zelda. I mean… look at her!!!

    https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/00087bd7-59c3-48e9-83d7-19dfd9b4f588.jpeg

    Kit,

    I was crossing my fingers for Hunter Schafer, but the casting they chose looks pretty decent. They’re a bit younger than I expected but I guess it’s lore accurate.

    thingsiplay,

    One should not make the mistake to just judge a single photograph, for a role in a film. Its also important how they move and talk, and what the perception of the person based on existing films is. I’m not in the position to judge about any of these castings or your suggestion, just wanted bring in this point into the discussion.

    Doom,
    @Doom@ttrpg.network avatar

    Y’all are weird as fuck about this casting I don’t like it.

    HappyFrog,

    People have different preferences. It would be nicer to say “I don’t see it, I don’t think she would fit,” instead of “y’all are weird as fuck…” that’s kind of rude and weird to say.

    Doom,
    @Doom@ttrpg.network avatar

    No I think it’s weird. I’m not trying to be nice I’m trying to say this sentiment on the Internet has crossed a line

    t3rmit3,

    How so? What exactly about people proposing this actress do you have a problem with?

    I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt that your intentions are good, but you’re being awfully evasive about what your actual objection is.

    Doom,
    @Doom@ttrpg.network avatar

    look at her

    🤢

    Vodulas,

    I’m going to give coyotino the benefit of the doubt here and say that meant “Look at her, she already looks like Zelda” just based on the previous sentence

    t3rmit3,

    My Spidey sense is tingling hard with this one.

    Vodulas,

    Yeah, mine too

    t3rmit3,

    Is this a criticism of the quote, or a response to it?

    Once again, you’re not actually just stating your issue, and your responses are ambiguous enough that they could be interpreted either as an objection to people treating Hunter Schafer in a way that you perceive as negative, or an objection to Hunter Schafer.

    mienshao, do gaming w All Best Buy stores will have Switch 2 consoles on July 17th

    Genuinely don’t understand why this is being downvoted.

    racketlauncher831,

    Because they hate Nintendo and what Nintendo does recently, and they think of the down vote button as a “I don’t like it” button.

    0li0li,

    Well, to be fair, when the post is essentially an ad for a product people don’t like, the downvote button takes another meaning.

    DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w All Best Buy stores will have Switch 2 consoles on July 17th

    I had a double cheeseburger today

    jordanlund, do gaming w All Best Buy stores will have Switch 2 consoles on July 17th
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    They can keep them.

    hakase, do gaming w All Best Buy stores will have Switch 2 consoles on July 17th

    They can keep them as far as I’m concerned.

    mienshao,

    You already said that on another post. Didn’t make sense the first time.

    30p87, do games w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking
    @30p87@feddit.org avatar

    If I’d play capitalism-bullshit Bingo with any company in the world, it would be extremely boring, because I’d win instantly, all the time.

    Almacca, (edited ) do games w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking
    @Almacca@aussie.zone avatar

    Between their stealing YouTube money from people giving them free advertising and never reducing the price of decades old games, if they make them available at all, and their shitty online experience, I’m amazed Nintendo has any market goodwill left, but reality never ceases to amaze me. Nostalgia is a powerful beast.

    I understand they make some of the most fun games ever, but their legal department cancels that out by an order of magnitude.

    thedbp,

    Pretty much the only major player that still focused on local multiplayer which is very valuable to me…

    the_q, do games w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

    The switch 2 has already become the best selling console of all time. Capitalism always wins no matter how anti consumer a company behaves.

    Almacca,
    @Almacca@aussie.zone avatar

    Also, never underestimate the stupidity of the masses.

    TacoSocks,

    It’s not the best selling console of all time. It had one of the best launches, but the PS2, DS and OG switch sold 160, 154 and 152 million. Switch 2 only has 5 million so far.

    Pendorilan, do games w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

    I bought a Switch last November and couldn’t believe the bullshit Nintendo is pulling. $60 for almost 10 year old games, horrible network adapter on the switch, no voice chat except through a stupid app and it’s not even available in most games. Add to that that the fact that I hate Nintendo’s policies and attitudes towards modding and emulation and consumer protection and I’m never buying another Nintendo console. I’ll go with the Steam Deck and I’ll be selling my Switch in the next couple weeks. Nintendo is an anti-consumer aggressively capitalistic corporation in my opinion.

    FlashMobOfOne, (edited ) do games w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    I know it doesn’t matter, but after all I’ve read about Nintendo and the Switch 2 in the last year?

    Fuck 'em. I’m going to get a Steam Deck or a Lenovo handheld, and I’ll just enjoy the Nintendo products I already have. I’m not spending a small fortune on a console that they can brick remotely, or force me to buy a $50 proprietary charger for, or a “virtual game cartridge”.

    Fuck all of that bullshit.

    belated_frog_pants, do gaming w How Nintendo locked down the Switch 2’s USB-C port and broke third-party docking

    My decision not to bother with it keeps feeling better

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