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mesamunefire, (edited ) do games w Sony is raising all PS5 console prices in the US by $50, starting tomorrow
@mesamunefire@piefed.social avatar

Somehow I think this generation of consoles are going to be suffering.

ThePantser,

They will sell fine everywhere except the US. I don’t even want a switch2 because the bullshit Nintendo did with the virtual carts. God it’s a fucking PITA to even play my first gen switches because I have to be sure both consoles are powered on and connected to the Internet to “activate” the cart that was active on the other.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

They will sell fine everywhere except the US.

Nah, tariffs didn’t help, but there are other economic factors and trends here that have been slowly at work for a very long time.

TheMinions,

FYI there is a fix for the virtual Cart thing.

  1. Go to User Settings.
  2. Scroll down and find Use Online License.
  3. Switch it to ON.
killerscene,

haven’t they already been?

MellowYellow13,

lol only in the US bud

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

The US is the biggest market for all consoles and most AAA games are made there as well. If they suffer there enough, it will affect users of them everywhere eventually.

MellowYellow13,

Yeah it literally wont be the biggest market anymore because of tariffs, the end

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

There’s a good chance I won’t be buying into the next console gen. Too damned expensive now for a walled garden. PC costs more up front, but there are much more affordable options for playing games on them.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Already skipping the Switch 2. Every time there was announcement I was like:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/37405fb1-ff03-405b-a4c4-82f33ab18abc.jpeg

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

Same. Waiting for Metroid Prime 4 to release so I can play it on my hacked Switch, then it’ll be no more new Nintendo games until/unless there’s a viable Switch 2 emulator someday.

C4551E,

probably won’t be that long, honestly. But if it is, I’m fine to wait too.

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

The issue won’t be the tech, since it’s out of date, but defeating whatever security Nintendo baked in as well as managing to avoid their army of lawyers. There is certainly a lot of motivation for hackers to get one up and running, since their games are highly desirable and they’re a pretty hated company by the kinds of game preservationist types that would usually put in the work of making an emulator. I’m figuring it’ll be a while, but if not, great!

Psythik, (edited )

“Going to be”? I feel like this generation already failed at the starting line. I can’t name a single PS5 game I’d want to play that doesn’t already look and run better on my PC. The Switch 2 is running on several generations-old hardware so it’s already a non-starter. And Microsoft screwed up their naming convention so badly that I don’t even know what the latest Xbox is called.

Hell, this console generation is somehow already five years old, and I still don’t know anyone who actually owns one of these systems. Everyone I know is still using their PS4s, XBones, Switches, and gaming laptops with 10, 20, and 30 series Nvidia GPUs. Hell, I haven’t seen any hype for modern console gaming since the XBOX 360/PS3 era. No one cares about owning the latest and greatest gaming system anymore. Everyone’s happy with what they have.

mesamunefire,
@mesamunefire@piefed.social avatar

The only one I know some people have is Switch2 from my friend group. And its mostly mario kart. They stopped playing after a bit so it will be interesting to see what will occur there.

Overall you dont buy the system for the system, usually you buy it for hte games. And like you said....if the games are not there (PS5 games vs say steam/pc) then people are not incentivized to get it.

paultimate14,

I can’t name a single PS5 game I’d want to play that doesn’t already look and run better on my PC

The keyword here is “my”.

It’s not just the console generation that is suffering. PC gaming is dying too. Crypto dealer the first blow, now AI. I’m still running an RX580 that I bought for $180 back in 2019. I was planning on buying a 9700XT at launch this year. Still not a great value- an MSRP of $600. Adjusted for inflation that’s still ~2.6x the price and it’s not going to give me 2.6x the performance. But even then it was impossible to find a card for $600 - even months later the cheapest one on nowinstock is $700, and those are hard to find. That’s JUST the GPU - you still need another grand or more to build a decent PC around it. Even with this price increase, the base PS5 is $550.

I’m not trying to make this a console vs PC thing. They all suck right now. The only good values for gaming is on the fringes. The Steam Deck was an incredible value when it launched, and only looks better today. Other cheap, low-powered solutions like Chinese handhelds and android TV boxes loaded with pirated old ROM’s. Mini-PC’s that are good enough to handle 5-10 year old PC games… At 1080p or less with the settings turned down bit. Maybe an Xbox Series S might be a decent short-term value, especially if you are a person who loves game pass or just wants to play free games like Fortnight.

It’s looking bleak. Not just videogames but everything. Food, medicine, clothing, housing.

Vanilla_PuddinFudge, (edited )
@Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub avatar

Then again, a cpu and gpu from 2018 still plays 90% of the Steam library so… more? Less? Relative.

paultimate14,

I mean, that’s just diving into the classic Console vs PC arguments that have been going on for years. My point is that it’s gotten worse for both. We can argue all day over which is the best way to go in 2025.

What I think we CAN say for sure is that buying any sort of gaming device in 2019 is better than any option in 2025. I’m using 2019 because that was the year I built my PC for $1k total, and that holiday season I bought my PS4 - a slim model that came bundled with Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War, and The Last of Us 2 all for $199.99. Either of those deals blow pretty much anything today out of the water.

I guess profits are up, the PS5 is selling well so far, and it looks like the Switch 2 is tentatively on place to be one of the better-selling units of all time. Maybe the average consumer just doesn’t care about the bang for their buck- they just want the new shiny thing.

Psythik,

Fixed my comment

CatZoomies,
@CatZoomies@lemmy.world avatar

Astro Bot. I’d argue it is a system seller. It’s as wonderful as Mario Odyssey was for the Switch 1, one of the greatest platforming adventure games I’ve ever played, has a breathtaking soundtrack, gorgeous visuals and art style, incredible dynamic controls especially with the PS5 haptics, and a top 10 game for me. I had so much fun playing both Astro Bot (paid) and Astro Bot’s Play Room (free game). This absolutely deserved game of the year, and I’m happy it won. Asobo (developer) showed their full passion and love for gaming in this gem, and to play it is well worth the price of a PS5 in my opinion. It’s that good. And I’ve been a PC and Nintendo gamer for a long time.

I hope it’ll come to PC one day so that others can experience it. PC won’t have the tantalising PS5 haptics that immerse you into the game (the incredible adaptive triggers as you’re climbing, as an example, or walking through grass in that game and feeling the gentle scintillating haptics in the controller), but regardless, it’s a magnificent game that I want everyone to experience. I can’t praise Astro Bot enough, it’s such a gem.

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

PC won’t have the tantalising PS5 haptics that immerse you into the game

It will if you have a PS5 controller. They don’t just work on PS5.

CatZoomies,
@CatZoomies@lemmy.world avatar

Wow thanks! Didn’t know that. I remember reading about it when it first came out and gamers didn’t have much compatibility and could only get standard vibration with Steam input, probably around when the console first came out. I now see there’s full support, and while most devs can use Steam input, there’s a new DSX version for PS5 that claims to support adaptive trigger haptics on Windows. I game on my PC with KBM and an Xbox Series controller though. I don’t know how well PS5 haptics will work on my Linux PC though.

ieatpwns, do games w Sony is raising all PS5 console prices in the US by $50, starting tomorrow

Back in my day console prices would go down after being on the market for a few years

bobs_monkey,

Yeah but back then we weren’t winning™

StaticFalconar,

Back in your day needless tarriffs weren’t a thing.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Um, Aktuky…

President Reagan decided Friday to impose punitive 100% tariffs on a wide variety of goods produced by Japanese electronic giants in retaliation for Tokyo’s failure to abide by the semiconductor trade agreement between the two nations.

In approving a recommendation Thursday by the Administration’s top economic officials, the White House decided to put the tariffs into effect about April 17, less than two weeks before Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone is scheduled to begin a visit to the United States aimed at easing trade frictions.

The tariffs will be targeted to bring in as much as $300 million and designed to punish such firms as NEC Corp., Hitachi Ltd., Fujitsu Ltd., Toshiba Corp. and Oki Corp. by either pricing some of their goods out of the American market or by forcing them to accept substantial losses on U.S. sales.

SpaceNoodle,

Was that not a measured response to a failure to abide by an established agreement?

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Depends on who is telling the story.

Japan / Korea were early instances of US industrial outsourcing. The consequences of the project was an economic boom during late 70s/early 80s in both countries, such that American politicians feared Japan and Korea would return to the world stage as independent regional powers. Reagan’s tariffs, the subsequent opening of Japanese import markets, and the further industrial outsourcing to China, the Philippines, and the rest of the South Pacific labor markets effectively clipped the wings of the Japanese/Korean wage laborer.

You could argue this was part of the “agreement” between Eastern Zaibatsu executives and Western investment banks. But I’d hardly call it a “measured response”. I certainly wouldn’t call it a policy that served the best interests of either Eastern or Western wage labor.

Tja,

So a specific tariff, on specific goods in a specific country, for a specific reason. Really not comparable.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Five years… in the OG days we’d be prepping for the next generation about now.

Then things got weird around the 2008 financial crash. :(

(US dates)

Atari 2600 - 1977
Atari 5200 - 1982
Atari 7800 - 1986
Atari Jaguar - 1993

NES - 1985
SNES - 1990
N64 - 1996
Gamecube - 2001
Wii - 2006
Wii U - 2012
Switch - 2017
Switch 2 - 2025

Sega Master System - 1986
Genesis - 1989
Sega CD - 1992
32X - 1994
Saturn - 1995
Dreamcast - 1999

NEC Turbo Grafx 16 / CD - 1989
NEC Turbo Duo - 1993

Playstation - 1995
PS2 - 2000
PS3 - 2006
PS4 - 2013
PS4 Pro - 2016
PS5 - 2020
PS5 Pro - 2024

Xbox - 2001
Xbox 360 - 2005
Xbox One - 2013
Xbox One X - 2017
Xbox Series X - 2020

HobbitFoot,

I feel like part of it was that the console revisions past 2008 aren’t as big of a deal as they were before. You also had publishers start producing games for multiple generations of consoles at the same time.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Games took way longer to make in the 7th gen and later, so 5 years for a console generation didn’t cut it anymore.

atomicbocks, (edited )

Sega even had an earlier console in 1983 called the SG-1000. It was only released in Japan though.

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’ve owned 15 of the consoles listed. Doesn’t seem like I’ve been through that many of them!

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

24 for me and I still own most of them.

paraphrand,

Node shrinks are not as impactful as they use to be, in that area at least.

ameancow,

Back in my day, we elected scumbags who at least wanted to preserve stability and international trade relations so that at least a balance could be preserved long enough to nudge policy where people broadly wanted it.

dormedas, do games w Sony is raising all PS5 console prices in the US by $50, starting tomorrow

Well, that’s tariffs for you. Completely expected, though a ~10% bump on the PS5 doesn’t adjust for all the tariff increase IIRC.

Hubi,
@Hubi@feddit.org avatar

Pretty sure this is due to the dollar weakening by 10%.

mesamunefire,
@mesamunefire@piefed.social avatar

Both? Probably both.

Rhaedas,
@Rhaedas@fedia.io avatar

Positive feedback from Trump trying to fix an economy he is beyond understanding.

Taldan,

That’s not a particularly realistic explanation

The USD index has weakened by 10% as a whole, but not relative to the JPY. It has held roughly steady against the yen for the past couple years, before which the yen had weakened significantly. USD to JPY is extremely high right now, compared to where it has been over the past 15 years

dormedas,

Pretty sure the dollar weakened by 10% over it being harder to trade with the US.

flandish,

*capitalism for you.

the tariffs are part of the overall system which is designed to exploit folks a few rich owners can profit.

ColeSloth,

Then why did Sony also increase pricing in several other countries?

sculd, do gaming w League of Legends is testing a new WASD control scheme, 16 years inThe WASD controls will launch in public beta first for an ‘extended run.’

Already seeing backlash from the gatekeeping league community. LoL is losing out to newer games partly because of the unintuitive control scheme.

When even Street Fighter is innovating despite the FGC’s reluctance, League needs to evolve or will be slowly left behind.

killingspark, do gaming w League of Legends is testing a new WASD control scheme, 16 years inThe WASD controls will launch in public beta first for an ‘extended run.’

Isn’t that going to make playing ADC way easier? I always had problems with the fast mouse actions involved in positioning and attacking

Segab, do gaming w League of Legends is testing a new WASD control scheme, 16 years inThe WASD controls will launch in public beta first for an ‘extended run.’
@Segab@beehaw.org avatar

Anyone remember Master X Master? It was a MOBA that had WASD controls as its only option, even had a jump (though it was mostly useless), it felt so much more intuitive than spamming click. I don’t think that’ll get me to try LoL again though.

prole, do games w Digital Foundry, the most trusted name in game console analysis, is going independent

Good for them!

I was just thinking recently about how amazing this channel is. They provide such a valuable service, and the space is so much better off with them as a part of it.

SlartyBartFast, do games w Digital Foundry, the most trusted name in game console analysis, is going independent

That’s good, I should get better prices when smelting my scrap metal online now, I’m tired of paying for low quality copper

localhorst,

Ea-Nasir strikes again

SlartyBartFast,

I see you’ve dealt with him in the past

Dremor,
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar
Drbreen, do games w Digital Foundry, the most trusted name in game console analysis, is going independent

Excellent news.

Nico_198X, do games w Digital Foundry, the most trusted name in game console analysis, is going independent
@Nico_198X@europe.pub avatar

Fantastic! Always love their analysis

murmelade,

I’m not into “game journalism” or whatever you’d call these guys. What sets them apart from any old random steam review?

icermiga,

They review graphical quality, not gameplay. They’re very thorough and detailed, and generally very pleasant and positive and fair, and non-sensational and have no emotional manipulation engagement stuff

murmelade,

That actually sounds interesting to my cynical ass. Will check them out, thanks!

Vupware,

Rip Totalbiscuit. Nobody ever filled the void he left.

caut_R, (edited ) do games w Digital Foundry, the most trusted name in game console analysis, is going independent

I remember them coping how it‘s actually good that they‘re owned by IGN now not too long ago lol

Of course this is good and I welcome it

nekusoul,
@nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

I mean, becoming owned by IGN was ultimately a good thing, as the previous owners were apparently preventing DF from going indepent before. At least that’s how I understood it from their announcement video.

PalmTreeIsBestTree,

Weren’t their previous owner EuroGamer?

SomethingBurger,

Yes, but IGN bought EuroGamer.

QuantumStorm, do games w Epic Games just won its antitrust lawsuit against Google again

I’m still confused how Apple won the same lawsuit against Epic that Google lost.

BarHocker, do gaming w Epic just won its Google lawsuit again, and Android may never be the same

Wait, is Epic Games using their Fortnite-Billions for something useful?

masterspace, (edited )

PC Gamers think Epic is the devil incarnate because they paid for exclusive games for the EGS, meanwhile they have spent the majority of their fortune on massive legal fees making a bigger impact in the world of digital anti-trust than virtually anyone else on the planet.

Allowing companies to conglomerate is the single worst thing that prevents capitalism from functioning even a little bit, and tech companies are the worst at falsely claiming that every product needs to be tied to every other product, because they can use software and continuous updates to break any third party compatibility that is created.

Rose,

I think the part about exclusives and other claims is just a way to fight the cognitive dissonance of seeing something good but having spent so much time and money on something else. Always being in attack mode distracts them and others from focusing on the problems of Steam.

Mothra, do gaming w Epic just won its Google lawsuit again, and Android may never be the same
@Mothra@mander.xyz avatar

If you were OOTL and confused af, here is a paragraph that makes it easier to understand:

The consequences of the full permanent injunction would stretch far beyond Epic’s own store and its game Fortnite. They would force Google to effectively open up its app store to competition for three whole years. Google would have to distribute other rival app stores within the Google Play store, too, give rivals access to the full catalog of Google Play apps, and it would be banned from a variety of anticompetitive practices including a requirement that apps use Google Play Billing. You can read a summary of the details here.

masterspace, (edited )

This judge actually fully understand how companies abuse two sided marketplaces and is thus forcing Google to open up both sides of the marketplace to competition. Both forcing Google to host new app stores inside the Play store so that they’re visible to consumers, and forcing Google to allow those app stores to distribute the Google Play apps so that the app stores aren’t crippled by a lack of developers.

This is a way way way bigger win than I could ever have hoped for.

scintilla,

That’s actually fucking crazy for an american judge. Hope it actually happens.

masterspace,

Yeah, it would not surprise me if the Supreme Court blocked it for being too reasonable.

Fredthefishlord,

I’m hoping that supreme court is too tech deaf to even understand the implications this has on corps, and so that they don’t take this ruling back

JackbyDev,

Yeah, remember how big of a stink Internet Explorer on Windows was in the 90s? Imagine if Internet Explorer blocked you from downloading other browsers. That’s basically what Google Play Store has been doing. Why it’s taken this long to get fixed is beyond me, but I’m glad it’s happening.

Hits the griddy with Thanos or something, idk, I don’t play Fortnite.

ryannathans, do gaming w Epic just won its Google lawsuit again, and Android may never be the same

Guys this is huge

ID/age verification for apps is being built so only google signed and integrity verified apps can run, that would prevent any age verified apps running on non-official android OS like graphene.

This will have to change when apps are coming from any random app store and can no longer use these google attestation services

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